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unusual
October 3, 2010 2:13 pm

Wow this was a intimate post.. I’ m enjoying it.. ethical resource

federal funds?
June 14, 2010 11:14 pm

If it is true that the council receives any funds from the government of this nation, which, last I checked, allows we of the “weaker sex” to cast a ballot, someone should file a suit. My goodness… what are we telling our sons and our daughters about their rights, status, and their place in our “living and breathing” religion.

Laaniyas Dayti
June 8, 2010 5:48 pm

To #42. “There are no followers because there is no one to follow….” Well said. Except logically flawed – and in fact proving the point. 1. What would (should) you see in someone that would cause you to follow? 2. Please share the details here. 3. Please keep in mind that if you had the makings of a neshama klalliss lurking in Lubavitch, how would he be placed sociologically among chassidim, where everyone is equal, and a barmitzvah boy, and certainly an 18 year old bochur, can (and does) tell an elder exactly what the Rebe wants from us. How… Read more »

I agree with # 44
June 8, 2010 8:31 am

We need MENTCHEN on the Vaad – Men are easily fooled – if a guy never misses minyan so they think he’s a Tzaddik !! The REAL questions are : How does this person treat his wife and family ? Does he take his sons to shul and pay attention to them ? Does he have a big temper / yaish ? Is he clean in his business dealings ? If woman can’t vote, they should at least “educate” their husbands about who these candidates REALLY are !!

sameoldsameoldsameold!!!!!
June 8, 2010 6:14 am

A better look in the personal lives of these candidates-asking how did they conduct themselves in their minicommunities(personal & family life)? This will be indicative in how they will run the community at large-Of course from a Woman-What normal woman would let their man get involved in this mishagash! Save Us!

Our Rebbe said , "It is up to each one of us"
June 8, 2010 3:12 am

If each one of us helped each other. If we took the time to listen to our neighbors and really made an effort to help each other, our community would begin to support each other and bring unity. Together we are unlimited . We can do it!

t s
June 8, 2010 1:13 am

300 men? looks like 125.

women have their role, which, if they embraced it and knew or learned how to use it would be more powerful than any elected position. smart women make their men think they are smart while influencing all.

you can’t “make” a lubavitcher rebbe.

there are no followers because there is no one to follow

time to take off your training wheels and learn how to ride alone. don’t just talk. do.

woman voting?
June 7, 2010 9:10 pm

we cannot trust woman to vote, they will vote based on their moods. that will not work. they are good at what they do well, thats it

to 23 & 29
June 7, 2010 9:01 pm

with what you say it doesnt sound like youve learned Bassi legani or much chassidus either.u should really take back what u say!!! if the rebbe heard what u guyz are sayin im sure he’ll be hurt.look at what the rebbe is doing for u! and u want a new rebbe??? If you need a new candidate, good luck finding one! even just stam a leader. you see how people respect rabbonim. you know what? check out the tapes in which the rebbe is begging the community to respect authority and rabbonim, and we’ll see your attitude! oh and if… Read more »

b&e
June 7, 2010 8:57 pm

in reality there should be only one vote per family. husband and wife should technically have the same vote. however, if there is no man in the house (widow or divorcee situation) then women should be able to cast a vote. bnos zelofchod pleaded their case for the yerusha and Hashem said Yoffa Dibarta to Moshe Rabeinu. why is this any different?

to 23 and 29
June 7, 2010 8:26 pm

ARE YOU NUTS????????

A DIFFERENT REBBE????

GOD HELP U

to 16
June 7, 2010 7:37 pm

women are not allowed to run according to halacha (see rambam hilchos melachim)

Laaniyas Dayti
June 7, 2010 7:28 pm

To #27.
Yes. Agreed. We should all become the dugma chaya.
Precisely the stratospheric (and thus unattainable) aims that are having kids drop off like flies.
Get real please.

agreed with number one..........and..........
June 7, 2010 6:10 pm

the guys with the funny colerd hats and modern guys that don’t where chassidic garb -black hat black suit white shirt should not be candidate.a shame to the rebbes shchuna!!!!!!!!!!!

#31 from #27
June 7, 2010 5:12 pm

a living model is basics
but picking a new rebbe?
each and everyone has to start being that dugma chaya and not say that some1 else will be it.
unless we start with new rabbonim for the community it wont help.regardless if some like one or the other.

To #24 and anyone who feels the same!
June 7, 2010 4:57 pm

#24- Mr. tatik is a dr. but also known now as mr. T .as he worls in p.s.22 .
he is th best crown heights man i every met.
he learnt all the little tricks from breaking up fights in his school!!!

hes the best!

The women are focused.
June 7, 2010 4:46 pm

There a letter from the Rebbe that actually gives insight into the CH present situation and puts many of the above mentioned issues into prospective. The letter was written in the days around gimmel tamuz -and refers to the parshos of shlach and korach. The Rebbe points out that in both parshos the men were busy in controversy, fighting with or against korach, meraglim.” And where were the women?”, the Rebbe questions. He replies that the women were busy raising a generation who would be entering Eretz Yisroel. While their husbands were busy with politics – they kept focused on… Read more »

Laaniyas Dayti
June 7, 2010 4:00 pm

To #27. 1. No, I am not high. 2. High enough to notice that the Nessiim mentioned in parshas Bamidbar are not the ones mentioned in Shalch and sent as meraglim. Did all the previous die? No. There were 2 levels of Nossi. Look at the words. There were Nessiim al-ha’eda and Nessiim -mitoch-ha’eda. 3. No one questions the Rebbe’s position. He is the last Rebbe of Atzilus and all that goes with that. What people are saying here is that neither they (nor children) are able to connect in the higher worlds of just ruchniyus. (In fact I would… Read more »

Did the Rebbe actually say that women shouldn't vote?
June 7, 2010 3:28 pm

Can someone point me to actual quotes of the Rebbe, explaining why women cannot be allowed to vote for vaad hakohol?

I cannot understand it at all. VHK/ Community council is a SECULAR organization. It receives federal funds. There are many women who work for community council. Why should we not be allowed to choose our representatives? Particularly considering that on the whole, in many respects, women are better educated and informed than the men in this community.

I agree with #23,
June 7, 2010 2:54 pm

We need a leader. The younger generation is growing up without having seen the Rebbe, ZATZA”L. We need to go forward, we can’t live in the past, not for ourselves as much as the future generations.

Who is
June 7, 2010 2:46 pm

the guy who looks like a crown hieghts mafionair

#18
June 7, 2010 2:26 pm

are you high?
theres is only 1 leader!!
the rebbe!!!

the rebe melech hamoshiach is our leader
June 7, 2010 1:41 pm

check out the hayom yom from sunday and act on it (it tells you how to conect to yur leader)

if you will learn about the rebbes leadership and what its baset on (starting form bosi legani and b4) you wont b talking the way u did

women voting?
June 7, 2010 12:26 pm

I’m a woman speaking here and like #2 said and contradicted herself-if the Rebbe wanted women to vote then we would. Lemme ask you, do we really need more cooks to spoil the food??

as for #23 if you can write such a comment u do not belong in ch! The Rebbe institued the vaad hakol as the “board” to lead the community as well as the Rabbonim…like someone else pointed out, we have enough leaders, not enough followers.

if all the “leaders” took their ego out of the equation, we might have some peace!

moderator
June 7, 2010 11:25 am

If not for Dr. Tuvia Tatik as moderator, the meeting would have been a mess.
Great job and thank you very much

The solution is..............
June 7, 2010 11:12 am

We need to go beyond gimmel Tammuz and elect a new leader. Of course, no one can replace the Rebbe but that doesn’t mean we need to be without a leader 16 years now.

women's attendance
June 7, 2010 10:15 am

Unfortunately, for some inexplicable reason, women are discriminated against in Crown Heights and cannot vote. Perhaps they would be more involved if they were not disenfranchised. Women live here too and deserve to have their opinions counted.

#18
June 7, 2010 10:13 am

there is some truth to what you write.

Tamir all the way
June 7, 2010 10:05 am

We need a professional approach. It seems as though many former elected officials made promises and shared goals, yet those dreams were short lived. We need follow through not empty campaign promises. I have spoken with Zaki Tamir at length, he cares for the community and has the ability to boost our funding opportunities and social services.

WHY CANT WOMAN VOTE????
June 7, 2010 9:28 am
Laaniyas Dayti
June 7, 2010 9:21 am

To #11.
It is not true that there are no leaders in Lubavitch. There are tens of thousands of them.
There is a problem: There are no followers. Or very few followers. If there were true followers looking for a leader – there would be a leader.
But tens of thousands “know” exactly what is necessary now (many think we need to leave things alone, and/or MOTS [more of the same].)
However, do not despair. A new Rov is the next communal position to be voted on. Hopefully there will be a list of good choices.

Hats
June 7, 2010 9:17 am

May he who has the silliest hat win. Extra points for funny pocket squares.

Only 4 women?
June 7, 2010 9:15 am

I’m surprised that 4 actually showed up. Let women vote (and run) and they might show some interest.

LOL
June 7, 2010 9:12 am

I totally agree with #8. The only thing is Gadi has lot more to busy himself with than these sort of things.

Hecht
June 7, 2010 8:56 am

I’m voting for Hecht because I love his red Yarmulka!

Completely inaccurate
June 7, 2010 8:50 am

Zacki praised the incumbents. This article has it backwards.

PERPLEXED
June 7, 2010 8:42 am

Since Gimel Tamuz there is no leadership in Lubavitch in general and Crown Heights in specific. With all due respect to both Rabbonim, they don’t have the personality to lead or unite the community. Why do any of candidates place so much faith in them??
We need a dynamic leader that can unite us!!! We need a Reagan!

short memory
June 7, 2010 8:31 am

not only didn’t
Shea Hecht back Dinkins after the riots , but when Joseph Spielman and his vaad hakohol backed Dinkins against Rudy Giuliani, in their first battle for mayor, the Hechts backed Rudy

GO Abba!!!!
June 7, 2010 8:17 am

wohu

Get it straight
June 7, 2010 8:02 am

Contrary to Tamir’s misinformation, there will be ONLY ONE voting place, on Kingston Ave, in 770

useless bunch of village idiots
June 7, 2010 8:00 am

Maybe some people who actually do some good for the Schechuna, like Gadi Hershkopf, should run.

Anything for FREE?
June 7, 2010 7:49 am

I am going to give my vote for the one that PROMISES to give me something for nothing, this is for the vaad hakohol. And as far as the gabaim vote, i give my vote to the one promising to change the recipe of the 770 cholent

hi davening at &pm
June 7, 2010 7:11 am

weird who the dude in the brown hat? what type of message does he send our community? i was wondering if he learned
some jewish law too?

vote for change
June 7, 2010 7:02 am

hackner and hecht – anewcrownheights.com

Obserever
June 7, 2010 5:50 am

I saw only 1 Real potential resident who could actually make any improvements in our neighborhood, unfortunately he was in the crowd. Zalman Chein you’re the real man for the job.

The best candidates
June 7, 2010 3:33 am

Charlie Buttons
Sidney/Shmeel

A woman's point of view (if it is allowed to be printed here!)
June 7, 2010 3:16 am

You wonder why there were only 4 women at this event?! Really?! Perhaps it’s because women in Crown Heights feel disenfranchised, that their opinions are secondary. I’m curious. Is there anywhere else in the United States where women are denied the right to vote? OK so I understand the bylaws and accept any protocol that was endorsed by the Rebbe. Still, why isn’t even my opinion allowed to be legitimately expressed if I have a real concern about the honesty of an individual who is ultimately going to represent me to the world if he wins? Once a candidate is… Read more »

clowns!
June 7, 2010 2:56 am

ch will never get it. only williamsburg knows how 2 help the fellow neighbor just as yourself and not have any personal agendas. in ch u gotta just do what u can for yourself! from tuition for your child to their shiduchim! in lubavitch if you have a connection you will use it for your self only on a rare occasion will you help the next. in satmar you will not even think be4 u help another, from a job to a business hook up!! shame on ch

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