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Should Shluchim Carry Guns

Lubavitch Headquarters is backing a training course by Israel's Counter Terrorism Bureau for Shluchim and bochurim. Full Story

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GUN OWNER
January 25, 2012 4:27 pm

WAKE UP PEOPLE WHAT HAPPENED MUMBAI COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE EVERY JEW A 22.

43 - Discourse addendum
February 18, 2010 12:38 pm

My article, “The Need For Active Self-Defense” can be found at http://tinyurl.com/chabadsecurity as published in the N’shei Chabad Newsletter this past December.
The reporter who wrote this COLlive article mentioned that my rabbi said that I should keep my gun hidden. Of course that is a requirement for any gun owner with a concealed weapons permit. Any weapon has to be readily available since every wasted moment puts innocent lives at greater risk. Frank

careful
February 17, 2010 6:58 am

every self concious person should carry a gun its a dangerous world out there without a gun ur a sitting duck

Discourse
February 16, 2010 3:08 pm

It’s wonderful to have such discourse. As the author of “The Need For Active Self-Defense” published in the December 2009 issue of the N’shei Chabad Newsletter and the ChabadSecurity.net website, I have long thought that Chabad centers would be a lightening rod because of our outreach philosophy. I also agree that there is a need in our centers and special events for martial arts, concealed handguns and shotguns (with the proper ammunition) in addition to other non-leathal weapons. We only get one opportunity to defend ourselves, and B”H we have to stand strong together. I have enjoyed reading all of… Read more »

to 41
February 16, 2010 10:24 am

teenagers farbrang by r dalfin volume 2 or 3 under self defense
stop trying to do everything you can to count on everyone but yourself to protect you [email protected]

to 31
February 16, 2010 5:51 am

what is the source for this ‘fact’ ?

Disdain
February 16, 2010 4:28 am

Jew’s don’t “disdain” weapons any more than they disdain kitchen knives; it all a matter of what they’re used for.

Anshel
February 16, 2010 4:22 am

I am all for self defense. However, a hand gun will do absolutely nothing in case of armed attack. As it has been proved many times a hand gun is not even helpful in case of home burglary, it is recommended to have a shot gun. Not sure about details but it has something to do with sociology and people are not being able to shut hand gun versus shot gone.

So, are we prepared to have shot guns in chabad houses? And if yes, it will take month of ongoing training, not two days.

it's about time!
February 16, 2010 3:29 am

shluchim have every right to protect themselves and families!

Carrying Shliach!!
February 16, 2010 2:27 am

I am a Shliach and I proudly carry my Ruger LCP!! pistol!! it so small its a mechaya.. no one has to ever know .. may we never need to use it!! AMen

http://www.ruger.com/products/lcp/features.html

The Real Joe
February 16, 2010 2:00 am

I am one of the people running [email protected] I just want to make it very clear we have no connection to the JDO and any other org of its kind we are a 100% independent and just want to help people get in contact with top of the line trainers and depending where you live Gun training looking forward to helping feel free to contact us with your Questions

every jew a 22
February 16, 2010 1:37 am
im with elchonon
February 15, 2010 5:47 pm

its not that that the muggings wont be affective because we carry guns, rather if the word gets out that every other jewish home has a gun and alot of jewish men carry around guns…….. the 71st precinct will be out of business so fast that the crown heights branch of dunkon doughnut will lose 95% of their costumers in a month

excellent idea!!
February 15, 2010 5:19 pm

I think that Dick Cheney should give “shiurim” on aiming and proper handling – to ensure that “accidents” don’t happen!

wake up
February 15, 2010 4:41 pm

2009 has been the most anti semitic ear since the holocaust. 2010 has so far been even worse. Accordig to history ts boud to happen again. lets not flock like sheep to the gas chambers this time round!
email [email protected] or go to jewishdefense.org today

Rebbe Rayatz carried a gun!
February 15, 2010 3:45 pm

The Rebbe Rayatz carried a gun. It’s a fact!!

Elchonon
February 15, 2010 3:40 pm

#18,
because im in florida and your in new york.. its VERY hard to get a gun for the house in ny..impossible to get a carry permit.. thats what voting for democrats get’s you.

#19,
Your just spewing typical liberal garbage.. Most armed average citizens I know can shoot better than the cops..it was armed civilians that stopped terror attacks in israel the last 20 years.. and in the USA too..

By mumbai, everyone was dead by the time the army came.. how can you judge ?!?

Every Shliach should have a gun.
February 15, 2010 3:23 pm

Wake up people….Mumbai is just the beginning.
The fact is that Chabad is on the list for terrorists to hit. Recently, last year the Muslim world falsely fabricated that Chabad is responsible for the deaths of Arabs in Gaza. Chabad was accused of financially supporting the Israeli army and Chabad was blamed for the killings of Palestinians in Gaza last year. 770, Montreal Yeshivah, etc. have had threats from Hamas & other extreme groups during the Gaza intifada last year. Make no mistake….we’re not immune.
Every Shliach should have a gun!

Y not
February 15, 2010 2:38 pm

you keep knifes poison car keys and matches at home why not a gun .
In properly trained hands guns save hundreds of life’s every year . I personally have been training in martial arts and firearms use for several years thanks to which I am still around .

remember Dovid hamelech who knew a thing or 2 about Tihilim and Torah was also proficient in the use of the sword shield and bow. if you have any ?s about doing your hishtadlus feel free to email me at [email protected]

themore safe the beter
February 15, 2010 1:34 pm
www.jewishdefense.org
February 15, 2010 1:30 pm

Heres a real website about Jewish Defence http://www.jewishdefense.org

yes
February 15, 2010 1:16 pm
Shilach w/ gun
February 15, 2010 12:40 pm

In my state guns laws make it possible for law abiding citizens to purchase and carry (concealed) arms. I own a pistol although I don’t carry it since I am not adequately trained. Nevertheless, I’d rather know it’s available in my house should the need arise. A fellow shalich with whom I work carries concealed and you’d never know it by looking at him.

proud gun owner!!
February 15, 2010 12:21 pm

what is very common for some shuls in israel is to have a safe/room with an arsenal of tactical weapons and lots of ammo. have a team of as many people willing to get proper training to be ready if anything should ever happen in shul they would all be armed and ready to defend the entire kehila in a matter of seconds. lets see terrorists try to attack shulls with that kind of security!! people should be armed at all times but dont need to be. every shull in america should have this kind of security. we can not… Read more »

!!!
February 15, 2010 11:51 am

i think its imp. 4 shluchim to have a gun there has been too much going on 4 them not to get one!

To #1
February 15, 2010 10:56 am

it is impossible for a normal citizen in NYC to get a gun carry permit w/out major government connections and $$.

The only citizens (not law-enforcement/security) with carry permits in NYC are people who need it for business (like some diamond dealers) and even those business permits come with enormous restrictions.

Your $600 isn’t going to take you too far, I’m afraid.

# 6 Right on Target;
February 15, 2010 10:30 am

No Need For costly Din Torah’s!!!!!!!!!

Whhhattt!
February 15, 2010 9:59 am

carry guns!???!! first, in order for this to be a drop effective it would mean the pistol will have to be loaded the risk of there being an accident of accidental killing is so real that if evrey chabad rabbi carried one its only a matter of time before there is a death by accident. 2. even in Bombay if there was a gun at hand and was able to kill the first attacker (chances of being able to be that ready would mean training to perfection something only a navy seal can master, after all hundreds of police are… Read more »

To #7
February 15, 2010 9:54 am

Why are you able to carry legally but you say I wouldn’t get a license? Is that because I’m not in law enforcement?

Thanks,

signed #1

PS I’d like some tips on getting a license. And i don’t just want one in the house! I really want protection when I go out. Daylight muggings are not unusual any more round here.

comment to 3 and 16
February 15, 2010 9:45 am

chabad shluchim are NOT targets! Jews as a whole are the target today look at the statistics, not even 1% of the anti Semitic violence against jews is on chabad! chabad in mumbai was only hit because that was the central jewish center. if it was hillel or a secular jewish group – the terrorist would have striked too. i have personally spoken to an f.b.i. official and he confirmed this and to comment #3 who said this is “advertising that every chabad house is a target”: did you forget mumbai? even 20 articles about the need for security in… Read more »

Elchonon
February 15, 2010 9:45 am

#12 the hat goes on your head ;.)

#13, and so? Rabbi Dani Cohen in chevron has ke’h 5 boys and 2 guns and they dont touch..

Or you just lock it away..

Its not a matter of being scared
February 15, 2010 9:39 am

To have bitochon in hashem-that He will protect us/help us is more than just believing.

When a person is sick, we daven to Hashem, but we also go to the doctor-we have to do our part

you cannot expect to win the lottery if you dont buy a ticket.

Hence when shluchim are targets, we can daven to Hashem to protect them, but they have to do their part by either learning to use a gun or hiring security.

February 15, 2010 9:27 am

Proud Lubavitcher. NRA member. Gun owner. Trained in self defense. In todays day and age, to not have the above under your belt should be against Halacha. Given all the things happening in the jewish world at large for years, and the current events at Chabad houses around the world, it is imperitive that every Shliach be trained and own a firearm. Just as he is saving jewish souls, so should he be able to save jewish bodies. For further info how to go about any of this email.

cool
February 15, 2010 9:22 am

the applications for shluchim will have risen by 200% by 2011

Dangerous
February 15, 2010 9:13 am

Most Shluchim have young children therefor it is not a good idea to have guns.

Borsalino & Guns
February 15, 2010 8:57 am

Go hand in hand Just ask Elchonon #7

Why Not?
February 15, 2010 8:52 am

Plenty of shluchim here in Israel have guns.
As it says in the gemora in mesechta berochos,”If one comes to kill you,kill him first!!!

scared
February 15, 2010 8:31 am

shluchim r not suppose to be scared of anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My opinion
February 15, 2010 8:30 am

Shluchim – no
mekuravim – yes

a rabbi should not have a weapon – it does not match his image and might undermind his position as a spiritual leader

on the other hand, having a mekurav (member of a chabad house or shul) carry a gun is a must in my opinion

to #3
February 15, 2010 8:27 am

this is real. the most real it can be.

Shluchim in Europe and Israel who would like to join email: [email protected]

Elchonon
February 15, 2010 8:27 am

I carry a gun concealed legally and so do many others in this community.

#1 you’ll never get a carry license in NY

And yes shluchim should carry or at least keep a gun in their shtender

New level
February 15, 2010 8:25 am

Oh great! Now the meshichistim and antis will be armed!!

Chabad NRA member
February 15, 2010 8:23 am

I live in CH. I own a firearm and I’ve taken my kids out to the range numerous times. In fact, I trust my kids with a handgun more than I would trust half of the NYPD!! Everyone who feels that they can safely keep a firearm should get one.

please tell me this purim torah!!
February 15, 2010 7:49 am

this is insane we are now advertising that everey chabad house is a target ,which normal family in the us will come to a chabad house if this needs to be done please do this quietly!!!!

Why not?
February 15, 2010 7:33 am

Many Jews think of guns as “un-Jewish”, but when you think about it, back in Europe, the only reason Jews didn’t carry guns to defend themselves with was because they weren’t allowed to. While I am nervous about having guns because I have children in the house, I am in priciple all for Jews defending themselves. I don’t think we need to get all excited about it and be like collectors who have mini arsenals in their homes – but a discreet handgun with proper safety precautions and training, why not?

Why just Shluchim?
February 15, 2010 7:27 am

I want to carry a gun. I’ve used one. I’m a CH mother. When I’ve got $600 to spare I’ll apply for a license, unless someone wants to sponsor me now.

And yes….Shluchim SHOULD carry.

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