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    Shabbos in the Dark

    From the COLlive Inbox: Friday Night, I come home to a starkly different scene than the peaceful one I had left. My wife is tense and exasperated, our toddler is sweaty and frightened. Our building has lost electricity - yet again. Full Story

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    Oy Vey
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    Oy Vey

    so sad someon should really help thes people

    its ur fault
    Guest
    its ur fault

    u shoulda called 311 after the second time it happened.
    u are an irresponsible husband and parent for not calling 311 after the second time (maybe id grant him a warning but the warning would be after the first time).
    dont blame the landlord, blame urself. business is business and trust me had u called then it wouldnt have happened again.

    im with you..
    Guest
    im with you..

    last summer i was 9 months pregnant and if my fridge was on I couldnt have ac….. we had to find new accomodations which were very costly… the landlords in CH sit in their cushy houses while the people paying them good money are dying of heat…

    what building?
    Guest
    what building?

    is this the building you live in? same story on union…its been crazy!!!

    Agree
    Guest
    Agree

    About time ch landlords act right….its been living hell for me….i could write a book about the treatment i have received from mine….maybe we start a blog where frustrated tenants can vent their rage…and let other people know who not to rent from…

    ch resident
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    ch resident

    i agree. if you have to rent i learnt from experience it is better to rent a floor of a house where the landlord actually lives, like this if there is no electricity etc the landlord also doesnt have and something will get done.

    Dear CH Tenant
    Guest
    Dear CH Tenant

    Today being the first of the month, why don’t you without rent pro rata for the days that the landlord failed to live of to his obligation to provide electricity.

    Thats aweful!!!!!
    Guest
    Thats aweful!!!!!
    311 won't be of help
    Guest
    311 won't be of help

    they will slap a meaningless violation on the landlord who will again temporarily fix it and the violation will be cleared. It sounds like the entire building needs it’s electricity upgraded, a hefty bill for a landlord.

    You need to get together as tenants and work as a group, form a tenant’s coalition. Only then will the landlord take it seriously.

    ouch
    Guest
    ouch

    yikes, it sounds serious this time….

    fully agree
    Guest
    fully agree

    our building goes thru this 3 or 4 times a week,
    its crazy how our landlord gets away with charging us high rent and gets away with giving us 12 yes thats twelve amps of electricity for our three bedroom apartment, which , if you unplug everything else in the apartment might let you have one air conditioner on, (and hoping that some of the neighbors are out of town because when one apartment blows the whole line blows

    sounds familiar
    Guest
    sounds familiar

    that happened to us in the apt on empire so many times. im glad we moved. it was horrid!

    yes!!! call 311
    Guest
    yes!!! call 311

    its happen to me also every second shabbes its not normal and nobody care…and wen i call the super…………………. ignored and no unanswered..thank you for the AMAZING article good luke

    call
    Guest
    call

    yes you should call 311, the health department and everyone else that you can. These landlords are unbelivable they are getting their exoribant rent paid on time and we aren’t getting decent apartments for it.

    call 311
    Guest
    call 311

    that’s what they are there for.

    Wow sounds like Ukraine
    Guest
    Wow sounds like Ukraine

    Wow this sounds like Ukraine where our electricity goes out every 2 hour for 2 hour in the winters.
    Wish you all the best luck and it might be time to call 311 although I don’t know how much they will help.
    Hatzlacha

    To exasperated
    Guest
    To exasperated

    I am in no way minimizing your situation, but want to suggest something for your baby. Buy a few thermos bottles, so that when/if it happens again, immedietely put some hot water into one, and milk into another, or whatever your baby needs to have his bottle. In best case (no more outages), you will have these thermoses for your next (planned) picnic. Good luck.

    with you
    Guest
    with you

    its the same story in our building – and when its not the electricity, its the elevator. not the elevator? its no hot water. there’s always something.
    311 doesn’t help but we call anyway. maybe they will slap on enough fines that the landlord will get annoyed and actually do something.
    yeah, right.
    i hate crown heights abuse.

    I had a similar experience last week
    Guest
    I had a similar experience last week

    The electricity went off and at the same time I got the worst stomach ache ever. So I had to contend with passing out from sweltering heat, and the most excruciating stomach ache pains simultaneously. In my case too the superintendent was AWOL and nowhere to be found. It wasn’t fun and I almost ended up in the hospital. It’s obscene.

    move
    Guest
    move

    move out. its sad, but you can people who are do not posses human caring feelings! so move out and be happier elsewhere. cant you also call the code department. get your landlord fined (annonymosly) bc the building that looses power so often might have electrical issues. thus can be unsafe for your family.. best result..move out.

    hello community council?
    Guest
    hello community council?

    i think there needs to be a panel in community council that overlooks these abusive landlords! 311 doesn’t help anyway

    sounds unbearable mamash
    Guest
    sounds unbearable mamash

    not human to live like this
    seriously!!

    dont pay
    Guest
    dont pay

    don’t pay rent this coming month.

    311
    Guest
    311

    By all means, you must call 311. And then a lawyer, to write a strongly worded letter, that’s how you start. And in the meantime, start looking for a new apt.

    So move out
    Guest
    So move out

    Do you know the expense of rewiring a building? You guys are using way to much electricity. This Shabbos evening it was nice and cool, absolutely no reason to use the AC. You dont pay your rent, but money for the AC you have??
    A CHUTZPAH!

    If you cant take the heat
    Guest
    If you cant take the heat

    MOVE OUT!

    Tachliss
    Guest
    Tachliss

    Take him to a din-torah immediately. Make a claim for damages also.
    If that doesn’t work, for whatever, ask the BD for permission to report to authorities and sue for damages (plus costs.)

    Turn the heat on him.

    to #2
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    to #2

    Are you some all knowing NYCer? Have you experienced this? I know someone who is going through something similar.. every shabbos this summer, the fuse would blow. They called 311 after the first shabbos. It’s still happening.

    CH- WAKE UP!
    Guest
    CH- WAKE UP!

    Consider this fact:
    70 percent of Crown Heights (renters) work all week to pay 5 percent of Crown Height (landlords).
    Until that changes, you will have abusive landlords.

    To #25 - from a victim
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    To #25 - from a victim

    I live in the building this happened to – WE DID NOT HAVE A SINGLE AC RUNNING when it blew at 9:30!!! And please do not cry about rewiring the buillding – if you’re the landlord that’s part of your responsibility, hands down. And YES – we have money and gladly pay for things that do what they’re intended to do. We pay our AC bill when we run our AC, we pay our rent when we live in our apt – we clearly cannot afford to pay our rent when we’re forced to live elsewhere and need to repurchase… Read more »

    To #26
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    To #26

    Sure I’ll move – when the landlord gives me a check for moving expenses. I did not sign a lease on no electricity – if the landlord broke the agreement, he’s absolutely responsible for necessary compensation such as being required to move out. Let’s think logically please, thanks.

     re:electrical outages
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    re:electrical outages

    Perhaps this comment should more accurately be entitled “Electrical Outrages.” The writer who so well describes the aggravating results of the electrical outages his family is experiencing is right. Rents in our community have long ago caught up with those of other Jewish communities where there is old housing. There is no excuse for CH landlords not to dig into their profits and beef up the electric wiring in their multiple dwelling houses. If they feel it isn’t worth their while to own these houses, there are surely others who are willing to make a smaller profit on them and… Read more »

    to #5
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    to #5

    you are right – not so much for venting but moreso so that others will know whom not to rent from and avoid the hassle of moving later… Most importantly, this might hopefully motivate landlords to be more proactive about tenant issues knowing they will be documented for all…

    To the Author
    Guest
    To the Author

    You have an effective and legal means of causing your landlord to fix the electricity: don’t pay rent. If you read your apartment lease, you should probably see a section that says that landlord has the obligation to provide electricity to the tenant’s apartment. If you don’t see it, you as a tenant still have the right by law to receive the delivery of electricity from the landlord. Since the landlord has not kept with his obligations, you do not have an obligation to the landlord. You do not need to pay rent. If you withhold rent and cut into… Read more »

    not an isolated story
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    not an isolated story

    I work with a family with more than 3 special needs children. They pay rent and they are terrorized by a landlord who doesn’t take care of violations in their apt.-now refrig is out-there is no recourse-WHERE IS ZAKY TAMIR-and the VAAD HAKOL-Take care of your people-this house is a multiple dwelling on Eastern Pkwy -SHAME SHAME

    ch resident
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    ch resident

    1) if you don’t like something in a building move out 2) call the landlord to a din torah This does not sound like it but there are tenants who will look for any excuse to deduct rent. I think that if a landlord does not fix the problem you can call him to a din torah. Only if the rav says to deduct rent, do so. There are people who will end up deducting so much rent for so nothing, even if the owner is working hard to fix the problem i.e. calling electricians, plumbers, carpenters, and until the… Read more »

    M Greenberg
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    M Greenberg

    I think the first step is to post on this site, the addresses of the buildings where this is happening, and the names of the landlords. and the dates that this occured. the second step is for all of the tenant to collectively only pay half of the rent each month untill the issue is resolved. thirdly, I would take it to court immediately. no one listens to rabbanim or beis dins these days. If you want result. File this in court. otherwise, find another place to live. There is no chance that landlords who havent had the decency to… Read more »

    i live in the best buiding
    Guest
    i live in the best buiding

    Everyone come to 763 eastern parkway we don’t have these problem here
    thanks to new management we have the best building in the best location

    Idiots. Move Out.
    Guest
    Idiots. Move Out.

    Instead of blaming the landlords, blame yourselves. A bunch of idiots willingly subjecting themselves to pain and torture by living in Crown Heights. Move out! It’s better for your health, your finances, your Sholom Bayis, your judaism, your children’s chinuch

    I agree
    Guest
    I agree

    I agree post the names of the landlords who are continuing this shameful behavior.

    Also, please let the public know which buildings these are so they dont rent there and run into these issues. Help out your fellow lubatchers, dont let unsuspecting people fall into this crazy situation. Please tell us which buildings these are.

    why do you live in ch?
    Guest
    why do you live in ch?

    move to a normal community, where rent is cheaper. apartments are nicer, chinuch is better, community is warmer, and you can get the same government benefits if you need them.
    why stay in cramped tiny out of date apartments???

    COLlive protects the community...
    Guest
    COLlive protects the community...

    As a victim living in the particular building mentioned in this article, i did include the address of my building in my comment and COLlive removed it, I assume as a courtesy to protect the landlord. I respect their decision although I’m not sure I personally agree – it will only be of benefit to achieve the result we all want: paying our rent and receiving electricity.

    Need practical solutions but not Messira
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    Need practical solutions but not Messira

    We are living in times when we see our fellow yidden and Lubavitchers R”L charged…which can lead to along chain of undesirable events because of Messira.
    Landloards please take responsibility!! Please do not advantage of us!
    lastly overworked overheated old wiring can lead to electrical fire. Action must be taken to prevent tragedy and ensure safety immediately.

    calling 311 is proof of your claim
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    calling 311 is proof of your claim

    you MUST call 311 if you want to prove your claims either in court, din torah or even to your landlord should he try to evict you or not renew your contract for complaining and causing him problems. if you dont call 311 there is no proof of any of your claims and then you might suffer even more. calling 311 may not get your electricity back on right away but it will help legitimize your case.

    Take Action NOW
    Guest
    Take Action NOW

    1. Call 311, and every city agency. RIGHT AWAY. As a Rav told me that since the landlords don’t listen to the Beis Din anyways, you don’t need to go through this step before notifying the city about these problems.

    2. Don’t pay your rent. Explain to the Judge that without electricity, you are not living in livable conditions.

    3. Post the addresses of the buildings so we know not to move there or in the buildings managed by the same people.

    #39
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    #39

    huh?

    Switch boxes instead of Fuse boxes
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    Switch boxes instead of Fuse boxes

    I remember living in a fisher building in 742 montgomery st where this was a problem. They installed switch boxes instead of the old fuse boxes. This enabled us to switch the electricity back on from within our apartment without having to go to the super each time. I don’t believe this job is so expensive. The electrician did it within 3 hrs. Most buildings have their own electrician on salary anyways. In addition, I think there is a law about how many amps a landlord is required to provide to each apartment. The commenter above that says they only… Read more »

    landlord who say we don't fiz nothin'
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    landlord who say we don't fiz nothin'

    we lived in a private house and the next-door neighbor said that she smell gas.do you know how many people cannot smell anything,l thought it was a dead mouse,she said it 3 times,how hard is it to call the gas company or a plumber, the old saying,think good and it will be good, the wife says it’s my husband responsibly,did nothing,but when we called the gas company,turn it off,they wanted to murder us,we were sick non-stop for years,it never dawn on us to check on the gas as both, my husband grew up in homes that our parents took care… Read more »

    To #31
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    To #31

    Your lease does not specify an electricity or an amount of electricity.

    This is an important conversation
    Guest
    This is an important conversation

    it’s interesting to see that just about everyone here agree’s with the author, this is not usual for op-eds. I’ll admit that before I read the whole article and saw how this was a recurring issue that has been neglected I thought that the author shouldn’t make a big deal about a power outage. It made me think of this cute clip I’d seen that I’ll post on bottom. After seeing that it happened over and over again I agree with all the commentators. I think that anyone in this situation should: a) Make an accurate calculation of the losses… Read more »

    moving out
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    moving out

    moving out aint scaring the landlords. people dont know about these issues. i have a brand new huge apt with few amps. believe me if i move out they will find someone to take over in a jiffy

    ch resident
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    ch resident

    How about addressing the issue of tenants who do not pay rent.? I think there should be a list of these tenants on line so that (A) they will get embarrassed and pay rent or (B) if they really can not pay maybe the community can help them as they need help or (C) their mashpia or rav can explain to them that this is stealing and not what frum people do or (D) at least everyone will know who they are and not do a shidduch, trust in business, give a loan to etc. to these type of people.… Read more »

    to # 36
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    to # 36

    You hit it on the head. There are people who do not pay rent but have money for vacation, for new cloths and sheitels, for luxury cars and other luxuries. There is a warped mentality between certain types of people in the community who think that everything is coming to them even free rent. And it does not matter who gets hurt on the way. Do they really believe that there is no cheshbon in life? That they will not get to enjoy the money that they literally “stole” from the landlord. These people should be educated on the obligations… Read more »

    LANDLORD SADISM
    Guest
    LANDLORD SADISM

    whoever you are that is suffering this indignaty. i must compliment you. in two words; you’re crazy!!! if a landlord can see fit to do this more than once in the summer when it’s murderously hot than you should have dialed 311 after the first or for sure the second time, by not doing at least that you are telling him he can keep on doing it.

    To #53 & #36
    Guest
    To #53 & #36

    Let’s not warp this honest article – this is clearly not the case – the author is not asking not to pay rent nor is anyone suggesting to find excuses not to pay – we all want electricity, tha’s all. And unfortunately withholding money may be the only language landlors speak at this point.

    MOSHIACH!!!!!
    Guest
    MOSHIACH!!!!!

    we should ask for moshiach the same way that we ask for electricity…

    The Right Way
    Guest
    The Right Way

    I am shocked so many of you have said that the rabbonim say noone listens to them and you are allowed to go to court. 1. Each case is different , no two cases are the same and the rov needs to listen to two sides before he can say go to court. 2. I f people in ch don’t respect the rabbonim for what ever sad reason they should find different rabbonim. there is no grand heter that you are allowed to go to court it is USSOR, USSOR ,NO EXCUSES!!!!!!! We have a shulchan aruch and Da’as Torah… Read more »

    To # 41
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    To # 41

    Which community are you referring to ?.

    con't from # 48
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    con't from # 48

    l forgot to add that yes we did say quite a few times about the problem to the land lord and they simply disregard what ever we said and yes we were paying rent,the first one only loss 3,000 awhile we lost 50,000. everyone kept telling us to move but where,you have to pay the rent and we were not on sec 8 either and there really wasn’t any where to move,later l’d find out that we could have gotten help from ohel. another thing l wish to bring up is chimmy liners,how vital this is for your health unless… Read more »

    SHOCKED
    Guest
    SHOCKED

    #who ever blames the tennants telling them to move out.
    not everyone has money to just move out like that! if you have the money good for you but think about other situtations that are definetly different than yours before you write

    chaya stern
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    chaya stern

    I have never heard of an issue being properly resolved by beis din. All I ever hear is that people ignore the summons to beis din, or ignore the verdict given by beis din. Why go to a court that is ignored by most people??!!! How will that be effective???

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