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June 15, 2013 11:28 pm

Putin is a KGB guy, we need to be careful with him, im sure its not over, but in the mean time the jews in russia have to be on Putins good side in order to live there safely, they cant mess up with him, maybe in 3 years when a new president will be elected, they can try to transfer it to usa, but for now at least its a step forward! Shluchim in Russia youre doing a great job! Hatslacha! and be safe!

confrontation with russian gov,t
June 14, 2013 4:38 pm

I would like RABBI LEVIN to state clearly whether he or any other LUBAVITCHER AASKON had a clear directive from the REBBE to start a legal battle -CONFRONTATION with the RUSSIAN GOV,T ??(regarding the SEFORIM with all the repercussions evolving from it)

Boruch Nissim Hoffinger HaKohaine... BS"D
June 14, 2013 1:56 pm

# 3
So, I steal your precious oil paintings, then build a museum or art gallery next to your house, and let you view them.
This OK with you?
Speak truth, with honesty and certainty and EVERYONE will respect you.

Boruch Nissim Hoffinger HaKohaine... BS"D
June 14, 2013 1:53 pm

# 21 very smart answer.

# 28 et. al. Boruch Nissim
June 14, 2013 1:51 pm

Wrong…declaring the truth, in an honest and forthright manner, will produce good results.
Pandering, flattering falsely, will only strengthen the ‘kelopot’ and leave you with more difficulties.
Jewish history is replete with such examples.

Boruch Nissim
June 14, 2013 1:48 pm

“The office of Agudas Chasidei Chabad said the above statement was not written on their behalf, as they have not made one. ”
The law firm was truthful and courageous, aligning themselves with ‘The Rebbe, MH”M”
‘Aguch’ is ‘running scared.’
(You can bet, when it comes to Russia’s self-interest, in other areas, they are very loud and vocal.)

To #10. Kindly do not change the order of the Rebbe's words.
June 14, 2013 12:48 pm

First the Rebbe said ‘No’. When asked a second time, the Rebbe said go ask askanim and Rabbonim. Why was the rebbe’s first answer not acceptable to those who thought it fit to pressure the Rebbe on the issue after receiving a short clear cut reply? Did you ever Mr # 10 see the sicha of Shlach 5710 where the Rebbe writes lo leshanos es haseder? [not to change the order] of priorities of the words of our Rabbeim?

To bring clarity to all those confused
June 14, 2013 12:40 pm

by our compromisers on this site, we hereby translate the words spoken by The Rebbe MHM publically on 5 Teves 5752:
“At this time there is a group of sforim together with hand written documents with these sforim that are awaiting their release from captivity that they be returned to their truthful owner who is the Nosi of the generation, my father-in-law, to be returned to his 4 cubits, which are one with the four cubits of the Beis haknesses, and house of learning and house of good deeds [especially house of kindness], Beis Rabbeinu Seb’bovel [770]”.

June 14, 2013 12:40 pm

I thought the books all get scanned before being transferred to the museum. So long as the scanned images are made available on a public website for no cost, and I do not know what the arrangements are about the scans, we can at least learn the seforim and catalog them. A full and accurate catalog is a huge deal. The scans are an even more huge deal.

To bring clarity to all those confused by
June 14, 2013 12:31 pm

the compromisers on this site, we hereby translate the words spoken by The Rebbe publicly on 5 Teves 5752:
“At this time there is a group of sforim together with hand written documents with these sforim that are awaiting their release from captivity to be returned to their truthful owner who is the leader of the generation my father-in-law, to be returned to his 4 cubits, which are the four cubits of the House of prayer, house of learning and house of good deeds [especially house of kindness], to Beis Rabbeinu Seb’bovel [770]”.

הרבי השיב : כעצת עסקני ורבני אנ״ש המבינים בזה. אזכיר עה״צ.
June 14, 2013 10:34 am

Can someone approach berel levin and ask him the folowing questions?
1) how did aguch understand the answer at the time?
2) Who are the askanim and rabbanim they spoke to at the time?
3) what was their answer?

Chaim Ber
June 14, 2013 10:23 am

The Seforim Saga is a metaphor, Chabad is in its own unique Golus, our post Gimmel Tammuz world.
I f the Rebbe was here Lazar would not have agreed to this arrangement, however in the present circumstances, he is caught, Chabad in Russia needs Putin’s support
Only time will tell , we need to wait to see what the next move will be.

Solomonic decision
June 14, 2013 5:47 am

Lazar chose his words carefully. This is indeed a Solomonic decision — we are being offered half a child. And remember who won that case — the one who rejected the compromise, not the one who accepted it.

Regarding Rebbe Rayatz Letter
June 14, 2013 3:31 am

There is a Letter from Rebbe Rayatz to Soviet government regarding this archive, it is now part of the museum , its photograph is published in various Russian Chabad Internet sources. From this letter it is clear that Rebbe Rayatz was ready to go to any compromise to get any part of the library. I know that you will say that was different time. To which I will say – now is also different time.

Who is Chabad?
June 14, 2013 3:02 am

At this point entering the 20th year since Gimel Tammuz what really makes New York more Chabad then Russia? We don’t have a live Rebbe at either location, we are sort of like after the Tzemach Tzedek I am sure alot of his sons got some of his Sefarim.

The Rebbe speaks about the books
June 14, 2013 2:52 am
June 14, 2013 2:46 am

So we have a Bal mesiras Nefesh R’ Kogen saying one thing and a PAID non Lubavitch lawyer saying something else… I think I know whom I hold with…

a famous Rebbe's position
June 14, 2013 2:31 am

There is a famous Rebbe’s position that Russia is useless and harmful to press, but it is possible to agree on silent. From these considerations, the Rebbe at the time opposed the demonstrations in defense of the Jews of Russia, etc. (in detail – in the book of the Rebbe and the Mossad.) In this context, the Aguh actions are at least strange

no need to make this too complicated
June 14, 2013 12:03 am

Let’s see what happens with the US judgement and the $50k a day fine. If Lubavitch drops the case it means we accept Putin’s decision wholeheartedly. If the fine remains in place and grows by the day and Putin needs to worry about ‘Russian Treasures’ being confiscated if they are on loan to the US, we know that Chabad has not given up on the Seforim returning to its rightfull owners. As long as Rabbi Lazaar cannot make the desicion to move the seforim to where sees fit, the seforim cannot be said to be in Chabad ownership.

Sruly C
June 13, 2013 11:44 pm

Rabbi Lazar is a HUGE HERO,

Who would have ever imagined that Putin would even go this far.
It’s all a Ruchniyos Gzayra that the Seforim were not sent to NY years back, why should Russian Goyim want the holy books of Chabad rebbes.

To #15
June 13, 2013 11:28 pm

Here you go: ——- Answer from the Rebbe about plans for a library in Moscow Tuesday afternoon, 16 Shevat, Library I wrote a letter about the seforim, and the Rebbe answered this afternoon: Dear R. Yehudah Leib ‘שי Groner, Greetings and blessings! Following up on our discussion, I am acting according to your suggestion and writing the question which is currently relevant: We now stand at a crossroads, and must decide whether to turn to the right or to the left. To us, the members of the delegation, the situation is not at all clear, and there are differences of… Read more »

Laaniyas Dayti
June 13, 2013 11:02 pm

1) Possession is 90% of the law. In Torah, a muchzak, and hamotzi mechveiro, are strong positions. 2) Does anyone really think that the Russians care enough to remember all this, in years down the track? After Putin. Right ow it is a matter of honor, and they didn’t want to surrender completely. In the future there will be no honor lost by bringing them to aguch location in NY. 3) There is an inyan in having the seforim where they will be used for Torah and not just scholarly research. This alone is a pidyon shvuyim. Would anyone protest… Read more »

Too much to lose
June 13, 2013 10:30 pm

During the lifetime of the Rebbe Chabad did not have a chief Rabbi who was able to influence the lives of so many Yidden.Starting up now with Putin jeopardizes the Yiddeshkeit of untold numbers of Jews.
To believe that the Rebbe would now want the chief Rabbi fighting Putin is beyond insane

my take...
June 13, 2013 9:55 pm

perhaps if we all start learning the Rebbe’s Sichos, especially those connected with the Geula, as per the Rebbe’s request, we will merit to see the sefarim back where they belong – in 770!!!

to #14
June 13, 2013 9:54 pm

Can you please translate that?
For those who dont understand hebrew, and want to understand what the rebbes view on this was!!

see this link
June 13, 2013 8:56 pm
Very Worrying
June 13, 2013 8:43 pm

While I understand the idea that perhaps confrontation is not the best way to get results with the Russians ( as was the Rebbe’s shita all the years), it is hard to believe accepting and celebrating this ‘compromise’ offered by Putin is a step in the right direction. Everyone agrees that the ultimate goal is to have the Seforim back in 770. I don’t think Putin has that in mind with this idea in which case this step can only be a holding back tactic. The whole world knows Putin is up to no good, why is it that Rabbi… Read more »

Respect Chief Rabbi
June 13, 2013 8:40 pm

Rabbi Lazar is a great leader of Jews in Russia and of Chabad worldwide, someone that is 100% given over to the Rebbe’s work!

re books
June 13, 2013 8:34 pm

Sadly books from the collection are being snuck out of Russia and sold in the USA I have seen with my own eyes seforim from the collection ..

to #2
June 13, 2013 8:33 pm

since when was the lawyers appointed by the rebbe?
thy came in to the case just a couple years ago .

in rabbi levins book page 438 it said that ones thy ask the rebbe about having the a Lubavitcher library in Russia with the sfarim and the rebbe answered to ask the askanim and rabanim that understand about this

so it was not something the rebbe said no to
(he asked before and the rebbe said no
but lather in shvat 5752 he got the above answer

June 13, 2013 8:08 pm

The Rebbe was very clear about his wishes. This spits in the face of his teachings. I hope the shaliach is working on a full solution and that he views this as just a step towards the ultimate goal

Here we go
June 13, 2013 8:07 pm

So now what happens? Does everyone now go online to comment against r’ lazar? Or do people support him? Perhaps everyone should bash him, because from the angle they see it, it seems he’s going against the Rebbe. Seriously people, between this story and the other one regarding the library, we’d think it’s time that you’d realize it’s not all the way you, the commenter/s, see it. Most things aren’t as simple as they seems.

# 4. By Rabbi Lazar getting involved you so correctly write:
June 13, 2013 7:48 pm

he is placing millions of Jews in greater danger! The battle is to be fought from the USA by those appointed by the Rebbe, and his attorneys, not by a rabbi in Russia. Had he stepped out of the picture he would never had brought the entire Jewry of Russia into the whirlpool! That is what he has done, in addition to harming the Rebbe’s cause re the sforim. And sir at #4 do not downplay the Rebbe’s library as you write. Stop with your inverted mindset attributing danger to lives to retrieving the Rebbe’s library! Are you one of… Read more »

What the Rebbe says
June 13, 2013 7:43 pm

What is the Rebbes approach to compromise in areas of doing what the Rebbe wants? Time after time, the Frierdike Rebbe and then the Rebbe, would state their desires and goals and would be ridiculed, admonished or nicely told that its impossible. They were at times offered to compromise on some issues. The answer was always the same: There is no compromise. It will be done as the Rebbe wants. And it always was.
Thank you

I know
June 13, 2013 7:32 pm

I was told by members of aguch that some sefarim over the years were being sold from the library. With this transfer that will stop. Reb Berel is a great person. Aguch if they cared so much let them buy the Itkin house to have a place to store the sefarim of the REBBE that are lying in boxes with room to store them…..

Pick your fights!
June 13, 2013 7:23 pm

As much as I want the library back home, don’t tick off a major player in middle east politics, thus placing millions of Jews in greater danger, over a library! Especially, when he extended an olive branch! It’s pikuach nefesh on a major scale!

June 13, 2013 7:08 pm

There is a house for sale next to the Rebbe’s Library.
If the Russian government buys the house and stores the seforim there, than it is officially “russian soil”. And officially or unofficially (which ever way works better) Lubavitch will take care of the building and have full access to the seforim, so that eveeryone can see.

against the Rebbe's wishes
June 13, 2013 6:40 pm

Rabbi Lazar has gone against the Rebbe’s wishes and his lawyers who have been appointed on behalf of the Rebbe to carry the issue to its just conclusion. By coming to this compromise agreement, Rabbi Lazer has taken steps to weaken the case of the Rebbe. There is nothing to be joyful over, to the contrary. Furthermore it is very questionable if Rabbi Lazar has the authority to continue as part of, or to represent Lubavitch – anywhere.

The way I see it
June 13, 2013 6:20 pm

Rabbi Lazar and the rabbis in Russia don’t think this is over at all. They do, however, see this as step in the right direction. Russia would love for it to be over, but Rabbi Lazar won’t argue with them, not to get into fights with Putin.
Just so the courts are aware that this is not over, Chabad has to make it very clear that it aint over. Far from it.