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Reacting to Mezuzah Controversy

Chassidus Applied with Rabbi Simon Jacobson: How should we react to the recent Mezuzah controversy? Video

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I am glad it was brought to the for front. my son purchased mivtzoyim mezuzos and they were pasul. Than he purchased from Rabbi benshimon in montreal mivtzayim ones and they were good. What is the use of selling pasul mezuzos?

That’s a ridiculous suggestion
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That’s a ridiculous suggestion

I’m surprised. Reb Simeon, you are usually a well thought out Mashpia. Did you suggest that Anash should go to a store in CH and double check our purchases? Should we bring our own mashgichim to the deli? We go to these stores because we trust them if they are in our community then they need to have a standard. Your answer regards the mezzuzot that there are different opinions as to kosher and not kosher in between kosher is absurd. Do we have that in Kashrus/bris/Gerus mi Yehudi ? Please clarify

Great Episode
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Great Episode

Thank you for a well thought out program. I really appreciated your levelheadedness.

Excellent
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Excellent

Finally, a clear and composed approach based on Torah and halacha. To #2 – What are you talking about? You have an obligation to ensure that your mezuzos are kosher. We would all love to trust the stores. But when that comes into question, we have no choice but to check with objective rabbonim and sofrim. Rabbi Jacobson hit it straight on. And yes, if you look in shulchan aruch you will see (not just regarding mezuzah, but regarding so many different halachos) that their are different levels of hidur and different opinions as to what is considered kosher l’ikuva… Read more »

Morei mireinu HoRav
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Morei mireinu HoRav

It is scary how people just rattle of “lechatchila” “bedieved״ “le’ikuva”
That comes from giving semicha to boys who have no concept of how to interpret Chumash rashi or a blat gemorah with rishishonim and off they go with their pretty teudos and immediately get an Aliya morie mireinu HoRav
Ludicrous but these posts demonstrate the absolute danger .

"Kosher "....
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"Kosher "....

Now that we have some CLARITY on mezuzos let’s continue to the kosher food industry, starting with chicken and meat.

Mivtzoim mezuzas
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Mivtzoim mezuzas

1) the only mesuzas that are in question are mivtzoim mezuzos which none of us should be using for personal use anyway!

2) the Torah way to handle these matters is exactly how it is playing out: in a beis din.

I love him but I think Rabbi Simon missed the mark on this one.

To number 7
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To number 7

I’d hate to break it to you but if you’re not checking mivtzoyim mezuzos youre not checking other stuff either.

Mehudar mezuzos (and tefillin) can have problems too. They still need to be checked slowly and carefully. In fact, because thw ksav is thicker and letters closer together, mehudar stam will typically have more negiyos….

6&7
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6&7

Rabbi Simon said exactly your words. That yidden have a Torah and therefore it belongs in Beis Din-
He also added advice for the sofrim to come out with a way of fixing the issue and not to stand on the defense..please listen to him again saying clearly that it belongs in Bais Din

To number 1
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To number 1

I agree, Rabbi Bensimon from Montreal is an excellent sofer and a very special yungerman. Very few sofrim in Chabad are ehrlich like him. He wrote a most beautiful sefer torah in memory of Mendel Cotlar, the young bocher who tragically passed away in Texas a few years back. I think anyone who is meets him knows he is the real deal.

to nu.2
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to nu.2

i think he implied if you should buy them from a sofer you trust u wouldnt need to recheck. You should just not be so passive, and ask the sofer can you recheck them, are yo sure these are good etc. and yes mivtsoim ones are not alter rebbe…

to nu 2
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to nu 2

yes there are diff levels of kashrus
bishul yisroel where non bishul yisroel is still kosher acc to opinions, there are different shcitahs that one will eat and not eat even though you dont need to kasher in between, there are chicken kashered as split chicken and not,, there are people who wont eat chodosh, so yes in kashrus in food and in stam there are different levels. not so with mihu yehudi, no levels

Thank you rabbi siman
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Thank you rabbi siman

Why are these vendors getting all defensive, of they have nothing to hide let them invite whoever wants , to check their ‘stock’ . To run to a din Torah and get affended is childish and wrong.
They should grow up and prove they have no issue by allowing all sofrim to examine their ‘kosher’ stuff

to everyone that knows better
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to everyone that knows better

there are unfortunately certain sofrim who like to passul lots of kosher lchatchila stam. they do this as they feel their way is the only way to go. however, there are many poskim who disagree with them, therefore by making this whole video one-sided and bashmutzing all the stores who sell them is disgusting and something that korach would do.

Too soft on this issue.
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Too soft on this issue.

Sorry, like a gun manufactured making a bad product and folks die. People come in to buy a kosher product, period. Houses are burning down in Crown Heights and actually this belongs in the public for they are selling treif and we need to know who and where. Obviously they do not fear G-d so let them fear man. They do not fear the horrible punishments that are described for making and selling bad parshas so let them have the busha and they will learn that way. Coming back as a dog is worse than any embarrassment they are now… Read more »

Can at least one Sofer please post that they are kosher
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Can at least one Sofer please post that they are kosher

If one Sofer would come forward and say the mezzuzot are kosher this would have been over days ago. Someone would bring up the mezzuzah ordeal and the second person would answer didn’t u hear a Sofer checked them and they are all kosher. Maybe not to the best standard but they are kosher. Then it will be like everything else we have. This is good this one is no good …… is there a Sofer that is saying that according to some Dayah those mezzuzot are ok?

To 11&12. I’m # 2. And I agree with u in part
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To 11&12. I’m # 2. And I agree with u in part

I agree with you that there is a difference between all things I mentioned -kashrus – mi yehudi and these mezzuzot. I stand corrected. because these mezzuzot are specifically for mivtzoim and even though crown heights is a tourist area I don’t believe these stores are selling pishutim to a walk ins. With that being said. It is not reasonable to ask a Customer whether a Shliach or Anash doing mivtzoim to purchase something in a crown heights store and they need to recheck it. All the owners involved are good people with solid reputations. It was their obligation to… Read more »

to #13
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to #13

please walk in to any of the stores and ask to see they will gladly show you what they have!
this is how they usually sell mezuzah you can walk in and see what exactly you are getting.
if you order over the phone they email or fax over a picture of those exact mezuzahs that is how the business is ran, there is no fraud just some lazy people who rather passul things

To nu 17
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To nu 17

I doubt they knowingly sold posul mezuzos. The sofrim most likely ddnt check them all before selling, not trying to cheat. It’s not a hard or bad idea to upgrade the mivtsoim mezuzos on one hand but bec it was done like this, it just diesnt look like was done lshem shomayim.

To #16
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To #16

Rabbi sabag said that a lot of the problems are not problems at all. Any normal sofer does not say pusol on mezuzahs even if it’s missing a word. He will go to a rav and ask him.

To #38
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To #38

How can you say such a thing??? If only people would listen to rabbonim, everything would be much more normal, and people would not be confused

Yakov
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Yakov

Are we Lubavitcher if stores on Kingston are only concerned with profit and loss margins who needs them,we could order mizuzos on line maybe a computer could check the tefillin and mezuzos who needs a Sofer they can work for a car service!

What should do?
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What should do?

Just a few weeks ago I put up a lot of mivtzoim mezuzahs for a family that is struggling financially, otherwise they would spend more. One of the family members is very unwell.
How deceitful and unethical to sell these mezuzahs as Kosher. Are the sellers pleading ignorance, are they blinded by greed? Don’t say we should buy them anyways, if the mezuzahs are on the market they have to ensure its a kosher product or don’t offer it.
What should I say to that family? Oops, don’t worth the mezuzahs might be kosher bedueved, maybe with some fixing.
I have no words.

#21 Rabonim Beyond Reproach “RBR”
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#21 Rabonim Beyond Reproach “RBR”

The whole problem is the Rabonim. Not all of them of course. Why do you think Wolf didn’t go to them directly. It’s the obvious thing to do. But the VRL who is typically in charge of this type of situation as it deals with the Shluchim have no transparency or protocols. Wolf is in Chicago he wasn’t coming to the CH BD. Ask the litigants that have been to a VRL BD it’s a mafia and farce. Some of the hit men are notorious. In a normal situation people should and would go to the Rabonim like # 21… Read more »

to #23
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to #23

I believe it makes sense to tell that family, that you just found out that they have to be checked. You don’t want this and the health of the family member to be on you head.

I am so thankful that R. Wolfe brought this concept to our attention. I had no clue before either.

To #24
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To #24

R’ Wolf got a hazmono to B”D, he must follow halocho and go.

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. If he blatantly flaunts halacha like that C”V, he’s nothing but a media hound and rabble rouser.

to nu. 23
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to nu. 23

yes, say since we are seeing health issues the rebbe always said to check mezuzos, so although we just put them on the checking itself is a healer, if they are fixeable, you will tell them, lets make them more stringent kosher because we want health, if they are really posul beyond repair, (which you have to take to a real professional,the bigger the professional the most likely he can make them reparable,) you can still say, its a good idea to upgrade …, and hopefully you can return them to wherever you bought them. iam sure if you deal… Read more »

shlomo
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shlomo

when this story will end kashrut controversy will start after kashrut controversy will end another controversy will start it’s no end to this. it’s just business

To shlomo 28
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To shlomo 28

ItS not business it’s anti business
Its milchemes hashem baamolek
It’s all about who’s on which side
There’s only one judge

I was on Wolf's side. Until I opened a Shulchon Oruch.
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I was on Wolf's side. Until I opened a Shulchon Oruch.

I assumed that when Wolf said it’s “possul”, that he was presenting the whole picture and according to all Poskim. I assumed touching letters for eg. Are possul. But when I saw in Shulchan Oruch (32:5) that in regards to touching letters, there are 2 opinions and the stricter opinion is it’s better to fix, I was very upset. Why call the sofrim frauds when these mezuzahs are perfectly kosher according to Shulchan Oruch, albeit not the most mehudar? Why not clarify that there are different opinions in Shulchan Oruch? This is like calling OU frauds if they are more… Read more »

To number 30.  A negiya is possul until fixed
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To number 30. A negiya is possul until fixed

I think you should get some rabbinic counselling. The practical halacha (halacha lemayseh) is that a negiya is not kosher until fixed. Not even kosher bedieved. However, you can stretch it to say that if someone had a negiya, it was not necessarily a brocha levatolah because in some circumstances there are minority opinions to rely on. But we do not pasken like them.

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