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    Rabbis Fight Hate Blogs

    Rabbis Avrohom Osdoba and Yaakov Schwei are fed up with the hate blogs trying to intimidate the Crown Heights community and its leadership. Full Story

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    Simple man
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    Simple man

    Why?
    And what Halacha is this base on?

    its time!!!
    Guest
    its time!!!

    nobody asked these people to protect us! they bring more harm with their fighting! stop stop stop! leave us alone!

    Kudos
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    Kudos

    You can always count on c.o.l. live for wholsome reporting and giving us both sides of the story.

    question
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    question

    the question is if they are going to listen to the BD

    Those web sites are still up with all this non sende fight

    to number 1
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    to number 1

    he mentioned that what happened over here is sinah
    which mens the isur of sinas chinum

    Where is Rav Braun??
    Guest
    Where is Rav Braun??

    Shouldn’t they get the signature of our third Rov??

    please explain
    Guest
    please explain

    between a jew and the NYPD we must remain silent but from a jew to a jew we are allowed to go to court?!!!

    Deal with the issues and we will obey these rules!
    Guest
    Deal with the issues and we will obey these rules!

    When the 3 bocherim were issued summonses for standing on private property (not that is should make a difference where they stood, why should they have been ticketed even if they were really standing on the sidewalk?), they first approached Zaki for help, he referred them to Eli Cohen who handles these matters. Instead of getting assistance in this matter they were told by Rabbi Cohen not to rock the boat, not to spoil the “good” relationship the community has with the cops. Fact is, some cops ARE abusing their positions and the community is suffering. The community council is… Read more »

    Who are we kidding?
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    Who are we kidding?

    Since when does Yossi Lifshitz care about what the rabbis say? this drunk will keep opening blogs and smearing people day and night [mostly during the night because that’s when he’s on a “high”] This felon has no limits and has nothing what to lose from his miserable life

    To 6
    Guest
    To 6

    Why don’t you go look for him if you’re so worried.

    Yasher Koach to COL for being “Fair and Balanced” as usual. The classiest of all the Chabad blogsites.

    Community ticket fund?
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    Community ticket fund?

    If the JCC don’t want us to complain to 311 and the media when we get bogus trumped up tickets, and the JCC refuse to handle these issues and get them cleared up because they don’t want to ruin their “great” relationships with the 71st precinct, may I suggest that the JCC fund a program to pay for all these bogus tickets we are getting? No, you won’t? Then don’t complain when we fight back, though most of the JCC members are pretty well off, most of us are not, and we can’t afford to be silent when we are… Read more »

    just my 2 cents
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    just my 2 cents

    in my opinion this letter just caused more chilul hashem as its printed all over the media!

    to #8
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    to #8

    the rabbonim’s letter is not about the police and that sidewalk situation which is really a problem and must be dealt with

    the think is that the 3 bochurim who got summons are being used by the hate gang to continue attacking the police because they are not relevant anymore

    chillul hashem and disgrace!
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    chillul hashem and disgrace!

    these websites that write so much loshin hara are a disgrace to our community
    they should be stopped.

    Kol hakavod Col
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    Kol hakavod Col

    good for you for standing up for whats right!

    you are the only web site that I go to for news.

    keep on doing what you do and may you continue to have hatzlacha!

    From a District Attorney
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    From a District Attorney

    This letter is incredibly badly thought-out and written. The Rabbonim are clearly engaging in witness tampering and dissuation. This could subject them to criminal prosecution. It is harmful to prevent the freedom of speech under a threat of chirum. I cannot believe this actually was published. I call on the rabbonim to IMMEDIATELY withdraw this letter.

    @ #13
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    @ #13

    Sorry, you are mistaken. Rules 1 and 3 (and I would say 2, but that’s debatable) are most definitely aimed at those 3 bocherim, they have nothing to do with the Shomrim/Shmira struggle!

    Thank you COL for posting this!
    Guest
    Thank you COL for posting this!

    Toishav hashchuna!

    who takes the responsibility for this
    Guest
    who takes the responsibility for this
    CHJCC
    Guest
    CHJCC

    So if they cann’t even return a call then then how are we expected to get anything inwriting?

    chaim herskop is the one behind the sites
    Guest
    chaim herskop is the one behind the sites

    Some one needs to talk to him a

    confused
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    confused

    what does this have to do with shomrim and shmirah?????????

    enough
    Guest
    enough

    its all over the media because these hershkop thugs who cause sinas chinum know the anti semite who works for the daily news and had her put it in to basically get back at the rabbonim
    the truth hurts them they are mosserim

    mendel
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    mendel

    WOW rabbonim are starting trying to take control, K.H.K about time I would like to wish the rabbonim and Zaki Tammir Hatzlocho Rabo and if Rabbonim continue this way they will be zoiche to fullfil the Rebbes wish

    Enough with Shomrim!
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    Enough with Shomrim!

    We have enough fights without them! We dont need a dedicated organization to ad to it!

    Finally
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    Finally

    B’H we have both Rabbonim signing on ONE letter, lets keep to it

    YG
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    YG

    IF as according to zaki says, the letter is talking about the hate blogs… Why didn’t the letter clearly state that??

    gag order
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    gag order

    Is it not bad enough that the squabbling rabbis and the criminals that feed the feud abuse the community for personal gain and cover, but now they wish to gag their victims as well?!
    You rip out our hearts, but we must not scream?

    happy
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    happy

    the fact is it was in the daily news on friday .it looks like everyone jumps to do things with out a BRAIN.

    CONFUSED
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    CONFUSED

    With all due respect to the esteemed Rabonim, can someone pasken that they should not fight with each other?
    maybe then the people would have more respect for the Rabonim and for the Rabbinate in general.

    C. G.
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    C. G.

    Wow. This is shocking. But it’s good to see col’s clarifiaction on the story.

    shloime freundlich
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    shloime freundlich

    Freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely without censorship or limitation,we live in a Democracy not a Theocracy or Police state it is is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution The right to freedom of speech is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

    redress
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    redress

    What if someone has a complaint after they go to the community council? What do the Rabbanim suggest should then be done?

    Surprised
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    Surprised

    Why not just say it as it is? The Shomrim (read mosrim) have been screwing things up for WAY too long!!!

    me and my dad
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    me and my dad

    ok , if the letter has anything to do with the ticket they 3 bochurim got then it should be dismissed at once as rubbish. The ticket was totally on off the norm and should/must be dealt with strongly. The officers involved at least the key, I believe will end up in desk duty once this is all hashed out. A stupid move on their part. That said , if the community council knew and was asked to help, and as mentioned they said bla bla bla about relations then shame on them. The letter also was written poorly, I… Read more »

    hatzolah
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    hatzolah

    Just for all your information this letter was writen in reponse to a artical that was posted on another site about hatzolah and police to stir up more trouble for the police and was a personl agenda of some trouble makers and was untrue and was writen by request of ch hatzolah

    LETS WELCOME MOSHIACH ..HUMBUG
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    LETS WELCOME MOSHIACH ..HUMBUG

    BH/BSD
    IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE ARE TO GREET MOSHAICH WITH ACTS OF GOODNESS AND KINDNESS
    GALUS IS DARK AND DEEP INDEED LAAG V’KELESS
    SOO SAD WHEN WILL WE WAKE UP

    a duh
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    a duh

    does anyone realize that this piece of paper means nothing in real life!!!

    Cut through all the noise.
    Guest
    Cut through all the noise.

    Lets get this straight, the letter is not about freedom of speech it’s about member’s of the shomrim gang trying to use their blogs to destroy any good will we may have with the police because they are no longer the police favorites. (yes its as immature and pathetic as it sounds) this is not to say Shmira is any better, they both run to the police to report each other in any way possible and at the same time call each other – and anyone who is not on their “side” – a moisser. at this point i think… Read more »

    to #6
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    to #6

    There was no hachtara, he is not a rov (yet).

    Try this little experment
    Guest
    Try this little experment

    Go over to someone who is not from crown heights and try to explain them the fight in our community between two rival “safety petrol’s”
    describe it in any way possible and 9 out of 10 times they will say something to the extent of “wow, that is the saddest thing I ever heard”

    "A picture is worth a thousand words"
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    "A picture is worth a thousand words"

    the picture says it all, I guess boys (with their busy walkie talkies) will be boys.

    my point of view!
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    my point of view!

    Not sure if this letter was the best way to go but we obviously can not have a few people destroying the entire community’s relationship with the police and city officials for their own personnel agenda – although for the life of me I cant figure out what that agenda might be.

    Expose them!!!
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    Expose them!!!

    You say:
    “hate blogs on the web run by a handful of people who try to remain anonymous:

    If you know who they are why dont you expose them, put a big picture of these professional haters on this site.

    they hide behind the internet to destroy peoples lives, why dont you return the favor.

    to 19
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    to 19

    why dont you ask the people who ran to the media with the letter, they shouldn’t be to hard to find, Hint: they drive around in cars with big flashy lights,

    The definition of hypocrisy
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    The definition of hypocrisy

    The same guys couldnt have loved the police more when Frank Vega (not exactly a friend of the community) was CO.

    but the again, these are the same guys who only stop screaming Moisser on the top of their lungs long enough to moisser on someone else.

    spokesperson
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    spokesperson

    if they are worried about the precinct getting the messages “on behalf of the community from the wrong ppl” why don’t they just clarify to the police who the spokes people of the community are. Then, everyone else is free to make private reports as private citizens?

    GREAT! It made the NY Times
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    GREAT! It made the NY Times
    Let's figure this out.
    Guest
    Let's figure this out.

    there must be a way for ALL the kids with the radios to drive around in Cars with Bright lights and loud sirens with out destroying our community and making us a butt of a joke.

    Not sure this is the best way
    Guest
    Not sure this is the best way

    I am all for peace and pleasant relationships. But I am skeptical about an absolute rule which will end up stopping people from publicizing wrongdoing from a department that can abuse its power. I’m not sure that an attitude like this will be most healthy for our community in the long run. In America, history has shown again and again that it’s the loud, unafraid voices that are heard and precipitate change.

    is that chaim hershkop in the picture?
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    is that chaim hershkop in the picture?

    the irony

    STOP VISITING SITES THAT SPREAD HATE AND FEAR..
    Guest
    STOP VISITING SITES THAT SPREAD HATE AND FEAR..

    if you want the site to stop losing funding..
    don’t visit web sites that spew hate and fear in our neighborhood, and think they speak for us who live here,

    Elie Poltorak
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    Elie Poltorak

    Having served on the CHJCC, I can tell you that all complaints of police misconduct are taken very seriously and addressed at the highest levels of the 71st Precinct, Brooklyn South, 1 Police Plaza, or the commissioner’s office. If the NYPD doesn’t address our concerns, there is certainly a time and a place for protesting loudly to the media etc., but B”H, for the past 3 years we have had incredible cooperation and sensitivity from the NYPD. In order to keep things moving in the right direction, we must show hakoras hatov and address the issues that inevitably do crop… Read more »

    ch resident
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    ch resident

    charity starts at home. First the rebbes should work on unity in the community and then they will get the respect they deserve. if the nypd respect us then there would be no need to knock them. in order to get respect it has to be earned.

    estie
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    estie

    What a foolish but telling letter. Ugh. where to start? I’ll allow for that the signers are not so foolish to delude themselves into thinking they have the authority and ability to create anything “binding” on “every individual in this community. At best, though, other hollow-brained folks convinced them (of the “importance”) to write this. Doesn’t say much about the Rabbis’ intelligence outside of basic halacha either. Which is my point – that they were elected by the menfolk to SERVE. Answer when asked based on halacha. (Does this edict apply to women? They were not part of the Rabbi… Read more »

    COL
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    COL

    do yourself a favor and continue to ignore them, they are evil bloggers who will destroy anyone that pay them attention, hamisavek eim hamenuval misnavel….. just continue to address the community needs and thats it.

    the irony of it all
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    the irony of it all

    just a few years ago crime was up in the shcuhna, the police did nothing and the community was trying to protect.

    Guess who was defending the cops then? the hershkops shomrim gang

    just a few years earlier after gimel tamuz who led the violent fighting in 770, threw out the gabboim, slashed people’s tires and spread fear in the community?

    u guessed right? the hershkops – the modern eirev rav of crown heights

    Who is it?
    Guest
    Who is it?

    One comment says Yossi Lifshitz is running the blog the other says it is Chaim Hershcop, which one is it?

    Enough already!
    Guest
    Enough already!

    If we were a normal community, the Hershkops would have been put in cherem long ago!!!

    Hershkop's
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    Hershkop's

    a couple weeks back Aaron Hershkop proudly told the NY Daily News that he hired a private detective to go to Israel track down a Lubavitcher from our community in order to turn him over to the Authority’s, but of course Shomrim is very against Messira.

    Shomrim
    Guest
    Shomrim

    The Hershkop/Shomrim Gang are violent group of Boorish Thugs incapable of formulating a comprehensive sentence, they therefore use a semi literate boy with very low self confidence as their mouth piece and propaganda arm.

    Down with Shomrim and Shemira
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    Down with Shomrim and Shemira

    The only ones this community need to be protected from are the immature, violent members of these patrol groups. They bring far more tzaros and violence to the community than they’re worth. I’ll take my chances with some thugs but when it’s brother against brother there’s little we can do to protect ourselves. BOTH groups need to be disbanded ASAP and the members barred from ever participating in future patrols.

    Close down shomrim
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    Close down shomrim

    I remember a few years back Dov Hicknd tried to bring shmira and shomrim together and if I’m not mistaken shmrom refused to compromise.

    I think it’s time to cut our loses and shut down this gang

    its the same people
    Guest
    its the same people

    These guys don’t care about ch they are on a mission to bring down others, and ch is the people that pay, the police see this and take advantage

    @ Elie Poltorak
    Guest
    @ Elie Poltorak

    Just to point out once more, the 3 Bocherim did go to the vaad first. They went to Zaki, who referred them to Eli Cohen who told them to be quite, pay the ticket and stop rocking the boat because “we have a great relationship” with the cops. I also remember that demonstration a few years back, it had its desired effect and we got a year or 2 of peace, perhaps it’s time to flex our communal muscle again and bring the whole are to a stop for a few hours, then the cops will start behaving again. Eli… Read more »

    Thank  you
    Guest
    Thank you

    A family member had a complaint against the police and didn’t know where to turn. Now we know that the community council will try to help if someone has a problem with the police. I hope they are successful.

    I am disappointed at COLLive's bias
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    I am disappointed at COLLive's bias

    You posted plenty of attacks on the Hershkopfs & their blog, but you don’t post anything that discusses the fundamental rights of the citizens (even non-citizens) in America to free speech. I wonder why you choose not to post anything that can possibly smack of (dare I say it) criticism of the CHJCC/Vaad or the Rabbonim? I always thought COLlive was unbiased and open, but over the past year or so I see that you are just as one-sided as the blogs you allow (encourage?) posters to accuse of prejudice. How sad is that? Let’s see if you’ll give me… Read more »

    to # 53
    Guest
    to # 53

    agreed with just about everything you wrote the problem is the NYPD went from one group to another. no0body should be treated any different and that is where the problem is ! shmira and shomrim should be put to a stop ASAP!! both groups are wrong in their own way and must come to a end right away enough with the finger pointing!

    patrol elections
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    patrol elections

    it should be only one patrol group and we need elections
    let see what they propose, and who they are, and we can vote for them or not

    to #62
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    to #62

    i understand why the shomrim should be put down but the shmira have helped us alot , if you put them down the next time you get locked out of your car or need help who you going to call that will help you that fast, think about that before saying anything like that ,

    Dave
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    Dave

    When will CH finally deal with the Hershkopfs? Enough is enough!!

    #53
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    #53

    YOU SHALL BE ASHMAD TO POST WHEN u r the one who try to lock up shomrim 6. HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT WHEN WE MAKE NOSE WE ARE HERD. stop being a suker and wake up. the police are having a ball with the CHJJC. they dont give a hoot about us

    Furthermore:
    Guest
    Furthermore:

    Who do you think sent this letter to the press in order to embarrass the Rabbonim and the community? Who do you think did it? We elected a community council, and who’s thumbing their noses at our representatives?? The same troublemakers for 15 years….

    start again with new group
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    start again with new group

    The only solution in my opinion is close down both shomrim and shmira and start a new group under the auspices of the community council and nypd. this organization should be run efficiently and smoothly much like hatzola.

    to 58
    Guest
    to 58

    there are more then one blog

    This is confusing
    Guest
    This is confusing

    The letter was not clear about who or what it was addressing.
    and it should have been given directly to the inteneded party. Obviously, no regular person should think of being afraid to voice any legitimate complaint.

    #71 - so agree
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    #71 - so agree

    i think many many good honest people who are too modest to make a hoo haa about this issue.But if the heads of the community are looking out for the good and wellbeing and the future of the community they will act swiftly,the nasty cyber loshonhora war that goes on is unacceptable and a busha.

    ???
    Guest
    ???

    very confusing.whats going on.

    Saddened
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    Saddened

    Why are we so capable at constructing and developing new communities with state of the art schools, programs, shuls etc. but when it comes to our own community we are so deep in the dumps that we can’t see out of it. Why have we resorted to verbal attacks? When was mutual respect disowned? Why can’t we offer our children a better future? Why are we content to live in discord? It hurts in the deepest recesses of my heart that we can’t stand together, and overlook our differences. We teach the world to forgive, accept, and love, yet our… Read more »

    Mystified
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    Mystified

    Shlomie Freundlich (#32): You are right on on target.

    We have the constitutional right to free speech.
    The right to dress as we wish.
    The right to eat what we want.
    The Rabbis with their halacha are just restricting freedoms. Sometimes even with the simple halacha of listening to rabbonim.

    what about 123?
    Guest
    what about 123?

    cohen only knows about #4 ?!

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