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A mother
March 16, 2017 1:29 pm

Great idea.
However, where are principals of the girls schools of Crown – Hights? Why they are not mentioned in this letter?
After all, zneus is also for girls and women?
Beside mother’s role teacher, principal’s and educators are number 1 girls look up to. These people must take responsibility for being true znius role models for our daughters when they decide to be in the education system.
If an educator feels it is too much to ask then don’t take the position.

to #98
November 19, 2012 7:02 am

How long did you think through what you wrote before posting it? How should a woman take care of tasks like grocery shopping, taking children to doctor appointments etc,, or miztvos like bikur cholim, if she is only supposed to go out of the house once or twice a month? And who will be the morahs for the girls if no woman is allowed out of the house more than once or twice a month? And what about an unmarried woman with no parents or siblings, who has to support herself? Maybe you prefer the system in Saudi Arabia where… Read more »

Rocking the boat.
November 18, 2012 9:46 pm

The authorities in Crown Heights schools don’t go for the juglar in terms of strong policies, simply because they fear rocking their own boats. Most of our institutions practice blind nepotism (i.e. familial hiring and not firing, even in the face uncontested child abuse) as well, they participate in the gross under-education of our children. So whatever.

to 115
November 18, 2012 3:01 pm

agree 100%. they can send one thousand letters one after the other… but where is everyone when it comes to action… none of the principles etc. have the guts to be assertive when it comes to actually telling someone off?!

letters are good, action is better
November 18, 2012 12:31 am

but are teachers dressing according to halacha?

what is being done to teach and educate and inspire staff of schools?

Its painful to see Jewish women not valuing their Jewishness, not taking pride in their heritage, culture, halacha…

What is being done to help inspire the women of Crown Heights?

Why are principals looking the other way when staff is not dressing according to Halacha?

miriam
November 17, 2012 10:39 pm

why does it bother so many people how others dress, as long as you are dressing tznius, get a life, stop judging others,

I never got the letter
November 16, 2012 7:55 am

It should be sent to the entire Anash list, not just parents of school aged children.

signed, Bubby

109
November 15, 2012 11:38 pm

Hats off to you and your eloquent words of wisdom.

marg re.92
November 15, 2012 5:03 pm

Yes! take an honest,all round look in the mirror dear sisters;not only each day at home but especially in the store before a purchase.Retailers please source suitable outfits for girls and women.

wow, nobody besides one commentator states the obvious
November 15, 2012 2:51 pm

Confusion Some of you may have missed the point of the letter. They are not preaching to anyone. They are simply stating – in a very gentle and positive tone – the policy of these schools. Here is the quote: “at the entrance of our schools there will be signs praising the vital role of the women in safeguarding the קדושה of all aspects of Jewish life, followed by guidelines of modest dress and the appropriate way to enter our מוסדות חינוך – our מקומות קדושים. These include properly covered knees, elbow, collarbone, wearing stockings, and a shaitel for married… Read more »

To 35
November 15, 2012 1:55 pm

As you have spent a significant portion of your life in the secular world, I am deeply disappointed and disturbed that you seem to equate all Gentiles with armed robbery and “gossip magazines.” Your choice of the word “goyishe” to describe such things doesn’t acknowledge that an armed robber is an individual human being making a series of decisions that don’t speak for 99 percent of so-called “goyim.” There aren’t two cultures in the world- Orthodox Judaism and the homogenous stew of immorality in which everyone else lives. Every non-Jew isn’t digging through skimpy clothing magazines trying to figure out… Read more »

shocked
November 15, 2012 10:42 am

the letter “ONLY REMINDS’ mothers of tzinus?????????
WHAT HAS BECOME OF THE REBBES SHUCHANA????
WHY DO PARANTS HAVE TO BE REMINDED??????
HILCHOS TZINUS IS A 24/7 ISSUE!!!!!!!!

DOES THE PARANT BODY OF OUR SCHOOLS HAVE AN ISSUE WITH TZINUS????
AS A PARANTS IN YOUR SCHOOL

WE HOPE NOOOOOOTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!

to complainers
November 15, 2012 10:13 am

just stay home.

to #14
November 15, 2012 10:04 am

well said!

All of you
November 15, 2012 9:48 am

Should be saying prayers for peace in the Middle East.

LETS FACE THE FACTS
November 15, 2012 8:42 am

When a women dresses untzniusdig and is nichshol a man, she will have to answer for each incident after 120. The issue about “men” writing this letter will be known as looking for an excuse. Our Shulchan Orech was also written by a man. Let’s face it. Everyone KNOWS that too many Chabad women, the world over, have a major problem with dressing according to Halachah. The women know it too. For some reason, this seems to be the challenge of the day. Educate, educate, educate. Mommys, your job is to stand up and be a mommy. Zero tolerance for… Read more »

#99
November 15, 2012 7:43 am

now texting, what’s next?
We really have more bigger problems than this, but people don’t care about those problems which I won’t discuss.

shameful
November 15, 2012 7:38 am

i am highly affiliated with chabad on campus. when i went to chabad with friends for an event there were various other chabad couples there. my friends said to me “why arent theyre necklines or knees covered, and why are they wearing sheitels nicer than anyones real hair, doesnt that object the purpose?” i was ashamed, i didnt know how to respond. the shluchim are our role models, and girls will assume that this is acceptable if they see their rebbetzins looking like this. so don’t think about how you want to impress other ladies from your tight and expensive… Read more »

HELP!
November 15, 2012 7:21 am

school policy should be if a parent doesn’t adhere to the way the Rebbe wanted kan tziva to be, regardless how much money said parent is donating, no touching of beard, men and women dressing as if she’s going to the Rebbe for a dollar

Kol hakavod
November 15, 2012 1:58 am
what about tznius in texting
November 15, 2012 1:40 am

i suggest that rabonim, not menahalim, address the issue of texting as well. men and women who are not married to each other are texting eachother and do find anything wrong with it. don’t you think that their children are doing the same?

not tznius on Kingston?-follow the Rambam
November 15, 2012 1:19 am

“Rambam (Hilchos Ishus 13:11): A man must give his wife clothing like women normally wear outside in order that she can go to her father or a house of mourning or Simchah. She may go to these places to bestow Chesed to her friends and relatives, in order that they will come to her. She is not a prisoner who may not come and go. However, it is degrading for a woman to always be outside and on the streets. A man should prevent his wife from doing so. She should go outside once or twice a month, according to… Read more »

To #64
November 15, 2012 12:55 am

Wawwo! But very unfortunately true many times in Crown Heights. sometimes there is some similarity between the non tznioos girls/ women, in the way they dress and use accessories . I feel like there is some bug going on, where concept such as ‘FASHION’ , ‘ LOOKING RICH’ , ‘ I AM A GROWN UP AND INDIPENDENT’ and ‘I AM UNIQUE’ are taking over the REBBES DIRECTION FOR BAS MELECH. IT’S AS IF LOW SELF ESTEEM IS COMFUSING WOMEN AND GIRLS, BLINDING THEM FROM THE ULTIMATE TRUTH, THAT THEY ARE DAUTHERS OF MELECH MALCHEY HAMELACHIM. After all….. WHAT ELSE CAN… Read more »

!!!!!
November 15, 2012 12:18 am

IF YOU ARE DRESSING IN A WAY THAT YOUR HUSBAND DOES NOT LIKE… THAT HE DOES NOT APPROVE OF.. THEN GUESS WHAT!!!!???? YOU ARE NOT DRESSING FOR YOUR HUSBAND…
NOW THE QUESTION IS.. WHO THE HE** ARE YOU DRESSING FOR????!!!…
AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE JUSTIFYING OTHERS THAT ARE DOING THIS IS INTOLERABLE AND UTTERLY DISGUSTING…

PERHAPS WE ARE HAVING OTHER ISSUES THAN TZNIUS. MAYBE WE SHOULD REVIEW THE LAWS OF TAHARAS HAMISHPACHA….

...
November 15, 2012 12:18 am

“When I see you on the street with your low neckline, your itty bitty skirt, your bare there tichel, it screams to me
a. i have no self esteme
b. I have an unhappy marriage, but I want people to think myhusband thinks im sttractive
c. I am having an identity crisis
d. Inever learnt what tznius is so I think that it means being ugly”

completely agree

In regards to many of the above comment:

question:
November 14, 2012 11:43 pm

is this the biggest issue facing our principals and mosdos chinuch?

Take responsability
November 14, 2012 11:34 pm

Stop passing the buck.

Its so Pashut
November 14, 2012 11:29 pm

We ALL haveto be dressed every minute as if the Rebbe is here & youre going for dollars. Take an honest look in the mirror before you walk out of the house & ask yourself AM I DRESSED TO GREET MOSHIACH?? Itll happen any day now…………!!!!

Idea
November 14, 2012 11:27 pm

To open a school for new comers and non tznius
Could be a great idea
This way. Everyone chose where to go and what to do
And the tznius schools can in force their rules strictky

How you dress says something about you...
November 14, 2012 10:56 pm

When I see you on the street with your low neckline, your itty bitty skirt, your bare there tichel, it screams to me
a. i have no self esteme
b. I have an unhappy marriage, but I want people to think myhusband thinks im sttractive
c. I am having an identity crisis
d. Inever learnt what tznius is so I think that it means being ugky

You think I’m wrong? prove it, get your self together and show yourself some dignity, not like you belong on the corner in Mexico

If you want a woman to stand up and take the role
November 14, 2012 10:52 pm

Like Devorah so many years ago, or Miriam, or the Rebbitzins of the past, there is no problem with that, BUT CAN YOU FIT THE BILLOF A LEADER? All these women complain about men being leaders in the community, and that was fine because the women were the leaders of their homes which gave the community stability, but now that the women a slacking off and complaining about stupidity like running for the Vaad, there no longer is stability in our homes or community. These men are just trying to put our community back together, with the women as the… Read more »

What Is Modesty?
November 14, 2012 10:10 pm

Here is a beautiful explanation:

http://11213.org/2012/05/02/modesty/

Confused
November 14, 2012 10:03 pm

If the men signed the letters they should have included the fact that our men and boys need to stop trimming their beards or shaving completely. This is just as horrible as the lack of tznius among the women.

judge favorably
November 14, 2012 9:58 pm

some ladies in ch just don’t know……they look at other frum women for example with leggings and no socks and think it’s ok……..the girls are growing up seeing”frum” women with mini skirts and tights and begin to think that it’s all ok and fine……we need to explain the oilam and rememberlike the tune of this letter that koi soimar works best with us

Confusion
November 14, 2012 9:56 pm

Some of you may have missed the point of the letter. They are not preaching to anyone. They are simply stating – in a very gentle and positive tone – the policy of these schools. Here is the quote: “at the entrance of our schools there will be signs praising the vital role of the women in safeguarding the קדושה of all aspects of Jewish life, followed by guidelines of modest dress and the appropriate way to enter our מוסדות חינוך – our מקומות קדושים. These include properly covered knees, elbow, collarbone, wearing stockings, and a shaitel for married women… Read more »

Only men signed
November 14, 2012 9:54 pm

To all those asking why only men signed, STOP DODGING THE ISSUE AT HAND.

BTW when Mrs. Ella Lerman was the only one doing the thankless job of being THE TZNIUS LADY, I didn’t see the men complain why is it only a woman doing this job, we want the job.

Let us all respect the roles we were destined to do.
It works.

Solution
November 14, 2012 9:41 pm

Offer discounts on tuition and shopping stores for people dressing tznius. Sholom al yisroel 😄

reaching for the stars
November 14, 2012 9:38 pm

schools need to not accept kids if the parents wont keep tznius standards inside as well as out side and husbands and fathers shouldn’t let their wives and daugthers dress like shiksas when you walk down kingston you cant tell the difference between a lubavitcher woman and a goy ,and morahs should be thrown out of school for their lack of tznius

Get a life
November 14, 2012 9:32 pm

The schools are trying to cover up on their failing the last generation.

Yes there is a problem, and in theory for rabbies to encourage people to be better is a great thing, but they need to fix it at the source, they need to look at themselves in the mirror, they created a monster and now they are afraid and dont know what to do about it.

go bnos menachem and beis chaya mushka!!
November 14, 2012 9:30 pm

where the parents and students are proud to dress appropriately -and not desperate and insecure that they need to expose themselves.

What a farce
November 14, 2012 9:08 pm

Can’t wait to see who the schools honor this year at their dinner. Mark my words it will be another richie rich alumni who is hardly frum let alone tznius. Look at the previous honorees. For money it’s all fine. How dare those same ppl sign this letter when year after year they are hypocrites.

why
November 14, 2012 9:07 pm

why in the world would they come to a mossad with their knees uncovered? If they worked at a government job or anything where the secular rule is a standard of dress, they would do it.

please also address the teachers in the mosdos
November 14, 2012 8:48 pm

my daughter’s teacher last year did NOT dress tzniusdikly
open tops and skirt not covering her knees properly
to top it all off,
we got pictures of the morah with her knees uncovered sent home in the weekly parsha paper
please morahs,
your students are looking up to you

i dont have kids
November 14, 2012 8:40 pm

Guess its ok for me to dress any way i want.

sorry ladies
November 14, 2012 8:28 pm

Moshe Rabeinu, The Alter Rebbe and Our Rebbe were all men.

Here's how to do it:
November 14, 2012 8:24 pm

I SOMETIMES HAVE THE URGE TO WALK UP TO SOME OF YOU AND ASK YOU ‘HOW MUCH YOU CHARGE’…

We should pay non-Jews to walk up to those who are dressed out of line and ask just that – innocently, as if they really are asking.

to #64
November 14, 2012 7:50 pm

Stop judging people. I really think you people seriously need to get lives.

seriously?
November 14, 2012 7:48 pm

i’m astounded at the number of misinformed people who seem to think that women are dressing to please their husbands. NEWSFLASH! women dress to impress other women, and they’ll dress the way they want to, regardless of what men want them to wear. it really isn’t about the fact that their husband like that they dress untznius, it’s that women themselves want to look good and for many of them it involves clothes that are not in accordance with halacha. and as for the long shaitles- pick your battles people! be glad they’re wearing shaitles and not tichels like a… Read more »

To #66
November 14, 2012 7:37 pm

A school that does not allow kids into school for any reasaon does this NOT in accordance with the Rebbe’s Shita. Story: (Rabbi Lustig can confirm). Years ago, OT wanted to enact a rule that any families that have TV’s would not allow to enroll their children in OT. The Rebbe was asked. He deferred to Rabbi Hodakov who ‘in matters of Chinuch had Hoirois from the Shver’. Rabbi Hodakov said that it was not the shita of the Frierdiker Rebbe to penalize kids for the actions (or inaction) of their parents. There was a time when, with the strong… Read more »

to #65
November 14, 2012 7:34 pm

“Parents should sign a tznius contract. In Williamsburg, parents have to sign they don’t have Internet. Yes they lie (I know people who have admitted (on Facebook!!!!!) they lie.”

I wouldn’t have believed it before but now I do.

To #64
November 14, 2012 7:32 pm

STOP
YELLING!

beatiful hartzige letter!
November 14, 2012 7:22 pm

Kan Tzivoh!

guys?
November 14, 2012 7:16 pm

notice how its signed by all guys? lol

bnos Menachem!
November 14, 2012 7:14 pm

Only allows kids in of mothers that dress tzniusdik! May all the schools do this, and more brochos will come upon our holy shchunah!
A shliach

AGAIN????
November 14, 2012 6:52 pm

1. Yada yada yada. Same old, different letter. 2. If they didn’t care & do the right thing till now, what makes you think they will after getting this letter? It will be in the garbage already. 3. Husbands ENCOURAGE “the look”. It goes with excessive mingling/fraternization between married couples. 4. If the schools expel students whose parents (women AND MEN!!!) don’t conform to certain dress codes, things might change. It’s not like in the old days…if a kid gets refused entry to Bais Rivkah, there are other choices. Just because the other two schools won’t accept such low standards… Read more »

ONLY MEN
November 14, 2012 6:48 pm

I AM A WOMAN IN CROWN HEIGHTS. YES, ONLY MEN SIGNED THIS LETTER, ONE REASON COULD BE BECAUSE THE WOMEN WHO CARE STARTING WITH ELLA LERMAN HAVE TALKED UNTIL THEY’RE BLUE IN THE FACE AND HAVE GOTTEN NOWHERE. YES, THE HUSBANDS OF THESE WOMEN ARE 100% AS GUILTY AS THEIR WIVES FOR NOT ONLY ALLOWING (AND MAYBE EVEN ENJOYING) THEIR WIVES TO WALK AROUND HALF DRESSED, BUT ARENT EVEN ASHAMED TO WALK IN THE STREETS WITH THEM ON SHABBOS WHILE WEARING A HAT, KAPOTE AND GARTEL. AS MUCH AS I AGREE WITH DRESSING NICELY, INCLUDING MY SHAITEL, I SEE THE… Read more »

to #59
November 14, 2012 6:40 pm

It’s really hard to tell men to keep out of this when they are the ones that set the guidelines and standards. I guess you just have to go along with it.

!!!!!
November 14, 2012 6:40 pm

I personally find the entire sintuation in ch pathetic, naaive stupid. …. Yes, it is true that we live in a challanging time.. the level of the generations has gone down to a level that is low. But if you think that a letter is going to change anything, it wont. I am so sorry to burst your bubble. Take it from a teenager (and although hard to believe, i think that in these kind of things, teenagers actually have more of a perspective…) It is absalouteley not going to help to write a letter begging ppl. bto dress apropriately.… Read more »

huh???
November 14, 2012 6:27 pm

why did boy schools sign?????i understand the girl schools but yeah doesnt rlly make sence

is it really your problem?
November 14, 2012 6:25 pm

im sure the women know what they’re wearing so doing this wont help y dont u pick a more important issue like dont judge peaple!

MEN
November 14, 2012 6:19 pm

…..keep out of this!!!

It’s a turnoff for women to be told by men how to dress.
and WOMEN.. don’t keep out of this… get involved… by dressing beautifully and with dignity (I can’t stand the word tzmius, I prefer the word discretion).

Join the lamplighters,YOU can change things.
November 14, 2012 5:52 pm

Influence over power.
Hollywood, internet, die falshe velt has the inflence now in too many homes.

One household at a time. Every yiddishe household is precious and pure Betzem.’
everyone can make small changes.
Change the source of influence in your home.
you will change your street, your neighborhood, your city, your world.

one street at a time.
start with your home.
and let the emes and tmimus without gaavah shine.

EVERYONE can take small steps, start today!! Only brochos will come from it bgashmius ubruchnius!
Rochel bas Chana

a true story
November 14, 2012 5:34 pm

a few years ago,there was a young couple,the wife was, a pity very untzinus,and yes we all saw,plus her husband,and yes he tried very hard,time went by,about a year,and there was a fire in there condo,the kitchen,it was really bad,thank g-d they got out a live,and then the wife became very tzinus,it’s a pity it has to happen that way

#47
November 14, 2012 5:26 pm

If Rabbis issued women to wear burkas majority will have to adhere to it without question. A lot of tolerant people out there.

vibes
November 14, 2012 5:23 pm

One of the solutuons I believe, is that if older parents and teachers would send their children
vibes that there is no such thing as “Nerdy”, you don’t have to dress in the latest fashion to be respected and honored, we would not see the problem we are seeing today.,

To #29
November 14, 2012 5:21 pm

What you say is correct, but also very cruel!! Do you think these relatives make them proud? Why pick on them in public? If they themselves were not Tznius, we have a right to say something, but unfortunately, people don’t have control of others, even their own children. Please be more sensitive to others before commenting.

#29
November 14, 2012 5:11 pm

If what you say is true and their own children do it then they are hypocrites.

beautiful
November 14, 2012 5:09 pm

Higia zman geulaseinu
Moshiach is very near
be prepared for the yom hagodol vehanorah!

Boys
November 14, 2012 5:01 pm

The BOYS in the hood are also dressing in an unacceptable fashion! The new style of tight fitting pants…. Those are from the “good families” And then occasionally you see some boys wearing low slung pants showing off undergarments!

Internal Issue
November 14, 2012 4:56 pm

The is an external response to an internal issue.
Tznius is a reflection of the inside. What has to change is the point of reference is it Hollywood/magazines/secular role models or our Torah. That is the issue. This must be addressed and it will take a generation. There are no band-aids solutions.

my principal
November 14, 2012 4:55 pm

thanks rabbi plotkin!

To #2
November 14, 2012 4:50 pm

BECAUSE TZNIUS IS THE FOUNDATION AND PREREQUISITE FOR HOLINESS IN A JEWISH HOME!
Look up rashi in parshas kedoshim. (Leviticus 19:2) – kedoshim teheyu.

burqas
November 14, 2012 4:50 pm

Maybe the women in crown heights should start wearing burqas?

mila
November 14, 2012 4:20 pm

the men see how there wives dress, so they are not complaining, and why do the men that wrote this letter assume that everyone that is not tzniis is a Labavitcher

and what about a Morah in CH schools????
November 14, 2012 4:15 pm

I think the teachers must also dress tzniusly outside of school. At Kaporas my granddaughter’s Morah came over to say hello and was clad in bare legs and a low cut neckline with her elbows in full view. My granddaughter goes to Bas Rivkah and is in the head start program. While in class she wears long skirts and is covered . When I saw her along with my daughter we were both very disappointed, I think this also must be addressed, it sure lowered my respect for her and her Chassidishkiet.

racgel
November 14, 2012 4:01 pm

why did they just send a letter to the women, the men see the way their wive and daughters dress , so it is not just the women, and the problem did not just start now, it has always been a problem in crown heights

They
November 14, 2012 3:58 pm

This Signs Shall be posted on the Kingston Beach

shay
November 14, 2012 3:53 pm

I agree with 29 and I am also so sick of tznius being the only “problem” in this community. How about sending out a letter about Ahavas Yisroel and Achdus? Please tell me how we can respect our leaders when they act the way they do. That is more untznius than my knees!!

....
November 14, 2012 3:50 pm

i am not bothering to read all the comments, but i believe that col plays a role in the lack of tznius….since women know that at any time they can be snapped pic of and posted online, they work harder to dress and impress and look good all the time…maybe that should stop.
listen to someone who knows, good luck.

a letter????
November 14, 2012 3:47 pm

how about some real time policies about the way parents come to the school area in the very least, regardless of the untzius person’s last name or bank account!!

Rabbi Newman?
November 14, 2012 3:43 pm

He’s right there, in the middle, on the bottom. But you forgot to list him in the article.

many men
November 14, 2012 3:37 pm

are actually very pained by how their wives dress – but their wives dont care- its more imp to them to to look this way then please their husbands.
a dignified man does not enjoy when his wife flaunts herself. its a breech in their marriage and totally cheapens it.

To 31
November 14, 2012 3:31 pm

“let”. Are you kidding me! The day a husband tells his wife he does not “alllow” her to do something…it will backfire.

There are other ways of ENCOURAGING tznius rather than salivating over a tight skirt, or encouraging to purchase a skirt that is just too short…because it looks good in the dressing room.

Instead something like… “wow, you look amazing! Too bad it’s too short…wow, it really does look so good on you.” That works on me. Find what works and go with it.

But please, let’s not talk about men “allowing” anything.

to #30
November 14, 2012 3:31 pm

It’s not a joke. All men signed. A women’s opinion doesn’t matter.

Funny #29.

Lets face it! - There is a tznioos crises in Crown Heights.
November 14, 2012 3:28 pm

I got the letter, and it is very good. I was not raised in the frum home, I am baalat teshuva. I have noticed in the past few years how so many girls and women change their tznioos levels in Crown Height: 1.Tichels and hats “sliding” back allowing much hair to be exposed on the streets. 2. Super long and fancy sheytels on a regular afternoon. 3. No stockings, and open sandals that show all exposed toes. 4. Skirts getting shorter and shorter, showing knees and above. 5. Husbands that accept it. Tznioot is also to protect us, especially when… Read more »

What about the Men
November 14, 2012 3:26 pm

Men should and must be included in this letter. This type of letter is what makes women aloof or angry toward the community and its moral and tznius standards.

oh well.......
November 14, 2012 3:14 pm

I agree that husbands must be very strong & not let their wives dress untznius’dig. Also mayb all frum schools should have a policy about how mothers havto be dressed if you want your child to attend a frum lubavitch school

um SERIOUSLY?
November 14, 2012 3:10 pm

ONLY MEN SIGNED THE LETTER
HAHA IS THAT A [email protected][email protected][email protected]#[email protected]#$%>@#!!

Yentee
November 14, 2012 3:08 pm

Number 15. Maybe she was rushing her kids to school. and left her skirt at home. I live in williamsburg and the tznius there isnt any better. Maybe your husbands look at other women. But my husband moisha layvi doesnt!

just donate and wear what you want
November 14, 2012 3:03 pm

dont worry ppl all you have to do is become a big donor and POOF all these restrictions are lifted. when i see some consistency in the way these schools are run i will take this letter seriously.

PS!
November 14, 2012 3:01 pm

I HAPPEN TO KNOW A COUPLE OF THE RELATIVES/KIDS OF THOSE PRINCIPALS
AND GEUSS WHAT..THOSE KIDS BARELY KEEP TZNIOUS THEMSELVES!

give me a break
November 14, 2012 2:59 pm

it’s a hard thing to do and i try but struggle.

I agree with #21
November 14, 2012 2:55 pm

Where are peoples priorities.

“Please get out of our closets.” First they have to clean out the skeletons.

The real problem...
November 14, 2012 2:47 pm

You all seem to be overlooking one tiny fact: Women dress in a way that their husbands like. Maybe we need to teach the MEN in our community that some things are better kept private…

agree with #10 and #23
November 14, 2012 2:45 pm

And it’s not just that…men also play a part in influencing how their wives dress. And, like marries like…. Men are an important part in preserving tznius. How about a chatan who doesn’t like curly sheitels and tight clothes? Or if all the bochurim out there only marry tznius girls, and insist that they STAY tznius? Etc. etc….

to # 10
November 14, 2012 2:42 pm

they are not judging or condemning anyone they are just reiterating what our holy rabbis and sages have taught us
and just by the way, not sure if you understood the last line of the letter doesn’t that make you feel good!!

agreed with #10
November 14, 2012 2:25 pm

theres a bigger issue here… when are the Rabbis going to come down on the men who dress fashionably and drive the latest foreign cars??? why only coming down on the women???

#10
November 14, 2012 2:25 pm

Tznuis does not mean excluding women from leadership positions. Yes it does.

“Shame…I personally find it offensive for men to sit in judgement of women without women being included. ”

What can you do about it, seriously?

Puzzled
November 14, 2012 2:23 pm

So, for tznius the schools can come together in achdus. There are more pressing issues than lecturing adult women to make them feel like 4 year olds. How about uniting to confront the dismal Crown Heights schools curriculum, uniting to provide better training for ALL teachers, not just those who care to show up to a seminar, uniting to teach proper Derech Eretz and provide a well rounded education to our children. How about uniting to provide options for the smarter students. There is a lot to be worked on, stop making tznius the main concern. Please get out of… Read more »

Achdus
November 14, 2012 2:23 pm

I would have appreciated the letter better if it stopped at Achdus. That would have been a nice proactive initiative the community can use. Why make everything about Tznius?

Kol hakovod
November 14, 2012 2:19 pm

Yisroel Kedoshim some people will certainly listen and help bring the geula

Nice letter
November 14, 2012 2:02 pm

Nice letter, but can I recommend that aside from a letter, the schools should put a zero tolerance policy in the schools. If they would crack down on all the parents and not allow them into the school buildings untzniusdik, parents may think twice when they get dressed in the morning. Once they are wearing their sheitel and tznius clothing, would it be worth it to go home and change, only to have to change again when picking up the kids? This will cause there to be more tzniusdike people on the streets. Mitoch sheloh lishma…

i say
November 14, 2012 2:01 pm

well well well maybe we should stop talking and looking at the women, and start looking some the men. i was walking sunday on a street, and a father was wating for his daughter to come off the bus. and what saw bothered me, the father was wereing light colored jeans and a pink shirt. that is just as bad as anything you see in bad tznus by women. or when you see men in the park wearing shorts, i am a runner and i never saw the real need to wear short pants. you may laugh, but men and… Read more »

Jewish and Chassidish Pride
November 14, 2012 1:57 pm

Letters can be written
students can be smitten
principals can scream
Teachers can dream

As long as there is pride in what we do
our students and parents will feel it too
They will dress accordingly
Proud to be Chassidim of the Rebbe and a Jew!

(Why oh why are Men writing a letter about women?)

amerika iz nisht andresh
November 14, 2012 1:51 pm

#10 assume your married ,assume your husband says Eishis Chayel… Kol Bas Melech …..
That is precisely the problem…. Yes Men …. RABBI’S actually signed it… since when do you “LADIES”..think you have to sign everything… run for Vad Hakol..
If you did your job… and be true Yiddshe Mamehs we wouldnt have this problem….
CHILDREN NEED MOTHERS AT HOME…..NOT POLITICIANS

a shandeh
November 14, 2012 1:50 pm

B”H The level of tznius in our community is an outrage to Chabad. I am sick and tired of seeing women’s erva, and red polished toe nails. All I want to do is do my Erev Shabbos grocery shopping in peace without covering not only my eyes but the eyes of my innocent kinderlach. The level of tznius has dropped tremendously it’s appalling. Doesn’t anyone wear tights anymore?! Yesterday I walked into Bunch O’ Bagels for my morning boost. I went in line and a lady standing in front of me forgot her skirt at home!!! Hide your kids, hide… Read more »

Ari Gold
November 14, 2012 1:46 pm

I didn’t even read the letter, but i guess the letter was all signed by men right?

To#3
How naive you. Of course women are singled out. And, is there something wrong with the way men dress?

beautiful
November 14, 2012 1:45 pm

May all that adhere to this letter be blessed

thank you to those involved
November 14, 2012 1:43 pm

may it make an active visual change

Why are only men signing the letter?
November 14, 2012 1:36 pm

Why are our women leaders not signing the letter-Mrs. Tecihtel, Mrs. Gurwitz just to name a few.Tznuis does not mean excluding women from leadership positions.
Shame…I personally find it offensive for men to sit in judgement of women without women being included.
Let’s not be Taliban….

kingston ave
November 14, 2012 1:00 pm

Indent paragraphs in the letter. They forgot that.
Otherwise, great letter. Its like walking into a fashion show walking down Kingston Ave.

PEOPLE CAN CHANGE
November 14, 2012 12:52 pm

We commend the Mosdos for taking a stance. People will take it to heart. Keep up the good work and keep on sending the community messages. You make a difference BE”H.

very nice
November 14, 2012 12:45 pm

written very nice and aidel!

Such a nice letter!
November 14, 2012 12:36 pm

Hope to see “REAL INTERNAL” change soon

Boruch N. Hoffinger
November 14, 2012 12:33 pm

Dear # 1…unfortunately, you might be right.
Beautiful letter…very beautiful and true.
‘The fish stinks from the head down.’
Somebody, nobody, is to blame for the problem with our ‘beis din.’
When things straighten out there, perhaps this will have a salutary and healing affect on our community?

Proper Yiddish!
November 14, 2012 12:31 pm

It is “De” Velt – not “Der” velt…!

Great start -- MEN included in same letter!?!?
November 14, 2012 12:28 pm

These are all true —
However, looks like women are being singled out .

Husbands and men have been tolerating it for years, and it’s of extreme importance that it’s not a one-sided responsibility. Sure, women are of utmost priority, here, but for BEST results, there should be at least a few lines included to hold men to a certain set of standards in the SAME letter, as well!

Beautiful
November 14, 2012 12:18 pm

What a beautiful letter and incredible initiative.

But what a slanted way to report it collive…

So sad
November 14, 2012 12:15 pm

What has become of Chabad.
Problem is the people who don’t keep the halachos of tznius will not be affected by a letter or anything written by people they consider nerds and close minded or way too frum.

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