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    Politics Aside This Past Shabbos

    From the COLlive inbox: A Crown Heights resident shares his thoughts after spending this past Shabbos at the Rebbe's Ohel. Full Story

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    Wow, such a nice article you should mention your full name, nothing to be embarrassed of.

    Wow
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    Wow

    I applaud those ehrlicher lubavitch yidden who make such a kiddush lubavitch and have such middos which make an impression never to be forgotten.

    inspired
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    inspired

    thank you for sharing. as an “out of towner” i feel alone in regard to 3 tammuz. my children are young and i worry abut the future for them. thank you for your inspiration, your positivity and encouragement!
    may we merit to see the Rebbe b’gashmius and leave our worries behind.

    beautiful!!
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    beautiful!!

    for once a beautiful, nice, up-beat article!!! no demeaning or bringing down other yidden.
    thank you and shkoiach!!!
    please stop yourself from commenting negative thoughts.

    dont buy it
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    dont buy it

    I “smell agenda all over your article. I dont buy your story. there are pleanty of chasidisher people in ch well over a thousand. before this shabbos you didint know there are bochurim who get smicha and dayonus… business men whomlearn and go on mivtzoim??? As I try not to judge you I wounder maybe your are very naive and dont visit 770 and you hear “bad” and false matters about crow heightsers and than you went to the ohel and… so what YOU can learn is not to listen to Loshon Hora and be a real chosid come to… Read more »

    politics aside?
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    politics aside?

    just funny to me that after starting off with such a beautiful title you go and contradict yourself by addressing the ‘tzfatis’ as one of the ‘ills’ of lubavitch. maybe you do not consider yourself to be part of those that think ill of them but you need to be accountable for everything you say

    :) :) :)
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    :) :) :)

    I second your sentiments, i had a very similar experience last year, IT WAS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.

    agree
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    agree

    I experience the same, every time I spend a Shabbos at the ohel too.

    crown heights
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    crown heights

    Enjoyed what u wrote – the positivity. But why make CH sound like a bad place?

    Yossi A
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    Yossi A

    Agree with #5. Sorry but I don’t buy your well written letter.

    Wow!
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    Wow!

    Nice article.
    Now we will go to Gimmel Tammuz with going this Monday night to the Achdus Kinus for us all to be united and see our Rebbe for one hour!
    The right way to come in to the holy day of Gimmel Tamuz.

    to num 5
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    to num 5

    First of all no one cares if you “buy” it. who r you? Second of all no one said in 770 there isn’t cassidishe peaple There r prob more there, then anywere (prob). Its just that in 770 all I see (yes I know Your gonna say is who m I) and I’m sure other peaple do, is tsfatim going nuts and politics being spoken about. on the other hand by the ohel whens the last time you saw peaple going nuts? I’m there at least once a month for shabbos and I can tell you that all is good… Read more »

    #5,6&9
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    #5,6&9

    I agree.

    Words well put
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    Words well put

    Yes, it was a very inspirational Shabbos, and it was hard to leave!
    Thanks to all the organizers for making it happen!!!

    Toshav Crown Heights 60 yrs plus
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    Toshav Crown Heights 60 yrs plus

    The Rebbe gave us a gift , no other kehilla has . We are a part of him , we are the only community that has a 5 sq mile of Chabad chassidim neighborhood. We are growing as of the last count we are 51 shuls and growing BH . We are proud to host thousands of yidden from all corners of the world at all times of the year , shiurim , torah classes , inspirational gatherings are constantly available to those who want to learn, I do not find the tzinius problem at all , in fact ,… Read more »

    770?
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    770?

    IM HAPPY TO HEAR YOU HAD A GOOD TIME
    JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND
    GOING TO THE OHEL ON SHABBOS IS GOING TO THE REBBE?
    CHASSIDIM ALWAYS KNOW THAT GOING TO 770 IS GOING TO THE REBBE
    IM NOT KNOCING IM JUST SAYING

    the rebbe says...
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    the rebbe says...

    Not to go to the ohel or shabbos…

    So True
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    So True

    While from the outside it may look like Lubavitch is falling apart Ch”V. At the core there are many Chassidishe Bochurim and families, and while it is true that they can be found everywhere (as per comment #5) at The Ohel it is much more apparent being that for some reason the place doesn’t attract as much trash as most other Lubavitch concentrations.

    very well put
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    very well put

    and to “dont buy it”. You don’t need to buy it. All it takes is going once and seeing if there is anything there as he describes and then you can make your own assessment of the experience you had. If it’s too toxic an idea for you to go to the ohel for a shabbos, then gezunterheit, stay home. Though 770 is a tremendous kli for kedusha, when you spend shabbos in Crown Heights, you’re at home having a mundane experience and for a few hours you go to daven/farbreng in 770. But then you go back to your… Read more »

    Thank you
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    Thank you

    as a bochur learning in 770 and having spent one shabbos at the ohel recently i completely agree with you

    very well written and right on point, politics aside it is a really nice place to spend shabbos

    just asking
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    just asking

    are you supposed to be at the ohel on shabbos?
    its pretty clear your not supposed to.
    please correct me, but did the rebbe ever stay there for shabbos? yud shvat etc?

    Thank You
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    Thank You

    Until we are iyh very soon we will be reunited with our Rebbe,for me the ohel for Shabbos is one place you feel close to the Rebbe and the achdus of chassidim

    Thank you Abba Refson for making all this availabe for all of us,

    Agree
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    Agree

    As a Bochur who was there for the first time as well, I 100% agree.

    Breadth of fresh air
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    Breadth of fresh air

    Great article. People in CH need to be held accountable for allowing the Rebbe’s shul to become infested with insane behavior. Just look at the video being displayed around the world of “Lubavitchers” receiving kos shel bracha this past Shavuos. When will our community leaders step up to the plate and defend the Rebbe’s kavod ? A Shabbos at the Ohel is a great retreat, but not the solution to a growing problem.

    Seriously
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    Seriously

    This has “agenda” written all over it.
    Mention of Tzfatim, slogans etc make the nice writing and the good and true points void.

    To 21.
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    To 21.

    The Rebbe did not spend Shabbos in many places that we do. The Rebbe did not spend the summer in the country or went for a vacation to Miami etc. nevertheless we do. we do not know the reason for the Rebbes hanhogos, so we should not impose those on others based on our own interpetations. As long as its a positive experience for a chosid that will enhance his hiskashrus to the Rebbe, I doubt the Rebbe cares where this takes place, so for those who feel they can connect better at the Ohel good for them and those… Read more »

    Seriously.
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    Seriously.

    IF YOU HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY
    DON’T SAY IT.
    No one is interested.
    You are not helping things.

    Mundane
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    Mundane

    Maybe if more fathers would not look upon the holy work of being mechanech their children , or spending time with their families as mundane … we would collectively look a whole lot better…

    To #25
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    To #25

    What “agenda” does this have?

    Is it not true about the Tzfatim, slogans etc…?

    Crown Heighters have abandoned 770 many many years ago because of the Tzfatim (violence), slogans etc… So many shuls, over 40 since 5754 (1994) have opened, why is that?

    I take it you’ve never been to the Ohel for Shabbos and therefore wouldn’t really have a full any idea as to what is being written above true or not. I suggest you go to the Ohel for Shabbos and taste for yourself and then come back here and write your comments.

    totally agree with 5 and 6
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    totally agree with 5 and 6

    and not to be negative, but not so surprising the lack of politics, when you only have “one side” of the relatively like-minded people there!

    what a beautiful letter
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    what a beautiful letter

    thank you for sharing…. amash ashreinu ma tov chelkeinu. how lucky we are so see the emes. I wish i could have been there… unfortunately there are people that are stuck in mud and dont know how to get out of it. what i mean by that is that they dont realise how much theyre ffoling themselves my saying “im not an ohel guy”. ver bistu???? ohel guy??? u go to the rebbe. noones saying u DONT go to 770. 770 is the place where the rebbe was begahmius for years, and thats why we go and daven and learn… Read more »

    what???????
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    what???????

    shabos at the ohel?????
    770 is the place to b!!!!!!!!!
    its our bais hamikdash take advantage and focus on the good stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    TRASH Shame on you
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    TRASH Shame on you

    18 How dare you call any yid Trash????
    And you want to tell anybody that you care about what the Rebbe wanted. He is definitely not what you think!!! The Rebbe is absolutely in 770 loving caring taking care of every single yid, no matter where or what he looks like! Shame on you NO 18

    agree with the others
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    agree with the others

    you yourself are pushing an agenda by painting certain groups as having no agenda.
    If people are really totally involved in the right things with no hint of politics you won’t have to write about it, people will see for themselves

    to # 16
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    to # 16

    the rebbe always went to the ohel to go to his rebbe after yud shvat, and we do the same after gimmel tammuz (unless there was no gimmel tammuz for you ) then i cant argue with you

    to # 5 and everyone with the agenda
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    to # 5 and everyone with the agenda

    all he said was the greatness of the ohel, and yes unfortunately CH is going down, i would say there are alot less then 1000 true chassidishe FRUM people left in CH

    to shalom b
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    to shalom b

    to the writer of the article
    you should have just wrote you had a good time. thats it.
    even if i know its wrong to be there for shabbos,if you write you had a good time and thats it, im happy for you
    for all the haters, enough allready!!!
    everyone knows and agrees the only place is 770. only cuz of the helem v’hester some people were at the ohel.
    besras hashem it should be the last time you ever have to go there again.amen!!!

    Seriously
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    Seriously

    Unfortuantely there is behavior and a ruach imposed by some in 770 that is m’rachake many of Anash. The attitude of those individuals is that if someone is uncomfortable with it that’s their problem. It’s tragic and sad that this is what’s become of the Rebbe’s daled amos R”L.

    to #35
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    to #35

    very wrong
    the rebbe didnt go for shabbos
    and true my 3 tammuz is way different than yours

    against
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    against

    …such bias against the (so called) “tsfatim”.

    to 25
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    to 25

    even if this article is 100 percent filled with “agenda” (which i doubt but anyway) the points are all true, sadly too true. the rebbes shul and lubavitch world headquarters has sadly been invaded by a force of uneven minded individuals chock full of “agenda” who have succssesfully transformed a beacon of holiness into a den of psychotic, deranged, individuals. spouting nonsense, sparking conflict, and making a whole lot of unwanted noise in general. contrary to this you have the ohel, a successfully managed, clean organized facility, with a aura of peace and holiness pervading the center. you cant blame… Read more »

    to 41
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    to 41

    Gut gezucket. Well said.

    to #9: "why make CH sounds like a bad place"
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    to #9: "why make CH sounds like a bad place"

    Crown Heights is a joke in the eyes of the… …rabbonim world (3 members of Badatz don’t talk or recognize each other, a corrupt Crown Heights Bais Din, a CHK kashrus that is constantly challenged) …askanus world (inactive community council, a netzigim that almost noone wants to be a part of) …politics (different and competing people claiming to represent the community) …police (people freely massering on each other) …frum world (our tznius situation is way worse than other neighborhoods) …mosdos (incompetence and maybe even corruption in the administration of our schools) …business (we shop in our neighborhoods instead of supporting… Read more »

    Sholom
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    Sholom

    one can find Chassididse Yiddin everywhere, in nearly every community where Anash live. There are places which are blessed with a higher proportion, however no one should dis pare, if we want we will find those to guide us.

    TO EVERY SINGLE COMMENT..................
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    TO EVERY SINGLE COMMENT..................

    YECHI ADONAYNU MORAYNU VERABAYNU MELECH HAMOSHIACH LEOYLUM VAED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE SICHA THE REBBE HAD IN THE BACK OF HIS SIDDER WAS A SICHA ON HOW THE REBBE IS IN 770! AND IN SHEMOS CHOF VOV THE REBBE PROVES HOW HES ALIVE WITH US IN A PHYSICAL BODY SO GOING TO THE OHEL ON GIMMEL TAMUZ IS DOING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE REBBE SAID AND WANTS YOU TO DO. YECHI HAMELECH

    to # 39
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    to # 39

    do you do and not do everything the rebbe did and didnt do? he said to go to the ohel for his rebbe and we go for ours that was a lesson for us if he went on monday’s and thursdays we can still go on sunday and fridays. PS where it says that we do not go to a cemetery on shabbos, yom tov, chol hamoed, hoshana raba & rosh chodesh does not apply for tzadikim as the rebbe told a few people that tzadikim are there all year long and you can go anytime and the rebbe himelf… Read more »

    Halevay
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    Halevay

    haleviy i could go to the ohel CH is beareble, i was bearly there but all that atracted me was davning in 770 (davning ONLY)

    TO 37
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    TO 37

    EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT R”L WERE AT THE OHEL HOPEFULLY KNOW THAT IT SHOULD BE THE LAST TIME.

    To #26
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    To #26

    Gut Gezogt! Nicely said!

    To # 47
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    To # 47

    Do you you think that shouting by using upper case letters makes your mindless mantra more believable?

    Very nice
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    Very nice

    There is alot of truth to what your saying and the ohel is also a nice place to spend shabbos, but…….. Why do you call it “going to the Rebbe”? Going to Beis Rabeinu is going to the Rebbe

    #46
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    #46

    ARE YOU FOR REAL?
    NEVER WENT ON SHABBOS AND YOM TOV

    to all of you that say the ohel is not a place to be:
    Guest
    to all of you that say the ohel is not a place to be:

    im sure everyone that went to the ohel has been in 770 as well but you people have never been at the ohel so you cant say anything! so shut up!! there is not one person that said that at the ohel there was nothing but pple that have been in 770 say that all that thay see is pple going wild etc… so go to the ohel and taste for your self!!!!.

    the equalizer
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    the equalizer

    why go to the ohel to daven on shabbosthe rebbe davened and farbrenged in 770 for over 40 years, if that is not good enough,you have problems.

    # 45
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    # 45

    If you think that the Rebbe,ZY”A is in a physical body you belong in either Bellview or Kings County G Building.
    Gimmel Tammuz is his yohrtzeit,Yom Hilula & he is in the same place where the Freidiker Rebbe,ZY”A is namely the Ohel!!!!

    Sorry # 47.This comment was directed at # 45
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    Sorry # 47.This comment was directed at # 45

    Do you you think that shouting by using upper case letters and over the top usage of exclamation points makes your mindless mantra more believable?

    Politics or hiskashrus?
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    Politics or hiskashrus?

    The most important thing is to be connected to G-d and the Rebbe and to be a better Chosid

    It does not make a difference where that physically is achieved (obviously in permissible places)

    So don’t pour cold water on someone who goes somewhere to be inspired, just because of Your political view (kabal daati or else…)

    The Baal shem tov davened in the forest and R’ Zusia and R’ Elimelech served G-d even in a cell full of garbage.

    missing the point
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    missing the point

    The ohel is an inspiring energizing [transient] chassidishe community when it gets filled with hundreds of anash a dozen or so shabbosim a year. Most people there daven in the tent and don’t step foot into the cemetery, Going to the Ohel doesnt mean that you are spending shabbos visiting the tzion (even those who daven at the ohel, it’s at the candle room, they don’t step foot near the kever), it means you are spending shabbos NEAR the tzion with many Chassidishe bochurim and anash. So forget the ohel, it’s spending shabbos in Cambria Heights. If you’re cambria- heightsophobic,… Read more »

    nice to say
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    nice to say

    if u don’t have something nice to say…
    then say it in Yiddish!

    TO 59
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    TO 59

    MAH KESHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    To everyone
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    To everyone

    Let every one have is free choise, if you fill moor connected to the rabbi in 770 perfect, if you fill connected to the rabbi in the hoel is olso good. the most importent think is not to talk bad on anader juw we all “am echad” “vhaavta lereacha kamocha”

    to #43
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    to #43

    Don’t forget the education world

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