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Interesting
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Interesting

Interesting that some folks are troubled by YAFFED’s efforts enough to publicly demonstrate against them. Kinda shoots themselves in the foot, increasing the publicity of the matter. While on the topic and penning my thoughts, I”ll add – While it’s true if a parent sends their child to a school that doesn’t teach basics like English and Math, they are saying they endorse an education without it, it’s also true that a school that doesn’t teach those basics, and parents who don’t ensure their children are getting those basics, are violating the law of the land. You can’t have it… Read more »

Our education is amazing for success
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Our education is amazing for success

The fact is that the discipline of going to a minyan, Gemora and Mivtzoyim is amazing training for business law and sales.

To #1
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To #1

A-the schools pay for their own school & B- change the law. C- (Obviously you wont change the law because then you can’t fight the frum community).C – there are hundreds of frum schools that teach Jewish & secular studies obviously parents choose to send them to these schools. Bottom line stop fighting a fight for people who did not ask you and don’t want you to.

To #1
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To #1

If the Govt would pay the $30,000 a year per child they pay for P.S. than we can talk about them having A say regarding the curriculum.

Last I checked there are plenty of Yeshivas that have solid secular programs.

The Rebbe is opposed to having secular studies
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The Rebbe is opposed to having secular studies

Thats why Rabbi Michoel Tietelbaum opened up Ohelei Torah because the Rebbe said that there should be a school that only teaches Limudei Kodesh so he opened and started with a few students in a small room and eventually it became the massive school that it is now.
it is true that the Rebbe gave advice about schools with limudei chol (for example the the day should always start with Limudei Kodesh) but that was for situations where for whatever reason it wouldn’t work to have only Limudei Kodesh. In general Lubavitch schools should only be having Limudei Kodesh.

US is a free country
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US is a free country

Everyone should be able to make their own choices for their own children, not some government bureaucrat that thinks he knows best.

Number 2
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Number 2

That is correct to a point. Coming on time to minyan and such teaches disipline. But landing a well paying job requires in my opinion much more then that!

Relax
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Relax

I am sure they learn basic English. If it’s up to regents level, I don’t know. .
But personally speaking I think in CH we spend to much time on english, history, etc.. Instead of yiddish, and religious topics!!

They aren't just going after Lubavitch schools
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They aren't just going after Lubavitch schools

It would affect even modern orthodox schools that don’t believe in ‘teaching to the test’

big  question
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big question

since when do all public school graduates land big jobs – it is just a stepping stone to college then masters or PhD programs. anyone who gets a ged qualifies the second is that I can tell you I know both worlds. I was in k-12 public school – one of the finest in the country. I chose to put my kids at great personal expense in parochial school as surprise surprise most of my classmates did? why? because parochial school teaches our kids that the world doesn’t revolve around them and they have a Higher power they must listen… Read more »

to # 5
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to # 5

Yes, the rebbe, supposedly endorsed and supported R. Teitelbaum’s Oholei torah and its non-secular stance, but the rebbe’s school.= achiei and tomchei tmimim lubavicth and
they have secular studies. So to say the rebbe was opposed to secular studies, seems kinda ridiculous.

One could say he strongly pushed the notion that jewish studies should be given priority.

Reply to 1
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Reply to 1

What is the government’s criteria for a school? The last I checked, religion is a protected class meaning discrimination against religious Schools is unlawful the same way a car rental agency is not allowed to discriminate against a religious person. The Federal constitution does not mention anywhere anything about separation of church and state, all it says is that the government must not endorse a specific religion. Supporting all religions is certainly not an endorsement of a specific religion. So if the government is giving public funding to everyone in public and charter schools, by what right are they allowed… Read more »

Number 7
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Number 7

Are you saying all that you learn in school/yeshiva is to come on time to a minyan? Obviously you haven’t observed what a Yeshiva produces. Aside from thousands of shluchim and Jewish leaders there are plenty of very wealthy Yeshiva graduates. And in the satmar community in particular there are plenty of wealthy businessmen. Moshiach now!

BUSYBODIES
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BUSYBODIES

The most important part of a child’s education is the love and care he receives from his teachers, followed closely by good middos, love of learning, and discipline. The rest will come later; I personally know (as do we all) loads of frum men and women who got degrees (and make good money) after Yeshiva. YAFFED needs to look at the raging dumpster fire that is the American public school system, and lay off the Yeshivos.

Dear yeshivas... Dear community
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Dear yeshivas... Dear community

I also disagree with the left on baisicly everything, however I do realize an interesting pattern which is: when you don’t deal with real issues and problems, when you don’t take the initiative lechatchila hashem sends the left to keep you on your toes.

diservice
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diservice

As a person with many years of secular education, I can attest that my parents did a disservice to me by sending me to those schools who poisoned me soul in many different ways. Halevai I have had the privilege of studying al pi tahara!!

The Future
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The Future

The current secular education is geared toward training young people how to be an effective cog in the big machine. Problem is, in 5 years from now all the “cog” type jobs will be outsourced to the Far-East or Eastern Europe. It is the ones who learn to think outside the box and approach issues from multiple dimensions who will succeed. There is no better training for this type of thinking than Gemorah and Chasidus.

Berel
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Berel

The Regents curriculum is increasingly evil. Right, Evil. It’s repetitive and message focused, a process normally associated with what we call brain washing. Ecology and Biology is focused on ingraining the kids with the idea of Earth’s ‘maximum carrying capacity’ and the moral imperative not to have many if any children r’l. Everything soft is minority focused. So called Transgender-ism is a thing. A new history curriculum is in the works and should be complete by 2019, it’s so much a revolution over the past curriculum that in the interim 2018, while the new was being worked on but before… Read more »

Grateful We left
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Grateful We left

To #8. Too much time. Not to. Guess no secular education? Try to send out a resume with mispelling. Teach the basics.

Go do your homework...
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Go do your homework...

I am not the type to comment, but something must be clarified here. Sadly, we have countless people like @11 who – consciously or subconsciously – think that secular studies is the Jewish and Lubavitch norm. The Rebbe spoke numerous times in strong terms about the irrelevance of secular studies (prominently: Simchas Torah 5715 and 10 Shvat 5737). The Rebbe said clearly that the ONLY REASON that some Lubavitch schools offer it was in order to save those souls that would otherwise end up in public schools (12 Tammuz 5717). The Rebbe’s explanation for parnassa was NOT that Gemara helps… Read more »

Response to 11
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Response to 11

Incorrect. Achei Temimim is the Rebbe Rayatz’s mosdos and the Rebbe clearly stated numerous times that those mosdos that belong to the Rebbe Rayatz, the Rebbe will not touch, but the mosdos that opened afterwards the Rebbe always pushed that they should be al taharas hakoidesh, without any secular studies whatesoever. When circumstances prevent it, then one can do what needs to be done. Otherwise, however, obviously it is better not to have limudei chol, and it is worth fighting for and having mesiras nefesh over.

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