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Pain During Kapparos Isn’t Mitzvah

Israel's new Chief Rabbi David Lau said that mistreatment of chickens during kapparos constitutes a mitzva performed through committing a sin. Full Story

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there are other ways.
September 9, 2013 3:42 am

you could arrange massive bus convoys to a local chicken farm prepared for the purpose and shecht them there early in the morning. It takes money, but might be more educational. That’s often what they did in the old days too, except you bought the chicken and brought it (personally) to a shochet, or the shochet camped outside of the farm and handled the shechita for all the chickens. the mistreatment of the chickens isn’t necessary, and it, as lau said, assur. (whether in a packing plant, or erev yom kippur.) it also renders many of the chickens traif, whether… Read more »

to # 13
September 8, 2013 4:38 am

You are right, I am sorry. I meant the videos (or pic) of the Shechita.

Some thing in between
September 7, 2013 11:22 pm

We could make a pshoro we could make sure to only carry one chicken at a time

John
September 4, 2013 3:13 am

do it the way its done in melbourne each chicken has its own individual cardboard box

To #8 & 9
September 3, 2013 10:35 pm

Correct you are. The protests have nothing to do with chickens and everything to do with religion. Unless you raise your own chickens, “cage free chickens” and “grass-fed free-range cattle” are being tossed around just like your kapporos bird; no sense in getting excited about one while eating the other.

Thank you Rabbi Lau
September 3, 2013 10:07 pm

Mistreatment of animals is absolutely contrary to Jewish law. And that goes for Kapparot, factory farms or any other method whereby God’s creatures are harmed for profit in the name of Kashrut. A big, yashar koach to Rabbi Lau. We’re supposed to be a light unto nations and it’s great to hear some of our Torah leaders speak out against cruelty.

To #10
September 3, 2013 9:53 pm

S/he will ask his father why he doesn’t use chickens, and his father will explain to him the concept of tzar bal lchaim. The child will be proud of his father whose sensitivity to other living creatures overrides any social pressures, and the child will be a healthier, smarter and better person because of it.

This is why
September 3, 2013 9:45 pm

I do Kaparos on money and join the PETA group on Kingston Ave. It’s disgusting how many of the Crown Heights people mistreat the chickens.

To #10
September 3, 2013 9:37 pm

Nothing will happen. Especially when the father will explain the reasons why they do it with money.

yashar koach rabbi lau
September 3, 2013 6:00 pm

what a bright future for the chief rabbinate!

My whole family
September 3, 2013 5:16 pm

We all do Kaparos with Money! I can’t stand to see what the chickens go through.

To #7
September 3, 2013 5:07 pm

Really , you saw a vid of The Rebbe circling the chick around his head?

I've been using money for years
September 3, 2013 4:12 pm

I refuse to use a chicken…

7 is lying
September 3, 2013 2:13 pm

There is no video of the Rebbe doing kaporos because it done in private in his room. The Rebbe only came out for the shchita.

#3 your treading on dangerous ground
September 3, 2013 1:50 pm

thats a very slippery slope.
what will your kids think when all the other father do one way and you do it different?

Just wondering...
September 3, 2013 1:37 pm

Are chickens treated any better on their way to and at the slaughterhouses, kosher or non-kosher, where much larger volume of chickens are being porcessed daily? I doubt it. There’s a wholesale operation in CH (East New York Ave. between Kingston and Brooklyn) that sells live chickens to restaurants in Chinatown and elsewhere. Are those chickens getting any better treatment than the kaparos chickens? Kaparos is achas b’shana, and they operate daily, has PETA ever shown up there even once to protest? It’s only a 5 to 10 minute walk from kaparos on Eastern Parkway or President St… The PETA… Read more »

chickens on farms
September 3, 2013 1:36 pm

i was raised on a chicken farm. where when emptying a barn of chickens they are always picked up by the wings or sometimes even legs three to four chickens in each hand. They are then put into those small cages which are pilled up on top of each other on a flatbed of a truck and brought to a slaughter house. it is impossible to feed or water them along the way. The concerns about these issues are simply part of the industrial process of modern commerical chicken farming and not isolated to kapporus. so if you dont like… Read more »

# 4 is right!
September 3, 2013 1:19 pm

Looking at a video of the Rebbe doing Kaporos, I can clearly see the respectful way he handles and holds the chicken, gently circling it around his head. Many of us are manhandling and hurting these animals during Kaporos, causing them unnecessary pain and suffering. Aside from the Aveira of Tzar Balei Chaim, it shows on a lack of respect and dignity for life and Hashems creations (which perhaps is one of the intents with the prohibition of Tzabl”ch).

They ARE mistreated.
September 3, 2013 12:18 pm

There is something called Tza’ar Ba’alei Chayim. Apparently those who run Kapparos do not care much for that.

I don’t agree with radical PETA loons, but in this case we are indeed mistreating the chickens.

Citizen Berel
September 3, 2013 12:12 pm

My tatty told me that there were in the past chief Rabbis and even not chief rabbis what would write these things called teshuvos in which they would describe and support their decisions using halachic sources. And then other rabbis — not even chief rabbis!–would analyze them and decide whether or not they agreed. And sometimes they would even respond. In writing!

And then simple citizen, like Citizen Berel, could go to his rabbi–who isn’t a chief rabbi–and ask him for an opinion.

Mimish
September 3, 2013 12:11 pm

The Rebbe did not hold the chicken by the wings, He used to put his hands around the chicken and hold the wings in place. the picture shown with the article is an example on how not to do it,The chicken is uncomfortable and oftrnthisis how the wings break aking it treif.

Thank you, Rabbi Lau
September 3, 2013 10:31 am

I use money instead of a chicken every year because of the way the chickens in Crown Heights are treated. They’re crammed into crates where they bake in the sun for hours without food or water. Young bachurim are in charge of moving the crates around, and they regularly drop full crates of chickens from a height of several feet. The chickens are missing half of their feathers for who-knows-why. Kaparos done on a treif chicken is invalid. I eat meat and am not against using chickens for kaparos, but I don’t support the way I’ve seen it done in… Read more »

Jewish customs observer.
September 3, 2013 10:09 am

‘Repenting one’s sins’ can also mean being most particular with all the wonderful customs of old including doing Kapporos with a chicken. Remember chickens were made for man not the reverse. Of course be careful too not to harm the chicken.

lol
September 3, 2013 10:08 am

just like the protestors!

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