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    Outrage Over Lewd Purim Party

    An "Arabian" Purim party organized by Crown Heights businesses and Instagram personalities featured improper female dancers. Full Story

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    Why does collive find it ok to put up pictures from ner yishmael and not from this event
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    Why does collive find it ok to put up pictures from ner yishmael and not from this event
    Good for you!
    Guest
    Good for you!

    Finally someone in this community taking a stand! I would come to your restaurant now just to show you I support you! We need more statements like this.

    How sad
    Guest
    How sad

    Why would anyone do this especially on such a holy day ?

    RESPECT FOR COLLIVE!!!
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    RESPECT FOR COLLIVE!!!

    I’m glad to see that you guys actually put this article out. There are those who will sweep it under the carpet, or say it’s ok…
    I’m really impressed the staff of col addressed this issue, in this day & age, many websites won’t post such articles.
    Thanks for not letting us down.
    #RESPECT4COL

    What's wrong already
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    What's wrong already

    It is much better that this was done at a Jewish venue seeing most of these people would have gone to a non-jewish one instead. Well done, to the organizers of the event. We need more kosher bars and kosher clubs around.

    Why?
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    Why?

    Why post all the names? Especially since it wasn’t their fault. Of course places, parties and sites should be careful, including ads including background pictures. Poshut

    I was there
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    I was there

    The bellly dancer was dressed very tznious.

    Thank you COL
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    Thank you COL

    Thank you COL for representing the true Chabad community in your views and articles posted. This is Crown Heights and this is Lubavitch, those that do not tolerate and promote such events although many these days are and it is understandably tough to stand apart.

    They all have to suffer the consequences
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    They all have to suffer the consequences

    The restaurant should be held accountable and people have to boycott this and all brands involved
    I personally don’t care if those people go to clubs and do what ever they want to do but don’t bring Purim into this

    Five Towns
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    Five Towns

    I guess ner yisroel is gan Eden compared to crown heights.

    Good but
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    Good but

    Good to mention this so that people are warned. But mentioning the organizers’ names, especially since some had no idea about the major problem, isn’t necessary.

    Wonder
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    Wonder

    What brings more pain to the Rebbe, this or Baltimore?
    People we have to do Teshuvah!

    How SAD )-:
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    How SAD )-:

    B”H This is only my opinion what I’m going to write; Every time Frum Yiddum try to do things like non religious Yiddum or goyum this is the problems that are going to ALWAYS happen. THEIR IS NO SUCH THING AS A HASIDISHY SOCIAL CLUB. In my opinion if does not exist and never could exist. If Yiddum G-d, forbid want to attend events like this I FEEL THST they shouldn’t associate them with the Chabad comunity. I feel people are better off G-d forbid just going straight to social club, strip bar or discotheques just like they have iin… Read more »

    Lost it
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    Lost it

    If anyone justifies this event it is because they have truly lost any sensitivity….Belly dancer!!!! Men and woman lying around smoking seriously what next

    No suprise here
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    No suprise here

    Look at the way the owners of the mentioned sponsors dress and you won’t be suprised either.

    We need to pull these establishments out of our midst. And the owners should be frowned upon.

    And it’s very difficult to believe that the owners of Bison have clean hands.

    They knew very well what was going on.

    טו באב
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    טו באב

    They were celebrating this special yomtov a few months early.

    Not surprised
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    Not surprised

    As soon as i saw names of the organisers I wasn’t surprised.

    To number 7
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    To number 7

    It’s great she was tznius and that people are celebrating Purim but is it really tznious to dance in front of men?

    To #12
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    To #12

    You are correct. This is much more painful to the Rebbe than Baltimore. And to those asking why mention the names: Why not? They need to be boycotted. Such shameful behavior.

    To #5
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    To #5

    I totally agree! Get with it – the younger chilled crowd needs something connected to yidishkeit

    To #7 the name beli dancer is that her belli is revealed – not very tzniyos

    #9
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    #9

    They rented out their space to someone. Why would you punish them? they made it clear and apologized for what happened even though it wasn’t their responsibility! They put out the statement to the public. they should be commended and supported for that. I wish I knew what business you were in so we could boycott you for being mean and vindictive for no reason!!!

    Disgusting  - Pics?
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    Disgusting - Pics?

    What a despicable thing. Anyone have the pics? I can’t believe it until I see it. So disgusting. Please post pics. Thanks

    to 6, 11 etc.
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    to 6, 11 etc.

    Of course the people organizing planned and therefore knew the belly dancer would be there. How ridiculous!

    Instagram personalities Pritzus
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    Instagram personalities Pritzus

    Those instagram “personalities” are celebrated and followed by many in our community and our kids. Unfortunately they are full of pritzus. We should not follow them or support them if they continue to do so. We should keep our kids away from them lest they come to think this is Normal, acceptable and cool.

    Than you col
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    Than you col

    Thank you for for standing up for the truth lol hakovod

    To 7
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    To 7

    Lol. Are you serious???
    It doesnt matter how ‘tznius’ she was dressed. Her show definitely wasn’t tznius.
    To take a special day like purim and use it for this is just horrible!!
    I personally know the organizers. They have these style parties often and no one blinks. But this time it happened on purim. And they dragged bison and bourbon through the mud.
    The OK should not blame bison and bourban but I honestly have no clue who would give a hechsher on alenbi. This article doesn’t mention it’s owned by the organizers husband.

    Thank You
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    Thank You

    Thank you for pandering to the Cheredi elements of Chabad. So random, but welcoming.

    Statements
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    Statements

    Every name mentioned above is responsible unless they put out a clear statement clarifying their position
    This is painful and I hope that most ppl did not knowingly take part in the planning or attending of this event

    Ayin  HaRa
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    Ayin HaRa

    It is sad that supposed Yiras Shamayim people forget that failure to observe Tznius issues make a terrible impression upon the remaining non-Lubavitch frum community and even non-observant Jews upon the tremendous Chilul HaShem this brings to Anash and the name of the Rebbe. It should not take a Gaon to figure this one out

    Hmmmm
    Guest
    Hmmmm

    Not sure I really believe bison and bourbon in this case.
    Belly dancing. Hookah and henna art were clearly advertised!!!
    What exactly did they think was going to happen???
    I think they are up only upset because the got caught.

    Cannot believe this article was posted on COL
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    Cannot believe this article was posted on COL

    I’m quite amazed to see, that a COL reporter felt the need (nameless I should add) to write a feature article like this, attacking a private purim party that was hosted by some members of the Crown Heights community. This event was never intended to be of the tightest standards, nor did it advertise as such. Anyone who bought a ticket to the event, knew exactly what kind of entertainment and vibe of the night to expect. If this party was held at a crown heights shule than you may have something to talk about it, but naming people and… Read more »

    #7 don't get it
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    #7 don't get it

    And if yes, is a man supposed to watch one even if dressed prop[erly

    To number 5
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    To number 5

    There is nothing kosher about bars and clubs. They don’t go together. This kind of event is a complete blurring of boundaries. It doesn’t help to make it a Purim party. It’s just to cover up and pretend it’s okay.

    Chutzpa!!!
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    Chutzpa!!!

    These people so called “Chabad light” are destroying our comunity

    @5
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    @5

    🎶king achashvarosh made a big feast…🎶

    Dear COL, what kind of reporting is this?
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    Dear COL, what kind of reporting is this?

    This bias reporting is no different than the misleading media we often complain about from our internationational media. Don’t expect any #respect #goodforyou# #takeastand from me when you misuse an opportunity to help others learn and grow from the truth, instead you post your bias agendas just like the snakes on our public media outlets. You have the privilege to report to those that come to learn the truth of matters, not to abuse it by inciting drama with the manipulating wording. While there are aspects of events that happened similarly as to how it is written, you directly disrespected… Read more »

    The owner was there!
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    The owner was there!

    The owner of business was there and posted photos

    Ignorant Youth
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    Ignorant Youth

    This reminds me of a “1920s party” held years ago by a synagogue here. The mostly young people who attended dressed up in 1920s outfits. They didn’t understand the licentiousness of that era. I have seen this over and over again when our uneducated youth try to ape the things they see in the outside world without knowing the source or reference point.

    Vendor owners?
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    Vendor owners?

    Why are only some owners named?

    Names
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    Names

    While I do not agree with this project to point Fingers and include name of hosts is Loshon Hora. The worst thing should be the dancers. There are way to many that call themselves “lubavitch” on instagram and slowly have been influencing each other and unzere’ in a terribly untznius way. First they are barely covering their hair (ironic when they are advertising their sheitel brands), then with pants and mini skirts on top or just shirts. They are bringing down themselves and followers when they have so much power to bring us all up. It is today’s Yetzer Hora… Read more »

    so sad to hear!
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    so sad to hear!

    Dear kinderlach, you are the mothers and fathers of our future generation. Please wake up and smell the coffee.

    Organizers
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    Organizers

    Bad event but not nice to point out names

    What does this have to do with Baltimore?
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    What does this have to do with Baltimore?

    Baltimore were narisher bochur who, now challenged and apologetic, may even (hopefully) be wondering why we believe what we do. Some Chasidim may come from that. This is hearing about the disintegration of Lubavitch and CH. Maybe we should start questioning what the Rebbe, and the old chasidim of 20 years ago, those whose very presence inspired all who were zocheh to see them, would say and do about these fancy restaurants, and even less fancy restaurants, being in CH to begin with. And yes, small things do lead eventually to these big things, as is clear from Maamorim, Tanya… Read more »

    Unbelieveable
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    Unbelieveable

    I’m speechless. Everyone of these people have brought great shame to our community. They need to reflect on the harm they have done to the community, themselves and their children, who will be humiliated in school. I personally will not want my child to be friendly with someone from these families.
    All these ‘over 21’ need todotedhuva.
    They need to do Teshuva.

    Boycott
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    Boycott

    Businesses that promote this type of behavior should not be used we have a duty as a community to keep a standard of kedush, we should not stand for this

    pick yourself
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    pick yourself

    22 have some shame. You want good sites to post and be machshil the rabbim? Don’t believe? Fine. The restaurant, the CIA and Russian hackers made it all up if you prefer.
    Still don’t think that specific names should be mentioned – also not our way of doing things (and maybe only one of the organizers did this – it is a possibility) – but the inyan should receive the greatest protest.

    welcome to 2018
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    welcome to 2018

    If you think this is new, it’s not. There’s a whole young community in crown heights (young business owners, social media influencers…etc) that are extremely open minded and organizing events like this, posing in outfits that are clearly not ok and saying that it is, and anyone who disagrees is closed minded and “not accepting”. Unfortunately, these are who our children are following. Society’s attitude of “its fine, it’s all accepted” is creeping into our way of life. Once we get too accepting, we lose it all. We are already seeing that before our eyes.

    Chossid
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    Chossid

    this Was very kosher compared to many other Purim parties that took place

    LA Morah
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    LA Morah

    This is so sad I really don’t have words. Those involved should have a big,emesdike refuah. Oy,we need Moshiach. Yes,this is much,much worse then Baltimore.

    Seriously ?!?! What r we now the Gestapo?!?
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    Seriously ?!?! What r we now the Gestapo?!?

    I’m sorry if this offended anyone, but it’s offensive to me to see such an article on your website. Everyone who went to this party knew exactly what they were getting. It’s not your cup of tea, fine, don’t go, but people do have free choice. This was not a Chabad party, this was not at a Chabad institution, how dare you call put private people ?!?! How about calling out all the other crap that goes on everyone else ?!? How about posting about dangerous people ?!?! I am appalled at this article. It is literally here for Loshon… Read more »

    It's about time!
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    It's about time!

    It’s about time our community addresses these issues.

    To number five
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    To number five

    U sound familiar. Ive heard u speak about these ideas and I completely agree. Make it kosher or it will be worse.
    Thank you

    To 31 & 36
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    To 31 & 36

    Thank you for expressing my thoughts in a well articulated post. This ‘news report’ has no place on a Chabad [family] (news site.

    Thank you col
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    Thank you col

    Thank you for posting and making this aware
    So many ppl are upset with this mixed achashverosh party
    It’s important that the vendors are we are how other people were hurt because of this event and it’s clearly going against torah
    Basic Yiras Shamyim and Halacha

    This is what teenagers are seeing
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    This is what teenagers are seeing

    These Instagram personalities are what teens are seeing and shockingly think its ok
    They plan their life according to these people which is highly untznuis and non jewish
    Moshoach should come where we will see the true aishes chayil and not these pritzusdike women whom made our generation believe that it is ok

    2018
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    2018

    In the era of trump us Jews should be sticking together not criticizing one another.

    "Arabian Nights at the Persian Palace"
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    "Arabian Nights at the Persian Palace"

    It’s nice to know that you can be completely frei and still fail geography.

    Shiduch crisis
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    Shiduch crisis

    We all deserve love

    Shame
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    Shame

    The organizers are at fault because they, like Matisyahu before them and Shlomo calbach before them and many others in between used the Chabad community to build themselves themselves into a brand of half Hasidic half cool half and open minded which the people who originally follow them think is cool and amazing only to realize that all these people want is money and fame. Shame.

    Purim
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    Purim

    Just like achashverosh’s party. The organizers plotted to make something that would be tempting and they all fell for it. Haman won again!!

    Perspective
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    Perspective

    Would you rather them go on Tinder or Party with other Jews on there level

    This is such BS
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    This is such BS

    COL this is pure loshon hara! You did not have to post the names. What’s done is done. Also to all those who attended the party, you went to a MIXED party, you were well aware there wld be music there. What’s the difference if there’s a paid belly dancer that dancing in a podium or if it’s your friends wife! Same thing. Stop acting like tzadikim! You attended a mixed PARTY (not a mingeling session!) deal w the ramifications and grow up!

    Shame!!!
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    Shame!!!

    Shame on the organizers, the belly dancers and anyone else involved. Shame on all the attendees! What a disgrace and chillul Lubavitch! I can’t believe something like this happened and on PURIM!!!!! Oy Gevalt

    Simchas adar
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    Simchas adar

    There is no party like a crown heights party!

    question
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    question

    Not sure why these people call themselves Chabad?

    To 5/20
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    To 5/20

    Have u ever heard of a Jewish st club?!?!? Let me just remind u of what it says in the haftora of parshas Ki sisa “עד מתי אתם פותחים על שתי הסעיפים”. The rebbe explains that the worst thing is somthing like This. Convincing yourself that because you put some Jewish sounding thing in front of it, it becomes OK, such a person can never be helped. The first thing is to realize that you are so totally and completely off the path that comes next you to Hashem and then u can start to make changes in the right… Read more »

    truth be had
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    truth be had

    this is the new crown heights .
    don’t like it ? LEAVE .
    I did in the nick of time !

    inspired jew
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    inspired jew

    I was at the party and the “entertainment’ was a big kiddush hashem. I have not felt so connected to Judaism since my bar mitzvah held by Rabbi Jessica at temple tikun olam. My favorite part was when the belly dancer made me fulfill ‘ad dloi yoda’

    The equalizer
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    The equalizer

    Go to the Lubavitcher Bungalow colonies there is much of the same , however to mention names is incorrect ,

    I wonder
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    I wonder

    I am not shocked that this happened from the organisers. I love how people are soooo frum on purim that they need a party to go to. If just people were so frum with going to shul and tznius.

    Notice
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    Notice

    Notice how all the event hosts and sponsors are businesses owned and run by women.

    Modern men still retain some respect for the Frum way of life, whereas the women brazenly throw it all away. This follows the well-known phrase “kol hagovoha lemayla yoser yored lemata yoser”.

    When girls ask why they are held to a higher standard… THIS is why.

    Live and let live
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    Live and let live

    This is what the organizers will say,today’s attitude is we can do what we want it’s none of your business…If you don’t like it don’t come. No actually it’s the Rebbe’s community How could you do this to the Rebbe

    It's great!
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    It's great!

    At least if helping people marry jewish, we need these events to cater to the not such orthodox chabad, to keep them from falling out of Judaism, if not they will go to goyishe bar and eventually Mary out.

    Respect
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    Respect

    col u did a gr8 job by bringing it up, Kudos. we support you big time. there is a big issue with making these parties in a “Jewish Manner” for starters ppl getting used to it, and most importantly our kids and grandkids growing up with this, in 3 years it will be so off of what it started… Stand with COL we need to shut these stuff down right as they attempt to get up, this is our modern day Haman, look for example at crown heights 4 years ago, women went around Tznius, today, its normal to be… Read more »

    @47
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    @47

    You could not have said it better

    'yossi stern
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    'yossi stern

    I am not here to defend the party or argue on behalf of the organizers, what I do find interesting is with all the comments who seem to not have first hand facts to this story are ready to jump and criticize them without mentioning your name, instead you are hiding anonymously. State your name and fairly post your discomfort to this story after knowing the true facts of what did or did not happen.

    Why the rage this year? It happens every year.
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    Why the rage this year? It happens every year.

    Why the rage this year? It happens every year.

    Shame on col
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    Shame on col

    Shame on COL for publicly embarrassing and calling out the organizers who were just trying to cater to a specific group of our community. There is nothing Jewish about embarrassing people online!

    What happened with to Shluchus in our own community?
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    What happened with to Shluchus in our own community?

    As for as I know Shlichus applies to every Jew. Including those that live in your community and on your block. Maybe there are a bunch of Jews living in Brooklyn that wouldn’t be celebrating Purim if not for this party? Maybe they would be depressed at home? Was Halacha broken at this party? If the originators did something wrong, did any Rabonim out of the goodness of there heart and the Rebbe’s call for Shlichus go and explain to the organizers what was wrong here? These are just some questions It would be nice to have a Rav statement… Read more »

    Confusion has overtaken me
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    Confusion has overtaken me

    Not really sure why u people feel like u are represented by this party it had actually nothing to do with you if u weren’t involved they didn’t advertise this as a Chabad or crown heights community. the only reason this is associated with crown heights chabad is because col posted it and people like you are commenting on it. The chilul Lubavitch here is that u want to get involved in people’s livelihood because they did something completely disconnected from that some how insulted u so much that u are trying to ruin their parnasah You need to find… Read more »

    At # 7
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    At # 7

    I guess there are many standards of VERY tznius.
    This is the problem

    Disgusted
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    Disgusted

    I left CH years ago & some of the organizers of this event were a disgrace to the community then. What was supposed to happen? A harem?

    Their names should be mentioned. And yes, as a woman – with a business – I am ashamed of these women & the way they dress & promote themselves.

    Chabad
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    Chabad

    Most of the negative commenters want to pretend these people don’t exist(even though they probably have children relatives that are part of this nice and large group of individuals), well I have news for you they do exist and you should learn to appreciate them, not criticize

    An Outsiders View: Extremely degrading
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    An Outsiders View: Extremely degrading

    This is extremely degrading for all of the Chabad people. Crown Heights represents the Chabad movement and the source where the Chabad communities get all of their ideas and new innovative solutions. If this was in our community all of the sponsors would be boycotted instantaneously without question. A truly disgraceful act for all of Klal Yisrael. However, for Achashveirosh and Haman this would definitely be their choice of a party to attend.

    Thank you col
    Guest
    Thank you col

    thank you col for calling them out, they should be ashamed and make a public apology.

    Love!
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    Love!

    I pour out my whole with for each and everyone of you! Love is the only way!

    Adding insult to injury
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    Adding insult to injury

    The letter sent by the restaurant to OK is conveniently ambitiously signed, not using any of the owners names, here’s why. Owners knew well in advance of the true nature of the event as several of the owners followed / liked posts regarding the evens advertising which clearly presented the nature of the event. Owners were in attendance at the event. The restaurant hosted a similarly sprited “Purim” party last year with alcoholic beverages, music and mixed dancing. It was good for business to rent the venue. Now it’s good for business to deny involvement. Just as community schools help… Read more »

    achashverosh's second party
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    achashverosh's second party

    why do we thin either is appropriate? this is simply achashverosh’s party. when these people will finally stop self identifying a Chabad, and acknowledge that they are truly modern orthodox at best.

    They all knew...
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    They all knew...

    Just like those in Hollywood-They all knew.
    Have you ever heard of an organization claiming to not know what was going to happen at their establishment when it was literally advertised?
    Yes, everything was advertised including the belly dancer, mixed event etc etc.

    Hashem send Moshiach
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    Hashem send Moshiach

    As Reb Levi Yitzchok of Berditchev said if you would have put all the taivois hidden in the seforim and elokois in the open we would all been holy. Moshiach Now the only solution!!! P.S. please judge everyone favourably as Chabad Chasidim(dor hashviyi) let us focus on Ahvas Yisroel. Musar is not our way.

    To 78
    Guest
    To 78

    Your wrong. Let that specific group never again trespass on our holy traditions. They wear costumes all year.. Calling themselves chabad

    Shameful
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    Shameful

    Their actions are a disgrace to the rebbe and everything that he stands for. Yes people, it needs to be acknowledged that this behavior is unacceptable for anyone associated with chabad

    the owners of bison and bourbon were at the party!
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    the owners of bison and bourbon were at the party!

    understandably theyre ashamed, as the rest of the people going to such a party should feel. But i saw on many peoples stories, the owners and their wives lounging around at the party. it was NO surprise to them, they are just embarrassed.

    its sickening that they can ever consider this a ‘Purim Party’ . just call it a party. dont bring purim into it.

    Mordechai told the Jews not to go to the king’s party.
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    Mordechai told the Jews not to go to the king’s party.

    Haman wanted the Jews to go so they would sin. Did we not learn from this? Purim is a time to celebrate the miracles of Hashem saving us. The owners of these businesses need to attend a Torah class to remind them of why we celebrate Purim. The Rebbe says that before a Yom Tov we should learn about that Yom Tov.

    Private party ?
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    Private party ?

    Isn’t it ironic that achoshveros’s party was made by a goy !!! What private ? You opened it to the public ! When Mordechai came and demanded the yidden not go , they had the same answeres – u don’t like it – don’t go ! Saying it was a private party means the same risk of klal yisroel getting into huge issues . And
    Kudos to col for being the Mordechai and calling it a spade . They do something wrong and then are embarassed to be called out .

    schocked
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    schocked

    where have we fallen!!!!!!!!! Yes write names. They don’t care!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they should please please please stop calling themselves lubavitch. dont ruin our kids. go back where you came from. This is not what we gave our time, kochs, money etc. for you to spit in our face and ruin our chidren. lease move back into your holes. leave our kids alone. dont teach them your garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Good on you collive for reporting such things
    Guest
    Good on you collive for reporting such things

    Disgusting disgraceful party!!! This is the root and cause for all problems and terrible golis. I know this restaurant has had issues in the past I hope this time their regret is real

    @#35
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    @#35

    Best comment!! :’D

    We need more of these events!!
    Guest
    We need more of these events!!

    I wish I was there.
    I have seen similar parties hosted by the big and famous chabad Houses.
    They should have the party again and people should discern if its their level or not.

    Wake up women...
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    Wake up women...

    Do u honestly want your husband’s up to this?
    It boggles the mind …

     Continue supporting  the businesses
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    Continue supporting the businesses

    Not fair to boycott the business just because off one incident. The organisers help the community so much by making it trendy and easy to keep kosher and tznius. Don’t boycott based on this.

    Sara Chana
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    Sara Chana

    The Previous Rebbe said it’s better to have no water than dirty water. The Previous Rebbe argued saying, if their is a fire better dirty water than no water. The Previous Rebbe answered, if you were to throw any liquid, like kerosene, it would make a bigger fire.

    It is better to have no Judaism than watered down Judaism. Chabad houses are not like reform temples. They bring real Judaism to the Yidden.

    Oy vay is mir
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    Oy vay is mir

    And basil lost their hechsher because the owner of the building did work on shabbos without the consent or knowledge of the restaurant operator.

    Mimulo, frocknyc
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    Mimulo, frocknyc

    You should all pick up your businesses and go and live elsewhere. You call yourself Chabad- modest- yet everything you wear and “story” about are the opposite of what defines Chabad. Do as you please and live how you want – just don’t call yourself modest or Chabad/ cuz you not. You use your platform idolizing Beyoncé and other Hollywood stars- bringing down our community and distroying the young generation…causing havoc in our homes – as our Holstein want to be just like you- shame on you all. Remember what the rebbe says about covering ones hair and knees..etc- one… Read more »

    Bison
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    Bison

    Is a sham and they knew. They only regret being caught. OK should not give them a hescher.

    A chosid
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    A chosid

    Honestly don’t what all the fuss is about. The event was tasteful, the dancers were dressed modestly, maybe even a bit too modestly… I hope the organizers aren’t discouraged…

    Unfollow the organizers
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    Unfollow the organizers

    They claim to have made a private party ? Is this what we stand for ? Is this what frum people do ? They are creating a culture and have influence because of the amount of followers , if you unfollow them and show them that we stand for different values – that’s action . To say it was private is a pathetic cowardly way of taking responsibility for actions they took which were clearly out of bounds .

    Love
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    Love

    Love here is setting limits so people understand that this behaviour won’t be tolerated and so won’t continue to influence people to fall and iyh come back themselves. The Rebbe was loving and tolerant of everyone except those who misrepresented Chabad / Yiddishkeit by breaking halacha while representing themselves as shluchim I feel really really bad for these people that their Yiddishkeit is so empty. Hoping they will do an about face and come closer to Hahem. Until then, the right thing to do is send a very strong message to show this is not acceptable. Unfortunately I will not… Read more »

    What on earth does this have to do with Crown Heights or Chabad Lubavitch?
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    What on earth does this have to do with Crown Heights or Chabad Lubavitch?

    Why does COL and CH people always feel the need to get involved in every event around the world?

    These are individual people who made a party and did not associate themselves with any CH or Chabad organizations. Neither Chabad nor CH was written anywhere on the event and this entire conversation is nothing but a bunch of good old CH Jews gossiping about the rest of the world.

    Get a life the lot of you and quit talking Lashan Hora; maybe that will be a batter start for ridding the world of Chilul Hashem’s.

    Unbelievable….

    Agree with 90
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    Agree with 90

    Stop with the hate. Let it not happen again but stop hurting the organisers and their businesses.

    #94 spot on
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    #94 spot on

    those were my thoughts…achashveirosh party exactly in the year 2018
    I couldn’t stop thinking about it all Purim
    Was wondering who would get up and b the mordechai

    Ignorance
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    Ignorance

    Please teach these people the origin of the Purim
    Story . I’m
    Embarrassed for them !
    Also this was NOT a private party . It was open to public and advertised all over Instagram . Shame on them ! I feel bad for their parents the lack of respect is next level !

    I don't get it
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    I don't get it

    What is wrong with this? Why is everyone making such a big deal? If you don’t want to go to a party like this, don’t go. And everyone who was there is already messed up, so it’s not like they’re getting influenced.

    Number 84 - You've got it all wrong
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    Number 84 - You've got it all wrong

    Crown Heights does not represent Chabad. The Chabad Shluchim (and anyone who follows in the Rebbe’s derech) do. Chabad Shluchim around the world get their innovation and inspiration from the Rebbe and his chassidus. They definitely do NOT get theit ideas from Crown Heights. CH has nothing to do with it. As an outsider, you are invited to keep you vitrioloc hate on the inside and not pounce on any given opportunity. With all that said. The furor of such an event should have been before not after. But CH has no real leaders, no sense of community. So this… Read more »

    Why would the owners not be thers? Its their business...
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    Why would the owners not be thers? Its their business...

    Why would the owners not be thers? Its their business…

    We had a Sheva Brochos there about a month ago and the owners were there too. That doesnt mean that by them being there they did something wrong.

    On the contrary i think they have to be at any occasion that takes place in the restaurant.

    I dont know the details about the party but i do know all 3 owners and they are Erliche yiddin.

    Doesnt seem like they would do something like this by them selves.

    Oy vey
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    Oy vey

    What are these people doing to the rebbe’s shchunah?!?!? Every self respecting Lubavitcher must condemn this behavior. Who’s worried about the kovod of the rebbe?! This pritzus is literally throwing trash on the rebbe! To all commentators defending their party, TAKE YOUR HELLINISTIC VIEWS AND GET OUT OF THE REBBE’s SHCHUNAH!!!!

    Finally people seeing the truth......
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    Finally people seeing the truth......

    As an openminded Ch married man with little kids , I was nauseated at the treatment I got when going to purchase flowers for my wife one week. Let’s just say , I get why people ( mostly men ) keep going bk. The way they speak , thier gestures and just the entire ordeal is so not becoming , my guy friends all share the same experiences and at all cost try to reffraim from purchasing flowers for our wives when just the visit there will undue the point of buying flowers in the first place …

    Don't get it
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    Don't get it

    What’s this got to do with chabad. Some people threw a party in a resteraunt ? Since when does this have anything to do with lubavitch. Was it called lubavitch it chabad??? So the organizers have some sort of chabad background there also have Walmart subscriptions does that mean Walmart threw a party??

    To 80
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    To 80

    Most of the girls in high school have Instagram and saw the advertisement for the party and the after results so as a result they feel that because this is a kosher restaurant or the owners of bjj they think it’s ok to do this.

    They are inspired by women who have businesses and are famous on media

    This is a very bad example for our teeenagers

    Ps. My daughter said her class was talking about it

    Was never tasteful
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    Was never tasteful

    Nothing those women ever did was anything that our community stands by . They make a mockery out of our community by trying to impose “ yuppie” vibes to our hood.

    SHAME ON ALL OF YOU
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    SHAME ON ALL OF YOU

    All you women from businesses stated about…. you are a disgrace to all of us living in crown heights – the Rebbes shechuna. We are trying to bring up our innocent kids to live the lives as true chassidim of the Rebbe!! Go take your pritzus to the Bronx where you all belong with as many belly dancers as you want together with your jeans low neck lines and mini skirts!! It’s about time the Rabbonim put a ban on all of your buisnesses and bring crown heights back to what it used to be. A place where kedusha of… Read more »

    What about ch
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    What about ch

    How many girls I saw in pants walking down Kingston on Purim no one give a hoot give me a brake

    many things
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    many things

    the event wasn’t in “crown heights” even in crown heights, people at are free to do as they please in their homes and places of business. and its upon anyone else, to associate with them or not. if you went to the event and the “standards” weren’t in line with your own, you could leave, speak to the organizers, not go again, etc. only real issue is between the restaurant and the OK. seems that OK feels its hechsher goes beyond food, that they may dictate decorum of the establishment as well as just the food. that’s theirs to decide… Read more »

    Purim story reanactment
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    Purim story reanactment

    Crown heights pritsus women made a party which equals achashveirosh’s party with kosher food inviting Jews to attend, purim is celebrating the fact that although we went to that party we did teshuva and hashem saved us
    Vashti is the belly dancer but this time she actually came
    Collive is mordechai hatzadik warning all yidden what we have got ourselves into
    Haman is whoever thinks this was right

    Sad!!!
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    Sad!!!

    Extremely SAD!!!

    Excuse me?
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    Excuse me?

    Who are we to say what is right or wrong, what would “disgrace” the Rebbe or not, and what is delaying Moshiach or not? These wonderful people who put on the event know exactly who they are and what what they stand for, and quite frankly in my mind, they’re more of a representation of the frumkeit and Lubavitch velt that I know and love than this hateful comment thread. They’re at least not pretending to be some holier than thou person who’s sat behind a screen, shaming people for enjoying Purim. Would I personally have attended this party? Probably… Read more »

    CRAZY!
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    CRAZY!

    crazy party! Never again in a frum community!

    Seeing your Faults in Others
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    Seeing your Faults in Others

    Let’s not forget Chassidus teaches us that when we see something wrong others and it leads t feelings of resentment it is actually our own faults being projected in others. If, however, when we see something wrong in others it leads us to try and help them correct their ways; it is within our power to help.

    So sad!!
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    So sad!!

    Unfortunately we have become.desensitized
    Every bochur and yungerman anx Mashpia cam watch all.this schmutz and klipa on a.DAILY basis..
    And we.make.it sound so silly about iphones and filters really?
    Where has this all come from..everyine says Nah this will never happen to my husband or son in law or son….wale up and smell coffee wives and mothers!!!! This is a terrible time and we have to acknowledge that NONONE NONONE is Immune to this devestating issue that plagues our generation!!!

    The party sounds amazing!
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    The party sounds amazing!

    I wish I was in New York and could have attended!

    The horse has already bolted
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    The horse has already bolted

    I think most of the people who have commented here in shock /disgust need to take a good look at the bigger picture.this is not new this is a slow process over past 15/20 years.Years of misguided youth,years of neglect and MOST importantly years of denial of the Rebbe’s will to teach in an inspiring and joyful way the arrival of moshiach! How can such a fundamental be sidelined for so long? people don’t be outraged at this party..ask yourselves how did we get here?..maybe then there’ll be change and a deeper love and understanding for what Chabad REALLY is… Read more »

    to 57
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    to 57

    Hahaha best comment. Hilarious.

    Thank you collive!
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    Thank you collive!

    Thank you for standing up and saying what needs to be said finaly.
    The big ‘chabad instagram celebrities’ are lowering the standards they dont realize what power they have and they are using it in the wrong way.

    Very wrong...
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    Very wrong...

    And col no reason to hang dirty laundry in public. bigger chill Lubavitch to spread this news

    Hellooo
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    Hellooo

    Instead of fighting and screaming and focusing on what was done let’s take a look into the future and make sure it doesn’t happen again. To 67 this is NOT the new crown heights . we can’t get used to these type of things. Come on we need to remmeber that we are chabad and we present chabad we are not compromising tznius or Halacha. This is basic Torah that you don’t need to be a genius to understand. We are approaching mashiach,the last thing we need is for people to say and except the fact that people wear short… Read more »

    Correction to 102
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    Correction to 102

    Previous Rebbe said it’s better to have no water than dirty water. One argued saying, if their is a fire better dirty water than no water. The Previous Rebbe answered, if you were to throw any liquid, like kerosene, it would make a bigger fire.

    It is better to have no Judaism than watered down Judaism. Chabad houses are not like reform temples. They bring real Judaism to the Yidden.
    (3/4/2018 4:37:40 PM)
    103

    Berels Chat
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    Berels Chat

    The first time I hear of this is here.
    So have we done more damage by this story or have we benefited the community by exposing a problem?
    We have not seen pics to judge for ourselves

    WHERE HAVE WE COME TO!!!!!!
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    WHERE HAVE WE COME TO!!!!!!

    I can’t believe it!!!! Out of hand!!!!

    The real Chabad
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    The real Chabad

    Those commenting here that claim they are “real Chabad”, and this is achashverosh party, your judgemental, brainwashed, and have no concept of 2018. Wake up! Not everyone believes in what you do. Most of the ppl attending have probably helped you or your families directly or indirectly at some point in time.

    I did something about it
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    I did something about it

    Clicked unfollow on each of their accounts
    Imagine if all of us did this – would create a tangible change in their lives!!

    Difference
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    Difference

    There is a difference between Chabad and Lubavitch. There are many Jews who are Chabad and believe in the rebbe but don’t practice the way Lubavitcher do. And btw labels don’t mean much. What are they supposed to call themselves if they believe in mashiach and the rebbe??? Modern orthodox? Last i checked MO doesn’t have a rebbe. Everyone is on a different level, people just have to stop judging it causes more harm than good. If you don’t know them PERSONALLY, you have no right to rebuke them.

    On This Topic...
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    On This Topic...

    I in no way consider myself as someone out to critize or look for the negative. I would be very careful in showing my kids the costumes that are worn in crown heights On Purim. When did this become the normal business as usual for adult Lubavitcher to dress up with such little taste or regard for any standards?

    My humble opinion
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    My humble opinion

    This is just part of a wider problem in crown heights which is not new but getting worse by the day..

    Lack of a sense of community, good leaders, rabbonim etc.
    It has to be fixed up, the question is how and if we can find a similar situation that has happened before in other frum neighborhoods and how?

    If people would feel that they belong to a community they probably wouldn’t get there, and the best example is other communities of Chabad lite where this things don’t happen.

    Tough situation…

    Bison and bourbon letter
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    Bison and bourbon letter

    The letter seems to be straight to the point. Not sure why the OK will need to remove the Hechsher.

    Seams like bison has no fault.
    Just my opinion

    Mendy rapaport

     Very confusing
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    Very confusing

    When these brands promote themselves as modest fashionware they are incredibly confusing on their followers. I know BT girls who spent 1 or 2 years in sem and made he big move to crown heights and either fried out or had to leave quick because the mixed messages were hard to ignore! Frum women with mini skirts? With jeans underneath? Low cut shirts? It takes an extremely committed girl/ teenager to stick with tznius when slowly stripping tznius is becoming more common and more in your face. Let’s be clear: this party is NOT similar to those that chabad houses… Read more »

    To 117
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    To 117

    Thank you for that comment. You are straight up and honest.

    I think we have to come to terms with reality
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    I think we have to come to terms with reality

    I think everyone should understand that Chabad is no longer what it was. Its also much bigger than it used to be, and it is no longer unique to its own principles. The only way to view it is just like in the wider community you have people who are more religious or less religious and more extreme or less extreme. Just like in the Jewish world you have the modern orthodox and charedim, so too in chabad you have the same extremes. You can no longer paint everyone with the same brush and expect them to adhere to the… Read more »

    Fight with light
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    Fight with light

    Be proud and strong to be an upright and erliche Yid. Love a Yid but keep Torah. The Rebbe was never a pushover when things were heipech halacha. Public event. Everyone knows it’s”Chabad lite” so don’t say that it has nothing to do with Chabad. Imagine Chabad lite starting before 3 Tammuz? A chutzpa to the Rebbes face to think so. But don’t boycott someone business. What does that have to do? It’s not the Rebbes way either. If the Rebbe wanted, not tznius people would be outlawed. But he didn’t set it up that way. So don’t boycott their… Read more »

    A Chosid
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    A Chosid

    I love how the people trying to make it ok are calling themselves chasidim… like it changes peoples opinions of them.

    To 139
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    To 139

    If you are calling someone who objects to the activities described as “brainwashed”, then you have no idea what frumkeit and chassidisheit is all about, and you have no business commenting on chabad issues.
    And just because you or your ilk give charity, you do not decide how we should behave as frum jews in 2018. That’s not how it works.

    Take out the names
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    Take out the names

    The names of hosts does not need to be mentioned.

    #17 etc HYPROCRITES
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    #17 etc HYPROCRITES

    Holier than thou and everyone else, drops a little loshon hora into the mix whilst pretending to be frum.

    I think B&B handled it well
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    I think B&B handled it well

    I love the fact that bison and burbon wrote a letter like that, very professional and real.

    Let them be
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    Let them be

    Listen these people are obviously modern so let them be !

    SMART PHONES !!!!
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    SMART PHONES !!!!

    Is anyone surprised this is getting worse every day? I see the girls walking to school on their phones. All night on the phones. Girls as young at 10 year old! Parents don’t want to know. Do they care? I never heard of the people who arranged this party but I just looked them up and I wonder if parents know what their children are seeing? These people are not frum at all. It’s no different than Brittney Spears. Yes, they are free to host wild parties. But it’s 100% up to us to take steps to protect our children… Read more »

    50!! U r so right
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    50!! U r so right

    If the name of the organisers are online so should the authors. The party however inappropriate is a choice a person can make. Chabad has to own up to caring about our youth and the people they look up to rather than bashing them.

    To #126
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    To #126

    No,excuse me. Your post sounds like an advert for a Reform temple-“embracing mitzvas in away that feels special to them”. That seems to be the root of the problem here. Not halacha or community standards,certainly not any type of frumkait,but what might feel good to some.

    Why the noise.?
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    Why the noise.?

    I think a tznius dancer is totally acceptable.its bringing fun into frunkeit. I love it.

    moshiach now
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    moshiach now

    for everyone who is saying “live and let live” . Yes we all have free choice but keep in mind that what you do affects someone else. You may not realize but people influence each other. You can drill a hole under your seat on a boat and say ” It’s under my seat, why does it bother you”

    For all those asking what is wrong.
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    For all those asking what is wrong.

    For all those asking what is wrong:

    Are you really asking what is wrong to throw out entire Halochos from shas and Shulchon Oruch?!

    Oy how we have fallen!

    Let people be
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    Let people be

    Its a nice thing that jews are getting together and celebrating together.

     just by the way
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    just by the way

    just by the way,
    most frum families these days have a relative or two whose part of that group.
    If any of you judgemental ppl c”v who have a relative fall into it, you would keep your mouths closed and stop judging.

    Pictures on social media showed bearded men watching the performance.
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    Pictures on social media showed bearded men watching the performance.

    Beard or no beard who cares!!!
    Do not let the beard hipster look fool anyone these days.
    No reason to Judge or point fingers at our own community.
    Reading the negativity of people causes more division and dis-unity within our circles. Let people celebrate and express themselves freely and not worth to post such articles to outside readers

    @139
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    @139

    There are plenty of Lubavitchers, myself included, who balance being Frum with living in 2018. Living in a modern-age, does not mean having a free-for-all. It is about being educated and having self-respect, in both Jewish and secular circles. When I was in college, my classmates were careful with their language, because they did not want to corrupt the nice Jewish girl. They respected me, because of the Judaic morals. What Bison & Bourbon hosted was Achashveirosh’s Party, because it went against everything religious Jews hold sacred. This is exactly what Mordechai spoke out against.

    Moshiach now!
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    Moshiach now!

    BH Collive, Why post things that cause friction and separation in our community? Lashon Harah causes tremendous harm to those spreading it, those hearing it, and those who it’s about. In our times right before moshiach our focus must stay on adding light and joy and unity to our communities and the entire world. There’s no reason to get angry, what’s done was done and it’s up to the organizers of this event what they’re going to do now, but to everyone else the message is so clear! YOU be the good example, YOU be tznius, YOU do the right… Read more »

    @45 @68 @69 @114
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    @45 @68 @69 @114

    This is the way the world is going these days, you either keep up or become irrelevant.

    PARTY WAS AWESOME
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    PARTY WAS AWESOME

    Had such a good time ! You’re all just mad cause you missed it !! Great party with great ppl. Can’t wait till next years

    Why did collive post?
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    Why did collive post?

    As the Alter Rebbe brings from the gemara on the first page of Tanya, ואפילו מי שיש בידו למחות ולא מיחה נק’ רשע. That’s why. As long as we are silent, people – especially our youth – may mistaken silence as agreement with the “peace-love-as-long-as-you-follow-your-heart-you’re-ok’ version of Chabad. Return to us, those who follow their lusts and cannot control their impulses!

    להתחזק  בעיניינים של צניעות ולימוד חסידות
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    להתחזק בעיניינים של צניעות ולימוד חסידות

    כאן בשכונת קראון הייטס כאן ציווה ה׳ את הברכה
    שכונה של הרבי ומגיעים ב״ה אנשים נשים וטף מכול קצווי העולם להסתופף ב – ד אמותיו של הרבי ומתפללים ב770 כאן בשכונה זאת .
    הצניעות צריכה להיות למופת ולדוגמא לכול הגרים והבאים בשכונה קדושה זו
    ולכן צריכים להתחזק בצניעות , בלימוד עיניני גאולה ומשיח , תניא ועוד .
    ולא לנסות ללכת למסיבות כאלו שלא ברוח ישראל סבא אנחנו לפני ביאת המשיח .
    וכמובן צריכים להתחזק בעניני אהבת ישראל

    @158
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    @158

    Even with a modest outfit, bellydancing is a seductive art form. That is its entire purpose. Which is why it should only be performed in a female-only crowd. This was not a Broadway show or Bollywood movie, we are talking about. This event was advertised as a “Purim Party”.

    Nothing like "Modest Clothing Lines" that have mini skirts and jeans
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    Nothing like "Modest Clothing Lines" that have mini skirts and jeans

    The names of the hosts should be mentioned bc it was all intentional and they are proud of it.
    Large couches with hoookahs.. just sad

    to #1
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    to #1

    i agree with u. right on target!! exactly my thoughts!! great minds think alike!!

    Who cares
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    Who cares

    Why is this even posted on col if people went and they stayed it’s their problem if people went and they left right away then good for them. Why are names mentioned here this article is completely unnecessary plus this is lashon hara

    May our kids stay frum and chasidish, goiyishe junk music
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    May our kids stay frum and chasidish, goiyishe junk music

    may they know wrong from right and hold on tight to the truth

    i suggest they cut the goyishe music in the restaurant, itsa nice place to enjoy some familly time, but with goiyishe junk words as you eat and relax? treif is treif…dont give .the kluginker room to do his filthy work……

    Embrace influential people
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    Embrace influential people

    Who doesn’t have Instagram? How many families don’t have someone who follows at least 1 of the acused on instagram? Throwing them under the bus, just ailiantes is from our wives and children. It is frightening that there are parties like this one. Let’s embrace these influencers and inspire them to give more positive messages on Instagram to our wives and children. Please consider

    so many comments
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    so many comments

    maybe we should do something productive instead of just complaining
    go out and do a mitzva

    do something
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    do something

    is there anything practical we can do to better the situation?
    Make some sort of program that will be helpful.
    Just writing comments hasnt helped

    What makes me mad
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    What makes me mad

    Is that the organizers don’t know their geography. PERSIANS. ARE. NOT. ARABS.

    People need to know
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    People need to know

    It happens to be a איסר to look at a Women’s Beauty or anything of Woman that is attractive to a Man.
    So in reality even if she was צניעות, it is a איסור to observe a Women in general especially to watch her Dancing.
    So arranging such event will be also לא נכשל.

    What really going here?
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    What really going here?

    I have no problem with the party itself the biggest issue was that the vip tables were expensive

    Unfollow their accounts and do not go to their stores
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    Unfollow their accounts and do not go to their stores

    140
    I did something about it
    Clicked unfollow on each of their accounts
    Imagine if all of us did this – would create a tangible change in their lives!!

    EVERYONE
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    EVERYONE

    Guys seriously, stop!! The damage has been done. So let’s stop bashing them and help them rise up. What are we gaining from these comments? We are only making people lose parnassa. I understand that some parents may be upset at their influences, but like….
    1: chances are, your child has already seen or heard of these people
    2: even if your child hasn’t ever heard of them, if they are reading these comments they for sure know all about them

    So guys!! Let’s educate our children to help rise these people to a higher level!!!

    #114 Number 84 - You've got it all wrong
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    #114 Number 84 - You've got it all wrong

    I love Chabad. Authentic, genuine Chabad people and Hashkafa. It’s the actions of those who do not have their own self-respect or the respect for their community and in doing so bring shame and disgrace amongst all those living in Crown Heights.

    to #176
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    to #176

    But they FEEL like they are. Live and live. Don’t judge!

    right 176
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    right 176

    Arabia is the former name of Saudi Arabia
    FYI

    #174 is right on
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    #174 is right on

    You are exactly right. Most of the comments posted are based on attitudes which crearly show our fears, yet disconnect us from our families. I can just imagine a teenaged girl bobbing her head up and down in agreement with a parent of how terrible this party was and as soon as the conversation is over, checking on Instagram if any pictures of the party were posted. This party was terrible, that seems obvious. Next stop: effective communication.

    My humble opinion
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    My humble opinion

    The only reason that this should be posted should be to bring up a topic that is lacking. First of all, this was just one of the partys that was mixed. Why this one is so special? I dont know, maybe because the flowers or the people asvertising live in CH? But honestly, they are influencers not only in CH also in Flatbush and the world. Do you agree with where they are standing? Maybe no? Great, keep your life and do your teshuva. We all remember the song “to love a fellow jew, just the same as you, is… Read more »

    Sad????
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    Sad????

    No one said this party was going to be a chassidish one. To all those who are so bothered- don’t go! Focus on ur own growth and yiddishkeit. The people who only know are exposing this party are doing something way worse. Lashon hara is a bad thing. This isn’t something sad. Focus on ur own good.

    BISON AND BOURON IS COMPLICIT
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    BISON AND BOURON IS COMPLICIT

    I am a Shliach and last week I took a not yet observant friend to dinner and Bison and Burbon was suggested.

    The food and service was exceptional, my friend kept telling me he can’t believe it’s Kosher and surely not Glatt Kosher. Shamefully I knew why….

    They large TV screens on full display at the Bar was airing the Figure skaters at the Olympics.

    I complained and it was not closed. I saw other chassidishe and frumme yiddin not being bothered by it.

    Let the OK take a stand….. Kashrus is more then just the food….

    These people are a MINORITY
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    These people are a MINORITY

    This lower class element have in recent years taken over the show and created the image of being the majority. It is simply a lie. The vast majority of Crown Heightsers are upstanding people who try to do the right thing.

    These people are just louder, more noticeable, and more active on social media.

    Indescribable pleasure
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    Indescribable pleasure

    The dancer was kosher and quite a thrill. The backlash is just jealousy, it was #lit and truly showcased the love Jews have for the arabs! #nohate #fakenews

    disgrace to klal yisroel
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    disgrace to klal yisroel

    Complete chilol hashem I am heartbroken to hear of such an event.

    What would the Rebbe say about this event ?
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    What would the Rebbe say about this event ?

    I don’t know how the Rebbe would react to such party ,conducted by some people who associated themselves within Chabad Lubavich. But community reaction should be as to condemn such events , and prevent them taking place in the future . We should not facilitated such behaviour of Rebbe’s community .

    What would the Rebbe say?
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    What would the Rebbe say?

    One of the main things the Rebbe was absolutely against was mixed events, like this one. Men and women do NOT belong at the same event without a proper mehitza. This is a shame to the Lubavitch community and makes the rest of us look (to outside communities) like we don’t follow halacha. And on PURIM? Are you crazy??? You literally created an event like King Ahashveros and let Jews participate in a party exactly like the feast that the King made. It’s a disgrace. Not surprising though because the organizers walks in a tichel outside without a sheitel (another… Read more »

    Would the real women please stand up.
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    Would the real women please stand up.

    The women young or old even girls in school should not stay quiet. You can be genius and yet so loud as a force for goodness. HELP THE PEOPLE THAT THINK THIS IS OKAY.

    ITS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND
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    ITS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND

    G D ALMIGHTY LOVES YOU.
    NO.MATTER.WHAT.

    REALLY.

    REALLY. REALLY.

    (The writer of this comment does not agree at all with this party. The CREATOR of the writer of this comment loves every single Yid that was there.)

    LOVE. ITS G DLY.

    ITS REAL.

    @181
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    @181

    People who were outraged by this event, are entitled to boycott said businesses. The organizers should have taken into account, that there would be a negative reaction. What they do in the privacy of their homes is one thing. However, this was a public event used to promote their businesses. The OK has every right to consider revoking Bison & Bourbon’s hashgacha. Welcome to the reality of living in a capitalist country, where people can vote with their wallets.

    HELLO
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    HELLO

    If you don’t like it, don’t go. There is no need for an article about this

    ונהפוך הוא
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    ונהפוך הוא

    This party is even worse than that of Achashveroshes party. Both had the goal that Yidden should sin and they both catered kosher food. But back then it was Goyim enticing Yidden, yet the sin was the Yidden enjoying and reveling themselves in the goyeshkeit.. Here, Yidden are enjoying the Goyeshkeit and it’s Yidden enticing Yidden R”L!! This party is more catastrophic then Achashverosh!! What an oxymoron that it’s a “Purim Party” celebrating our salvation when it’starts only digging a deeper pit into the abis.

    הווה דן  את חברך לכף זכות
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    הווה דן את חברך לכף זכות

    בבקשה לא לשפוט. כל אחד צריך עזרה
    בתחום אחר. אפשר ליעץ. לעזור.לכוון. לדרך
    הנכונה.בלי שנאת חינם. ומחלוקת בשכונה
    הכי מבורכת בעולם. צריך לקרב אחד את השני
    מתוך אהבת ישראל.ואחדות. משיח עכשיו.

    #176 Persians are not arabs
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    #176 Persians are not arabs

    And the organizer’s are not lubavitch.

    174
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    174

    My take on this is point is a little different, as a music and art lover I listen to all kinds of music however I won’t listen to anyone who is against Israel. I sometimes hear in stores and restaurants music playing by those that are calling for us to be driven into the sea. To all store and restaurant owners: Don’t support those that don’t support you.

    #180
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    #180

    Glad cutting off works for you.
    However, your message is not compelling or inspiring to people who enjoy their Instagram.

    To 186
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    To 186

    Why do we take a stand against this “un-Chasidish”(more like NOT FRUM) party? Because we must be like Mordechai. We must not bow to what everyone else is doing. And we must also be like Esther. We must stand up for what is right. In 50 years from now (though IYH Moshiach will be here by then and there will be no more confusion), how will YOUR great grandchildren know what a Frum Jew is? How a Frum Jew acts. Speaks. Behaves. How will your child know? It is our responsibility to stand up for G-d and His will, and… Read more »

    to 117
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    to 117

    I agree with your comments, so I don’t understand why you guys keep going back…perhaps you like the ambience. Having bought from there once (never again) for my simcha, I recommend the guys outside House of Glatt. Lovely flowers, reasonable prices and you won’t feel dirtied by the experience. I also want to say..,..all you LH whiners – they WANT publicity! They openly give their own names in the advertising .Why is it LH? Why is it wrong to name names? It’s about time you all stopped being so worried about what is/isn’t LH and started worrying about what’s going… Read more »

    Supplier of emes
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    Supplier of emes

    I was just thinking as a bochur that doesn’t like to get get drunk, what am I going to do on purim. I didn’t do anything because they don’t offer anything for someone with as weird a disease as I have but for someone like me who doesn’t like getting drunk why not go watch belly dancing. I think to fix the problem we should offer exciting, single gender parties, with activities like basketball and laser tag and chitas. All girls schools do it to keep their students away from boys. Older men don’t enjoy much but I’m sure you… Read more »

    Surprise?
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    Surprise?

    Sounds like a YJP of LA, Miami, Chicago etc party. Along with Hookah in Sukkah party

    #166 - Complete and utter tripe.
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    #166 - Complete and utter tripe.

    The only ‘keeping up’ we need to do is maintain and reaffirm our values and principles irrelevant of the day’s norm and culture surrounding us. Newsflash: This does not include mixed dancing and belly dancers. Or are you suggesting to conform like a leaf in the wind of our generation’s toxic complacency? I hope your “fear of irrelevancy” isn’t contributing to this. Complete hogwash. I assume you yourself are unsure of what you are saying, hence the lack of clarity in your statement. Again. This in no way condone’s COL’s behaviour of name and shame. But every frum Jew should… Read more »

    @185
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    @185

    So true!! I am a teenage girl and juts went through that scenario. And to all you ppl biting each others heads off, chill. They obvs did s/thing wrong, now deal with it how ever you want. You can rant and rave or actually make a difference in a tangible way, by speaking to your children, unfollowing them etc. But to amlessly our soneone down-that’s just pure lashon hara, it accomplishes nothing. Grow up c”h!!

    Objective
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    Objective

    Any of the vendors who have used Chabad or being “hasidic” to to promote their businesses should rightly be called out, those who have not should not be publicly named and shamed.

    Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi
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    Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi

    Notice that much of this modern influence is blowing in from Austraila. What’s in the water there?

    Make Aliyah
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    Make Aliyah

    Time to leave the sinking ship that is Crown Heights. Come home to Israel.

    To : indescribable pleasure
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    To : indescribable pleasure

    I’m sure it was pleasurable. That’s whats sad. There’s pleasure that leads to and spawns more goodness – like pleasure you derive from helping someone out, pleasure that husband and wife enjoy from their relationship and friendship together. That’s holy pleasure and leads to greater pleasure and happiness. Then there’s corrupted pleasure like this party where the women get a thrill out of looking good and the men enjoy forbidden gazing at women etc. This is bad pleasure, its temporary and leads to greater pain. It takes away from the bond, connection, trust and love between husband and wife and… Read more »

    Modern Lubavitch
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    Modern Lubavitch

    That’s what I call them. To everyone who says why so many comments of hate. It’s not hate, we’re upset because many of us live here as a great sacrifice. We want pride in being Lubavitch. Other communities talk about ours, when is Crown Heights going to fall apart they say. We have a Rebbe and yeas he doesn’t judge anyone. We have to remember we represent the Rebbe. If you live in this community that’s what you have to remember when you leave your house. We are the Rebbe’s children.

    Jealousy
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    Jealousy

    This is totally not not! jealousy, this is one Jew is responsible for the other. If they sin we can get punished for it. They must realize that mixed dancing ,belly dancing are against the Torah and the wrong thing to do . Also they are followed by many many teenagers and they are giving them the wrong inspiration , encouraging the young girls of our neighborhood to dress inprobably to act inproperly and (to have Christmas trees ). All of these games have to end! we are Jews and we have to live the Torah way !

    My concern is what was going on in the kitchen?
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    My concern is what was going on in the kitchen?

    My concern is the kitchen. Was there a mashgiach on the premises? How can bison and bourbon owners say they “knew nothing” when I assume it was their cooks and kitchen staff inside? If *this* was allowed where was the mashgiach? What was going on in the kitchen!? And even worse is if the mashgiach wasn’t there! How could he be with the belly dancer on a platform, hookahs, men and women lounging on beds together, wild mixed dancing was going on for HOURS? Did the party planners have their own people in the kitchen!!? This really puts a question… Read more »

    Shhhhh.
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    Shhhhh.

    You don’t like the party, shhh. You can go elsewhere. You don’t like Mimulo’s flowers, shhh. You can go elsewhere. You don’t like the Froc, shhh. You can go elsewhere. Yet you simply go and do as you do, and continuously run your mouth. Do you understand the impact that gossip, loshon hora, lack of avas yisroel has a an individual? Do you learn the falling of the bais hamikdash as if it is a novel, or a great script and simply carry on your lives as if it didn’t happen as it is documented? It is as if we… Read more »

    To all you "live and let live" people
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    To all you "live and let live" people

    What do you not get regarding the mashul that we’re all in one boat, and if you decide to drill a hole under your seat, we all sink.

    Knobel
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    Knobel

    All this because a few started using garlic
    on Pesach……

    Names arent necessary
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    Names arent necessary

    lubavitch just isnt what it used to be…and unfortunately this isnt the first time something like this has happened. I don’t think that bison and bourbon should be held responsible for the event that was in their place. The letter was very honest and the OK should not be taken away from them. Besides, it takes more than just the food for a party to be kosher. To all those comments saying that the belly dancing was ok because they were tznius- the point is men aren’t allowed to watch women dancing. Teach and encourage everyone around you so that… Read more »

    To 130
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    To 130

    I’m sorry to say u would be the bad if u went unless you were not the way u should

    Wow
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    Wow

    This is seriously becoming out of hand. This is just a small part of a big problems that has been in ch for the last who knows how many years. For all the people who are saying that the party was great and the belly dancer was tznius- NO SHE WASNT I being a girl who has friends that listen to goyish music and wear short skirts know what this is about. The fact that you looked and saw she was “tznius” means U looked which if you are a man is against the Torah . And WOMEN do you… Read more »

    Hypocrisy
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    Hypocrisy

    Tznius in CH has been lax for years and no one said a word.
    The bungalow social scene is 10 times worse than this prim party. Where is the outrage?

    It's the mashgiachs job to stop this!
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    It's the mashgiachs job to stop this!

    I’m a mashgiach and I don’t understand how this even even happened. Granted I live oot and assume ny may have higher standards. In any restaurants that I’ve worked in, we have a policy, no mix dancing, non Jewish music, any type of secular advertisement such as Halloween or valentines. I’m seriously confused how this got so far. Whenever restaurant owners try to push the rules the mashgiach must mention this to the kosher organization.

    Times of deep Golus
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    Times of deep Golus

    We are in such a dark time of golus that those who should be holding up a status or authority, are dragging everyone down into the dirt. This kind of party was of such a low state, like the times of Achashverosh, and the fact that it occurred with people from Crown Heights itself!!!?? its a shundah!!

    This article is a disgrace!
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    This article is a disgrace!

    The fact that COLLive had the audacity to publicly shame the organizers of a PRIVATE PARTY is shameful. People are free to run whatever type of party they want and it isn’t your business. In fact the general shaming expressed by the “frum” community is worse than what they’re shaming for. Why are you paying attention to what people wear, own, say or do? If you have a problem with it, why are you specifically looking out for it? This is especially true with tznius. The top advocates for stricter rules in that regard LOOK OUT for people not meeting… Read more »

    Grow up
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    Grow up

    So some people want to live their lives differently to you? Live your own as you see fit, the rest is not your business.

    People keep saying the dancer was kosher & tznuah
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    People keep saying the dancer was kosher & tznuah

    I’m interested in knowing how this could be. Is the article inaccurate in describing it as a belly dance? If not, how can a belly dance be done in a kosher manner?

    To #250
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    To #250

    And it’s as if people who do objectively WRONG things are addicted to the notion that they can do whatever the he** they want and not be judged for it. **man running down the street carrying a machine gun** “don’t judge!” That’s what your comment sounds like. The issue isn’t that you don’t like being judged. The issue is that you’re probably the kind of person that doesn’t think that anything you ever do is wrong. “Worry about your own challenges,” Yes, I have no issue when everyone COLLECTIVELY worries about their own challenges and doesn’t start spreading their immoral… Read more »

    KOL HAKAVOD TO COL
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    KOL HAKAVOD TO COL

    Thank you for running this. Painful, but important.

    Bochur in yeshiva
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    Bochur in yeshiva

    I’m a bochur in crown heights with a filtered smartphone to block out all nonsense (yes sometimes I fail and see inappropriate things) and then we have these “hot” married women walking down the avenues dressed inappropriately for the world to see. What am I supposed to do? Not look? It’s a problem when the prevention for bochurim is to stay away from talking and gazing at women when we have this runaway model show on the streets!

    -bochur who’s trying to have iskafya

    To 224
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    To 224

    As a mashgiach myself, you should remember that this party was taken place on erev Purim.
    Chances are the regular mashgiach was off & they found a temp.
    Furthermore, most likely the temp had no idea about anything reserved private party.
    My guess is that the owners went a bit over the edge when they allowed this & the party planners went a way overboard as well.
    The party planners have some esplaining to do…..

    Good job COL
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    Good job COL

    For speaking up

    This stuff comes around
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    This stuff comes around

    In my time I’m this world – I have seen to camps of children that attend this type of event and that get stuff with -drugs,women,etc etc . Either parents that didn’t make yidishkiet beautiful to their children and forced and punished kids . #2 was the parents that were “lite Chabad” …then things looked very different but their children are suffering . My message would be love your kids and make yidishkiet beautiful – having a weak connection with g-d has children getting stuck in really bad places . The people at this party almost all have a very… Read more »

    ???לשון הרע
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    ???לשון הרע

    to all those concerned about loshon horah!
    well part of you think there is nothing wrong with what they did, so why is it loshon horah?
    and to those that realize the depth and breadth of the damage and vandalism such a event entails, it is very important that people know who stands for what so that they can educated decisions re their interaction etc with these individuals.

    234: what?
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    234: what?

    #234 your comment was poorly worded. I couldn’t understand.

    Tznius remains an issue in chabad. It is a shame but comes with our openness to the world. We try our best and many succeed in setting the tone and withstanding negative influences but we sort of play with fire. It was always a risk. Unfortunately it is hard to control…

    emetine
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    emetine

    interesting thing is that people seem to have money to get belly dancers but they don’t have the creativity to have exciting ideas to do things within the boundaries of Torah and the Rebbe’s inyonim. Its partially about the committment to Torah and halacha, and also about being able to be creative to find clever ideas which fit within the gevulim

    godel hamachtio yoser mhorgo!
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    godel hamachtio yoser mhorgo!

    to all the “all we need is more love and no judgement” people: the greatest hatred is to allow someone to do an aveirah! wake up! If you truly love someone, would you allow him to take a knife and stab himself and other people?

    Mechitza
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    Mechitza

    This is a wake-up call! All kosher restaurants should have a mechitza. Men and women casually sitting around and eating is totally a goyishe thing!

    What’s the big deal?
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    What’s the big deal?

    So there are people who live as modern libavitchers who threw a wild party . This isn’t anything new for 2018 either. There are always and always have been the modern ones, the rebellious ones, the different ones, and I don’t mean that in a derogatory way just stating facts. In every group and community since the beginning of time there was and will always be People living their own free lifestyles and the only outrage is how it affects others. They’re not hurting anyone and if any one is worried how it can influence others or your own than… Read more »

    from a high school student
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    from a high school student

    in my humble opinion,
    this party hurt my neshama. we celebrate this holiday in order to repent the sins of all those who went to the party of achashvarosh. this completely went against all we tried to repent for. there is room in my heart for forgiveness and i hope one day we can assure the community will never come to such atrosoty again. with much love it warms my heart to tell you we do forgive you!!!

    @228
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    @228

    The only way a bellydance came be done in “tniusdik manner”, is for an women-only audience. Even with the midriff covered, it is too seductive for men to watch. That is the whole point of the style of dance. Pretty sure the only people saying the bellydancer was “kosher” are women, who viewed her through the feminine gaze. The masculine gaze would have just seen hips swaying in a suggestive manner. This is the exact reason, it is forbidden for men to watch women dancing.

    Apology letter is poorly worded
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    Apology letter is poorly worded

    Not to knit pick but B&B’s apology letter was poorly edited and rambled on and on.

    Some question why COL had to publish this story but, frankly, it is good to know that there are serious problems in CH and that people should know that their actions can be exposed. Of course, I don’t agree with publishing the actual names of people involved only because this is not the forum to do that in and it is uncertain as to what they knew or not.
    Hope this just scares people into doing the right thing.

    Hit em where it hurts
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    Hit em where it hurts

    Guys …. the organizers of this event like everyone else are living in a confusing world in confusing times …. don’t hurt their paranoid don’t boycot the neshomos behind this event … hit them where it hurts …. hit their yetzer horah … he hates truth and love and light and only thrives in an environment of hate and darkness .. so hit these neshomo s with love and truth and kindness … try it … you will see !!

    I don't get it
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    I don't get it

    Was this an event by chabad people, or by fried out disturbed bums? It’s time we crack down on those trying to destroy the Crown Heights community. Of course publicize names! These people and others causing such things should get the message – this will not be tolerated!! And to all those condemning this event while they themselves are chote umachti es harabim every time they walk out of their house because of the way they’re dressed: STOP FOOLING YOURSELF IN THINKING THAT YOU ARE FRUM AND A LUBAVITCHER IF YOU ARE DRESSED AGAINST HALACHA! DON’T PRETEND YOU CARE ABOUT… Read more »

    209
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    209

    Thank you for your comment. You are possibly the only teenager who commented and your comment is very sensible. Basically, you are saying, everyone stop being so opinionated and let’s think and discuss how to react. You are headed in a good direction.

    Crown Heights
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    Crown Heights

    So sad people should be able to party which ever way they want and if you don’t like it that way you don’t have to go. I don’t Get why everyone in this town is so inside of everyone else’s business

    KOL hakavod
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    KOL hakavod

    To #231 Buchor in Yeshiva! Women don’t realize that by walking down Kingston or any street I tzniusdik and provocative it hurts the young boys in our community . Thank you for speaking up!
    This also goes on in the Bungalo colonies women have to watch the way they walk around when there are teenagers and older boys counselors looking at them

    To all those who are suddenly concerned about loshon Hara and causing machlokes...
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    To all those who are suddenly concerned about loshon Hara and causing machlokes...

    Funny that many of these are the same people who are the first to publicly name and blame hanhala, Rabanim, bochurim, with no recollection of hilchos loshon Hara (and in most cases motzi shem ra) and no care for sholom then…

    To 231
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    To 231

    Its a cruel world towards me nowadays. I’m really sorry about that. Luckily the tide is starting to change and even in the goyishe world they are starting to appreciate modesty. This season it was easier than ever for me to find inexpensive tznius clothing online bh! It’ll take a couple more years but hold on tight! As a young married woman it does seem there are many more appropriately dressed tzniusdik and chassidishe women than men. It’s worth it having yiras shomayim. It leads to the best life and marriage. Me and my husband are living it up now.… Read more »

    Lashon Harah, Rechillus
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    Lashon Harah, Rechillus

    It falls under either/both categories depending on your perception. 100%. Seeing this posted has not enhanced my life in any way. It has only let me know of others’ sins- information I can do without, as can probably 95% of this site’s readership. The people who this information is possibly relevant for are Crown Heights rabbonim, school principals (who can then give a watered down version for high school teachers to discuss with their classes- and no names necessary), and other community leaders of Crown Heights. Anyone else who needs to know will know. All Collive needed to say was… Read more »

    There is always a time to speak up!
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    There is always a time to speak up!

    Other than the constitutional right to FREE SPEECH, it is completely commendable by Jewish law to stand up for what is wrong and hold firm to what is right! Especially when something that is of this nature. These business women/men are from our community – serving our community. There is full right to be outraged and boycott these vendors. The details of how Bison and Bourban apologizes but the men and wives were in attendance enjoying seems very hazy to me – but its probably the best ‘business move’ on their part to keep their OK hechsher on their store.… Read more »

    Purim 2018
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    Purim 2018

    If you ask me this is not so bad. I mean this is the natural evolution of Crown Heights. People dont want to feel like its 1860s in russia, let the people indulge in the small pleasures of life.

    People who thinks it's only nowadays
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    People who thinks it's only nowadays

    There were always people falling out of the system.
    There was recently an article on col about riots in lubavitch and the Zionist youth. It did not just start after gimmel Tammuz. I’m not saying it’s right to do what they did and I’m not judging them because I don’t know them but by saying negative things about them you are pushing them away even farther. These kinds of people already feel like outcasts. By being kind to them it leaves more of a chance of them staying closer to us

    @253
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    @253

    you dont even know what real pleasure is. torah is the real pleasure. to think the chabad chassidim would do such a thing and then after say it was ok is disgusting. go learn some tanya. apparently you never have done that before. dont call yourself a chassid if you think this is ok. this is horrible absoulutly horrible. this is so disrepectful. dont do this in crown heights where it is not accepted. crown heights is the ir hakodesh.

    It's not lashon hara to expose frauds
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    It's not lashon hara to expose frauds

    In the famous sicha of Purim 5718 the Rebbe speaks about the importance of pointing out that which is wrong and who is suitable for what. The Rebbe says that it is not lashon hara and one should not try to speak subtly since the point will be lost!

    THERE IS ALOT OF PURE LASHON HORA GOING ON HERE
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    THERE IS ALOT OF PURE LASHON HORA GOING ON HERE

    This is what destroyed the beis hamikdash and what is holding back moshiach. WHEN WILL WE LEARN TO CHANGE OURSELVS INSTEAD OF POINTING OUR FINGER AND FOCUSING ON OTHERS

    Well said #229 and 252!
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    Well said #229 and 252!

    Yes there has to be public outrage for inappropriate information behavior that affects all of us as a klal. It astounds me how people can blatantly go against things that are so important to the rebbe, yet hold up the “love card” in the rebbe’s name at the very same time. How convenient. Love includes standing up for what’s right for the sake of future generations.

    Good for COL
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    Good for COL

    We as a community are happy that you brought this to our attention. You helped many people finally open there eyes to what’s going on around them. I for one saw but ignored it and looked past it. Now we all got are eyes wide open to see the damage by not saying anything, has done to our community. You removed the stumbling block from many blind people. Our eyes are open wide. THANK YOU for that!! As to the store owners I’m not judging I’m not Hashem. Every Jew is a diamond.

    Old fashioned junk
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    Old fashioned junk

    For those condoning this despicable behavior in the name of being “modern “ and “with it” know that in truth you are super old fashioned and dragging up musty, stale arguments. Live with the times? Get with the program? Blend with the crowd? Hmmmmm… rings a bell. The hellenists, the haskala movement, early arrivers to America land of the free… They all spouted your philosophies. Oooooooold story. Yawwwwwn. Can’t you come up with more original excuses for breaking Halacha? Bending Halacha to fit a lifestyle is actually an old fashioned thing to do. Get with the program! Moshiach is coming… Read more »

    Not ok
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    Not ok

    To all those who feel this article is just gossip, maybe it’ll cause the organizers to be embarrassed enough to not do something terrible like this again . Like it or not, these sort of things bring down plenty of others with it and effect the community as well . If it’s open to the public, it’s not a “private party” , sorry.

    Mushky from CH
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    Mushky from CH

    This is why moshiach is not here. Jewish people need to love one another.

    Ahavas yisrael is the main point of Judaism.
    Embarrassing another Jew in public is as bad as murder. Take a long hard look at yourself and ask, do you have the authority to judge someone for his journey? Does anyone besides hashem have the authority to judge? It just makes me sad.

    The rebbe would be ashamed at this.

    To 162
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    To 162

    Very important to say Mushky from crown heights. As if your name gives you a free ticket. This isn’t about ahavas Yisroel this is about TZNIUS liman Hashem. One of the foundations of Jewish life is at stake here. This is not about pointing fingers, it’s about speaking up for what’s right! What they do can be their business but what my children see them do is MY BUSINESS!!! When there are toxic fumes in my backyard you can’t say “Ahavas Yisroel don’t judge-let them do as they please and spread their toxic waste”. No way! It’s not okay to… Read more »

    SD- To more sensability in the future.
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    SD- To more sensability in the future.

    With all due respect, I feel that COL was completely out of line in publishing this shameful story. Why wash our dirty laundry in public ? Crown Heights ( not Chabad, not Lubavitch ) residents have more than amply earned a reputation by thier lack of tznius. Broadcasting a further proliferation of this , and other unbecoming behavior does not bode us well. This is besides the animosity and rechilus that the article caused. We have so much good to offer the world, but unfortunately nefarious activities such as this make bigger headlines.

    super confused chabad teenager
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    super confused chabad teenager

    I’m honestly so confused by this whole situation. I’m not saying that it was right but everyone has their standards and own levels. Isn’t Chabad all about loving everyone for who they are? Isn’t it about helping people through their challenges but not focusing on the bad??? I guess everything I’ve learnt in Chabad doesn’t count with people that are instagram people, and people that are role models (which btw they are, so whoever said they’re not… ur 100% wrong!!!!!! I’ve gotten a much stronger love of being a jew from people like that. from people that aren’t so closed… Read more »

    There is no known reason...
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    There is no known reason...

    why Moshiach is not here. The Rebbe started the nesius talking about AHAVAS YISROEL and the last sicha we have so far (this week’s!!) speaks of the above. This was the theme from beginning to end. This is indeed the very basis of Torah. The sicha actually speaks of how Vayakhel and pikudei each have their own lesson. Vayakhel-achdus in serving Hashem. Pekudei- Figuring out the personal details. The Rebbe says how in that year they were read separately, and that shows how just the first lesson Achdus is already enough to bring the revelation of Moshiach. Why did that… Read more »

    Sorry!
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    Sorry!

    The dancer was kosher and quite a thrill. The backlash is just jealousy,

    Confused teenager
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    Confused teenager

    Courageous of you to express yourself on a forum which can, at times, be antagonistic and/or judgemental. Spend time thinking about your ideas from many angles, with people you trust, to form powerful and meaningful outcomes. You are the future and how you form ideas will effect the whole world.

    To #265
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    To #265

    There’s a difference between someone who isn’t frum and someone who considers themselves to be chabad/frum/lubavitch however you want to refer to them as. Someone who considers themselves chabad but then goes out not tznius, or claiming to be selling “modest clothes” which actually makes people think it’s ok… is a whole lot different than someone who is a tinok shenishbo. Of course you have to “embrace” everyone and their differences but that’s in order to help them get stronger in Torah and Mitzvos… I agree with the fact that it isn’t ok to name them and shame them but… Read more »

    be nice
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    be nice

    i dont know all the organizers. but , the interactions i had with the beautiful women from mimulo was just amazing . their store has great service and they make thhe most beautiful arrangements they are beautiful inside and out a crownheights residentt tthat shops by mimulo p.s if you were wondering what type of person i am . ill let you know that im a very chassideshe tznius girl i never have a gap between my leggingss and socks my knees are never showing my kkids only wear tights even in the summer because socks sometimes exposes legs…. hatzlacha… Read more »

    Taken to an extreme. Again.
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    Taken to an extreme. Again.

    Every once in a while there is an article that causes everyone to explode at different people. The patten though just comes to show that maybe change should be made on the part of those outraged because obviously these actions aren’t going to stop is just your perspective that can. Good for those who are trying hard to unite with a frum crowd on purim a day for celebration. Keep in mind that a bar is going to happen one place or another it just matters where and with who. And shoutout to the organizers who only invited adults 21… Read more »

    To 265 from young shlucha
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    To 265 from young shlucha

    Happy to explain a bit here but please ask your high school to farbreng about it. The Rebbe explains in a sicha about the four sons that the Chochom is seated by the Rasha in order to influence him positively. However this is only the case when is Echad Rasha – he has the Echad – he is open to hearing and growing. However if he came to influence the chacham, he has no place there. Same thing here. Everyone here including all posters on collive is imperfect and has where to grow. We all know that. And ahavas yisrael… Read more »

    Some facts for the record
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    Some facts for the record

    1. Persia is not in Arabia and Persians are not Arabs
    2. If the Rebbe was here this party would not have taken place.
    3. Golus is the worst

    ignorant...
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    ignorant...

    Whoever designed and approved the poster for the party is so ignorant, its laughable… Arabian Nights in the Persian Palace, on a background of a picture of the Taj Mahal, which is in India? Persia is NOT an Arab country and Persians are NOT Arabs. They are actually Caucasian. Basic geography and general knowledge.

    Agree with # 216
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    Agree with # 216

    The food cannot be considered kosher either under such circumstances!

    To number s 5 and 7
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    To number s 5 and 7

    You are both out of your minds. Your yiddishkiet is obviously in dehr ehrd.
    Anyone who was involved should be boycotted. The way thospeople walk around is a total disgrace in any case. I wonder how long their marriages will last with this kind of promiscuous behavior?

    To # 34
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    To # 34

    There is no such thing as Chabad or Lubavitch ‘lite’. They are into ‘heavy’ goyishkeit and aveiros! It’s just a term coined by those who are trying to keep their no longer frum relatives connected at all costs. Even if many vulnerable and impressionable youth are damaged in the process!

    remember
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    remember

    The beis hamikdosh was destroyed because of sinas chinum not belly dancers. The yetzer HaRav is evil and so what is more evil, not loving each other or having a wild unchassideshe party? While you’re disagreeing with someone’s lifestyle that is their journey remember to be nice if you really want moshiach to come.

    to 265 young shlucha...
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    to 265 young shlucha...

    You posted about the not-yet-frum vs. this situation, and I think most shluchim are comfortable with not-yet-frum because these people are happy and open… and they’re never judgemental to the shluchim themselves.

    But what is needed now are shluchim to reach the used-to-be-frum. The Rebbe would say it’s time to step up. This means shluchim need to look at themselves. This situation is only a reflection of ourselves. We need to look where we are slipping into ‘lite’ whether through our dress or actions to others – or our own gayva.

     LA Morah
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    LA Morah

    The fact that this was in the open,with no busha,is part of what’s so terrible. Some want to flaunt their non tzneeus, goyishe life style and then are upset when there’s fallout. That’s just immature. It’s also immature not to acknowledge that when you identify as a Lubavitcher and dress/act untzneeus,you bashmeer Lubavitch and our Rebbe.

    To 272
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    To 272

    You made my day! Many thanks, and may you have only revealed brochos. One of the all time best comments.

    no one has even noticed this yet!!!
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    no one has even noticed this yet!!!

    Everyone is talking about how Persians are not Arabs and Taj Mahals are not in Persia or Arabia. What really concerns me is that the organizers used to goyish date “Feb. 28th”.

    We are so blinded by the tumah of this that we are failing to focus on the real problem.

    Rabbis?
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    Rabbis?

    Did the Rabbis of the community get the facts? Did they make a statement? If not, I can understand the confusion. If so … why not print it?

    ose2
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    ose2

    I’m glad it was not my kids involved in this. No shame, but really, its just something which would not happen if the Rebbe would be here. Where is the love that all the kids had for the Rebbe? and don’t say that the dancer was tznius or you don’t know your halacha, that men can’t see women dance, even if they are dressed tznius. this is just way too far for….the Rebbe’s shechuna. One step, and then down more…..

    It's up to us!!! Stop complaining and DO!!!
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    It's up to us!!! Stop complaining and DO!!!

    The Rebbe said on Nissan 28, 5751: “I have done all I can…The only thing that remains for me to do is to give over the matter to you. Do all that is in your power to achieve this thing, a most sublime and transcendent light that needs to be brought down into our world with pragmatic tools… I have done all I can. I give it over to you… I have done my part. From this point on, all is in your hands…” LA Morah, “us” means teachers and shluchim. We are all shluchim. Since over half of your… Read more »

    Total disgrace
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    Total disgrace

    The BIGGEST chillul hashem that can be performed. But I still think events for these people should be made in a kosher manner

    #285 emes
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    #285 emes

    Absolutely the truth, I didn’t stop being religious because of my hate for Judaism or Gd, but because of the hypocrisy I saw from teachers and shluchim, our role models. The gossip, all tho focus spent on what we look on the outside and the focus of money turned me off late in life. I’ve been through the system, met many different shlucjim, traveled the world and I’ve only encountered 3 families that truly represent the Rebbe’s teaching. There was nothing that they said to get me back on the derech, all they did was quietly, modestly live a truly… Read more »

    To 279 from young shlucha
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    To 279 from young shlucha

    Of course whoever is friends with these people should try to influence them in a positive way. I also do that with my friends. However that doesn’t mean that the community should tolerate negative influence affecting us in the meantime.

    Another example: a Jew for j rl tried to give materials to the Rebbe. The Rebbe didn’t smile nicely because of ahavas yisrael. The Rebbe threw it to the ground in disgust.

    Purim at the persian palace
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    Purim at the persian palace

    This party really was “Purim in the persian palace”

    to 265
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    to 265

    to are 100% correct in being confused. I can only tell you that these things have NOTHING to do with Chabad or Yiddishkeit. There is a group in CH, large as it might be whose agenda is to run after gashmius as if there is no tomorrow, whose motto is IF IT FEELS GOOD AND IS KOSHER, DO IT. Sorry, but you can not have both worlds, there is no such thing as having “kosher fun”, you are serving either Gd or you are serving yourself. This is not me being holy, just look at Tanya’s first chapter. LETS BE… Read more »

    To #22 and to #290
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    To #22 and to #290

    It will be a matter of time before all the pictures emerge. Nothing can stay a secret anymore!
    I totally agree with 290! Well said

    290 and 291
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    290 and 291

    I wouldn’t go ahead and say there is no such thing as kosher fun. Please youre not helping anyone by saying stupid blanket statements like that.

    to 292,, regarding "kosher fun"
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    to 292,, regarding "kosher fun"

    Chovos haLevavos, Chapter 3, seif 25: “As water and fire cannot abide together in one vessel, so love for this world and love for the next can not dwell together in the heart of the believer”. “This world and the next are like two rival wives: mollify one and you antagonize the other” Tanya Chapter 7: The existence of every act in mundane matters that contain no forbidden aspects…, when they are not performed leshem shamayim and instead they serve only the desire of the body even when it is necessary to preserve the body (food etc) and not to… Read more »

    Bison knew the lineup for the night. But they can't say that.
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    Bison knew the lineup for the night. But they can't say that.

    Also, I didn’t go. But I saw the instastories. Mere snippets. Which can only make one wonder how much worse it was in reality. Only one thing crossed my not-closed-mind: so this is what they mean when they say history repeats itself. It looked more like an Achashverosh party than anything Purim miracle related. Just another opportunity for a bunch of insta bloggers to promote their accounts, maintain social media relevance, and feel like they’ve traveled anywhere remotely close to real history or far flung cultures without going too far out if their INSTA realities. It’s really sad what this… Read more »

    Wow
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    Wow

    Can I give everyone a good suggestion?? ( I’m not at all sarcastic)
    Go out. Do something for someone. Act above this behavior. Learn from their mistakes to never repeat them yourself. Improve a little more in your Avodas Hashem. Spread more light. Have Ahavas Yisroel. Why should we focus on all the Lashan Hara? Why do people have to gossip the whole day?? You want things to change? Well, work first on yourself and hopefully THAT will have an effect on others, not all this badmouthing which can seriously RUIN people’s lives.( talking from experience)

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