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    How about:
    Guest
    How about:

    How about all the hachnosas orchim of Crown Heights people? Why don’t you mention that? Don’t judge us based on a few comments

    a shlucha
    Guest
    a shlucha

    Thank you!

    I guess you seem think
    Guest
    I guess you seem think

    I guess that you seem to think that all of Crown Heights
    does their business in the streets of Crown Heights…You know so little of the real Crown Heights, only what you need of them.

    Wow
    Guest
    Wow

    your a angry one….you should talk to someone

    Thank You
    Guest
    Thank You

    You couldn’t have said better

    I'm a shlucha with kn"h a bigfamily  only 150 miles away from NY
    Guest
    I'm a shlucha with kn"h a bigfamily only 150 miles away from NY

    Due to the strong tznius problems of young married women, I avoid coming to CH with my children (if i know that these women will be out on the avenue, f. i. a nice whether etc..)

    All in agreement
    Guest
    All in agreement

    What this young lady is writing is true-that is the way of a free market. As a Shlucha,I understand my own siblings issue with the fact that I get discounts in tuition or camp fees because we are Shluchim.They are struggling with parnosso,though they both work hard,and we on shlichus are living an easier life financially and are definitely not suffering as shluchim in far off countries.and yet, without question ,we get these discounts. I DO understand that this is hard for people to understand,because in truth I don’t get it either.Moisdois should look at every situation individually.In fact, it… Read more »

    to 6 - dafakt et eged
    Guest
    to 6 - dafakt et eged
    To 7
    Guest
    To 7

    Please don’t make a blanket statement.

    Most Shluchim are still far from being financially comfortable.

    And they deserve any discount they can get.

    #7 dont talke for everyone
    Guest
    #7 dont talke for everyone

    Don’t talk for all Shluchim – B”H Hashem bentched you with parnasah – but there are plenty of shluchim that are having it so hard, no fixed income, live day by day and even discounts are like a drop in a bucket. sending kids away from home cost close to 80,000 a year including plane tickets and more.

    Your siblings "issue"
    Guest
    Your siblings "issue"

    I am in the same situation as # 7 but my siblings have no “issue” with the discounts that we get, they are happy for us.

    I understand that others are struggling, but why would anyone be upset if someone else gets a discount?

    I would add to the article
    Guest
    I would add to the article

    In addition to everything the young Shlucha wrote, what about the thousands of toishvei hashchna who live there full time and support the shchuna 24/7, but who are only there because of the thousands of shluchim who were mekarev them and sent them to live in CH? This is a 2 way Street, each side gives and supports as much as they can and Chassidim zaynen duch eyn mishpocho so we are helping siblings, vartzst af a yasher koach?

    nice house = comfortable life?
    Guest
    nice house = comfortable life?

    Not every shliach is living a very comfortable life..many many many shluchim are struggling …people always make it seem like shluchim living most comfortable lives..its not true..how many challenges are they living with on a daily basis?! Even if they have a nice house- they do without alot of the food that you may be accustomed to…dealing with challenges that make you want to run the other way constantly…

    Wow!!
    Guest
    Wow!!

    Very impressed by the clarity of this article. I don’t think this young lady is at all confused or angry, in fact it seems as if she knows exactly what people tend to miss. I happen not to be a Shliach but being that I help Shluchim as much as possible, I see that her words are so true. To the Shluchim keep up the amazing work:)

    Seperate but Equal
    Guest
    Seperate but Equal

    It is about time that we all get to grips with ourselves. Every person had a place and personal Shlichus in the world. They were born for a purpose, and were placed with reason into specific circumstances to fulfill a certain mission in their environment. Some of us are privileged to do so in a revealed fashion, while some of us do so in a more hidden way. Those of us on the Rebbe’s shlichus, and involvement as a source of income in the Moisdos Hakdoshim, are lucky to be able to opnely and freely dedicate their lives to making… Read more »

    no answer
    Guest
    no answer

    this post provides no explanation to the tiered pricing for camps, tuition, etc. between shluchim and non-shluchim. Also, there’re many Lubavitch families that don’t leave in Crown Heights, but do all this shopping described above in CH – it does not entitle them to any special treatment because of that.

    a CHer
    Guest
    a CHer

    As a Crown Heightser with lots of family on shlichus all over, I have some perspective. Pity this young girl already feels the us/them issue 1st and foremost – don’t take to heart all the comments on these sites (except mine 😉 of course). they are often written in the heat of the moment, and not necessarily by the most thoughtful people Next, yes shluchim get certain discounts, and that feels unfair to those of us that don’t benefit from your business, but host many of your visits. However, many, many shluchim pay HIGHER tuition because they are sending their… Read more »

    to #6
    Guest
    to #6

    so do people in your town dress overall more tzniusdik than in CH, or do you just keep your kids at home all the time?

    To #6
    Guest
    To #6

    We are so proud of you…… let me guess you prob keep your kids home the whole day…. or when a bale bos comes in wearing shorts you run away…..Give me and your kids a break!

    Lame lame lame!
    Guest
    Lame lame lame!

    Whats your point woman!?

    To number 7
    Guest
    To number 7

    Thank You. The writer thinks that by spending money in C.H. Local stores, this helps everyone. We thank everyone for coming and spending money in the C.H. but this does not help most families. If you really want to help. I am sure if you look a little you will see people who are in need. Instead of always asking from the Crown Hightsers. It would be nice if you open your hand and help the people in need In the C.H. who are really suffering, There are a lot of them…. The above is only for the writer as… Read more »

    Ctizen Berel
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    Ctizen Berel

    Hello, Ms. Daughter of Shluchim,

    Citizen Berel promises that most peoples what live in Crown Heights loves the shluchim and don’t think that shluchim get special treatments what are meaningful and lead lives of leisure and relaxation though you probably do live in one of those places what have things in front of the stores where you can park your car for no money and that really isn’t fair but I digress. You really shouldn’t pay any attention to any comment what’s on the websites what are bitter.

    to#6
    Guest
    to#6

    Your comment adds nothing to this discussion.

    TO # 7
    Guest
    TO # 7

    SO WHY DONT U PAY FULL AND LET UR SIBLINGS GET THE BREAK

    To 7
    Guest
    To 7

    The concept of a “Shluchim Discount:” is not a new one, nor does it apply only to Shluchim. All over the country/world, there is something called a “non-profit discount.” Yes, that mean all Jewish or non-Jewish organizations. It would be too much to figure things out on a cae by case basis though that may be ideal.

    Point 2: It’s bh great that you’re okay financially, but there are hundreds of more Shluchim out there who work 24/7 (not just 9-5 like a regular job), are very careful with their money, and have almost no means to cope.

    disagree
    Guest
    disagree

    while a few store owners may benefit, that’s probably less than 5% of us , the rest of us, the crown heights hosts, really work hard accommodating your guests all year…….you’re a bit confused….

    Crown Heights Hachnosas Orchim
    Guest
    Crown Heights Hachnosas Orchim

    To #1 and the entire crown heights…. you are 100% right, there is no community like crown heights that has such wonderful Hachnosas Orchim….. and the somewhat 4000 shluchim families have that same Hachnosas Orchim…. whether you show up in any city for business and pleasure….. Im sure that you have been serviced by the Shluchim…. whether with food, a minyan or visiting a sick relative… those shluchim go out of their way to help you…. its sad and unfortunate that such a wonderful community like CH has people that ruin it for them….. Here is to a wonderful KINUS… Read more »

    its a bout 2%
    Guest
    its a bout 2%

    The stores in c”h is about 1-2% of the community and maybe 10% of kids go out to shluchim for yum too. Plus the difference is way higher when it comes to tuition. So what u talking about. It seems like you enjoy to stare up a angry topic so why am i even writing

    barely scratches the surface
    Guest
    barely scratches the surface

    There is a much bigger issue at play and it is not the fault of any individual and certainly not their children. Lubavitch over the last 20 years has been consumed with shlichus at the expense of all else. When a bochur or a sem girl is raised in a culture where going on shlichus is a higher calling than being a milamid, a morah or a shoichet, we have a big problem on our hands. When I was growing up in the late lamed’s and early mem’s, becoming a Shliach was certainly a great option to pursue but was… Read more »

    to #7
    Guest
    to #7

    you are right and it is nice that you feel that way, although many shluchim don’t have it so easy. Many shluchim are working without a budget, they don’t have a job that they are making money from. They live day by day trying to fundraise and get the money to run their programs never mind just feeding their family.
    So yes unfortunately everyone has it hard and we all need to help each other when we can!
    Thank you shluchim for all the work you do out there for yidden all over!

    if u havent noticed...
    Guest
    if u havent noticed...

    there is a big difference to a bale bos dressing a certain way, and a CH lubavitcher dressing that way. At least in her place of shlichus she can explain to her kids the difference bet them and the bale bos. But what do you say to your kids who see CHers dressing inappropriately and not according to the halachos of tznius? #6 has a valid point and its time CH becomes a place that people are proud to walk around in! How are our kids going to learn to dress like a proud lubavitcher if they dont have role… Read more »

    to #18
    Guest
    to #18

    One misconception that’s very common is that many of us tend to think “what’s the difference between people dressed immodestly in ch or anywhere else” the problem that we don’t realize is that its much easier to educate a child by telling him/her that’s a goy/secular jew and we’re different but when someone’s in ch with his/her children the child will think to himself what’s the difference between us we’re both lubavitchers…………..

    gelt
    Guest
    gelt

    if u love money u can’t really love Hashem
    discount for 2nd or 3rd shluchim is ok but there are rich shluchim that should pay full tuition and others confortable shluchim that should pay more

    to # 18 and 19
    Guest
    to # 18 and 19

    In my town, i can tell my kids “don’t look for inspiration to those dressed inappropriately, as we are Jewish, frum, and chassidim” In Crown Heights, it is harder to explain to my kids why we are dressed differently.

    I'm # 6 I'm writting with pain
    Guest
    I'm # 6 I'm writting with pain

    We all know, what we teach & learn in our mosdos, Tznius is # 1 subject , every day we teach, learn, speak, etc..etc.. about Tznius. We teach our children that we- not just Shluchims children, but- Bnos Chabad in general, supposed to be a “Dugma Chaya’ for the entire world. Yet every time I come to CH, I tremble, I’m ashamed how low did we fall, (it reminds me on the famous crying of the prophet Jeremiah in Eichoh קרי-ה נאמנה איכה היית לזונה’ ‘ .. CH used to be the dearest, very proud, most desirable place for me… Read more »

    Citizen Berel
    Guest
    Citizen Berel

    Too holy to come to CH…

    Are you serious? You are on the Rebbe’s shlichus and you cannot contend with that there are foolish people who dress foolishly in CH. That is embarrassing.

    I see holier shluchim than you visiting Kan Tziva all the time. I even see holy Yidden who live in Kan Tziva imagine that. There is nothing true and nothing at all praiseworthy in talking smack on websites against the entire Rebbe’s shcuna.

    Your kids are not as fragile as you think.

    to #29
    Guest
    to #29

    Very well said there are ehrliche yidden who arent on shlichus who should be given discounts as well

    Parent of Shluchim & living in CH
    Guest
    Parent of Shluchim & living in CH

    I think she has a good point, certainly it’s another POV. HOWEVER… to #7, my children on Shlichus struggle very much, mainly because of the cost of online school. I am still waiting for someone to explain to me why tuition is so high when the only overheads the school has is its principal, administrator, teachers, IT staff & server expenses. Every child has to have a good computer with hi-speed internet access. Parents pay. No books….parents print out worksheets etc & buy the kids’ sefarim. No lunches… Mommy makes those. Janitorial help & supplies….Mommy again. Insurance? forget it. Recess… Read more »

    Mushka B.
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    Mushka B.

    I never comment but I have to say comment 29 is the only one that seems to have gotten it.
    I think you should take your idea deeper, find answers and share them with us. I think you are hitting on something very deep and true.
    Waiting to hear from you more.
    I was about to post my name because of how strongly I feel about this but I’m sill shy about my name being on a public site like this:)

    Some shluchim have it easy...
    Guest
    Some shluchim have it easy...

    While some, Like My family are struggling majorly.

    Fargin, fargin, fargin!
    Guest
    Fargin, fargin, fargin!

    Taking away from someone else won’t give me more!
    #15 has encapsulated what the Rebbe has taught us. A Lubavitcher by definition follows the teachings of the Rebbe….

    to#34
    Guest
    to#34

    Your comment proves their point and your self-righteousness.

    suuurrrrrrreeee
    Guest
    suuurrrrrrreeee

    but the shluchim cud for exaample get a free coffee while the crown heightsers cant…stupid example but u get the picture…

    I may add some clarity...
    Guest
    I may add some clarity...

    To those who pitifully attempt to defend and justify impropriety.

    We are all children of the Rebbe in some sense.
    Humility, Modesty, Benevolence, Grace, Refinement and Regality are all personified by the Rebbe.
    These are promoted by Torah, part and parcel with Jewish education and community for thousands of years, and insofar cultivated into the very DNA of the Jewish family.

    At a glance it’s obvious that you know better and that you deserve better treatment of yourself.

    A child can see that you are not ignorant or a peasant.

    Blessings and success.

    Note to #29: Those are all Shlichus; and often even officially so.

    -Good day

    # 15 and 29
    Guest
    # 15 and 29

    ..long to read but spot on!
    1. We are all shluchim!
    2. Look at the big picture – 5000 people coming to kinnus shlichus… only few hundred to kinnus chinuch. Charity starts at home so lets clean up our own backyard…..!

    to #9
    Guest
    to #9

    Shluchim don’t DESERVE anything. they made a lifestyle choice and they understood what they were getting into. and while they’re doing a beautiful thing don’t confuse yourself to say that tyey are entitled to anything extra as a result of it. If schools and institutions are kind enough to give back to these shluchim thats amazing and praiseworthy. but its wrong to say that shlichum are entitled to something that others are not.

    to #31
    Guest
    to #31

    When I come to Crown Heights with my kids, and they are looking at those who are not dressed appropriately, I just tell them that they are from Park Slope or if they recognize them, I tell them that they don’t yet know the halachas of dressing appropriately. EY’H they will learn soon.

    Us vs Them Mentality
    Guest
    Us vs Them Mentality

    Where does this “us vs them” mentality come from? Aren’t there so many programs and conventions that bring EVERYONE together? No? Well there should be. Why are locals EXCLUDED from the convention? Local money is welcomed with open arms, but try participating or attending ANY session and you won’t get past security. Our homes are open to the guests but the programs are closed to us. That creates a rift between “us and them”. Yes we are all equal chassidim, but some of us are more equal than others (at least in their minds). You preach how much the locals… Read more »

    Enough of everyone looking at others. Haloch is the same for everyone
    Guest
    Enough of everyone looking at others. Haloch is the same for everyone

    Tzniues is a halocho either you follow or you do not follow, or anywhere in between. Teach your children the halocho.
    We must stop looking what others are doing whether they are satmar , lubavitch, yeshivish, sefard, modern orthodox, conservative, reform, etc. all these names are self made labels and apply to anyone who wants for these labels to apply. That’s it!
    Be respectful to and for yourself religiously and secularly, and you will be successful. Looking and judging others will bring you down. We see it by the religious and secular worlds all the time.

    Pleaseee
    Guest
    Pleaseee

    Can we PLEASE stop being judgemental all the time!

    Plane tickets
    Guest
    Plane tickets

    Ever thought about the plane tickets shluchim have to pay to get their kid to the bus or to the school/yeshiva???

    To 46
    Guest
    To 46

    From kind of bitter home are you! Shluchim DESERVE a lot. I don’t mean to put down anyone else on here at all, I’m not here to argue the differences between ch v shlichus.

    Just YOU and your comment! When you see charity people who go to Africa, to help save the kids from diseases, you must say, wow, good on them. Good charity that.
    Same here! 10 times more fold! U bitter bitter soul

    Ok then
    Guest
    Ok then

    where do you think CHers do their business? They also give a lot of business to CH! And btw I’m just sort of curious what’s the tznuis connection?

    to #6
    Guest
    to #6

    I understand you. People don’t understand: There is a huge difference between between someone not frum wearing a mini skirt and someone with a sheitel wearing a mini skirt. And yes, no-one in my community dresses anywhere nearly as provocatively as the nebachs in CH

    what a shame!
    Guest
    what a shame!

    many shluchim have this attitude that they are better than crown heights people.
    most shluchim seed money for starting up ,came from crown heights.
    every1 has their shlichus they are doing in 1 way or the other.
    the rebbe said we are all on shlichus

    Us and Them
    Guest
    Us and Them

    There are the shluchim and then there are the rest of us. In our small community, nearly half the anash are shluchim. And I know for a fact that they get a break on tuition for the in town cheder. I know about all the discounts they get in Crown Heights and from certain websites and businesses. I just don’t see why half our community gets this special treatment. Many of the shluchim do less than us ordinary people. I don’t mean to sound bitter or judgmental. But there are people on the payroll who do NOTHING that would be… Read more »

    no apology
    Guest
    no apology

    shluchim dont have to apologize. they should get discounts in tuitions and more. they dont have to defend themselves

    Instituitons have to get with agenda and take care of their responsibilities like having fulltime people finding the funds besides constantly hocking the parents

    Sruly Clapman.
    Guest
    Sruly Clapman.

    Amazing the writer of this article and 50 people who commented are scared to use their names how do you spell “coward” in English :). Lets stop the crap, The crown heights community is treated like 2nd class citizens, we are asked to host Orchim all Tishray, then have over all the Shluchim and Shlucos at every convention, then have all the bale batim stay our houses as well, and when we travel to places the Shlucim say we should not “use them” I can tell you first hand stories how people were stuck in airports in foreign countries and… Read more »

    Ariel
    Guest
    Ariel

    This is a sclichus topic not the exhaustive tznuis topic. I’m trying to read different view points and some you are missing the point of the discussion.

    Not yet on Shlichus
    Guest
    Not yet on Shlichus

    I have been living here in ch for quite a while and to be honest I wanted and still want to go on Shlichus myself but the reality is that if you don’t have a Shver who is a head shliach or uncle or brother in law who is in charge of a state or county it’s almost impossible to go nowadays. What I have a problem with is the fact that my friends who were zoche to go (because they have a fancy gezhe last name or married in to it as opposed to me who married a daughter… Read more »

    Shlucha
    Guest
    Shlucha

    When we send our children to Yeshiva in Crown Heights our big Shluchim rate is still a lot more money than CH families paying for their child in the same class! Like others mentioned intowners get a big discount. Regarding the Tzniyus in CH, I was in CH this summer and YES it was very shocking and embarrassing, it did come to my mind how can I possibly bring my kids here, the very place I grew up?? Just to clarify, majority of people that come to our Shul, are dressed, out of respect for the Shul, Rabbi, Rebbetzin etc.… Read more »

    shlichus is a responsibility, not a frat club
    Guest
    shlichus is a responsibility, not a frat club

    Shlichus is NOT only for a “select few”, shlichus is for everyone – (the Rebbe said it)
    Shluchim should feel that they are not superior to everyone else, but rather, that they, are working IN CONCERT with EVERYONE ELSE towards carrying out the Rebbe’s mission.
    ES KUMP’T ZEI GORNIT!
    ADERABA, ZEI DARFEN OIS FIREN DOS VOS MEHN HUT ZEI AHERTZU GESHIK’T…..

    to #7
    Guest
    to #7

    If you can afford to pay more tuition you should pay more. Just because the discount is there doesn’t mean you have to take it.

    # 47
    Guest
    # 47

    you think your kids are so stupid

    Agree with 6 totally disagree with 18 & 19
    Guest
    Agree with 6 totally disagree with 18 & 19

    You obviously don’t get it. When these kids see lunavitchers dressed in such a way it makes a whole new impression on her of what lunavitchers girls are supposed to look like. After all if everybody in ch is dressed like this it must be fine, as opposed to walking in the streets where they live on shlichis although woman are dressed immodestly and people behave in a certain way still shluchim and their kids know that we are above that and that we are here to be an exple and influence to others not vice versa chas vesholom.

    Confused??????
    Guest
    Confused??????

    please don’t confuse the white people in crown heights with lubavitchers. Half the time you don’t even know who is who??

    so...
    Guest
    so...

    who cares

    great article
    Guest
    great article

    good for u for writing this.
    I am a Shluchah and my daughter has a hard time seeing the pple in CH that are tznius bec they’re frum and supposed to be tznius rather than the pple in our community that are not tznius bec. theyre not frum- very different.

    untznius women
    Guest
    untznius women

    need sympathy. they are confused, empty, shallow, insecure or all of the above. most are only doing it because everyone else is…theyre weak.

    The hachnosas orchim in CH is unmatched anywhere!
    Guest
    The hachnosas orchim in CH is unmatched anywhere!

    But I always leave cash with my hosts, feeling better about
    contributing toward my stay.

    CLARIFICATION
    Guest
    CLARIFICATION

    CLARIFICATION Shluchim do not get a discount.. …in crown heights mosdos locals pay less tuition than shluchim do. I have compared. …that is larger than anyone else applying for a scholarship in any camp or school based on financial circumstances. ..because they are entitled to one. They get a discount because they have expenses outside of day to day living expenses that people who live in CH do not. Such as: -room and board ( $550 per child per month) -tickets: for kids to come home for yomim tovim and /or school vacations, to come into CH for their own… Read more »

    Discount for all in kli kodesh!
    Guest
    Discount for all in kli kodesh!

    The discounts should continue for Shluchim, and all those in kli kodesh!
    Teachers, morahs, local Rabbonim and all those that instead of living glamorous lifestyles take a lowly paycheck – which we all know is measly…- they work work day/out for the betterment of our children and communities.
    Lets give them the break they deserve!

    Shliach Grateful to CH
    Guest
    Shliach Grateful to CH

    I am a shliach. And I am so grateful to Crown Heights. When I sent my young daughter to Bais Rivkah for a few days during a visit, BR would not take a cent. Need to call Rabonim in CH for Halachic advice? They have time to talk to me. When I made a chasuna (mechutan was also not from CH) in CH, no problem – everyone is so accomodating. And, of course, the best is Devorah Benjamin. What a lifesaver! I want to give back, and I’m sure I speak for many shluchim. Shluchim are helped by Yad L’shliach… Read more »

    I dont't agree
    Guest
    I dont't agree

    my friend is a shlucha and she gets plenty of things from her communite, is well off finacially yet still gets the discounts!! some people ares turgling to make ends meet… ithink people shudlook into whether they actually need the money before getting the shluchim discount. Is this fair?!

    To 46
    Guest
    To 46

    Well said!
    A Shliach

    stupidity
    Guest
    stupidity

    So you are on shlichus and buy from kehos and the shluchim office. Wow.
    The food you get from crown heights you would have bought of you had stayed in ch too.

    Then you make a wedding in crown heights and get it paid for by the local hachnosas Kallah.

    Thanx for giving back to the community.

    Lucky shluchim
    Guest
    Lucky shluchim

    I live here in CH and can’t afford any of that!

    Shlichus as seen by a Crown Heightser from birth
    Guest
    Shlichus as seen by a Crown Heightser from birth

    A friend of mine once told me that he loves the Kinnus Hashluchim for one reason and one reason only: “For 3 days of the year I feel like two cents as I compare myself to all the Shluchim and all that they accomplished for The Rebbe and The Aibishter. “Just for the ability to experience this feeling of humbleness, the whole Kinnus is worth it.” This says it all! We are both advanced in life (closer to 60 than to 50) and we’ve seen it all, and this is the absolute truth. More power to the Rebbe’s Shluchim, let’s… Read more »

    Small town shlucha
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    Small town shlucha

    I think the shouchim’s discount during the kinus is about so much more than a financial break. I know mechanchim and others are underappreciated, but there is something particularly isolating about being in a place where a Jew you’ve never met sends you hate mail accusing you of being “offensive,” or a Jew you’ve never met hangs a public notice letting people know that you are “mysogunistic, backwards people” all because of their prejudice against religious Jews. Anyone can feel underappreciated in their line of work, but dealing with people apathetic towards their Judaism (or worse!) on a daily basis… Read more »

    very nice but you forget major point
    Guest
    very nice but you forget major point

    1) before going on to the details I’m gona tell you something I am a shliach too the CH ppl DO NOT SUPPORT SHLUCHIM ITS NOT TRUE you have very few guy who are giving to shluchim maybe 15 ppl and the rest they give 1-5$ and shut the door, dont tell me you have a lot of shluchim, its pretty rare to see shluchim knocking on doors unless you are part of these 15 family’s all the other ppl they are giving to their family that are on shlichus. today every one has family on shlichs so family help… Read more »

    This article is a bunch of B.S.
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    This article is a bunch of B.S.

    Well, technically what she said is true but she totally misses the point. True, many shluchim give a lot of business to CH’ers, but how does that help the CH moisdos if those storekeepers etc. are giving their tzedakah money to their kids/brothers/friends etc. on shlichus? I have no problem with people giving their money where they want, but let’s not pretend that the tzedakah dollars are not being sucked out of CH. I don’t know what the solution is, and I’m not suggesting we stop supporting shluchim, but we need to realize that this is something that sets us… Read more »

    FYI
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    FYI

    Shluchim don’t get these things -CH (or BP) prices on daily living, rather, at least double, triple and more on most key items, -section 8 (vail m’arbait shoin 10 yor unter’n tish . . .) -food stamps -medicare/medicade and all the other US handouts not available in other states or other COUNTRIES -cheap labor for cleaning help, babysitting, fixit man and on and on (ever paid $25 per hour for cleaning help?) -free transportation to school -a neighborhood that has all the schools you need, dozens of shuls to chose from – shluchim in the US get cheap gaz and… Read more »

    Best line so far...
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    Best line so far...

    When a kinnus for shluchim attracts over 5000 and a kinus for chinuch only a few hundred, we know we have a problem.

    ATTENTION EVERYONE, WHAT ABOUT TEACHERSZ
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    ATTENTION EVERYONE, WHAT ABOUT TEACHERSZ

    I have nothing against the shluchim. But why can’t teachers in crown heights receive the same benefits as teachers from out of crown heights that are considered shluchim? There are many teachers living in Toronto, Montreal, Israel etc. that receive all the shluchim benefits, even though the live in a regular chabad community

    To number 80
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    To number 80

    U have ur baalabatim and now u want money from CH ers too??
    CH money needs to stay in crown heights! help the schools , teachers, anash!!
    take a walk down Kingston ave these days and it’s pretty obvious how this community is suffering!! Instead of giving money to shluchim to build their Multi million dollar Chabad houses , or to fly thousands of israeli’s over here for yom tov – I’m sorry but charity starts at home.

    tznious?
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    tznious?

    To all the shluchos complaining about the CH tzinious problem, get over yourselves. People in CH deal with this nisoyon on a daily basis. We can’t put our kids on a pedastel and tell them your better then everyone else because of…. We have to tailor our chinuch with a much more nuanced message. Something like “even though your best friends mother looks like she just came from a film casting depicting Times Square in the 1980’s,w don’t do that in our family. Tznious is too important to give it all up just for parnossoh and for that chance to… Read more »

    BUT THE MONEY DOES NOT GO BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY
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    BUT THE MONEY DOES NOT GO BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY

    JUST REMEMBER THAT ALL THAT MONEY SPENT GOES TO MAKE A FEW STORE OWNERS WEALTHY OR PERHAPS JUST A PARNOSA AND MOST LIKELY MOST OF THER TZEDAKAH GOES TO SHLUCHIM.

    I AM A SHLIACH BUT HAVE ALWAYS SAID THE PROBLEM WITH OUR CHINUCH IS WE DO NOT PUMP OUR MONEY BACK INTO THE COMMUNITIES AS WE HAVE SO MANY CHABAD HOUSES TO SUPPORT….WE ALL HAVE A RELATIVE OR TWO ON SHLICHUS

    Anon
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    Anon

    Thanks #6 for trolling and changing the topic of discussion. What’s the point in putting your name #58 and how does that make people cowards. Do you work for big brother?

    im a shliach
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    im a shliach

    and pay $10,000 per child for tuition in the local school. thats a lot morr than what most crown heightsers pay. the only discount I get when I shop in crown heights is in hamafitz and judaica world where I save up to $5. no food/grocery stores give us a discount. our rent is $2000 for a 2 bedroom – thats more than what you pay in crown heights. when we lived in CH, we paid $1200 for a 2 bedroom. but I do agree that the division should be people that are in kli kodesh and lubavitchers that are… Read more »

    to number 85
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    to number 85

    Couldn’t have said it better myself

    No Problem!!!
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    No Problem!!!

    There is no problem with shluchim getting discounts, no problem with them having their events, no problem with shluchim coming t CH and benefiting from hachnasas orchim, EVEN: no problem with ch residents supporting shluchim by making donations. BUT, CH is different, we are a growing maturing community with growing needs, we need to do better for ourselves. Our shlichus is to build our community. Most of our efforts and tzedaka should be going to our own community, and especially our schools. Our schools are working so hard with such a holy and huge task, and their goal is our… Read more »

    a shlucha
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    a shlucha

    I definitely think that shluchim benefit from ch a lot more than ch benefits from shluchim. and we appreciate our “home base” with all the reaources, hospitality, support and yes also tje discounts in the mosdos. but I dont think the diacoints come to shluchim specifically b/c of an elite status its based on financial need and most shluchim can use the assistance. majority of ch mosdos are giving discounts to any anash that need it not just shluchim. but also keep in mind that a shliacg sendjng a child out of town even with the discounts ends up paying… Read more »

    Most shluchim
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    Most shluchim

    To #82 It seems you are on Shlichus in a far away place and I am truly impressed with your life and messirus nefesh but here in America there are hundreds of shluchim living in frum neighborhoods where all the things you mentioned are at their fingertips just like ch’ers, also many shluchim live within driving distance from our schools and their kids are our kids classmates, while I think its great that they get a discount, many ch families are struggling and they are made to feel less of a human being by requesting a discount when a shliach… Read more »

    to #82
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    to #82

    Which shluchim are you talking about? Half of our community are shluchim. The school can hardly function and the teachers don’t always get paid. Everyone is allowed the “regular” discount. So, who gets the big discount? We live in a community with kosher food and many Jewish (and frum) children. I get so tired of hearing how the shluchim need to go to the kinus to get chizuk. Like they are the only ones working? They are the only ones with many children and struggling to pay for private schools and bar mitzvahs and weddings, etc? We all need chizuk.… Read more »

    Hello #89
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    Hello #89

    You obviously haven’t lived here for awhile – it is next to impossible to get a 1 bedroom for $1200.

    comment
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    comment

    I just wanna let you know, i am a Shlucha and we don’t get as many benefits as you CH’ers think. We struggle on a daily basis and our money comes from donations from our COMMUNITY NOT CROWN HEIGHTS. Yeah, maybe we get a dollar or two off in a store, but do you send your kids away just to go to a jewish school and play for plane/bus tickets? Do you have to ship meat and don’t have much kosher food around? Do your kids have ZERO frum friends to play with on a daily basis? Do you have… Read more »

    NO ONE GETS IT
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    NO ONE GETS IT

    ENOUGH OF A SEPERATION BETWEEN CROWN HEIGHTERS AND SHLUCHIM.
    WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM.
    JUST LIKE ENOUGH OF ANTIS AND MOSHICHISMS NOT LIKING EACH OTHER.
    I BET NO ONE WOLD LIKE THAT THEIRS KIDS WOULDNT LIKE EACH OTHER CUZ THEY HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS

    stop
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    stop

    guys stop making a big deal the TRUTH is that shluchim barely get discounts anyway
    end of discussion

    I agree with #46
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    I agree with #46

    i agree with #46 shluchim are not entitled to anything, this Eliteist attitude never existed in Lubavitch and shouldnt exist but unfortunately is rampant. A Shliach who think that he entitled to anything has it all wrong, he should be serving his community and shouldn’t feel a sense of entitlement, he is a represntative of the Rebbe, Shluchoi Shel Adaom Kimoisoi. The Rebbe never had this attitude if anything a Shliach should have the ultmiate Bitul that yes he is a shliach but who’s Shliach is he?? who does he represent?!?!?
    A Shliach

    #48 Be INCLUSIVE ot EXCLUSIVE!
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    #48 Be INCLUSIVE ot EXCLUSIVE!

    That says it all.

    to 95
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    to 95

    this is 89.
    Im on shlichus for 5 years and lived in crown heights 6 years ago. that apartment is still $1200 – its small and.the owner lives out of town s(my friends live there now)

    #97
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    #97

    THANK YOU!!!

    agree with 99
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    agree with 99

    shluchim chose a way of life for themselves. yes, the Rebbe definately encouraged it but would he agree with this mentality of entitelement? i dont think so.

    when the rebbe spoke to the shluchim
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    when the rebbe spoke to the shluchim

    i didnt see ch’ers running to liosten, cuz they know the rebbe wanted and will speaking devroim relevant to the shluchim.
    it is not an elitist attitude, it is a necessity.
    all you guys talking about the thrill and the vacation destinations, i doubt YOU will last a minth out there, without a social life, without a school, without friends for your kids.
    without god food available, no restaurants, no money to fly to see your family (for the first few years at least), i be you will ALL come back begging within 9 days.

    so plese, shut the *&** up.
    thank you

    WHY SHOULD THERE BE A SEPERATION?
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    WHY SHOULD THERE BE A SEPERATION?

    THEE SHOULD BE NO SEPERATION BETWEEN SHLUCHIM AND ANY OTHER FRUM JEWS. SHLUCHIM CHILDREN THINK THEY ARE HIGHER THAN OTHERS, AND SOMETIMES MAKE THE REGULARS FEEL BAD THAT THEY ARENT!!

    I am number 101
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    I am number 101

    Sorry for all the spelling mistakes, but was son angry at all these comments. My point being you guys won’t last 9 days out there alone. Main point being, it is not an elitist attitude going to the kinus (like you all making out), it is a neccesity for these shluchim! They need this! For you it’s a bit of fun, this is where they draw their life force from, so let them enjoy, and make the most of it. Let them forget about their communities, problems, ect for a few days. They are here to feel like us for… Read more »

    I wish to be in this discussion
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    I wish to be in this discussion

    .. but remain silent

    Everyone is right
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    Everyone is right

    You each have a point and there is no right or wrong, but i do know that the Rebbe asked that the shluchim be charged as little as possible to be able to come to the kinus. For $36 they get 100 times worth that. But the Rebbe would not allow them to be charged more. Not sure if the Rebbe said the same about ch’rs. Point being coming to the kinus was important to the Rebbe as a chizuk for continuing. Yet it doesnt take away from the fact that the ch is also struggling and have extraordinary hachnosas… Read more »

    89 & 101 (This is 95)
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    89 & 101 (This is 95)

    Your friends are amazingly lucky. The majority of CHers are being priced out of the neighborhood. I have countless friends stuck in one bedrooms with 3 children sharing their room because they can’t find anything affordable.

    This is 95 again
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    This is 95 again

    What I find the most frustrating about these conversations is the idea that if you’re not on shlichus and have a regular job (without a degree mind you because we are not supposed to go to college) you either are supposed to be rich and not need tuition discounts or if you do you’re just a lazy shlub. Meanwhile if you’re lucky you’re making $30,000/year in NY. Like I said earlier many of my friends with three kids are stuck in one bedrooms. How could they afford a two bedroom if they all start at $1500 unless you know someone?… Read more »

    Ashreinu?
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    Ashreinu?

    #106, you sound clueless. No one cares if a shliach goes to a kinnus and we are happy for them. Don’t you see how yours and my childrens’ wellbeing are comprised by Chabad’s near obsession with shlichus? Let me ask you this: 1) as was already noted in another comment, Kinnus Hashluchim has over 5,000 participants, a reletivaly new kinnus for chinuch attracts maybe a few hundred, what does that tell you? 2) CH venders give discounts exclusively to shluchim while CH schools are notoriously late in paying their teachers. What does that tell you? 3) There are over 1,000… Read more »

    To 32
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    To 32

    Teaching a child tznius merely by saying we are different than secular is never going to work. Time to work on yourself. Tznius is a core, positive Jewish value, and though it does separate us from the nations, that isn’t its main thrust. We need to be proud of our dress and sorry for those who don’t get it at the same time, without feeling superior.

    To 111
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    To 111

    I was continuing from comment 103
    So before u come out with your son story,read all I’m trying to say.
    Good you decided ur shlichus in life to

    To 111
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    To 111

    Wow – I concur with every word that you say. My question is.. what can those of us who have woken up and smelled the coffee do about it.. surely there must be some way of going forward – perhaps coming together with like minded people to discuss what to do would be a way forward.

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