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Old Scroll Proves Chabad Is Right

A 13th century (circa 1270) Ashkenazi Torah scroll, one of the oldest in the world, proves the Alter Rebbe's spelling of a word is correct. Full Story

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Carbon Dating
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Carbon Dating

I thought carbon dating is unreliable for estimating age in the many letters of the rebbe.

Number one
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Number one

What the rebe was discussing was with regard to the age of the world. With regard to objects carbon 14 is almost 100 percent accurate.
David Shapiro

Aleppo Codex
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Aleppo Codex

Peretz says that “the benchmark comparison is to the Aleppo Codex…” How can any comparison of a sefer Torah to the Aleppo Codex be made, when the Aleppo Codex is missing nearly the entire Chumash?

It proves nothing
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It proves nothing

All it shows is that the Ashkenazi tradition is an alef, which we already knew. We also know that the Sefardi tradition is a hei. We didn’t know which tradition is correct, and we still don’t know.

And it has nothing to do with Chabad or hte Alter Rebbe. The Alter Rebbe didn’t decide anything, he just followed the Ashkenazi tradition, as one would expect since he was Ashkenazi.

hayom yom
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hayom yom

the rebbe writes it in hayom yom

to #2
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to #2

Isn’t the Rebbe’s statement that carbon dating is unreliable at least and a sham at most referring to dating objects to estimate the age of the world too? What other carbon dating could the Rebbe be referring to?

Re: Aleppo Codex
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Re: Aleppo Codex

Its only missing the pages recently (since 1948) rabbis & researches had looked at it earlier (in the 1800’s) and had made notes regarding a lot of question we have in Masorah and this was one of them, and there it’s also like the alter Rebbe.
If you goggle it in Hebrew you will find it.

Not new
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Not new

This controversy was resolved way before this, by a Torah scroll more ancient than this one. Anyone who says hayom yom knows that.
But it’s still cool

to #6
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to #6

there are different methods and different elements used for dating objects, not necessarily “carbon”

CH'er
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CH'er

Reading here all comments after the article itself,

1 question I have for ya’ll

“Do we need the legitimacy of a scroll from the 12th century to validate the words of the Alte Rebbe and the Rebbe ?

Seriously guys !!!!

The rebbe on carbon dating
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The rebbe on carbon dating

The gist of the rebbe’s argument is you can only do it within a known range, if you have ten objects from the 1300’s, you can reliably date others with a similar carbon result as being from the same era. But if an object is from before recorded history there is less reliability to date it, and the further you go beyond confirmed objects the less reliable the result. The problem with all the age predictions is they are extrapolating way out of the range of recorded history and are not taking into account the conditions that could have been… Read more »

To #10
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To #10

Yes, unfortunately, our nefesh habehamis needs that reassurance. …

shtusim
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shtusim

eilu vaeilu divrei elokim chaim (eiruvin 13b).

????
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your nefesh habohamos!

Not a breakthrough
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Not a breakthrough

For years, manuscripts were supporting our view, not just the two which the friediker Rebbe saw that’s recorded in hayom yom. Also, if I’m not mistaken, sefardim have had it with alef all along.

Title misleading
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Title misleading

As a number of comments have pointed out, both traditional spellings are valid. In any event, halacha is not determined by archeological discoveries.

confirmation.
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confirmation.

The question is not strictly Ashkanasi vs Safardi. There are many Safardi scrolls with aleph and many Ashkanasi scrolls with hei. This one is confirmation that aleph is the genuine Ashkanasic minhag.

Carbon dating
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Carbon dating

generally refers to the age of the universe. It is invalid because creations created in their mature form appeared
much older right after creation. Also, after the flood, things
were affected by the floodwaters.

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