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Muslim Imposter Groom Speaks Out About His Lies

Ali Hasan "Eliya" Hawila, the Lebanese-born man who shocked the Jewish world after recently marrying a Jewish woman in Brooklyn, went public on Motzei Shabbos in an interview with Zev Brenner on Talkline, about how he gained entry to the Jewish community and ultimately married a Jewish woman. Full Story, Audio

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There go his chances
November 14, 2021 1:49 pm

Nobody will ever convert him now.

I don’t know why zev Brenner even interviewed him. Clicks?

No, not clicks
Reply to  There go his chances
November 14, 2021 5:03 pm

Information is always good. It gives a clear picture of what’s going on, brings awareness of these situations in the future, and can give closure- to a certain extent- to the victims

“I didn't want to leave the love of my life”
Reply to  There go his chances
November 14, 2021 10:51 pm

So that’s what it’s all about. Him losing his own love. What about her? I’m sorry but this man is not lying his way into a pizza shop…  he is dealing with real life. Marriage.  which is fundamentally built on trust. it’s a full-life commitment.  to be true and real to a person. Did he truly love her?  Why is he ready to completely destroy her life by upholding the most basic information about himself, his identity. The Probation of intermarriage is well-known among all religions. If he loved her why did he make her marry a non-jew? This is… Read more »

Paradigm Shift
Reply to  “I didn't want to leave the love of my life”
November 17, 2021 11:11 pm

You’re coming from a perspective that acknowledges an “etzem’dike” connection between the religion and its followers; in islam, however – and the basic common sense that preceded most of the worlds belief systems – religion is entirely based on the belief. the word “moslem” translates to “one who is bottel to hashem”, something that does not automatically apply to someone simply born to “moslem” parents. Most christians go even further: all believers must go through baptism, almost a personal giur lehavdil. So to say that even though he believes in Judaism, follows its laws, fulfills its customs – even then… Read more »

Seriously?
November 14, 2021 1:58 pm

He’s blown any chance of ever being converted…even Reform wouldn’t want him. He has some real mental illness!

Reform will convert anybody with a check
Reply to  Seriously?
November 14, 2021 5:46 pm

Sadly true

lashona harah?
Reply to  Reform will convert anybody with a check
November 14, 2021 10:50 pm

At best, your comment is lashon harah, though it teeters on hotzaat shem ra. Do you know for a fact that “reform will convart anybody with a check”? To the contrary, the Reform Rabbis code of ethics forbids rabbis from accepting money for conversion.

“It is essential that the relationship of the rabbi with a prospective ger (convert) avoid any semblance of commercialism. The mitzvah to instruct prospective converts and to officiate at their ceremonies of gerut (conversion ) precludes the charging of rabbinic fees.”

Non-Monetary Commercialism
Reply to  lashona harah?
November 17, 2021 11:24 pm

the denials of reform and their efforts to prevent said “commercialism” doesn’t preclude its existence; if anything, the reform movement has an acknowledged lack of control over its rabbis (which has sometimes led to breakaway movements, sometimes not); and even if we believe that it doesn’t exist and there are never any cash-for-conversion transactions, reform as a movement does not force any jewish preconditions for giur, e.g. belief in the jewish religion (talking about how converts should have “jewish ethics” is an oxymoron from a reform perspective, where anyone can form their own definition of “jewish ethics”). ergo, reform will… Read more »

Lets play devils advocate for a moment.
Reply to  Seriously?
November 14, 2021 6:18 pm

What are chances that he had no clue that a non jew marrying a jewish girl is such a big deal?

What if he was never told clearly that if he is not jewish he should not be seeking jewish events or jewish girls?

What if he hung around jewish organizations for a few years and was made to feel welcomed?

What if he was never told he needs convert?

If he truly felt confident around our jewish organizations, then maybe he is indeed the victim as the rebbe would mention passionately in the מי יהודי sichos.

If you would listen
Reply to  Lets play devils advocate for a moment.
November 14, 2021 11:54 pm

If you would’ve listened to the podcast you would’ve heard that he tried to do a reform conversion however “I gave up because he didn’t respond“
“I knew I was lying, but I have a Jewish soul bla bla…“

Praying for the girl
November 14, 2021 2:05 pm

Don’t make yourself a victim when you knew very well that you are the perpetrator of such a heinous lie to the one & the entire Jewish Nation you claim to love. You also knew very well that like so many of my friends you needed to convert according to the Laws of Moses however long it may take & you would have been welcomed with opened arms. instead you built a web of lies and now you want her to trust & believe you. She is probably so repulsed by your actions. I pray she will overcome any trust… Read more »

I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 2:06 pm

“He portrayed himself as victim rather then the people he deceived. ” I see the situation differently. He had to go to this extreme to get to marry a jewish girl because no one was willing to support him in his decision to become a kosher jew. He already had hard time from his parents and people he was in contact with. PLUS the Jewish community? Why do yidden give hard time that forces non jews, BT etc… to lie to FFBS to “get through?!” I’m not giving going into all the illegal stuff that FFBS lie about to “get… Read more »

Nah
Reply to  I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 2:33 pm

He didn’t even attempt an Orthodox conversion or even bother reaching out to more than 1 place about a Reform conversion. That’s not being rejected by everyone, that’s giving up and taking the easy way out. There are people in far more difficult circumstances than his who do whatever it takes to become Jewish. He does not deserve sympathy.

He never tried
Reply to  I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 3:00 pm

He went to one reform synagogue that ignored him. He could have tried at least one more time if he really wanted to be Jewish. If he is admitting to lying so many times and even lieing to the person he claims to love the most such a life changing lie, how can we trust anything he says? No healthy relationship can be based off of a lie. Also, if he so desperately wanted to marry a Jew, how could he possibly allow the Jew he loved so much to do what he didn’t want for himself- marry a Non… Read more »

Responding
Reply to  He never tried
November 14, 2021 3:50 pm

1. He could have tried more? Perhaps. But isn’t it easier for people to do things fraudlike then truthful? Why when FFB yidden do fraud it’s okay? Why not conduct their business fairly? He tried once. He saw it’s not working. So he tried it the “easier” way out. Common, most people do things that way. 2. He lied so much? Welcome to most of humanity. Especially in shidduchim. People are led to believe one thing, when after marriage it goes to divorce. And this is amongst yidden! Again, I’m not on his side. I’m just saying remember he is… Read more »

He does not need to give a get.
Reply to  I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 3:24 pm

1- If He converted is one thing if he did not
אין קידושין תופסין בו
“The rules of jewish marriage dont apply to him”.

2- in halacha its brought down.
That you check to see if the guy put his eyes on a jewish girl and thats why he wants to convert.

Listen
Reply to  He does not need to give a get.
November 15, 2021 11:58 am

His desire to be Jewish began way before he set his eyes on this girl. That is ridiculous. Did you even listen to the podcast?

Have some some compassion
Reply to  I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 3:28 pm

What about the young woman who agreed to become his wife??!!!
She’s the one who deserves compassion. Nothing is comparable to the pain that he’s caused her.
May she find refua and not be scarred by this trauma!!

TO:I dont side with the arab BUT..
Reply to  I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 4:18 pm

Why does he HAVE to marry a Jewish girl?? If he MUST marry a Jewish girl, why doesn’t he convert first? Sorry, no excuse….(sounds to me he was more into companionship than Judaism)

What in the world
Reply to  I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 4:44 pm

How did this even become a conversation about ffb/bt

This is about a person who claims (if he’s NOW saying the truth) that he wanted to join the Jewish nation and marry a specific girl and lied throughout the last many years to keep up the image he had created that he was a Jew.

Come on
Reply to  I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 4:46 pm

Don’t put BT and non jews together. He is not even a potential convert

Oy vey
Reply to  I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 5:05 pm

You need therapy

Compassion on him??
Reply to  I dont side with the arab BUT...
November 14, 2021 6:09 pm

There is a reason why Torah has a process for Giyur… Lying isn’t one of them.
Besides I feel bad, the poor girl is beating herself up and they make this guy famous and all of a sudden he becomes a victim???

see sides
November 14, 2021 2:23 pm

I don’t see why, if he now chooses to convert halachically, he would be able to, and if his love, loves him, and can accept his lie based on love and not clear understanding of the depth-to-jews of the necessity to take certain steps… it might work. then again, i’m not marrying him, so…

CHT
November 14, 2021 2:31 pm

If they had some romantic spark, it would be the most honorable thing for her if he converts and they remarry properly.

He has mental or psychological troubles
November 14, 2021 2:38 pm

My summation
He seems to need a lot of therapy and guidance
And he would need a lot of therapy and help to move forward
But maybe he can be brought to a place of health
He did commit an act of deception
But maybe there’s room for him to fix his ways, get help, and maybe eventually convert

We should emulate Hashem
November 14, 2021 3:07 pm

BH
BSD

Seems like he was naive is all..
Too bad for him…he didnt just inquire about converting properly….he should do ALOT..to somehow be so apologetic to all…he should have been public…immediately when this come out..the man made mistakes…that what it comes down to…..my heart goes out to the kallah…and her family….the rabbis involved..
he didnt know ….could it be with his not the best of experiences with family etc..and his muslim neighbors etc…he just wanted a peaceful rewarding fulfilling life spiritually….in all its physical realms…
Hashem bless him and all those he hurt..

Re:.
Reply to  We should emulate Hashem
November 14, 2021 4:19 pm

As long as he wasn’t lying after, too… Then I’d agree with you. Unfortunately I don’t think I’d trust him, and probably all (or most) rabbonim won’t either so converting is probably out of question for him

Great...sigh
November 14, 2021 4:41 pm

Now some leftist rabbi will convert him and it will be recognized by the recent Israeli ruling on non orthodox conversions

Anyone considered
November 14, 2021 4:53 pm

Who knows. With his strong feeling for yiddishkeit, could he be jewish? Could his mother or maternal grandmother or great grandmother actually be jewish? Of course the right way would be to convert. Also someone wanting to convert is meant to be turned down a few times so the excuse that he tried and was turned down once doesnt really justify anything. A convert is meant to persist after rejection, he however persisted in the wrong way. It is interesting though that growing up where he did he wanted to be jewish.

Veronica Levin
Reply to  Anyone considered
November 17, 2021 11:22 pm

Exactly. He must have a Jewish soul

After living his fantasy
November 14, 2021 5:06 pm

Now we should belive his tell all

He wasn't naïve
November 14, 2021 5:58 pm

He’s not naïve, he’s a narcissist. Even caught red handed he can’t take the blame but blames the Jewish community? Red 🚩 flag 🚩.
Divorce him and run!
I hope this sweet girl isn’t traumatized for life.

Finally
Reply to  He wasn't naïve
November 15, 2021 12:57 pm

Finally,after 2000 comments from every site,someone intelligent and informed,who says the right word,narcissist.It’s incredible how much there are of them among “converts”.

Narcissist??
Reply to  Finally
November 17, 2021 9:29 pm

G-d forbid we have enough of those in “born Jewish” Jews. I don’t agree he’s a narcissistic. Most of the above comments are cruel and definitely don’t sound like they are coming from Frum people who follow the Rebbe. People have lost the plot. Obviously you people have had no experience with gerim or beis dins. בה You obviously have no empathy for this guy (btw, you can have empathy for both the girl and the guy, at the same time, you know)! For someone who feels a spark of Jewishness inside them (I wouldn’t call it mental illness) it… Read more »

What can we learn from this?
November 14, 2021 6:05 pm

Can we learn that we should be proud jews, and tell a ספק jew clearly that if he isnt for sure jewish he should go convert or his relationship with our mosdos our mekuravim is not good for us and is not good for him?

Instead of being “inclusive” and tip toeing around him while he hangs out in our mosdos and our mekuravim etc

Or is this mamash a case where we did our part but were totally ripped off?

Not the first time.
Reply to  What can we learn from this?
November 15, 2021 10:41 am

Im sure he dated jewish girls in texas a&m, it only hit home when he married a frum girl, shame on us for not putting out the fire earlier.

Problematic
November 14, 2021 6:07 pm

He is a liar and needs help but her and her family missed obvious red flags too – NSA? Come on.

Menachem
November 14, 2021 6:13 pm

Just listened to the entire 51 min of this podcast. Frankly, I needed to step back a bit and rethink this entire story. 1) you have a young man, a boy, growing up in Lebanon. His family was an unhealthy environment Torn within his emotions, psyche & mentally. Trying to figure out who he is, what he is and finding meaning and purpose in life. It’s a struggle so many of us have. Myself included within the yeshiva system. I know it I feel it and understand it very well. Results of 5-10-15 years of struggle. Searching with all ones… Read more »

Intellect doesn’t make one emotionally savvy
Reply to  Menachem
November 17, 2021 11:26 am

Intelligence doesn’t equal emotional intelligence.

Typical self absorbed psychopath
November 14, 2021 6:50 pm

He literally spends 99% if the time felling bad about himself and can’t even think about her pain for a minute and to make matters worse he keeps on tormenting her and confessing love for her.
This guy has some serious issues.

Whenever someone hurts someone else really badly and spends most of his time feeling bad about himself you know something is wrong.

Right
Reply to  Typical self absorbed psychopath
November 14, 2021 11:09 pm

Con artists are masters of deception. They get people to believe them. They have a self serving goal. I can’t believe his audacity to share personal details of the story in a public interview. Gives himself away by lying and sharing private information publicly and talking so much about love!!

They should convert him!
November 14, 2021 6:57 pm

I’m no rov yet I think the rabonim should convert him Being eligible for giurus one must show sincerity and intent. This guy has shown both. He was obviously wrong on how he went about it but you can’t say that he didn’t want it with his whole heart He seems to have emunah, practices Mitzvos and learns Torah. Let him now go through the appropriate process and become a Yid If that happens, you save a marriage (invisibly they would have to remarry – if she still wants him) and you can show the world what proper giur is… Read more »

And thats why youre not a rav
Reply to  They should convert him!
November 15, 2021 10:25 am

sincerity? intent? this guy is a con artist. and there is no way this girl would marry him again after he lied to her and manipulated her. save a marriage? what??!! theres no marriage to save, and even if there was, highly unlikely anyone would want to ‘save it’. emunah and keeps torah? no. hes not jewish. he lied to get someone to marry him. he either has severe mental issues and needs help or hes just a bad person. I’m hoping the former, but that doesnt excuse his actions in any way nor does it show anything good about… Read more »

"And thats why youre not a rav"
Reply to  They should convert him!
November 19, 2021 1:14 am

How someone wrote here: “He dealt more with relationships than with Judaism” – conversion is not related here

A Ger is like a new born
November 14, 2021 8:56 pm

When a person converts, all previous sins are forgiven. If he genuinely wants to become a Jew, and takes all the necessary steps, he must be accepted like anybody else. It’s sad what we did, but I don’t think that can be used as a reason to reject him forever.

Shimon and Levi
November 14, 2021 9:20 pm

The people of Shechem wanted to convert to marry into Yaakov Avinu’s family. “Geirei Arayos” means they “converted” to be able to get the “Jewish women” which is invalid. Sounds like this person is in the same category. Hope the person he took did not develop feelings for him, like Dinah did.

Not exactly
Reply to  Shimon and Levi
November 15, 2021 4:49 am

“Geirei Arayos” means they “converted” to be able to get the “Jewish women”

No…. But I really liked the play on words 😂

Clearly he has a few issues
November 14, 2021 11:32 pm

I feel so bad for the girl and her family. He clearly has issues that I believe can be worked through. Let’s not JUDGE him so harshly. Perhaps, if he is genuine and truly has emunah, converts properly then perhaps (if the young lady and her family) will have him back then maybe this can turn into a happy ending and not a dreadful one. I wish them both HAPPINESS.

Perplexed
Reply to  Clearly he has a few issues
November 15, 2021 10:52 pm

In our day and age you can find out EVERYTHING about a person for a small fee on the internet knowing just the person’s cell phone number. All the “googling “ should be done prior to the prospective couple ever meet in person.
I hope that HaShem grants compete healing to everyone involved in this ordeal.

Liar still convincing Jews so he can get inside
November 15, 2021 12:25 am

I can’t believe a word
He keeps trying to convince
He can still be a threat. We can’t take chances.

Saw you at sinai
November 15, 2021 5:12 am

Should require at least 1 rabbinical reference for membership

Don't Believe
November 15, 2021 6:41 am

I don’t believe any word he had said. And no one stupid enough would believe him now.

The wife
November 15, 2021 7:34 am

Oyy poor girl! I feel so bad for her! Does anyone know if she’s pregnant?

Is this even Newsworthy?
Reply to  The wife
November 15, 2021 10:30 am

Not me. This is complete deffamation of character. Please stop hating gentiles and coverts so much.

Warning!
November 15, 2021 10:11 am

The way he was speaking was not love, it was obsession. He needs emotional help or he could end up being dangerous !!!

Is this even Newsworthy?
November 15, 2021 10:26 am

Men and women do this all the time. They put on there best face for the wedding, and then once you get married you find out who the person really is. This may be a more extreme version, but no reason to cyberbully a gentile or person who wants to convert.

Lady
November 15, 2021 5:33 pm

This story just showing problem about how difficult to take Giyur. That more easy to learn Hebrew, Torah and changing life style. Then be approved by our rabonym

Geiress
November 15, 2021 11:08 pm

I am sorry I do not have sympathy for this man. As a woman who saw herself as being Jewish at young age, but I did it the right way and I never gave up. I have been halachically Jewish for over 25 years but never deceived anyone to get here.

Rebecca
November 16, 2021 2:16 pm

He should be converted and reunited with his wife and remarried. Many converts have been converted with less conviction, education and dedication. He is exactly what a convert is. He wanted to be Jewish before he met her. He was drawn to Judaism from the start. Once you tell the Rabbanim you are Jewish you can’t turn around and say you are not once they embrace you. Once you say you aren’t Jewish he is not invited and no one will embrace him and have him over for shabbos. So how can he backtrack and then say he’s not Jewish?… Read more »

Sarah
November 17, 2021 1:53 pm

People are missing the point. The focus shouldn’t be that he isn’t Jewish. That is fixable – he can covert. But he never did. the focus should be that he lived as an imposter. the life he presented is a lie. Some lies you can forgive but something of this magnitude when marriage is supposed to be based on a foundation of trust is irreparable. I can’t stand all the headlines saying young bride discovers her “husband isn’t jewish” it should be “young bride discovers she was lied to, deceived and married to someone she didn’t know”

he can do tshuva
Reply to  Sarah
November 18, 2021 9:54 am

“Some lies you can forgive but something of this magnitude when marriage is supposed to be based on a foundation of trust is irreparable.”

Their relationship may be busted and he did do a terrible thing. However that doesn’t mean that he cannot do tshuva. He can be megayer if he wants to. She may or may not forgive him but that doesn’t mean that he cannot become a ger. People with much greater aveiros did tshuva.

He is still lying ! Beware
November 18, 2021 10:01 pm

This guy is still lying 1) there is no such a thing in Lebanon , especially in southern Lebanon , “beautiful world religion conference” , and schools would never teach anything about Judaism 2) learning Hebrew is actually encouraged by hezbollah so young people may learn early on the language and culture of the “enemy” 3) if he started learning Hebrew back in Lebanon he probably got some private lessons , many hizb guys speak Hebrew fluently 4) if he really felt emptiness he could’ve easily gone to a church and convert to Christianity like many others do in Lebanon… Read more »

Student of Hebrew
Reply to  He is still lying ! Beware
November 21, 2021 3:10 am

using Google translate:
The Lebanese University and the American University have sponsored the teaching of Hebrew as an optional language among oriental languages ​​such as Aramaic, Syriac, and Latin, in the Faculty of Arts and Humanities and the Department of Archeology at the Lebanese University, and the Hezbollah group is also responsible for teaching Hebrew in Lebanon in specialized centers, according to what was published by the newspaper  2009 https://www.albayan.ae/one-world/2009-02-08-1.403874

from https://archive.ph/33H03
Author https://raseef22.net/author/49457-%D9%85%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%AF-%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B2%D9%86 Mohamed Wazen is an Egyptian journalist and expert in Israeli, Arab and international affairs.

Student of Hebrew
Reply to  He is still lying ! Beware
November 21, 2021 3:47 am

The Arab language press is treating him as a clever con man:
The Lebanese version of Raafat Al-Hagan
https://ms-my.facebook.com/almolakhsgate/videos/916172725672551/
and
Alghad TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GzSywVmQkg

My observations and a lingering question...
November 21, 2021 2:52 pm

After reading virtually every article on this and hearing his own words on the podcast, I feel sorry for him and for the bride and her family… a tragic situation all around for everyone involved. He sounds very sincere and could make for a wonderful member of the faith if he properly converts. Yes, he lied and it spiraled out of control but regardless of what’s in store for them both, it’s up to her to forgive or not. Syrians tragically don’t accept converts but if she does truly love him perhaps they can marry and live elsewhere. The only… Read more »

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