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Hamodia Regrets Omitting Chabad

Following an uproar on COLlive.com, Jewish Orthodox daily Hamodia apologized for omitting Chabad activities in recent articles. Full Story

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THE LITVISH MOSHE KATZ & to #70
February 2, 2011 5:47 pm

The interview of MK itself was not as revealing as the clarification he squeezed out, as is usually the case. The point simply is that if you are going to shine light up your own hooha just don’t forget who has been holding the flashlight. To #70, I agree with your intended message but you simply missed the point of aggitation, its like plagerism, seeing someone take credit for your work and then comment that the work was not all that good, its adding insult to injury. Nonetheless, you expressed a good message regarding human relation. In fact, I would… Read more »

To #76
January 27, 2011 11:52 pm

WAIT TILL YOU HAVE MISNAGDIM OPEN UP NEAR YOU AND DENY YOUR EXISTENCE.. THEN YOU CAN TALK. THANK YOU. BYEBYE

I AM COMPLETLY DISGUSTED WITH E/O
January 27, 2011 10:59 pm

READING ALL THE COMMENTS HERE I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE ALL FRUM PPL. THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN? TO HATE ANOTHER JEW AND THAT THERE IS NO HOPE FOR PEACE? COMMENTS LIKE 74 ARE APPALLING. THE BAIS HAMIKDASH WAS DESTROYED BEC OF SINAS CHINAM! YOU CANT JUST SAY IT IS THE OTHER GUYS PROB , YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOURSELF, IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE A SHLUCHA BUT TO ACTUALLY PRACTIVE WHAT IT SAYS IN THE TORAH. ONE IS NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK LASHON HARA OR RICHILUS! THE CHOFETZ CHAIM SAID THAT AND HE WS… Read more »

Yiddishe mamme
January 27, 2011 8:59 pm

Over a year ago I was very involved with Friendship Circle in Los Angeles the only Orthodox Talmud Torah for children with special needs who are enrolled in public school where they received their much needed services. I submitted a beautiful, hartzige article to Hamodia to be published in their national news section. I was given a nice run around with the excuse that they have to check things out. Of course it was never published. Being rather naive about their politics I asked someone in the know why in the world something so special would not be published in… Read more »

To 70 & 73
January 27, 2011 7:58 pm

Dignified and respectful? Perhaps the “kollel” would like to show how to lead in that area? Talking rechilus and motzei shem ra and shkorim behind other people’s (never mind Jews’, never mind frum Jews’) backs is showing how to be dignified and respectful or showing cowardice? Unfortunately, these are Jewish anti-semites. Too bad they’ll never learn from the Torah of the true Godol whose name is on their “Yeshiva”. This is what gives “Chareidim” a bad name here and in Eretz Yisroel and drags the name of the rest of frum yidden down with them.

#70
January 27, 2011 7:25 pm

finallly! someone who knows what he is talking about!

It occurred to me
January 27, 2011 7:13 pm

To all of the complainers about Chabad media not covering others: This (COL) is a Chabad community website that very often covers news items from the broader Jewish community and generally in a positive light. See the immediately preceeding post about Agudas Yisroel and many others like it.

#70
January 27, 2011 5:15 pm

Once again. There are lines that one cannot halachically cross. If you love every Jew, you don’t say there “is no yiddishkeit” where there in fact is. You don’t say that a Chabad mikva is treif to a non-frum mikureves unless you think that you stand to gain (Ein odom choteh velo lo). Not only did the Rebbe answer a prominent rosh yeshiva about sleeping in sukkah (again, go watch the video), The Rebbe took the kovod of chassidim during the early Lameds (70s) when a rov insulted them in a yiddish language newspaper. Those who think The Rebbe stood… Read more »

Ohev Kol Yisrael
January 27, 2011 3:14 pm

I am a product of the Lubavitcher Yeshiva system, and I am forever indebted to Chabad for helping to make what I am today. It is particularly for that reason that I am utterly dismayed at both the tone and the content of the responses of supporters of Chabad to an interview of Rabbi Moshe Katz, dean of Yeshiva Day School of Las Vegas, in a recent edition of Hamodia. The kiruv work done by both Chabad and non-Chabad organizations is wonderful and is deserving of the greatest praise. I am at loss to understand why self-proclaimed defenders of Chabad… Read more »

what a mentch for apologizing!
January 27, 2011 3:10 pm

see, that is good stuff.

#52
January 27, 2011 3:09 pm

you present litvaks as another religion. is that so? where is your ahavasyisroel?

thank you num 63!
January 27, 2011 3:06 pm

i wish everyone would understand it. you cant talk like that about other ppl!

a mistake , apologized for
January 27, 2011 3:05 pm

now move on with your life! for reasons like these, ppl say they don’t like chabad. i never hear anyone saying they dont like bubovers, or klausenbergers. dont make a big deal!

Anon
January 27, 2011 2:19 pm

#61, you just don’t get it….IT’S ABOUT THE LIES…..R. KATZ DIDN’T APOLOGIZE FOR THE LIES……He needs to know that he won’t become one of us if he mentions the word CHABAD….

A Shailch needs a pat on the back from these???
January 27, 2011 2:18 pm

Mr. Phil Sheinman’s reponse was beautifully written and anyone who sees this editorial will know that this “Kiuv guy” is playing games (I hate that term Kiruv, for who knows who is closer). G-d runs the world and does not forsake his holy Rebbes, Tzadikim and Shluchim, so leave this silly article alone. Does a Shaliah of the Rebbe need a pat on the back from this paper or R. Katz? This type of action is called Kinah and like busnesspeople, the “Kiruv guy” and this paper will not mention their “competition”. It is sad that some folks look at… Read more »

Relax!!!!!
January 27, 2011 1:32 pm

They issued an apology and in one of their other articles this week there were several mentions of Chabad. Quit the Lashon Hara and Motzi Shem Ra.

Chabad of Portland
January 27, 2011 1:25 pm

Its so sad to see yidden that will do anythign for power.

They are too self concious to admit that the only reason they are flourishing is because of others

they use the mikvas in Portland, they use their schools and they know when they have a baby they can always count on the Chabad of Portland to support them

and yet they are cowards and pretend all the yidishkeit is because of them

may moshiach come speedily and people will finally have thier masks torn away and their will be shalom in the world!

fine
January 27, 2011 1:21 pm

so hamodia is a newspaper for everone. get used to it. stop making mountains out of molehills. hamodia is not meant for chabad bec. they are not mentioned. period the end. read other stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who cares?

to 51, 53 etc.
January 27, 2011 1:11 pm

Chabad publications ARE denominational (to chabad) thus promote Chabad. Hamodia is non denominational and thus they have more objectivity and diversity (within the frum circles) to live up to. You can’t open up the Kfar Chabad Magazine and expect to read the opening Dvar Torah to be from the Bobover Rebbe. It being a Sicha from the Rebbe ought to be expected. Nevertheless, if there is Torahdik Yiddishkeit in a given place prior to Chabad’s arrival and the Kfar Chabad would publish a feature article stating that the Shliach is the first Rabbi to bring yiddishkeit to that city, I… Read more »

i agree with 51 and 53
January 27, 2011 1:07 pm

there is no changing the world . this is the way it is. if you want to change anything, start wit yourself

everone needs to take a chill pill
January 27, 2011 1:06 pm

no harm was intended, no harm was done. just accept it

To #53
January 27, 2011 1:00 pm

Once again (apparently some are really S L O W), this isn’t about recognition. IT’S ABOUT NOT TELLING BAREFACED LIES! And when you apologize, you should mention the aggrieved party, otherwise it isn’t an apology. D O Y O U G E T I T N O W?

Ashreinu
January 27, 2011 12:58 pm

Ahsreinu She’unu Chasidim – Shkoich to all those who submitted articles and allowed this matter to be brought to light
About Katz- We know youre not a Meshichist but havent you heard of giving credit – Kal haomer Davar Beshem umro – MAVAY GEULAH LE’OLON
Halevay now!!

To #41
January 27, 2011 12:57 pm

I guess Chabad and Coca Cola don’t have the right “hechsher”. 🙂

to #51 and #53
January 27, 2011 12:56 pm

You are probably correct that if Kfar Chabad or Lubavitch International would do a story on a community they may not mention the other kiruv organizarions in town. But they would never try to rewrite history to claim that there was no yiddishkeit in town before the shliach came and that is the problem with R Katz. If he would have just mentioned his accomplishments without making that false claim , I don’t think people would have been so upset.

outsider
January 27, 2011 12:41 pm

What about the other way around- since when do Chabad publications give recognition to efforts of non-Chabad activity in an area. Is it only me who senses a double standard?

Why should they
January 27, 2011 12:25 pm

Hamodia is an organ that pushes the agenda of the lavish world. They have no interest in anything other than that. We need to stop looking to the litvishe world to present the whole truth -they present their own truth. We have always thrived with the Rebbe way -facts on the ground and we know how much that really accomplishes. We should not be deterred by these slights – ask any business person that has traveled to Las Vegas in the last 20+ years – they will tell you what Chabad has accomplished their. They can write – we can… Read more »

Chabad builds Chabad
January 27, 2011 12:12 pm

Chabad builds Chabad. Show me where Chabad publications praise anything about the Litvishe velt.??? I am holding my breathe!

Agree with #22
January 27, 2011 12:06 pm

Wowww. You said it all. I couldn’t put it better than that.

They learn from us and use it against us
January 27, 2011 11:46 am

All these new so-called Kiruv movements learn from Chabad and then use it against Chabad by declaring it their own. They even train husband and wife teams for Kiruv work like the Shluchim keilu.

2 points
January 27, 2011 11:43 am

1) The other side would be the same way, if chabad was interviewd by. Lubavitch international, about chabad activities in say california, I don’t think rabbi cunin would mention that there are people also doing work such as aish or ohe sameach and other people doing kiruv.

I go tovegas for business and more then once was I stuck there for shabbos. I ended up staying in the shabbos suite at the venitian.

Keep up the good work.

ben shliach
January 27, 2011 10:59 am

once the article is printed omiting chabad, THE DAMADGE IS DONE. APOLOGIES ARE TO LATE

achdus
January 27, 2011 8:52 am

we have gotten alot of support from yidden all over for Rubashkin, we have to try to accept the apology if it shows itself to be pure. We will see

More of the Same
January 27, 2011 8:44 am

Apology? This Rabbi Katz won’t mention Chabad by name, yet it passes for an apology. The wording of his response is nothing more than political correctness mumbo-jumbo.

IMPORTANT FACT - MUST READ - NO PICTURE OF LUBAVITCHER REBBE IN HAMODIA
January 27, 2011 8:42 am

DEAR ALL – My friends at a large new Jewish magazine informed me that Hamodia will NOT allow or print a Picture of the Lubavitcher Rebbe. This is the official policy of their paper. We should not allow their paper into our home until they change their attitude.

Hamodia on Sorotov Russia did the same thing
January 27, 2011 8:39 am

About five weeks ago in their magazine about sorotov Russia. Chabad has TWO shluchim there and Shul and senior learning. An article appeared in Hamodia Magazine with NO mention of Chabad.

Gut Gezogt # 20
January 27, 2011 8:07 am

Right on the mark!
When i was at at a non-Lubavitch high school in the 80’s I was ridiculed for singing “We want Moshiach now” Guess who is talking and singing about Moshiach now?!

coke (coca cola) and chabad....everywhere
January 27, 2011 7:25 am

this is not thef irst time hamodia has omittted mentioning chabad in articles of ‘pioneers’ in places chabad has been for so much longer.

Hamodia
January 27, 2011 6:36 am

Not to mention the article about Rabbi Deren that didn’t mention that he was Chabad.

Hamodia omits Chabad once again
January 27, 2011 5:26 am

This weeks the Hamodia featured a whole article about Yidshkeit in Tunis and lo and behold … Chabad is omitted once again! No Rabbi Pinson – I guess he was forgotten by the writer who forgot to check out the facts!

who cares?
January 27, 2011 4:24 am

they hate us they us soo what
we r better then that

Farkoift - Farkokt
January 27, 2011 2:09 am

Again, Katz BOUGHT an article. Hamodia is a business. It has no real editorial standards when it comes to farkoifte (and farkokte) articles that anyone can pay to have put in.

Rabbi Katz
January 27, 2011 1:23 am

He is a follower and not a leader, he came after Chabad-Lubavitch pioneered the work of hafotzoh and kiruv levovois. Yet he wants to take the credit?? This is a phenomanon that is prevalent throught other cities and countires. Yad hachassidim will always be al elyoinoh and the Rebbe’s shlichus will never be over shadowed . Long Live the Shluchim of the Rebbe!!

confused
January 27, 2011 12:17 am

if you notice, he said there is no school in henderson, but when he signs the letter, he writes his address is las vegas,,,, so make up your mind??? are you vegas or henderson????

A letter I wrote to Hamodia...
January 26, 2011 10:51 pm

BH Here is a letter I wrote to Hamodia on June 14th, 2006 after their article did the same exact thing to my community! Of course, I never recieved a reply. To Whom it May Concern: I have some issues with your recent article, “The Jewish Folk in [Deleted]”. The Rabbi you have interviewd for this article has provided you with numerous lies. 1) Rav Chaim [Deleted] is NOT the ‘Rav’ of the community… He is the Rabbi of [Deleted] Congregation. 2) The Kollel has nothing to do with the Local JCC. 3) There is a community Jewish Day School,… Read more »

I'm sure
January 26, 2011 9:53 pm

I’m sure Hamodia has learned from this not to always trust was people – even askonim and rabonim – tell them.

They are a newspaper and their job is to report the truth. I’m continuing to read them as they are the only paper which has news from around the world and is always clean.

As for this Kartz, I’m not going to waste my time…

Not an Apology But an Insult
January 26, 2011 9:51 pm

Rabbi Katz you’ve repeated your mistake once again,you failed to mention Chabad. If you were so sincere with your activities you would no not look at Chabad as a threat but would give them the credit due to them.Perhaps you forgot the reason we are still in Galus,Sinas Chinam.Maybe you shuld have attende on of the Rallies for Shalom Rubashkin and seen the Ahavas Chinam.

oiss vorff
January 26, 2011 9:50 pm

food 4 thought !! I went to the site of Ham-modia , and i read that the news paper was orignated in the early 1900`s by 3 Gedaiolm who were on the best of terms with the REBBA RESHAB & THE FREIADIKAH REBBA . 1] REB CHAIM OF Brisk 2] THE IMRAY EMESS 3] REB CHAIM OZER GORDENSKY….

so how can they treat us like we dont count .

after all what we have done for yidishkiet does`nt make sense

Sorry excuse for apology
January 26, 2011 9:37 pm

That’s no apology.

I want to vomit from him (Katz) He can’t even utter the word “Chabad” on paper???? Either he is full of hate or full of fear.

And Hamodia’s explanation is no better. They claim to be a professional paper but then blame the reporter. Have they laid off all the editors??? Did no one from a supervising position read it? Sorry, but they are hiding behind ignorance when in fact they are part of the problem. Allowing the propaganda to fester is what they are responsible for.

HAPPENED AGAIN IN PORTLAND OREGON ARTICLE
January 26, 2011 9:14 pm

Several issues ago, Hamodia published an extremely one sided, unfair article about yiddishkeit in Portland, Oregon. The entire article praises the litvishe new comers who purportedly took a veritable desert re: yiddishkeit, and transformed it alone into a garden. There is just too much distortion to even articulate. However, all of the precious work of Chabad over the years in Portland– before the arrival of the heroes of the article — was trounced, painfully ignored. The Chabad Cheder– which the “new heroes” send all of their kinderlach to was not mentioned. The chabad mikvah– used by all– was given no… Read more »

Not good enough
January 26, 2011 9:11 pm

The absurd non apology is too little, too late.

Hamodia reporting
January 26, 2011 8:53 pm

I don’t know if this is just me but, if you are writing an article on anything from shoelaces to Yiddishkeit, you’d think they would get the full scoop, and INVESTIGATE the story instead of just asking one person?

Rabbi Katz Continues to Speak Untruth
January 26, 2011 8:49 pm

Its a short 20 minute commute from Henderson to the Chabad school where there is “Chinuch Habanim”. Sadly Rabbi Katz fails to truly apologize with his new claim. This is part of a broader shitah of Talmidim of Chofetz Chaim Yeshivas not to cooperate in any way with Chabad. Setting up in smaller communities new institutions that divert communal resources and are not needed. The same is now happening in Portland where a Kolel supported by Torah Umesorah is undermining the well established Chabad school. Portland is a much smaller community than Las Vegas. Rabbi Katz should make a proper… Read more »

Why do you need RECOGNITION?!
January 26, 2011 8:46 pm

People chill….you need the recognition?!
do you work on shlichus. G-d know what every person does.
you need a newspaper – a human to publicize how great you are?

It was a weak apology... but STILL
January 26, 2011 8:44 pm

Stop trying to cause fights! Is this what the Rebbe would want? Stop begging for this argument and anomosity to continue! They apologized! They printed in big bold letters “Chabad Pioneered Yiddishkeit in Las Vegas”. Thank you Hamodia. Continue publishing Chabad’s work. It is a Kiddush Hashem 🙂

Izzy
January 26, 2011 8:35 pm

I find Yated Neeman to be much more friendly to Chabad than Hamodia

Portland Oregon apology
January 26, 2011 8:32 pm

I Haven’t yet seen Hamodia’s good will extented to the nonsense that they printed about Portland. Again another wonderful article that “forgot” to mention Chabad and the 20+ years of Mesiras Nefesh that has built a thriving and vibrant community. Apparently Portlands Kolel Rabbi went to the same “media spin ” school that R. Katz of Las Vegas went to.

WHEN WILL THEY JUST FINALLY GET IT RIGHT
January 26, 2011 8:14 pm

in continuation to comment No# (4) I could not agree more with you, I see that this concept of not giving CHABAD the appropriate credit is a international problem and with all due respect to the Hamodia they are definitely NOT pro Chabad I don’t care how often you No#(3) reads it, it dose not change the fact even if they feel compelled to every so often put an article in about Chabad I mean how could they not, even if they don’t like Chabad which they don’t you would not be able to call your self or congratulate your… Read more »

To R' Katz and all litvak folks out there!
January 26, 2011 8:14 pm

Your only existence is because of Chabad! You only bother looking at another Jew because the Rebbe’s love and care for every yid! You only dare to talk to a secular Jew because the Rebbe stated that every Jew is a part of Hashem and is holy no matter what he did or does! You were only told to care about “kiruv” because the Rebbe instated Hafotzas Hamayanos! Your rebbeim permitted you to go to a far flung city only becase the Rebbe was the trailblazer with Shlichus! You only have people in your classes because Chabad has raised the… Read more »

R` leib
January 26, 2011 8:08 pm

u tell em 2c

Don't you people realize ...
January 26, 2011 8:00 pm

For people like Rabbi Katz, there is no “Torah Judaism” besides for his version of it. Chabad is insufficient and does not count as Judaism because it does not reach the standards he and his leaders have set for being legitimate Judaism. “Torah Judaism” is just a euphemism for Litvish standards and complete observance.

(Not that I hold it against him, many others have similar tactics to deligitimize competition.)

Anon
January 26, 2011 7:57 pm

Kollel doesn’t try to work with anyone…..they have problems wherever they go…. And still R. Katz couldn’t mention Chabad. What a chutzpah. The apology is a non-apology.

a BIG yshar koach
January 26, 2011 7:55 pm

to avi rosenberg for writing the original letter and for collive.com for defending the truth and not being afraid to stand up for the kovod of the rebbe and lubavitch

delivered
January 26, 2011 7:48 pm

i find it intresting that in Crown Heights this morning we received a free copy of this weeks Hamodia has this been the case with all the residents of Crown Heights ?

Not so sure
January 26, 2011 7:43 pm

I also agree that R. Katz does not give hakores hatov to or recognition of Chabad of Nevada. There is plenty in Henderson, to say the school of Chabad is in a different community is like sitting in Bensonhurst and wailing that all the mosdos are in Boro Park……………..

chaim
January 26, 2011 7:40 pm

its not a chuzpa! its basic reporting they didn’t both doing!
Rabbi katz didn’t just land onto the moon, las vegas and yiddishkeit arrived! basic google jewish las vegas and many different frum mosdas pop up!

not enough
January 26, 2011 7:34 pm

they try to say that the confusion was because Yeshiva Day School is in Henderson and Desert Torah Academy is in Las Vegas. NOT GOOD ENOUGH! They need to retract the lie they printed that there is no yiddishkeit in Henderson

not what he said the first time
January 26, 2011 7:24 pm

Rabbi Katz didnt say there was little in the way of Torah infrastructure in the first interview, he said there was little in the way of Torah infrastructure 4 years ago (before he came)

michali
January 26, 2011 7:22 pm

I also noticed that R. Katz did not directly apologize to the Chabad community of LV. He still did not have the mentchlikeit to even acknowledge Chabad’s many activities that has helped the LV community grow in Yiddishkeit. Shem on him.

thank you
January 26, 2011 7:15 pm

Thank you to the hamodia for this clarification!

Chabad still not mentioned
January 26, 2011 7:08 pm

If you read the Rabbis apology it is impossible not to notice the fact that he does not acknowledge Chabad by being carefully not to mention it by name.
The hamodias apology needs a bit of improvement
In any case the way they will write in the future should be their best judge.

katz
January 26, 2011 7:04 pm

still did not give recognition to chabad, rather he said there are ‘others’ who do good work as well. Hamodia, too, did not ‘really’ apologize, they just made an excuse

didyanotice
January 26, 2011 7:01 pm

did you notice that even in his clarification he can’t say the word CHABAD. lol. It’s ok Reb Katz, you won’t turn into one of us if you say it outloud.

Chabad of Vegas
January 26, 2011 6:58 pm

Here is a video of Chabad of Las Vegas from about 4 years ago:

https://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=12724

Still can't mention Chabad
January 26, 2011 6:52 pm

It’s interesting to note that in R. Katz’s so called apology/explanation, he still can’t bring himself to give credit to Chabad or even mention them by name…

This Lubavitcher enjoys reading and supporting Hamodia
January 26, 2011 6:50 pm

I commented on thi stopic under the same Title. Hamodia does in fact include Lubavitch activities around the world quite often. I know because I am a regular subscriber. I have in the past contacted the editor in the past comending them regarding the several write ups they have had in the paper, whether about Chabad Houses, Yortzits from our Rebbes or other activities. I believe their regret of misunderstandings was genuine. “Dan Lichof Zchus” was applicable here. We are ONE KLAL YISROEL and we are in it TOGETHER! to increase in Torah, Mitzvas and Maasim Tovim to bring Moshiach… Read more »

REB LEIB
January 26, 2011 6:46 pm

L.R. is Leibel Rodman…….Well written

Mentchlechkeit
January 26, 2011 6:46 pm

Anyone who has the decency to make a public apology, for all to see, and admits its mistake. . . . is a mentch

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