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    Measles Outbreak in Crown Heights

    A case of measles has been confirmed in the Crown Heights neighborhood, following widespread outbreaks around the US and Israel. Full Story

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    Selfish ppl that dont vacinate
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    Selfish ppl that dont vacinate

    Hopefully this would be a wake up call to the ppl that think about themselves and only themselves…

    AND THE SOLUTION
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    AND THE SOLUTION

    Vaccinate your children!
    This is something science, the Torah and the Rebbe all make crystal clear.

    Vaccinated or not?
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    Vaccinated or not?

    Lets report the facts please. Was this a vaccinated individual who contracted the measles?

    Vaccinate!!!!!!!!!
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    Vaccinate!!!!!!!!!

    Everyone make sure to vaccinate your children
    Don’t be selfish.

    Who said the person wasnt vaccinated?
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    Who said the person wasnt vaccinated?

    Jumping to conclusions, eh? Running to blame – Shame on you!

    Who what when  ????
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    Who what when ????

    The main question was not answered What was his name.

    to the vaccinated: get a titer test
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    to the vaccinated: get a titer test

    wonder what the percentage of vaccinated people will come with a negative (not immune) result.

    What precautions
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    What precautions

    Thanks for the news. Now what? What school? What are we supposed to do?

    Older adults
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    Older adults

    Before 1989, adults were given only one dose and need to check if they are immune or need another shot.

    Hold Your Judgment
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    Hold Your Judgment

    How old was the individual with measles? Infants under 12 months don’t get vaccinated, it is possible that it was an infant who did not yet have a chance to get vaccinated. But it is important to get vaccinated and this story should be used to raise awareness, just make sure the facts are clear, otherwise you will undermine the cause.

    To #3 and #5
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    To #3 and #5

    Why does it matter if the person was vaccinated or not, the point was that if a person isn’t vaccinated they have to take extra precautions to not expose people who cannot be vaccinated, not because of so called “religious” reasons, but because of actual medical reasons!!

    To #3 and #5
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    To #3 and #5

    Guess what, even if the person WAS vaccinated, it’s still the fault of non-vaxxers. Vaccines are not 100% effective, they only work properly when herd immunity is in place. Measles was eliminated in the US in 2000 (eliminated does not mean eradicated, rather that there were no new cases or a very low defined target rate of new cases in the US) and yet, 19 years later here we are with measles outbreaks prevalent. The only reason measles returned with such furvor is because so many people stopped vaccinating their children. So yes, it is their fault, no jumping to… Read more »

    ALSO, to add to #3's question, Orthodox Jewish OR NOT?
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    ALSO, to add to #3's question, Orthodox Jewish OR NOT?

    Every single story the media carries about this year’s measles outbreaks characterizes the issue as being “Orthodox Jewish.” But this makes it sound like the Orthodox Jews are “Typhoid Mary,” which feeds into a lot of classic, old anti-Jewish diatribe. I am NOT here to minimize ANYTHING: Measles is a dreadful illness and my household is completely vaccinated for it, baruch Hashem. AT THE SAME TIME, I just checked the CDC Website, and they said: From January 1 to March 21, 2019, 314 individual cases [As of March 21: that’s one week ago] of measles have been confirmed in 15… Read more »

    The person was vaccinated
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    The person was vaccinated

    Sorry to say but the person was vaccinated just shots don’t always work

    Which school?!?!?!?
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    Which school?!?!?!?

    More facts (were they vaccinated, how old, which school etc)

    If you're vaccinated you don't contract measles!!
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    If you're vaccinated you don't contract measles!!

    Answer to #5. Vaccinated people against measles don’t contract the disease. Get yourself vaccinated immediately if you haven’t done so. At 57 years old and I am still immune against Measles because my mother followed the law and vaccinated my brothers and I as children. How do I know that I’m still immune? Just did a blood test to check my immunity level. Still high, after all these years. So, yeah vaccinated people are immune.

    Outbreak?
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    Outbreak?

    One case an outbreak does not make… When was this? This case could already be over. No exposure places listed? Enough with the hype and report detailed facts. Why the consistently biased reporting? As for the commenters, and the obsessive focus in the article on vaccination: Yes, obviously vaccination will reduces cases. But the factor responsible for most of these outbreaks is not the handful of unvaccinated children, many of whom have parents with valid concerns. The issue is “secondary vaccine failure” that were seeing the vaccine not be as long lasting as once thought. Virtually all cases in several… Read more »

    To #5: It's a good question, not a "conclusion"!
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    To #5: It's a good question, not a "conclusion"!

    No one is “jumping to conclusions,” about whether or not the person was or was not vaccinated. They are just ASKING! There is no reason for you to accuse them of “running to blame” or to say “shame on you” for asking. There are good reasons to ask, whether you are “anti-vax” or “pro-vax.” And I am pro-vax! During the mumps situation several years ago, many, many of those who got the mumps had been vaccinated for the mumps. As a result, protocol for mumps vaccination changed from then on, to increase people’s immunity to the mumps. Even if the… Read more »

    Enough is Enough
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    Enough is Enough

    Get vaccinated, this is ridiculous and you do understand that people that were vaccinated will also get these diseases as well. Vaccinations only work if we have 90-95% of the population vaccinated.

    If the Rebbe were alive the sharpness of his message would put these anti-vaxxers to shame.

    What now?
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    What now?

    What precautions is the community and schools taking? What are they doing now?

    Why not vaccinate
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    Why not vaccinate

    Why are “orthodox jews” not vaccinating? Do they claim it’s for religious beliefs? Complications of vaccinations? Knowledge?

    Which doctor?
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    Which doctor?

    Which doctor in CH confirmed the case?

    To 17
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    To 17

    Just to clarify, because with all due respect I believe you have misunderstood something here. Yes, vaccinations are not 100% effective (in particular the measles vaccine is considered about 97% effective after two doses, but this immunity may wane with time). But if you’re part of the vast majority of vaccinated people – 97% – it doesn’t matter if you’re the only vaccinated person in the world, or if everyone is – you’re still immune. The threshold for “herd immunity” which you refer to (which for measles specifically is estimated at 93-95%) is the level necessary to prevent _people who… Read more »

    To #3 and #5
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    To #3 and #5

    I don’t know if this person was vaccinated or not or if he had a reason he was not able to vaccinate
    The main thing is that the more people that are vaccinated the less likely that other people will catch it
    There are some reasons that people can’t vaccinate for medical reasons for eg. If they have cancer r”l it is not right for these people that if you for your selfish reasons don’t vaccinate they are more likely to catch it

    Please vaccinate

    Mother of the measles patient in question
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    Mother of the measles patient in question

    The girl is fully vaccinated.

    Under 12 mos
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    Under 12 mos

    How to protect?

    An anti-vaxxer claim:
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    An anti-vaxxer claim:

    I WON ????!!!!!! because anti-vaxxers cannot go to school etc. and the fact that I,got sick despite being vaccinated, PROVES ???!!!! that vaccines DON’T work.

    This line of thinking takes no responsibility for the fact that by NOT vaccinating, illnesses are re-emerging after being eradicated for decades. I would therefore suggest that this child who was vaccinated but still contracted measles, just as I contracted another illness, can be related to the re-emergence of these diseases which exist in the air that we breathe and therefore our immune systems are weakened no matter what our age!

    Penina Metal

    Vaccinated
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    Vaccinated

    I got 2 MMR shots as a child but as a young adult I had my titers measured and had ZERO immunity. It was as if I had not gotten a single MMR. I got a 3rd MMR and low and behold, 1.5 years later, titers showed zero immunity, again, as if I never got the vaccine. Tell me again that vaccines are 97% effective after 2 shots? Shouldn’t a 3rd guarantee immunity? Nope. Because that’s not how vaccines work. The health dept does not let me get a 4th. Do you know why? Because they have no idea the… Read more »

    Mmr
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    Mmr

    Two of my children who got their mmr vaccines as they were supposed to, got mumps (mmr= measles, mumps, rubella). Vaccinating does not always make one immune.

    To #25
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    To #25

    Refuah shlaima for your daughter.

    No One is Denying...
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    No One is Denying...

    That for reasons we cannot fathom, certain individuals do no have immunity despite being vaccinated, however the re-emergence of formerly eradicated illnesses puts the general population at risk, so it is prudent TO immunize unless one’s doctor, who has been consulted, advises otherwise.

    Unfortunately, those purporting their anti-vaxxing views are not taking into account that their decisions are effecting the general population, a grossly unfair position, to say the least!

    She was vaccinated
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    She was vaccinated

    Vaccines only work with here immunity. The community of anti vaxxers are putting at risk people who cannot become immune for whatever reason. There’s a reason vaccines were created, the illnesses killed and mamed many, they’re not perfect but for the years before the anti vaccination uprise, your didn’t hear of such outbreaks. Why should I have to worry that my 2 month old neice might contract measles because I was exposed to the measles?? It’s wrong. Not vaccinating is not a personal choice, you endanger the community at Large.

    Was a matter of time
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    Was a matter of time

    With so many cases in Williamsburg and Boro park it’s no surprise that it came to crown heights. I hope and pray it doesn’t spread.

    From immunize.org
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    From immunize.org

    Two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97%effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93% effective. People who were vaccinated prior to 1968 with either inactivated (killed) measles vaccine or measles vaccine of unknown type should be revaccinated with at least one dose of live attenuated measles vaccine. This recommendation is intended to protect people who may have received killed measles vaccine which was available in the United States in 1963 through 1967 and was not effective. Persons vaccinated before 1979 with either killed mumps vaccine or mumps vaccine of unknown type who are at high risk for mumps infection (such as persons… Read more »

    To #31
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    To #31

    Herd immunity can be achieved once people were exposed to the diseased and people have built resistance to it.
    Therefore the pharmaceutical industry concluded that vaccinating will do the same thing,…. However this is not proven and only causes debate were people are trying to push each other to vaccinate

    Not vaccinated? spreading disease? Vaccinated, spreading disease?
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    Not vaccinated? spreading disease? Vaccinated, spreading disease?

    The MMR is a live vaccine, which means that the virus is weakened but not dead, therefore after becoming vaccinated it can shed the live illness for 7 to 28 days.
    Who is more likely to spread? The recently vaccinated or the healthy not vaccinated? 2hichever the media is pointing fingers at, of course!
    Children that are not vaccinated are not disease spreaders!
    Stop pointing fingers!

    She was vaccinated
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    She was vaccinated

    But it’s still the fault of people who don’t vaccinate?
    This does not make sense to me!

    What are our yeshivas and girls school policy ?
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    What are our yeshivas and girls school policy ?

    No one knows for sure that the case is measles … maybe we all need to keep sick kids home from day 1 and not send anymore kids with temperature to the day cares /schools /yeshiva or maybe our schools must be more strict not to accept any student that is sick 😷

    Post info
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    Post info

    Could COL please post information where a person could go to get an MMR in crown heights. Perhaps a Dr’s office would be willing to provide such service, at least during the outbreak, that would make it accessible to those who need a vaccine, such as out of towners or people who pushed it off

    Pro choice
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    Pro choice

    March 22, 2019— Ray Andrew I am running into increasing numbers of patients/parents who decline to receive vaccinations. I don’t call them “anti-vaxxers” because that is the most immature way I can imagine to refer to another human being with an opinion, whether I consider it informed or not. Name-calling is what people do in politics when they don’t have an intelligent response to an opposing party’s argument or viewpoint. This is supposed to be science, not politics. Based on my experience, those who choose not to vaccinate care just as much about their children as you and I do.… Read more »

    Exposure
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    Exposure

    Can we know the specific school and doctor office of the measles patient so we mothers can worry about exposure…

    This is a WORLD epidemic
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    This is a WORLD epidemic

    No it is not confined to or the fault of ‘the Jews’.

    response to #13, or  others who make think is is a form of anti semitism.
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    response to #13, or others who make think is is a form of anti semitism.

    Hi!
    The media reports are not saying this is centered in the orthodox areas to defame yidden, this is the truth of the matter. Out of those 314 cases across the country, 156 in Rockland county and 161 in Williamsburg, according to the CDC as referenced above. To claim this is some form of anti semitism is untrue.

    We have to face this problem, that is here in our community and think of solutions.
    Sadly, this is a chillul Hashem.

    -S. Baez

    People need to blame someone...
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    People need to blame someone...

    And the anti-vaxxers are just the easiest group to point at. But let’s use logic here….. something about this herd immunity does not make sense if most of the ppl getting these diseases were vaccinated…and don’t forget most of the pro vaxxers may not even realize that they are not immune unless they check it. Somehow this vaccine is not building immunity in everyone , or some ppls are weakening their immunity quicker than predicted. something is not adding up…but b4 pointing fingers have your blood Checked. And just cz someone isn’t immune, it doesn’t mean they were the one… Read more »

    To S. Baez (#43) from #13
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    To S. Baez (#43) from #13

    Your math is off, and so is your logic. How can it be that the CDC reports 15 states with a total of 314 cases in 2019 so far, but YOU are saying that in two NY areas alone there are 317 cases? Are you saying that the you know more than the CDC about the current (2019) situation? Are you saying that the other 14 states don’t really have measles cases? Your math, or your statistics, or your logic — or all three — are suspect or off. Do your homework and then come back with the truth, and… Read more »

    Dont understand
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    Dont understand

    What is the reason why Frum jews do not vaccinate their kids, Is it because of religious reasons?

    Measles OUTBREAK?
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    Measles OUTBREAK?

    ONE case of measles in ch…..
    A serious threat?! there were many cases of the cold being spread around this winter and yes, it’s possible to die or have serious life altering conditions from the cold if complications arise.
    But the cold itself, is contagious and a illness, that we rather not catch.
    Why is there no media outcry about the cold going around?! Well, it’s because there’s no vaccine for it….. No need to scare anyone regarding an outbreak into vaccinating. Either way Re #35, aft

    My two cents
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    My two cents

    Perhaps the numbers are or seem to be larger among frum yiddin because we have lsrge families, so if it gets to a family theres alot more cases right there than amongst families innother states with one or two children. Does not make sense to blame on orthidox jews!

    STOP THE BLAME!!
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    STOP THE BLAME!!

    I think we need to realize this disease is from Hashem. He created it and is the One making it spread and He decides who should get it, among ithose who are vaccinated and those who are not! I think respecting each other and achdus, real achdus will go a lot further, and bring more healing to all those who need and to the world! May we merit והסרותי מחלה מקרבך, and
    the Geula now which will bring and end to all these. מחלות ר” ל.
    From one whose children recently had the measels

    To comment 46
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    To comment 46

    Health reasons . Safety concerns.

    to #36
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    to #36

    there has yet to be one documented case of measles that came about through “shedding” – just saying..

    To #40
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    To #40

    With all the contradictory information being thrown around, your honesty is refreshing. I wish all doctors would take Informed Consent and the Hippocratic Oath as seriously as you do.

    Grateful We left
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    Grateful We left

    I had rubella twice as a child and discovered that I and my daughters don’t build up immunity to this disease which almost always causes serious birth defects. We get a shot after giving birth. I am petrified that my daughters would get sick from a child with a selfish mother who inot only puts her children at risk, endangers everyone. Vaccinate!!!

    Everyone plz reread #40
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    Everyone plz reread #40

    And reread again. And again

    There is not enough substantial evidence to convince us all that vaccines are indeed as safe as they claim. You can scream it louder and louder but that doesn’t help your argument to prove its safety.
    Unfortunately many of us have seen vaccine injury and that’s enough to convince us to stay away until proven otherwise.

    40 and 54
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    40 and 54

    Regardless of any incentive an organization has to promote vaccines, the fact is the World Health Organization and other mainstream experts advise that vaccination is an important combatant to the spread of disease. In medicine there are almost always complications and negative side effects that can result but we weigh the risks of taking a medicine or surgery vs. the consequence of not taking it. Lack of vaccination has consequences to our communal health.

    To those who blame others.
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    To those who blame others.

    There is only One in charge of this world. He decides Who will live and Who will die… We live in a false world. You can never know the true numbers. The only scenario that is 100 percent avoidable is vaccine related injury.

    Just curious
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    Just curious

    I would be curious to know how big the anti vaccine community is in Crown Heights is. How many percent of Crown Heighters don’t vaccinate their kids? How many kids per class? Would be interested to know the statistics.

    #50
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    #50

    If you child does not get vaccinated then you will have to be concern about your kids health

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