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Kids Rights Trump All
March 25, 2015 4:25 pm

Bottom line: kids’ rights trump all and that includes having BOTH parents in their lives. That needs to be assured first and foremost before ANYTHING else (including either parent having the right to remarry)….FULL STOP!!!!

What's sickening
March 25, 2015 1:05 pm

is how so many of you are jumping on these people, whose point was to march in order to raise awareness (mission accomplished, I think), about an issue that is incredibly important, overlooked, misunderstood, and abused.

If Rav Elyashiv is a daas yachid, and it is b’shaat hadchak, then we can overlook his opinion, considering that he is not OUR posek, and there are many others who support it.

judging a book by its cover
March 24, 2015 1:29 pm

How shortsighted to write off the protesters as “hipsters from out of town”. Are the only Jews Lubavitcher chassidim? Did the Rebbe not teach us to love all Jews? Women from all walks of life- Jewish women- have rightfully championed the rights of the agunah. Why cloud the very real issue of men using their power over women? There are good and decent Jewish women who do not wear seamed stockings and who have a different standard of tznius, but keep kashrut, shabbat and taharat hamishpacha. Are they not Jews who deserve to have their voices heard? I am disgusted… Read more »

criticism is like cuttng your own finger
March 24, 2015 5:05 am

If we are all part of one, lets show support to this important cause and help if we can.

It's sad
March 23, 2015 8:24 pm

Personally, I think it’s sad that here is a need for such a march. Unfortunately, there is a need for one, and I’m glad that there was one.
Moshiach should come speedily where everyone and everything will be as clear as clean water!

An out of towner
March 23, 2015 7:47 pm

I believe most people agree on this issue
For any people that feel they will sew positive attention to this issue by marching- then do so by all means.
That goes for any person of any community of any background.

I do however believe the sign “real rabbis respect women” is off topic and slanderous. Completely inappropriate to have in this march. I request the organizers do a more thorough job the next time this occurs.

All the best
Praying for a happy conclusion to all of these issues with the coming of MOSHIACH NOW

Thank you for bringing up the issue
March 23, 2015 1:44 pm

Whether you agree with the timing or the manner, this issue is very real, and needs change and support.

If you’re lucky enough to have avoided this issue, I’d suggest that you take the time to speak with a fellow Jew who has been through the process, you might see things differently.

I applaud you courageous women and men for bringing this topic to the forefront.

Caring Lubavitcher

120
March 23, 2015 1:12 pm

Yes we would – and thank you for showing the true nature of the beast. Every marriage has had problems. Most go and smooth things over and work it out and all benefit. Some are bad marriages and then the man (men learn, sometimes if they’re about to lose, sometimes from what they lost, but most learn) and they become good marriages. That’s also why many second marriages work, the first ones would too if they were given a chance. We’re not talking about people who throw boiling pots of soup over each other. But to break up a family… Read more »

Here we go again
March 23, 2015 12:27 pm

To the “what if it was your daughter” nonsense, what if it was G-d forbid your son and these goons were fighting to prevent reconciliation for the sole reason that “if she wants a get then she needs a get.” What if she was trying to rob the children of their father as the creeps who yelled and screamed in front of the Besht did. And yes, please attack Rabbi Braun for not recognizing an organization espousing what the Rebbe referred to as di neieh conservativ. Makes a lot of sense to ignite clear Shulchan Aruch and poskim in favor… Read more »

ITS NOT CHILLUL HASHEM TO ASK FOR A CHANGE FOR THOSE WHO SUFFER
March 23, 2015 12:08 pm

the haters that bash this march are (mostly) the men who would/do refuse to give gets to their wives, and according to the amount of comments, there are a lot of them! it is not chassidishe to abuse a wife! Dressing in black and white doesnt make them chassidish, refusing a get doesnt make a chossid, and abusing a wife physically, emotionally is also not chassidish. so they have no right to talk about what tznius and whats not. The people who came “dont look chassidish” because they are the only ones who have the guts to do it, and… Read more »

Yes for Change
March 23, 2015 12:05 pm

Lets join the “REFORM” movement
all we need is CHANGE. !!! CHANGE.!!
CHANGE.!!!
when you don’t have any Yirat Shomayim YOU HAVE ” CHANGE” !!!!

What a Chilul H-Shem bichlal
and Chilul Chabad Lubavitch Bifrat

To #82
March 23, 2015 11:25 am

I beg you ( and anyone else who is an intellectually honest person ) to go on Kingston TODAY and buy a copy of Rabbi Twersky’s book ” Shame Born of Silence.” He admits that he also couldn’t believe for many years that a frum husband could be an abuser and describes how his understanding of the reality of Orthodox abuse came about. Please do not question any woman’s “Chasidishkeit ” or willingness to “work on herself” ever again until you have read this book. Do you really think that a woman wants to end a marriage with many children… Read more »

Larry
March 23, 2015 11:09 am

This may not be the way to do things but when people need help there’s nobody around you talk to yourself there is are no rabbis Who care when someone finally does something everybody has an opinion to do it this way should be done that way everybody cares all of a sudden Unfortunately today if you want to get what you need this is the only way you got a screaming the streets or use the legal system sad to say

Response by Aliza Lichtenfeld
March 23, 2015 10:33 am

I am outraged by some of the comments I have read responding to the Agunot March article. However, I am far from surprised. For some odd reason, even though Chabad teaches to love every jew no matter who, these ”yuppie/hipster” type never make the cut. And I understand that they could be irritating, and I understand their passion for useless protesting. As a traveling shlucha, I deal with these people quite often. But in this case, are we dealing with a useless protest? Absolutely not! We must close our eyes to the way they are dressing and open our eyes… Read more »

Love this
March 23, 2015 10:12 am

This is a Jewish moment in time that evokes Selma.
We need to march and March again !!!
Change is coming the walls are falling and truth has spoken!

wise words...
March 23, 2015 9:57 am

“Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be… Read more »

ZERO Tolerance-ever!!
March 23, 2015 9:39 am

For any type of abuse!!! Stop judging -until you experience what being a chained women feels like!!

to #107 with all do respect
March 23, 2015 7:16 am

Someone else posted his article.

Support for agunas!
March 23, 2015 6:52 am

Many of you seem to be blissefully unaware at the fact that somenof these “marriages” contain a lot of abuse and domestic violence. Would you really suggest a wife (or husband!) should work on their marriage, instead of seek (and receive) a get??

Shocked
March 23, 2015 6:19 am

I am surprised that no pictures were taken of the banners and sheets of oaktag that had messages on them regarding this so called prenup.

Rain on parade...
March 23, 2015 5:50 am

Shame it didn’t snow

Crazy comments
March 23, 2015 5:48 am

Only care about protesters level of tznius

ch resident
March 23, 2015 5:46 am

did not read the comments as this is very upsetting. I dont understand how whoever organized or joined this stupidity is not embarrased for this demonstration and do u not know what a chillul hashem u have caused? I know that this man didnt give a gett to his wife but right now what is the point of marching? Does it not bother u that u r embarrassing 6 orphans for this stupidity? This is ludicrous

איפו הרבנים
March 23, 2015 4:23 am

הרבנים בשקט בגלל שהנועזים הם לא כמה פרוצים מבחוץ.מאחרוהים עומדים מאות משפחות בקהילותינו שמכירים בהזעוה שאוכלת בתוכנו כן אין מעצור זעקת הנרדפים הוא ביטוי לקול הולך ולא יוסף. הלכה וקדושה יתנער מתרדמתה ולא תתן עוד להחוטאים להסתתר תחתיה . התנערי מעפר ביחד ננקע כל האלימות והשחיתות שמסתתר במיוחד באצלי׳ של קדושה

ארה״ב: לראשונה חרדיות יזמו ״צעדה לשחרור האשה״ (ynet)
March 23, 2015 3:19 am

מאות עגונות חרדיות דורשות סיוע רבני, במדינה שבה לבתי הדין אין כוח חוקי. בצעד ראשון מסוגו הן התאגדו ויצאו לצעדת מחאה: “מדובר במשבר גלובלי דתי, שזקוק לתשומת לב ולתיקון. הרבנים חייבים להתאחד ולמצוא פתרון אכיפה אחיד בתוך ההלכה. כל אחת – היא אחת יותר מדי” טלי פרקש “Ynet” עדכון אחרון: 23/03/2015 01:17 ח’ רצתה דבר אחד: לעזוב את העולם כאישה חופשייה. אך גם המחלה הממארת שנגסה בה במהירות, לא ריככה את בעלה הסרבן, והיא נפטרה בראשית חודש מרץ כאישה נשואה. סיפורה הטרגי חושף את המציאות שבה חיות נשים רבות בקהילה החרדית בארצות הברית, שם המדינה כלל איננה מכירה בצורך בגט… Read more »

If it were your daughter...
March 23, 2015 2:52 am

All of you who have such smart things to say don’t really know the pain of an agunah. If it wee your daughter or sister, or your mother!!!! You would be out there too!! Awareness was raised. Rabbonim have lots of ability to help and I have witnessed how they opted out. YOU HAVE TO STAND UP FOR WHATS RIGHT! These spineless non get giving men need to be ostracized and pressure needs to be put on rabbonim. Maybe these mothers are keeping their kids from psychotic ex husbands because they are abusers or dysfunctional. Don’t any of you DARE… Read more »

#106 sophomore
March 23, 2015 2:25 am

Au contraire, the introduction of an intelligent, well crafted Rabbinic perspective on this complex matter is just what is needed.

Fresser Rebbe says
March 23, 2015 1:34 am

this is all SO sad from the Gett go

To #106
March 23, 2015 1:24 am

Before you accuse a rov dont you realize he didnt post his opinion in these comments. You think he has nothin better to do than comment on collive. Someone else wrote a commant and posted something in his name…
The only thing I can say is we need moshiach right now to end such a bitter and dark golus filled with hate and lies!!

to 106
March 23, 2015 1:24 am

Its hard to respect a comment like yours. Rabbi Braun did not post his opinion on this forum. Someone is copying Rabbi Brauns article from his own forum and posting it over here . Anything wrong with that? And why is he not entitled to disagree with the RCA? Only you are entitled to argue the Rabbi? And if as you say, that this forum is only for laymen, then you should not be giving halachic opinions, since its not the domain of laymen to offer halachic opinions. I guess you are from the left wing school of thought that… Read more »

To 106
March 23, 2015 1:19 am

I’m sure rabbi Braun did not post this on collive, someone else copied it from his Halacha of the day series.

Shameful
March 23, 2015 1:02 am

This was shameful and disgusting. The coverage is unwarranted. The stuff that they did to yesomim – they have to answer to Hashem. The fact that they support gittin in cases where reconciliation is being sought, even if realistic offers of gittin after limited sessions are being made, shows how anti-Torah and anti-morality this is. Rabbi Braun even referenced the serious halachic problems with pre-nups and how they can compromise the validity of the get, as Rabbi Elyashiv stated. There are many, many problems with them and one should speak with Rabbis Heller, Osdoba, Segal, Schwei or Braun about them.… Read more »

With all do Respect
March 23, 2015 12:27 am

To Rabbi Braun: your letter should not be something on this forum. Everyone knows that the whole get situation is very complex halachically. That’s why it took so many decades to formulate something that, according to some great halachic experts, is halachically acceptable and can be enforced by secular law. If you have a different opinion, you must also say that there are differences of opinion. You don’t have the stature or the right to simply wave away the RCA rabbonim. Living with halacha means we know that very often poiskim disagree; please be open about t hat. Don’t just… Read more »

Hashem Yishmor
March 23, 2015 12:15 am

The hatred coming from people who claim to be chassidish and frum. You think you are so frum, but Ahavas Yisroel you don’t have. How can you when you don’t care about Agunos?
Either you are abusers, or just nasty people. Either way, you should do Teshuva now.

Sholom Ber Kleiner
March 23, 2015 12:07 am

If a couple are having marital problems they should seek professional help from a licensed therapist, an expert in the field. If after a reasonable time their relationship does not improve, one or both parties may ask for a Gett and divorce; at that point neither side should refuse the requests. Both should work with a Beth Din and the secular courts to make the process as painless as possible for themselves and their children. In regard to the march through Crown Heights, I found it undignified in style and inappropriate in format. I listened closely, there was a lot… Read more »

Older Children need a father - per halocha
March 22, 2015 11:59 pm

Not Chained. Want a gett give up the older children to the father -as per halocha.

You didn’t win the lottery, you got divorced.

Collect the cesuvah and move on.

NY favors the mother: Free lawyer. BS accusations. Get 1/2 of all assets you didn’t work for. Gets the kids but H gets all the bills.

You give the get = you dug your grave.

Conflict
March 22, 2015 11:56 pm

This arguing and judgement about who is right or wrong, who is frum and who is not, it is causing terrible pain amongst klal yisrael. Today 7 of our most precious neshamas were laid to rest, people want to know why. Nobody knows why except Hashem, but I know bitter fighting and judgement is not bringing mashiach any faster. Please have ahavas yisrael and stop the fighting and name calling!

Opposite to all religious feeling
March 22, 2015 11:54 pm

A bunch of fools, the marchers, the commentators, myself, and everyone I know. The bottom line is, that for anyone that is religious, it’s absolutely forbidden to try and effect a religious act through marches, protests, comments, and any other way where the change is not being advocated from a purely religious standpoint. How much more so when those protesting are not religious scholars, or extra pious individuals. This is applicable to any religion where wer”e talking about the word of G-d, how much more so by Judaism where every act is dictated by Hashem, how much more so by… Read more »

I agree with #37!
March 22, 2015 11:54 pm

Please heed

brocha b
March 22, 2015 11:39 pm

I see some of you have taken an active role in the “Unchain my sister” group on facebook. I am glad to see people support change. I am not glad to see people support spewed hatred and brazen lies. If you believe those who claim the children are their number one priority perhaps you can ask them why they are withholding the childrens clothing and belongings and instead of returning them they hold them? Should children not be given their belongings? The children have asked for them repeatedly and have been denied. Why are yesomim crying over their unreturned belongings?

Menachem
March 22, 2015 11:37 pm

I gotta say you are the spiffiest looking one there. You look the part. So happy and confident in your skin. Hatzlacha in all your endeavors!

Sad
March 22, 2015 11:24 pm

The atrocious comments is exactly why a march like today’s was needed.

Rabbonim
March 22, 2015 11:20 pm

I am interested in this cause and I think it is very important. I have one question. Why did they not march to the office of the Rabbonim? Is it not the Beis Din they are quoted to have a problem with. Why has a dialogue not been opened between these marchers and the Rabbonim?

Kol hakavod
March 22, 2015 11:20 pm

The rebbe Maharash went out of his way countless times for the agunos whose husbands refused to give a get and ran away. Iyh all those women in our community who are waiting for a get will receive one . It’s hard to stand up for what’s right kol hakavod. There will be naysayers but how many frum yidden protested when lubavitch started putting teffilin on non frum Jews . Let’s do everything in our power to help agunos!!

"Tati let Mommy go"? "Get =Life"?
March 22, 2015 11:16 pm

How backwards is this?

C’v what child wishes this?

Nitzar Lishoncha
March 22, 2015 11:10 pm

So many ” looks like ” and ” seems like ” . Had you come you would have been part of what “is “.
At the very least if nothing nice to say dont .All in the name of protecting and shielding the comments are more harmful than anything that took place today .

Concerned.
March 22, 2015 11:08 pm

Lets say things the way they are this march was a dirty shakedown tactic against a Shul and their Rabbi by aledging all types of things and not any proof.

The Unchain have zero following besides 25 yuppies in pants.
And they are destroying the fathers life trying to rob him of his kids in a Goyisher court wich is a Issur Dioraysa. We must make a real march against this and call for proper justice.

ARTICLE BY HARAV BRAUN
March 22, 2015 11:06 pm

By Horav Yosef Yeshaya Braun, shlita, member of the Badatz of Crown Heights. #249 Prenuptial Agreements There is a discussion amongst contemporary poskim regarding prenuptial agreements. Sometimes a husband and wife have irreconcilable differences, which unfortunately lead to divorce. Numerous solutions have been proposed over the generations to address the agunah scenario that occurs when a recalcitrant husband declines to give his wife a get voluntarily. According to Jewish law, a divorce is valid only if the husband places a get in his wife’s hands of his own free will. In the past the term agunah was used to describe… Read more »

wow this is crazy
March 22, 2015 11:04 pm

shame on all you people shame on you protesting the real problem is women of Crown Heights that you don’t know how to dress properly

Better idea
March 22, 2015 11:01 pm

Instead, how about we have a “Make Our Marriages Work” protest?

To #73
March 22, 2015 11:01 pm

how dare you speak this way??? i don’t even understand how you can live with yourself. don’t you have a heart???

Get
March 22, 2015 10:55 pm

The get issue is a black and white issue. The man who refuses to grant, for whatever reason, is wrong no matter what.

March Madness
March 22, 2015 10:53 pm

Has arrived to crown heights!

Hashem yirachem
March 22, 2015 10:51 pm

If you people are supposed to be the lamplighters, the beacons of ahavas yisrael, we are all in big trouble… What is Chabad supposed to be again? Lol… go Itta!!

Judge and Jury all rolled into one
March 22, 2015 10:48 pm

If you would have been there today you would have witnessed a wonderful Achdus of yidden coming together to support women and children that have no support from our community and from our leaders . There was no pritzus there . Only fervent hope that coming together would encourage hope strength and change .
So quick to judge but no show to and for a cause that could hit home at the blink of an eye .

These Morons...
March 22, 2015 10:42 pm

…are right.

The march of the hipsters have a point and something must be done, unfortunately I don’t have the solution.

To #68
March 22, 2015 10:39 pm

“A woman who is dying for a get”, this is a Lubavitcher woman in the spirit of Tanya and Chassidus Chabad?

“Wants one thing”? How about that one thing be her ratzon to make the marriage work? And that she work on her self.

“Deserves”? Sounds like more “modern” talk/attitude. See posuk tes from the Rebbe’s Yud Beis Pesukim

why??
March 22, 2015 10:39 pm

why are we “marching?” can someone please explain to me?? Cuz, like, why aren’t we raising money for these kids and families, helping them, showing them that we support them? why are we “marching?”

Meir
March 22, 2015 10:33 pm

BS”D there was so few people bc the rest sat home and wrote their negative idiotic comments to col. How could anyone berate a cause like this. Was not as professional as you like- at least they did something. Next time around you arrange it. They were all not from CH- how does that negate anything, I guess women shall be shackled bc the message came from a lady with a bull horn. The only bull is the comments bashing the march

why are they even posting
March 22, 2015 10:33 pm

can’t figure out why they would even post this on col.
Achdus it definitly doesn’t bring.
Moshiach is the only solution!

Shame on you Crown Heights
March 22, 2015 10:31 pm

Crown Heights can hide their face in shame today . Not because of a woman on a bullhorn But because of your own cowardice to face the ugly truth . Today we met Agunahs from our very midst suffering for many years alone.
Today they found people with courage and true compassion
for their plight .

Oy vey
March 22, 2015 10:28 pm

The people protesting, I know and interact with some of them in the same social circles and come from a similar background. College, divorce, masculine “women”, and effeminate “men” are embraced as “reasonable”. “Hip” is truly upside-down. It seems elitist of them to impulsively push their righteous agenda suddenly on a community where – from my experience- marriages and families are dugmot and keeping Torah and Yiddishkite prospering. Why don’t they try speaking with the local leaders first instead of dumping their “We from our proper community know better than you do what is good for your community”? Also on… Read more »

A woman last wish
March 22, 2015 10:24 pm

A woman’s last wish was denied by a rabbi???
Isn’t it a good reason to protest?

Proud
March 22, 2015 10:22 pm

I”m so proud of the marchers – shame on all your judgemental commenters! you’re spewing such nonsense..
May this serve as a wake up call for the community to take their heads out of the sand and to fight for Agunos!

only good
March 22, 2015 10:16 pm

may Hashem not judge these people the same way these idiots judge others. each person should put themselves in his place and imagine what he would do and each women should be thankful for a man that is willing to stand by her through the worst times! its wrong to use the Rebbe, halacha or the agunah thing for this only people who are stupid and have something against him would do such a thing.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aguna??
March 22, 2015 10:15 pm

Most of those claiming to be agunos today are those who make demands and when they aren’t met they cry out. They’re witches not agunos let that be clear!! (Of course there are exceptions)

Crown Heights
March 22, 2015 10:12 pm

The things said in these comments are more shameful than the march that is being so ridiculed .
As a Crown Heights woman I proudly walked alongside quite a number of co Crown Heighters . We of all people should think again before commenting about outsiders in pants . Where is the line that is drawn when we invite and welcome outsiders in pants and when they are shunned .
Today we were one . All together standing for what the Rabbanim should be doing without so called outside help .

It's anazing! Nevua has returned!
March 22, 2015 10:10 pm

Otherwise, how else would such comments about how frum people are who marched beable to be made?

But seriously, although I’m dubious on how much marching is going to accomplish, I’m finding it a little obnoxious to be reading people make blatant assumptions about the marchers’ frumkeit and what they’re trying to achieve. Last I checked, there is no nevuah and I don’t think anyone can say what these peoples’ motivations were.

never ever ever saw
March 22, 2015 9:59 pm

I never saw so many losers in one place in a long tome

#39 spot on
March 22, 2015 9:54 pm

39 u said it spot on!

A woman who is dying and wants one
March 22, 2015 9:38 pm

thing to have a gett and die in Peace deserves that.

#62
March 22, 2015 9:34 pm

A prominent Chabad rov. I cannot disclose his name because he didn’t say I could. This is not the forum to discuss whether or not its valid; that is for experts to discuss. And the RCA is not exactly a ‘light’ halachic organization, even if youdo n’t agree with all their piskei din!

#54
March 22, 2015 9:32 pm

We must have had the same kallah teacher – the most wonderful teacher ever! (She would kill me if I used her name, but those of you who know her, you know who I’m talking about). She met with my choson and me also and told us about it. She told us the same thing, that it’s written bythe RCA whose a responsible respectable halachic organization and although not all Chabad rabbonim endorse it, many do even if not publicly. At least two shluchim who I know use it all the time, and the rov we asked also said there’s… Read more »

New Neighborhood
March 22, 2015 9:05 pm

A lot of these marchers looked like the yuppie/hipster types that moved into our neighborhood. They are doing this because they hate religion, period, and the concept of authority. While I do sympathize with women trapped in abusive marriages, I don’t think that allying with these kind of people is a good idea.

is it true?
March 22, 2015 9:04 pm

That the crowd stopped on president and kingston for a photo shoot with signs that read “stop hurting the chickens” this was they were able to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

FINALLY!!!
March 22, 2015 9:04 pm

I am so proud of this march! I would like to organize one in my community as well. Let it be known that NO community will stand for abuse! Enough is enough!!

to number 54
March 22, 2015 8:56 pm

I don’t know which Rov told you this, but the position of most respected (non MO) Poskim (including Rav Eliyahsiv) is that a Get given because of a prenup is invalid. meaning – if the woman who received such a Get would later get married – her children may possible be mamzeirim.

As the Gemoro says – anyone not thoroughly versed in the laws of Gittin, should not deal with them!

what a shame
March 22, 2015 8:45 pm

I think no one is disputing that there IS an agunah crisis. Had this been done differently, there would have been so much more community support.

Chassidim of the Rebbe, Please Let's Show Kindness
March 22, 2015 8:36 pm

The march was a terribly misguided attempt, and the indifference to the humiliation this caused the children, distrubing. The idea of passing judgment on an individual in this manner is unacceptable. Chessed, lovingkindness and taking care not to judge another and not to humiliate him or her in public, were simply trashed by this march. At the same time, the comments that I’m reading here, calling people names, judging them by the way they dress or labeling them as outsiders, is also antithetical to our values of ahavas yisroel and acceptance. Please, it’s good to disagree and even dissuade others… Read more »

To # 50
March 22, 2015 7:59 pm

You said more in two lines then all the comments combined. Why when someone lacks Tznius (probably out of ignorance), vile hatred of a fellow yid is spewed? What a fascinating disconnect to how the Rebbeim behaved and taught.

Sickening
March 22, 2015 7:55 pm

It is sickening that some insiders and outsiders are dictating what is going on on our streets. where is the vaad hakohol! where are the rabbonim! איש הישר בעיניו יעשה! is this the behavior and issues our kids should be exposed to? tomorrow a group of lubavitcher (so they call themselves) will want to have a march/protest to support alternative lifestyles and based on the tznius level of our community and the yiras shomayim level who will stop them?! It is a shame on lubavitch that on the day of the Rebbe Rashab’s yohrzeit instead of being examples of Neiros… Read more »

the first sign, yellow, first picture.
March 22, 2015 7:55 pm

That first sign is a quote from mishnayis, crossed out and updated. Think about that.

shocked!!!
March 22, 2015 7:44 pm

There’s a reason why most of those people don’t look too chasidish…….

Stop using the Rebbe in this.
March 22, 2015 7:43 pm

For all you enabling bashers, the reason the “outsiders” and non “tzniusdik” woman are the representers of this march is because you stand by and do nothing while abusive men carry on without repercussion of their acts from community members and leaders. You are what’s wrong w society. I’d rather see elbows and knees than know that this community, in it’s silence, supports gett refusers and the control of women.

Halachic prenup
March 22, 2015 7:38 pm

There is a document that is crafted by a body of halachic experts; even among halachic experts there is difference of opinion on my issues. When I took kallah classes my kallah teacher was very clear about telling me and my choson about the prenup, she said we should look it up ourself, and that it is written by experts in halacha, and that it is our responsibility to decide if we want to ask a chabad rov about it. Basically she gave us all the information for us to make the right decision about the prenup (which we did,… Read more »

I am proud
March 22, 2015 7:32 pm

I will comment here and say how proud of us I am. Too bad all the Chabad supporters from around the world couldn’t be there today.
Change is coming. Let no man hold a wife against her will again.

I was there
March 22, 2015 7:27 pm

Typical ch woman. I went and am happy I did.
If I don’t stand up for abused women, who will?
Proud to be a CH’er where we aren’t afraid to expose the troubles within and demand change.
Nikeiva Tisovev Gever!
I stand up for abused women- where do you stand?

חילול ה
March 22, 2015 7:26 pm

Never been torahs way of dealing with things.

Tznius?
March 22, 2015 6:35 pm

Not tznius to be abusive either!
Seamed stockings or seamed minds? YOU decide.

be honest with yourselves
March 22, 2015 6:26 pm

this particular case that people are specifically posting about not with standing,theei truly is an agunah crisis. I spoke with the rebitzen of a renowned Lubaitcher rav on Shabbos and she said the rabonim aren’t doing enough for agunas. I’m sure if these self righteous posters ever had a close someone or themselves in this situation,they’d feel differently.

I'm so sorry I couldn't attend
March 22, 2015 6:18 pm

I a ch woman , no not conservative MO as ppl posted , a typical Lubavitcher wished I was there (unfortunate wasn’t around at the time) I don’t understand why ppl are quoting this is against Halacha when men are outrightly going against Halacha and denying their wife a get, making them suffer (isn’t that a sin too) Whether their intention is wrong or not is irrelevant! They are the only ppl who actually stood up to tid and brought out an awareness . If you really want it done the way you say that it should be done then… Read more »

I wish I can join
March 22, 2015 6:15 pm

Too bad they muddled their message with ambiguous accusation

They really could have had a real impact

Educate chassan and kala , kids about get
March 22, 2015 6:12 pm

Education is a must in our community , speak to future chassan and kala that sometimes marriage will be in the end and it’s better to end it asap then refuse the get …. We have so many divorces in last years in CH and jewish orthodox life style is changed , men & women have more demands and look for better future for themselves , they don’t want to leave in a painful /difficult /not healthy relationship as our grandmothers did ….. Educate your sons and daughters solve marriage problems and if it’s not possible to give a get… Read more »

This is not a place to fight and put down other jews!
March 22, 2015 6:11 pm

did everyone hear about what happened to the sassoon family rachmona litzlan??? we need moshiach to come NOW and in order for that to happen we need to have ahavas chinam regardless of other jews interesting ideas. we cant let one more tragedy happen!!!! we need moshiach now!!! so let us all add in acts of goodness and kindness and have ahavas yisroel to every single jew we meet!! thank you!

There is a way to do things..
March 22, 2015 6:06 pm

Caring and awareness for Agunos is necessary and important. Doing what we can to help them is important. But this march is not the way frum Yidden do things. We’ve had our Torah for 3000 years there are always the “new and enlightened” in every generation that try “make things better” in a way that is not Al Pi Torah. To march with such a lack of Tznius and with shameful posters from one of the holiest places in the world is very disturbing.

looking forward
March 22, 2015 6:03 pm

looking forward to the next one

nothing accomplished
March 22, 2015 6:02 pm

Just a bunch of yuppies, and off the derech that want to standout and rebel a bit, just to make a big show, lets not lose the focus and help everyone in these terrible situation

another one?
March 22, 2015 6:00 pm

How many people will you have…..Thank G we’re still smart enough to stay away

We did it
March 22, 2015 5:51 pm

It was a great event! We raised awareness! Another one IYH soon!

few dozen people
March 22, 2015 5:48 pm

I was driving by and BH i saw that only a small crowd came to this patethic hateful march….Sometimes truth does prevail…We Crown Heightsers saw this as a fraud vengeful act and we were smart to stay away….To watch a wannabe shout out of a bullhorn and make a fool out of herself…Kol Hakovod Crown Heights….We will love and help provide for these children and not have their displayed like dirty laundry….

You are wrong
March 22, 2015 5:48 pm

There were plenty of locals marching. If you want to label anyone you disagree with an outsider, that’s a reflection on your principles. There are Chabad rabbonim who support the prenup, such as Rabbi Shusterman. Now you’ll find a reason that he’s not good enough…

my 2 cents
March 22, 2015 5:38 pm

I think all Chabad websites, should stop posting these things…let them get the attention through facebook, not through collive…u are spreading their message to the broader public. you will still get tons of clicks, without posting this junk. I really like col, pls post more positive things like Simchos and chabad events. Thanks,

for all those haters
March 22, 2015 5:26 pm

haters will always hate but there are women out there who are suffering from their husbands not giving them gets!

Prenup
March 22, 2015 5:26 pm

it’s very unintelligent for both parties to have a prenup regarding custody. Mental illness can go unnoticed in many mairrages at first as well as unknown addictions at the time of marraige. Unfortunatly I know of this first hand and am doing everything to protect my kids from being placed in an unsafe situation. Using the Get as “leverage” has nothing to do with the facts of each individual case. If a woman can provre that the father is unstable and danger to the children, than let the facts speak for themselves.

the organizer of the event
March 22, 2015 5:02 pm

I am confident that the organizer had the best interest at heart for the tragic agunah”s but quite sure that this march was totally ineffective for the agunah cause and detrimental to the kids who were forced to participate.
Its not about women, its not about Rabbanim its about individuals who have no respect for mankind be it women Rabbnim and men as well.
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Now What?
March 22, 2015 4:38 pm

You have caused machlokes, hurt young innocent orphans and embarrassed a community. How have your goals been accomplished? No Rav answered your demand for a prenup, nobody is stepping down. Nothing but negativity from this affair. Now please go away while the grown ups clean up this mess…

UNCHAIN & UNPAIN MY BROTHER
March 22, 2015 4:34 pm

This is a religious Chutzpa as well as a humanistic Chutzpa. These people don’t care that they hurt children. As is well known the women abuse the Aguna card to set unfair conditions for the men.

Disgusting
March 22, 2015 4:33 pm

How many of these people were from Crown Heights? I know some of them personally & they are not. What a disgrace.

we need to ask forgivness
March 22, 2015 4:27 pm

We owed these people a Mitzvah Tank!!

not practical
March 22, 2015 4:26 pm

how will this make men give gets??????????????

Embarresment
March 22, 2015 4:26 pm

Thanks to the people behind this march who ( who for some odd reason weren’t visibly there ) the Agunah crises is now the cause of losers and pot heads.

Congratulations!

Wrong
March 22, 2015 4:24 pm

I’m a BT I have never seen a Frum woman on a crate shouting from a bull horn … This is literally the most untzius thing ever!!

organizers
March 22, 2015 4:24 pm

maybe learn some facts before making a raquet….whoever organized this march, should go to the army, maybe there some sense will be knocked into them. as of now they just causing problems because they are a bunch of sheep, following a silly leader…why dont they protest about shechita also and about bris……may god help

A march against Yesomim!
March 22, 2015 4:20 pm

Yes, agunahs are a real issue that is not going away. However this wasn’t a march for agunahs it was a march against one man and rabbonim, check out this link to see the organizer of the march write it herself. https://www.facebook.com/events/1558867264365491/permalink/1559083861010498/

this is mostly people not from CH telling frum people how to act. get a life
March 22, 2015 4:20 pm

Why do people who don’t care of follow Halacha care about Halacha. It would be totally different, if some serious Torah committed people marched (and they should), but this march is sadly a bad joke.

Not the way of chassidim
March 22, 2015 4:12 pm

There is no precedent for this kind of behavior in our community.
When the Rebbe wanted to accomplish real change to major world problems, he took valuable steps. The Rebbe never believed in this kind of public display.
This kind of lashing out might make you feel good, vindicated even, but won’t actually make change.
Do something useful and please refrain from trying to secularism our streets.
There are other, more dignified ways than this to help agunas.

Idiots
March 22, 2015 4:10 pm

they do have some truth in it but they yelled in the street and women shldnt be yelling like that. Aside for that most of the people there weren’t even frum they were going around in pants and that just let the non Jews another thing against us

Real rabbis respect women?!
March 22, 2015 4:07 pm

Seriously!
A woman caught in the abusive web of a husband refusing to give a get has nothing to do with Rabbis not respecting women.
That sign alone shows what this march is really all about, not actually trying to help women tangibly, just trying to make a big ruckus against rabbonim with no tangible impact.

nebachdik
March 22, 2015 4:06 pm

its a good cause to fight for
but this looks like a pitiful way to go…

to comment 1
March 22, 2015 3:58 pm

יעדער קאקער האט א לאקער

A march of losers.
March 22, 2015 3:58 pm

The only people I see in the pictures, are a bunch of feminists, conservadox people from outside the neighborhood, and a handful of locals with an axe to grind. They made their agenda very clear. The Torah needs reform rachmono litzlan. The good news is that the vast majority of the residents of Crown Heights refused to take any part in this fight against the Torah. We definitely need Moshiach Now!

wow
March 22, 2015 3:53 pm

So many outside people coming to protest in ch I wonder why

YOU ARE ALL NUTS!!!!!!!!
March 22, 2015 3:52 pm

GET THE FACTS, BEFORE HURTING AND EMBARRASSING THESE INNOCENT CHILDREN……….
YOU ARE WRECKING THEY’RE FUTURE!!!!!

Unsensitive
March 22, 2015 3:46 pm

If only these hot headed ppl with good intentions would stand back and think for a moment before they yell

rooting out a maamar chazal
March 22, 2015 3:43 pm

סיג לחכמה שתיקה
truth is you have to know when to be quiet and when to speak up and this issue is the latter but you cannot write a sign that silence is poison in trashing a clear maamar chazal

Curious as to why none off the woman were holding the new signs?
March 22, 2015 3:38 pm

The ones that say
Give the children their cloths back”

Sorry for your Misery
March 22, 2015 3:38 pm

But none of those people are from our neighborhood
why don’t they confront their areas.

the first sign, yellow, first picture.
March 22, 2015 3:37 pm

That first sign is a quote from mishnayis, crossed out and updated. Think about that.

just for GETT about it
March 22, 2015 3:30 pm

Why did they March to Empire Blvd??

Not frum
March 22, 2015 3:30 pm

These people don’t care about halacha
And look at the way they are dressed

The change they are asking for
March 22, 2015 3:27 pm

Is that we become MO, and to endorse “Halachic” prenups – something that according to most Poskim (including the Rabonim of CH) can cause a Get to be POSSUL!!
[I wonder why they needed to travel to Australia to find one Chabad/MO Rav who would endorse them, and couldn’t find one single Chabad Rov in the whole USA who would support them…]

Agunah crisis
March 22, 2015 3:26 pm

We need a few learned Rabbis to take upon themselves to solve the problem in an Halachic manner. Look at the Talmud’s mercy that constantly used the phrase “For an Agunah the rabbis were lenient!” Look at Rabbeinu Gershom: He disallowed marrying two wives and he also disallowed a woman to be forced into a divorce, even though the Torah itself seems to say its the man’s choice. When will a great Rabbi in today’s times come up with a strategy that doesn’t give a man to refuse a Get even if he’s been a creep. With all that learning… Read more »

No thank you
March 22, 2015 3:24 pm

Thank you all you Atheist and “open Orthodox” Wackjobs For telling us how live our religious life.
We very much appreciate you opening our eyes to the so called corruption of our Rabbonim, not sure how Judaism survived 3500 Years without you.
Please make sure the door doesnt hit you oin your way out

pritzus
March 22, 2015 3:17 pm

Grade A Pritzus.

"It's Not a Right - It's a Fight!"
March 22, 2015 3:16 pm

“It’s Not a Right – It’s a Fight!”

March together
March 22, 2015 3:13 pm

It’s a shame that more ppl didn’t march Wish I lived in ch just to join!!!

yossel
March 22, 2015 3:13 pm

Now can we have a real march againts women for using their kids as a pawn in a divorce #unchainmybrother let the fathers see their children no man should get married without a pre nup how the custody of the children and finances will work

ישראלי בהלם
March 22, 2015 3:12 pm

אני יושב בארץ וממש לא מבין איך הקהילה נותנת לכזה דבר לקרות???
היכן הרבנים?
זו צניעות?
בטח הרבי היה ממש גאה בתוכן וצועדי המצעד
מ ז ו ע ז ע. . .

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