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    Letter Challenges Communal Rule

    Rabbi Yoel Kahn, Rabbi Avrohom Gerlitzky and Rabbi Berel Levin challenged the ruling of okaying the mandate of the new Crown Heights Bais Din member Rabbi Yossi Braun. Full Story

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    crown heights resident
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    crown heights resident

    This whole thing is a joke that we could allow someone to be elected to a position to which they will fill for life without truly vetting him is mind boggling.

    The fact that R’ Braun has the chutzpah to ignore the rebbe’s directives I’m sure he will pay dearly. We are talking about our yudishkeit questions about mikvah and he is passing himself off as a rav? he and his backers are playing with fire.

    where’s the fear of G-D?

    Reb Uoel
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    Reb Uoel

    Is a BEACON OF LIGHT in this whole parsha Ashrecha!!!

    How dare they!
    Guest
    How dare they!

    They have zero authority to speak against ANY Rov, especially a Zabla-Beis Din. This is Torah. It’s over. All they are doing is making a joke in public. Stop it!

    Crown Heightsers
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    Crown Heightsers

    The problem is people in CH are basically apathetic already. Years of strife, as well as the constant underlying currents, made them completely apathetic. This whole thing seems simple and I believe I can put it in just a few lines. Hes scared to produce him(if he does) smicha. If a Doctor is scared to produce his MD, you would never trust him. But here I hear Anash of Crown Heights who simply don’t care that it’s so questionable. Oh, and it seems obvious to me at least that if R Zinner says he didn’t give it as smicha, that… Read more »

    not from crown heights
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    not from crown heights

    Being from out of town I have been following the election proceedings and they have been comical to say the least. I am curious as to how someone who is not a Crown Heights resident was even allowed to run in the election in the first place. I would think that to be eligible the candidate must be living in and knowledgeable of the community. Some clarity about the matter would be much appreciated.

    what else is new
    Guest
    what else is new

    the fisheristen are back to square one: fighting a elected rov.

    come on. move on. get it through your head your candidate LOST the election. move on and stop fighting the beis din.

    Our Sages Have Commented
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    Our Sages Have Commented

    Less Din, and Less Dayan

    Tips
    Guest
    Tips

    for tips on get elected under circumstances that don’t even allow you to run you can call the offices of Rahm Immanuel in Chicago

    The Outsider
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    The Outsider

    I’ll tell you one thing. As an outsider looking in, the Crown Heights community (specifically, its leadership) seems like a bunch of clowns who can’t get anything right. There seems to be nothing that can be accomplished in any area affecting your community without infighting and unnecessary politics. After the Rebbe ZTZ”L’s passing, many Chabadnicks said that their leadership will lie in the Rebbe’s letters and teachings. You can see how far this is getting you. Without proper leadership your community will crumble and deteriorate both physically (government funding, housing etc.) and spiritually (lack of qualified rabbonim and hechsheirim etc.)… Read more »

    Appalling
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    Appalling

    This letter is appalling. If you think Rosenberg is not neutral, why did you agree to a Zabla? And once you did agree to the Zabla, of what relevance are these arguments? Make them to the court BEFORE it rules—not after!

    Very upset
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    Very upset

    I don’t care who the people are – This is a straight-out fight against a diplomatic and Torah-run community! They wanted to put somebody in who was famous for his fights in the past against justice and fairness. Now that they were unsuccessful in getting him in they turn against the Beis Din that has been working for creating peace and justice in the community. Shame on you! When will you learn that the Torah, justice and the Rebbe’s Rotzon will ultimately prevail over all the bullying tactics (in whatever form they may be expressed). May we no longer have… Read more »

    Yiishar Koach!
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    Yiishar Koach!

    Yishar kochachem for speaking out on this – finally some baalei deah publisized their real opinion on this circus

    Come on already
    Guest
    Come on already

    Rabbi Braun won the elections.

    Get over it.

    Looking forward to a bright future with the new Beis Din and better-functioning community.

    Mazal Tov.

    ZABLA
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    ZABLA

    Rabbi’s Osdoba and Schwei signed a document that they would accept the outcome of the Beis Din headed by Rav Rosenberg.
    Rav Rosenberg gave his Psak.
    So let’s go ahead – bring Rabbi Braun to Crown Heights!

    Kol Hakavoed to COL for posting this.
    Guest
    Kol Hakavoed to COL for posting this.
    Shameful
    Guest
    Shameful

    On the people who wrote this letter attacking the very Beis Din who is working for a open and upright community Al Pi Torah!

    Reb Yoel & Rabbi Garlitzky
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    Reb Yoel & Rabbi Garlitzky

    the fact that reb yoel feels its against the rebbe is enough, as there is no greater mumcha in the rebbe’s torah than reb yoel, and the fact that rabbi garlitzky feels the same is a very strong statement, as it is known that rabbi garlitzky is, perhaps the biggest talmid chacham in the torah’s ha’niglah of the rebbe

    Something "smells in Denmark"!
    Guest
    Something "smells in Denmark"!

    or should I say Sydney

    who did the vetting?
    Guest
    who did the vetting?

    Who was supposed to check out the candidate’s qualifications and credentials – Rabbi Rosenberg or one of the sitting CH rabbonim?

    TO YOU DEAR RABBI'S
    Guest
    TO YOU DEAR RABBI'S

    give up, just let it go, stop the machlokes, there was a din torah, you lost, now move on. do we need to r”l lose more kids and parents c”v.

    torah advices to go to a din torah, we did, now there is a psak. we cant say the psak works only when we win, but not when we lose.

    the 3 rabbi’s that signed this are carrying the flame of machlokes on there sholders, and people will only lose respect for them like elisha ben avuyah

    Noch eyner
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    Noch eyner

    We have to listen to the psak until another bes din tells us otherwise. I hope this letter is a sign of something substantial, and not just hot air to get everyone worked up.

    finally a normal voice
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    finally a normal voice

    bh, a few upstanding and g-fearing residents of CH have stood up to the terror and mafia and have openly written the truth

    resign gracefully
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    resign gracefully

    If half of the community didn’t want him to begin with, before any problems have surfaced, and a good portion of the other half relied on the questinable credentials in their vote, shouldn’t the guy just resign gracefully instead of imposing himself against the will of majority – had those problems been known before the election? Now that the problems have surfaced, wasn’t the whole vote in error – mekach tous? does he view this job as just another business where kol de’alim govar? if his candidacy alone causes so much controversy, why does he keep pushing himself on the… Read more »

    Dear Rabbi Braun
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    Dear Rabbi Braun

    I have nothing against you personally. I don’t know how I would have voted if I had the right to vote. But with all the questions being raised I think the best thing you can do for yourself would be to withdraw. What do you need it for? What does your family need it for? You want to come into a community where you’ll be spit on and mocked by half the community? You don’t deserve it and your children certainly don’t deserve to see their father dragged through the mud. Right or wrong, semichah or no semichah, the best… Read more »

    Please Help
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    Please Help

    This is getting very confusing. On the one hand it was agreed to listen to the Zabla, on the other hand these Rabbis make very strong arguments.

    Can somebody provide a Halachic perspective (with sources of course), on who we as a community must listen to and if this Zabla is binding on the community or not.

    If it is, then will these Rabbis (who signed the letter), abide to it?

    And if it is not then what is their plan on how we will get over our disagreements, because we’ve been to a Zabla already and they’ve given their Psak, now what?

    Headline ?
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    Headline ?

    What does the headline mean? The letter is not challenging communal rule. It is challenging Rosernberg’s ruling. Huge difference.

    AN OPEN REQUEST TO THE CURRENT RABBI's SCHWEI and OSDOBA
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    AN OPEN REQUEST TO THE CURRENT RABBI's SCHWEI and OSDOBA

    Dear Rabbi Schwei and Osdoba Shlita, In response to the current situation in Crown Heights, and in relation to the process that has brought more uncertainty then peace. Please put out an open letter to the community regarding your position of the current Psak. After the initial voting took place, I like many others in the community were ready to welcome our new Rav, we understood that this was the will of the community and it was just that. Unfortunately, many questions came up following that and now there is only one way for this to be resolved. You must… Read more »

    Another CH resident
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    Another CH resident

    R’ Braun hasn’t stepped onto American soil and already faces so much opposition.
    I wonder why he even wants to come here.

    Whoa re they?
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    Whoa re they?

    Who are these people to state an opinion? Did anyone elect them?

    It's so sad
    Guest
    It's so sad

    Crown Heightsers (including myself) live in a helpless mud hole.

    Is it any wonder that so many kids are going off the derech? When nobody has the slightest respect for anyone else and the constant petty bickering… So sad…

    YOU VOTED HIM IN!!!
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    YOU VOTED HIM IN!!!

    Dear Crown Heights Community,

    You voted him in! Its too late! You get what you ask for!

    The majority of the community elected him. Thats how elections work.

    Screaming on COL or in the streets wont work. It will discredit him, but more than that, it discredits the whole negihborhood, all the rabonim who were similarly elected and the whole Crown Heights establishment.

    The younger generation will continue to have no respect for anyone.

    Is this good for Lubavitch? Or good for Crown Heights?

    Please explain t

    to number 3
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    to number 3

    Telling Reb Yoel and the Rosh Yeshivah -who is one of the bigest Baki’s of Torah in the world that its torah is the joke

    menachem
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    menachem

    Why wasn’t the issue of Rabbi Braun’s qualifications to stand for the Beis Din position addressed before the election? I have no personal knowledge of Rabbi Braun’s qualification’s for the position, but since he was accepted as a canditate standing for election it stands to reason that
    he was qualified for the position. It appears from an outsideres point of view that it is just a question of sour grapes. These Rabbis are upset that he won so they want to find some dirt on him. I am not very impressed by them or their methods.

    Rulling of the Beth Din
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    Rulling of the Beth Din

    Rabbi Osdoba and Rabbi Schwei signed Zablo accepting the Ruling of the Beth Din headed by Rabbi Rosenberg.

    Rabbi Rosenberg in the name of the Beth Din says that the elections were valid.

    So let us follow the ruling. stop all Machloikes. And bring the third Rav – Rabbi Braun – to Crown Heights!

    what a shanda
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    what a shanda

    I learned by them all and feel sad they are becoming the faces of machlokus…

    ver hot iech gebeten..

    please do your jobs teaching and being a dugmah Chaya for the bochrim … you 3 are a fine example…

    R, Korf
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    R, Korf

    why didnt R’ Pincus Korf sign this as he signed before? – because Rabbi Osdoba and Rabbi Schwei signed Zablo accepting the Ruling of the Beth Din headed by Rabbi Rosenberg. and Rabbi Rosenberg in the name of the Beth Din says that the elections were valid.

    Smicha?
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    Smicha?

    Does Rabbi Rosenberg have Smicha?

    stinks
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    stinks

    It stinks from fraud. Perhaps by looking who is pushing the Braun agenda should give you an indication of whats really happening behind the scenes.

    Rabbi Moshe Bogomilsky is a Rov with both Shimush Experience, and Smicah. – Why not bring him in, not only will the community get someone compitent, but also, a Rov who will command the respect of the greater community, [not just the beis moshiach / shcway el al]

    the day will soon be here
    Guest
    the day will soon be here

    Rabbi Bruan will be here soon BE”H
    boy oh boy will some people look stupid.

    Funny
    Guest
    Funny

    It’s sounds funny – that all residents of Crown Heights have Semicha…except the Rav…!!!

    to # 11
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    to # 11

    the fist half of you coment is plain stupidety the second half is brillant

    Are they CHeighters?
    Guest
    Are they CHeighters?

    They may be right in what they wrote, but…Where do they live? In Crown Heights or in Eretz Yisroel? This is called interfering in the affairs of a foreign community. What would they think if a Rabbi of Poland had to issue a critic in an issue for the community of Tzfat?

    Rabbis?
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    Rabbis?

    This three individuals are not Rabbonim and are not part of the baalei dinim involved in the Din Tora. They just have an agenda: Their candidate lost and their intentions to take over the Badatz fail. They have no right to demand any explanation from the Zablo BD. Rabbi Dworkin once complaint to the Rebbe that he’s getting ‘brivlach’ from one of these people, the Rebbe told him do what I do put them in the waste.

    Fraud Is Fraud
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    Fraud Is Fraud

    To all those saying that we accepted this election and that Braun won so that’s it, i am sorry but if Braun lied and gave a false Smicha as his qualification then the whole election is null and void! And to those asking why this issue wasn’t bought up before the election, that’s because no one dreamed that a “Rov” would falsify his qualifications. there was also no time to really check him out as he was snuck in 2 weeks after the deadline! Rabbi Osdaba called for a panel of internationally respected Lubavicher Rabbonim to evaluate and recommend the… Read more »

    Shameful
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    Shameful

    The election was for the CROWN HEIGHTS Beis Din. What happened and who won are not their business. They should mind their own business and leave Crown Heights mind its own business. When HaRav Kahn critisized the low level of tznius at the Ohel, I agreed with him, because the Ohel is where our dear Rebbe rests (it’s the business of the whole Chabad community all over the world), but when it comes to contesting the election of the CH Beis Din, why does he interfere in the CH business? If the Psakei Dinim of the CH Beis Din had… Read more »

    Absolute Nonsence
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    Absolute Nonsence

    The rabbis who wrote this letter have absolutely no standing to object to the Bais Din Proceedings. They were not part of it. If they want they can make their own. The Vaad Hakohol and other rabbonim were bound by this and they MUST live with these results. This is a terrible message to send to the younger generation. The message is you dont really have to listen to a Rov who paskens. Look at these great people argueing. It is too late. The psak is in. Live with it. Since when do they care about the Badatz anyway. Just… Read more »

    TORAH
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    TORAH

    someone please help me make sense of this. As frume yiden and chassidim we are thought from very young to listen and carefully follow the directives of Rabbonim. Here wee have a beis din – Zabl”o – AGREED apon by Rabb Osdobo, Rabbi Schwei and all the relevent battleling parties in these issues. This beis din issued a ruling, and now we have some Rabbis (- did they ever realy respect this beis din?) come out and tell us not to listed the the psak din? in their letter, they call the psak din a LETTER??? and when they actually… Read more »

    was there an agreement?
    Guest
    was there an agreement?

    Is it true that Rabbis Osdobo and Shwei (and the vaad hakohol) signed that they agreed to accept the ruling of this zablo?

    Now that the Psak is not to the liking of some individuals, does that exempt the community from following the laws of the torah – namely to follow the Psak Din of Rabbonim?

    What is going on over here?

    ZABLA is ZABLA is ZABLA
    Guest
    ZABLA is ZABLA is ZABLA

    Rabbi Schwei and Rabbi Osdoba agreed to a Zablo. That means that they defer to the decision of the Beis Din – however that comes down.

    If Rabbis Schwei and Osdoba would do as they committed, and come out and put their confirmation on the Psak, everyone else would melt away.

    where is the link?
    Guest
    where is the link?

    If there is a link to the actual Zabl”o agreement – from before the din tora began, kindly post it for all to see.

    If I’m not mistaken, there is clear language there forbidding any outside rabbonim from mixing into this issue in any state of the developments. I believe it will show that the demands of the above letter are clearly forbidden in this instance.

    please shere it with us all. thank you!

    Meir
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    Meir

    it seems like there are some who never want there to be peace in this community and will do all in their power to continue fighting. in my world, once you agree to go to Beis Din (zablo), you must follow the ruling – regardless if it benefit you or not.

    Rabbonim fan
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    Rabbonim fan

    Interesting letter from 3 people that always followed and backed the CH beis din… Why did R’ Bogomilsky not sign this letter too?

    Purim?!
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    Purim?!

    Is this for real or a pre-Purim shpiel?

    After a Psak Din by a Beis Din, if you don’t like the result, you can higher highly skilled writers and thinkers to author a letter that you don’t need to follow the ruling?

    Yes, Reb Yoel is brilliant, the other 2 rabbis are quite smart as well. but what does any of this have to do with the obligation of a religious Jew to follow the ruling of the holy tora?

    Tora mandates that we follow the ruling of the agreed upon Beis Din (like it or not!)

    Chabad chassidim
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    Chabad chassidim

    There were Ovdim, Maskillim, BaaleiNigleh. The responders on this article give rise to a new title. That title would apply to those who: (a) discredit the authors out of hand; (b) Still cling to the notion that Braun won the election (it wasn’t him, it was a “virtual Braun” that turns out to be not the real thing. The “virtual Braun” is welcome by all to come and take his honorable seat. What is under discussion is – does he really exist? ); (c) are so into the political angle of the issue, that they are incapable of thinking, let… Read more »

    This will never end! what a disgrace!
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    This will never end! what a disgrace!

    Dear rabbi’s if you in fact went over this letter by Rabbi Rosenberg you would have noticed that he wrote “there is a smicha written from one year before the elections”. and if in fact Shimush is missing let rabbi braun spend two three month by a beis din and get the shimush (unless Rav Rosenberg, who is a rov feels he does not need to). While you may not feel you need to listen to him, most G-d fearing Jews that live in a community whose representatives “vaad Hakohol” hired a beis din, do feel it is important to… Read more »

    What are we teaching our youth?
    Guest
    What are we teaching our youth?

    What are we teaching our youth? if you don’t like a psak din, just shop for some other Rabbonim who agree with you? and then blame the Rebbe for it r”l?

    #42
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    #42

    All three live in CH and always have. chochem!

    ta-eesi
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    ta-eesi

    Reb Yoel is a gaon and maskil in chassidus -however history has shown again and again back to Rabbi ZS Dworkin, then (in the later years) badatz of CH and now Rabbi Rosenberg..He does not know his place….
    when it comes to chassidus there is no Gaon like him but when it comes to politics then there is no one more mistaken!

    SIGNED
    Guest
    SIGNED

    Rav Osdoba and Rav Schwei (and the vaad Hakohol) signed that they agreed to accept the ruling of this Zablo!

    Now that the Psak is not to the liking of some individuals, does that them from following the laws of the torah?

    to #15
    Guest
    to #15

    that is not the point. The point is that he is either hiding something, or is a fraud, regardsless if Rav Rosenberg allows him to come on board, we deserve to get the best of the best, not someone who is underqualified, and is sneaking his way in.

    @ 42 Are they CHeighters?
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    @ 42 Are they CHeighters?

    Where do you live?! if you lived in CH you would know that they have all been living here for over 30 years, Reb Yoel over 60 years.
    @ 43 Rabbis?
    Really? Rabbi’s Kahan, Levin and Gerlistky are not Rabbonim?! what world do you live in?

    outside rabbonim
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    outside rabbonim

    I don’t begin to understand. Halacha has ruled. All the quarreling parties agreed to go to this Bais Din. They specifically waived any ability to get other rabbonim involved at any point down the line – regarding these disputed issues. How can outside Rabbonim now come and attempt to interfere? the “nogim bedovor” clearly committed to follow the ruling of this – and only this bais din! Let us residents of Crown Heights live. they finally agreed on a path towards a solution. This Bais Din offered their Psak Din. this is “final”! Please, according to the written and signed… Read more »

    shame on us...
    Guest
    shame on us...

    Shame on us. Didn’t we ever learn to follow halacha?

    When 2 parties have a dispute, agree to settle it in Beis Din, and the beis din rules in favor of one party, what does the holy torah mandate and require us to do?

    Find other rabbonim to write a letter that they agree with the opposing/loosing party???

    Boruch N. Hoffinger                BS"D
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    Boruch N. Hoffinger BS"D

    Anyone out there have aspirins?
    #27 sounds very wise.
    Why doesn’t Rabbi Rosenberg and his ‘beis din’ come out publicly now answering these, perhaps, valid claims?
    Clarity.
    I voted for Rabbi Braun and trusted the ‘zebla beis din.’
    (PS Whoopee! I’m the only one who signed his/her name! At least I’M PROUD AND UNAFRAID OF WHAT I WRITE. All you others, PERHAPS, exhibit the type of middos that this community DOESN’T NEED: Lack of self esteem-fear.)

    to all
    Guest
    to all

    first of all Braun does NOT have a job as of Rosh Chodesh Adar, he was given notice so he has nothing to lose by going to CH

    secondly, the comunity as a whole is not bound by this Zablah. this was a case bettween individuals.

    great pilpul
    Guest
    great pilpul

    very deep pilpul. but what does it have to do with halacha?

    Torah tells us to follow a psak din – whether you like it or no! bring me 100 pilpulim from Reb Yoel shlit”o. It dos not change halacha.

    The Beis Din has ruled….. period!

    as an outsider   who lives in fla
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    as an outsider who lives in fla

    i believe you have to invalidate the past elections due to the questions raised about semicha and his inability to release the other information and letters i also believe that rabbi bogomilsky should not be allowed to run as to his involvement in the backdoor politics with rabbi marlow. let us join together with another candidate who can join them who is recognized as a great torah leader and ask Rabbi leibel Shapiro to give to crown hieghts 3 days a week. everyone acknowledges that this CH community is falling apart and due to our new elections oin the council… Read more »

    All parties agreed!!!
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    All parties agreed!!!

    All of the parties agreed that this Beth Din (Zablo) will hold authority and power over this issue. and that any doubts and questions that arise from the Psak can only be dealt with by THIS SAME Beth Din (Zablo) and no other Rabbonim. All relevant parties signed to this! NO OTHER RABBONIM have the Halachic right to mix in to this. they can meet with and present their ideas PRIVATELY with the Beth Did (Zablo) but for crying out loud – not over the internet!, But in PRACTICE they have no say as to what will happen! Please bring… Read more »

    my opinion
    Guest
    my opinion

    They will have to search for someone not necessarily Lubavitch,as in the past, to be the rav. It seems that accepting one of our own is too much of a challenge for us. It seems likse Lubavitch has an identty crises and can’t accept one of ours as a leader. Sort of like the reason we haven’t appointed a new Rebbe. Its time to let go and move on. Maybe we will just have to wait for all of the oldtimers to move on to the next world.

    Agreement?
    Guest
    Agreement?

    Please read the signed agreement between the 2 battling sides. they agree that at no time shall any other beis din interfere with any issues involved in the implementation or interpretation of the rulings of the zablo.

    additionly, only this zablo rabbonim have the sole power to interpet any issue arising from the implementation of the psak.

    all argument here is in vain. the only authority in these issues the the beis din lead by rabbi rosenberg

    http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=5224&hl=zabla

    I have nothing to say
    Guest
    I have nothing to say

    on this very important issue.

    baal habays in crown hights
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    baal habays in crown hights

    I am very soprise that R. Garelitzky speaks againt the psak din, any other psak that you are against also will comment? or only the psak that you like, you supose to know what is the jewish law when there is a psak din of a Rav, you go other one? very amaising.

    Valid and True
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    Valid and True

    Historically (Rabbi Levine can testify to this) even when a true Rov was elected legally but issues were raised thereafter, as in our case, the election was null and void and the Rov was told to stay home. For all those commenting that there was elections so this letter at this point is out of hand, this argument holds no water and is simply based on pure ignorance, as the issues being raised are integral issues in this case, meaning that if the elected Rov is unsuitable with usutiable credintials, the election was fraudulent, hence null and void. I commend… Read more »

    nothing new here!
    Guest
    nothing new here!

    thees same people fought Rabbi Morlow O.B.M. and the whole B”D of CH, for many years.
    this is just a continuation of there old fights
    the fact that they are Talmidai Chachomim just makes it worse!
    Shame on them

    p.s. what happened to the other people that signed the first letter how come they didn’t sign this one?

    If the president..
    Guest
    If the president..

    dosen’t have to prove he is a citizen…the Rov dosen’t need to prove anything at this point!

    zeev meir
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    zeev meir

    Do you know that after/during the elections for the Beis Din in 5747 there were also choshuve people that went on a all out war against the elections and candidates – in the “name” of the Rebbe…

    to #10
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    to #10

    the zabl”a was between rabbis schwei and osdobo. the three rabbis who signed this letter were not party to the din torah and thus they have little or no obligation to follow its ruling.

    to #42
    Guest
    to #42

    all three rabbis that signed this letter have been crown heights residents for decades. check your facts please.

    to menachem #33
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    to menachem #33

    rabbi braun’s candidacy was made official less then two weeks (!) before the election. that isn’t nearly enough time to sufficiently vet a candidate.

    People need to realize
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    People need to realize

    The realty is that out of haste and a much lack of knowledge the CH community elected someone who seems in very many ways isn’t fit for a position like this. Now it’s a mess! A community the size of CH with all the elements etc there, should have a senior Rov who has much experience in the field, and someone who is largely respected not only by the CH community but also to be respected amongst other Lubavitch Rabbonim around the world as well it would do much needed good. Rabbi Brnum has none of the above; the Rabbnos… Read more »

    halacha
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    halacha

    “Ein achar mayse BD klum”! There is no other BD in the world that can revert this psak. Let them go back to the library, yeshiva and sefer hoerchin and stop the machlokes.

    Doesnt make a difference who u are
    Guest
    Doesnt make a difference who u are

    Everybody just Shut up and get on with with your life. Enough making problems. Doesnt matter how holy u think u are. Stop causing machlokes in the name of torah.

    all those against rabbi braun your all wrong
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    all those against rabbi braun your all wrong

    Its about time that an Australian says something…i personally am born in sydney and still live their and pray and learn by rabbi braun”s shule tzemach tzedek, i know rabbi braun now for a very long time..he is a rav who paskans shilla”s and who learns all day and who fabrangs alot and some who dedicates all his time to his congregation…I have been to his house andi have personally seen the frame with his rabanical smicha degree….rabbi braun is an amazing man who changed sydney…for all those against him and dont even know him and just here things and… Read more »

    Halacha is Finahl
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    Halacha is Finahl

    how can this be? how is it that such respected people go out against a Psak Din of a chosen Bais Din?

    When it comes to halacha, all these peoples genies and arguments seem to be irrelevant. I was taught that once a Beis Din – which you have agreed in writing to go to and abide by it’s rulings – comes out with a verdict – it’s final.

    All these arguments are theoretical and have no bearing on the community’s responsibility to fully comply with the Psak Din.

    mekach tois
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    mekach tois

    Rabbi Braun’s candidacy was a mekah tois from the onset. Halachically, this whole sordid affair needs to be redone. You will need new elections and a new candidate.

    Rebbe's view
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    Rebbe's view

    The letter above is a masterpiece showing how the process of electing “Rabbi” Braun is completely flawed. Rabbi Rosenberg must take responsibility for allowing Braun to run without Smicha. Instead of saying he is negiah bedaver, Rabbi Rosenberg decides to cover up his mistake. Rabbi Braun, for your sake ,stay where you are. The money for your salary will dry up very fast and you will be without a salary in NY. Avrahom Gilman

    Member of community in Sydney
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    Member of community in Sydney

    In response to issue # a) With due respect to Rabbi Yoel Kahn, Rabbi Avrohom Gerlitzky and Rabbi Berel Levin. Are really serious that you doubt his experience regarding issues that arise in Beis din and Shimush? You must be joking!!!! Rabbi Braun is at the forefront of the Sydney Bais Din. He has been a Rav whom myself and most of the Frum community lubavitchers, litvishe, modern orthodox and non- frum have turned to regarding halachic issues since his on-set in Sydney. I’m sorry to say but this letter from the above – mentioned Rabbis highlights there ignorance in… Read more »

    zabla
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    zabla

    a taanah of mekac taois it is, but it is not a toeh bdvar mishna, and mah shasa asuy, is it les din vles dayan.

    insulted
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    insulted

    I don’t understand how this community can accept Rabbi Rosenberg’s statement that by Lubavitch real smicha doesn’t matter. That is one of the highest insults that anyone can say about Crown Heights and Lubavitch. Doesn’t this mean that according to Rabbi Rosenberg our kiddushin and gittin and geirus, our taharas hamishpoche shaalos…etc… are not important nor to be trusted by people outside of our community? What are we – second class citizens? Would Rabbi Rosenberg accept one of us or our children for a shidduch with someone in his own family? If the answer to even one of these questions… Read more »

    Re-Election
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    Re-Election

    A stand up nation like Ukraine called for re-elections a few years back due fraud why can’t we do the same knowing what we now know and being at least as stan upish as the Ukrainians

    to # 42
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    to # 42

    Are you asking if R’ Yoel and Rabbi Gerlitzky are CHers or if they live in Eretz Yisroel? You sound like you don’t live in Crown Heights yourself.
    Just to answer your question:
    R’ Yoel has been living in CH from before you were born! And probably Rabbis Gerlitzky and Levin as well.

    to # 43
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    to # 43

    to which rov was it? rabbi levin, yl, or reb avrohom? intresting to know. please reply. for that matter anyone who knows of this story plese clarify. thank you, azkir al hatzion

    what does rabbi ozdaba say ?
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    what does rabbi ozdaba say ?

    does anybody know, what does rabbi avrohom osdoba say regarding all this? please let us know. thank you, azkir al hatzion

    no connection between psak & elections
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    no connection between psak & elections

    while both sides agreed to the zablo bes din & the pask, no one agreed to a corrupted election process

    Machloikes!! Yay!
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    Machloikes!! Yay!

    Shame!!!!

    To #73
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    To #73

    You state at the end, the Rebbe was agreeable that a Rov can get shimush on the job, so why not in this case?? There should be no problem with someone getting shimush on the job. This is all assuming he has no shimush. You are most obviously a R Bogo supporter and cant take the fact that you lost. Face it you lost, and the psak speaks for itself. Accept it or else you are making a mockery of torah by not listening to the rabbonim

    torah teaches
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    torah teaches

    the mishnah in rosh hashona 2:9 tells us how the controversy over yom kippur was resolved by rabbi yehoshua submitting to the psak of rabban gamliel on the advice of rabbi dosa.

    look it up for yourself and see what you can learn from it! we don’t need to agonize over whose opinion is correct when our holy sages have already shown us how to deal with this sittuation.

    VERRY INTERESTING
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    VERRY INTERESTING

    How many of you remember the respect R’ Berel Levin exhibited towards Rabbi Marlow A”H?

    Also, how many of you saw Reb Yoiel turn away, when Rabbi Marlow passed him on the street?

    HIPOCRITS……

    Shame on R' Braun
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    Shame on R' Braun

    I voted, and convinced other people, to vote for R’ Braun. Had I even had an inkling of a possibility that this shmendrick hasn’t even bothered to get semicha and has the audacity to run for rav in the most important Chabad community I wouldn’t have bothered with him at all. Shame on R’ Braun for making matters even worse than they were before this entire election process. Stay home braun thanks for making matters from bad to worse. R’ Rosenberg, you failed too! You didn’t do your due diligence and were paid a fortune, to boot. Go back to… Read more »

    notice
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    notice

    1.the 3 rabonim are from ch
    2.the letter is to the rabonim not to ch

    #11
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    #11

    agree with 11

    Too Late! The Community Elected Him Already
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    Too Late! The Community Elected Him Already

    Where were you all during the elections? Only NOW you have what to say? Since when did Reb Yoel become a “Rav” capable of challenging the election process of a Shechuna? Shalom

    Why write such SHTUS????
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    Why write such SHTUS????

    The letter states: “if a Rav isn’t particular in not using “Chalav Stam”, would anybody suggest to appoint him to supervise and determine the standards of Kashrus of Chalav Yisrael, for those who are particular to drink only Chalav Yisrael, and that he should decide which milk is good to use and which should not be used?!” Sorry, WRONG!! WRONG!!! WRONG!! Of course a mashgiach who uses cholov stam can give a hechsher on cholov yisroel! He has naymonus!! Just as a mashgiach or shoichet who is askenazi can give a hechsher on meat Bais Yossef!! Is someone who uses… Read more »

    Korach's relentless Machlokes...
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    Korach's relentless Machlokes...

    The relentless pursuit of this disgusting Machlokes against our newly elected 3d Rav, may Chas Vesholom get them burnt. This Treo are Playing with fire! As for the rest of the community, all we can say is “Hibadlu Mikem”, as was said to the Korach-Clan Machlokes_Machers, so as not to get “sucked in to the ground” when the end of the Korach-Machlokes-Machers delivers them, “their reward”. Non of us in the community can even contemplate for a second, that this 3 rabbis, together with R’ Bogomilsky, had solicited unsuspecting Rabbis, to pull the wool over their eyes, and it was… Read more »

    a pashuter yid
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    a pashuter yid

    Is it true or false?

    Is it ture that the leaders and elected representatives of our comunity (the elected rabbonim and vaad hakohol) unanimasly agreed to go to this zabla beit din and follow it’s ruling in all the disputed areas, especially the Rabbonus of Crown Heights?

    They represent the “entire” community! and therefore the comunity must follow the rulling. period. The comunity got to express their wishes at the ballot boxes (both vad hakahal and rav), and the Zablo certified the results.

    This is the end of the story…

    What about R' Osdoba
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    What about R' Osdoba

    He ran on the pretense of being a frum yid and following shulchan aruch. Turns out he refuses to accept a p’sak from a beis din. His election was a mekach tous.

    Agree with #89
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    Agree with #89

    Once more, Chabad is a subject of ridicule for the whole frum world.

    Shame on us, shame on the BD.

    Nemo
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    Nemo

    To #87: As a shliach/smicha-bochur in Sydney, I was mishamesh the Sydney Beth Din in its office at the Great Synagogue nearly every week, during its sessions on Thursday mornings, from September 2005 until June 2007. I served as a witness for gittin and was privy to many of the goings-on of the Beth Din. I was not, however, present during the dinei torah as I was required to be present with the sofer during the writing of the get. I was also present when gittin were written and/or delivered in various other venues in Sydney. I tutored geirim for… Read more »

    A Major Catastrophe
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    A Major Catastrophe

    My Dear fellow Chabad Chassidim sheyichyu, I don’t begin to understand what all the above comments are for: All that Reb Yoel, Rabbi Garelitzky and Rabbi Levin are asking are some extremely VALID questions that NEED to be answered and SHOULD be haunting EVERY member of our (THE REBBE’S) Shchuna. Avoiding these issues and not demanding answers is only going to catch up with us later, if what we’ve seen till now hasn’t been enough. These three (Reb Yoel, Rabbi Garelitzky and Rabbi Levin) are from our absolute finest & most reliable when it comes to THE REBBES INYONIM. How… Read more »

    WHY
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    WHY

    DOESNT R’ BRAUN WITHDRAW WHEN HE IS SO UNWELCOME?

    Re-election
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    Re-election

    I voted for Rabbi Braun (who has taught Hilchos Semicha… So I figure he knows the Halachos), and would vote again in a re-election.
    I believe the majority still would.

    truth
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    truth

    I don’t care who the rov is, but I do want truth. Let rabbi rosenberg respong and all the other rabbonim of the zabla’a respond to the issues raised. Let’ have the truth. If it supports Rabbi Braun then good. If not, elections should be held again.
    What really bothers me is the the demeaning way that Rabbi Rosenberg treats the community. We are adults. We are entitled to see all the supporting evidence and a psak signed by all the rabbonim.
    :eck! Why doesn’t Rabbi Braun simply send a copy of the semich to COL?!

    i cant believe this
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    i cant believe this

    “it is clear from what we heard from the community of Sydney” who did they ask this is preposterous and untrustworthy.

    if R’ zinner signed something it is signed. no questions asked. you cannot put your name to somehing and say it is meaningless. typical crown heights. go to court and see if that would stand up. only in beis din are we stuck with instances of this damming foolishness

    what about rabbi levin
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    what about rabbi levin

    why is no one talking about him

    Daas Baalei Batim Heipech Daas Torah
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    Daas Baalei Batim Heipech Daas Torah

    These self-appointed analysts invalidate themselves.

    You attempt to draw the Rebbe into your petty ploitics, but didn’t the Rebbe write that one who does not have experience as a Rav cannot question Rabbonim.

    Five of the brightest Rabbonim in the world — four of them Lubavitchers — have ruled. Their ruling is al pi Torah.

    Mashpiim, Maskilim and Librarians are not Rabbonim and, according to the Rebbe their opinion is the opposite of Torah. End of story!

    Money where your mouth is
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    Money where your mouth is

    Rabbi Gerlitzky wrote a fine pilpul to “treif-up” a psak din. Let’s accept it. BUT – let Rabbi Gerlitzky be the Rov in CH! Let’s see him FIX instead of just tear down. It’s easy to scream “treif!”…

    estie
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    estie

    yee haw. braun got elected in. he should never have been on the slate in the first place. rosenberg doesn’t have enough depth to say – whoops, we need to do this again. imagine if it was crystal clear that obama is not a us citizen… by now i guess braun should stay and all will continue to disrespect the tribunal. for good reason. i say – learn enought straight from the books not to need to ask. and grow a spine so that you don’t need a leader (aygel). but if you must be a mindless sheep, go follow… Read more »

    what does the vaad have to say?
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    what does the vaad have to say?

    isaac b tamir????

    Zablah was not the solution
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    Zablah was not the solution

    I was hoping that after the Zablah managed to put together the election we would finally have peace and leadership in the neighborhood, but I guess I was wrong. Regardless of what the end of this soap opera will be, there can not be peace nor leadership if the election or the zablah failed to unify the community. The only way of creating unity is by eliminating all of the possible arguments that may arise well before they arise. That is why the zablah was hired but they failed miserably. I feel that it is not about weather Rav Braun… Read more »

    Question
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    Question

    As a ‘poshuter yid’, once the Beis din with sole jurisdiction and authority on these matters issued their ‘psak din’, it is final – 1000% and Rabbi Braun is the 3rd Rov of Crown Heights But just for an intellectual exercise, I just went back and took a look at a ‘tzetel’ that was making it’s rounds over the web some time ago – written by Rabbi Eliezer Zirkind to the Rebbe dated 21 Tamuz, 5746, where he reports to the Rebbe that he had fulfilled the ‘shlichus’ of the Rebbe to see the ‘smichas’ of the 3 elected Rabbonim… Read more »

    First you put pressure on tziner to deny giving smicha and now ..the killing
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    First you put pressure on tziner to deny giving smicha and now ..the killing

    First he’s the yetzer hara that convinces to sin, then the Satan that prosecutes against and then the malice kamaves that kills. Having been the rebbes choizer and a mashie with a vast knowledge of chassidus does not give a person especially not a chased the right to be me hares the rebbes schuna or any. First he went to rabbi tzinner and put pressure on him to revoke and deny the smicha he gave and now is writing this big fancy document to push the point that he was never given smicha. Next step he will make sure there… Read more »

    response to #52
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    response to #52

    Rabbi Bogomilsky moved on. He continues to be the ROV of CH and is respected by most.. The ones who wanted r’ braun got what they deserved more machloikes. To say the least they made fools of themselves. Someone should ask SB drizin What rabbi Bogomilsky ever did to him to hate him so much and ruin the entire community. Thats right people, just because someone is rich does not give him the right to spread lies and hate. Wake up and realize you are all being puppet mastered by SB drizin and friends. Rabbi Bogomilsky is BH available to… Read more »

    Yeshivish P'shat
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    Yeshivish P'shat

    The kler is: Is it a mekach to’us (- but what is being sold or bought here? My Nafka mina? l’mekach u’memkar!); Or matonah b’to’us (-a pruim’dik matona l’enyonim! Matneh al ma shekosuv b’tora!); Or michilah b’to’us (-zeit motchel), But this all assumes it was a to’us or at least a true shoygeg (not a shoygeg korov l’mayzid, kal v’chomer, p’shiya), And then would this to’us pasel-up the Gavreh – since he wasn’t a cheftzah, Or is he not a cheftzah because he isn’t a gavreh? With this kler you get pshat in the ma’asse of these sfekos and dayos,… Read more »

    ein ldavar sof
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    ein ldavar sof

    lol
    they want to take this to another zabla?!!?!?
    Which rav would be crazy enough to judge a case of a rov being judged for mishandling a case and accused by the people who lost lol

    CLARITY OF MIND!
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    CLARITY OF MIND!

    its quite simple there was a psak din tora thats it . what a chutspa to go and write letters like this.u got to know your limits.the above signed 3 r not rabbonim and whats their business opening their mouths .enouph allready !go back to your books and krich nisht voo du balangst nisht ! shoimu shomayim ! luz up ! vhashem yerachem ! omisaymim btov amen.

    R' Tziner gave R' Braun smicha
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    R' Tziner gave R' Braun smicha

    Who was it that visited Rabbi Tziner and convinced him that Rabbi Brauns election was sakanas nefoshos and therefore must be nullified or denied? The same person that has now written this letter trying to discredit him and the psak din.
    And who is it that has gone to misnadishe Rabbanim to fight our Badatz years ago when they gave the lubavitcher Yeshiva permission to take MERKOS to court.

    How old does one have to be to stop fooling himself and wearing the cloak of chassidisheit and hiskashrus!

    PINCHOS
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    PINCHOS

    ive read all 124 comments! and not one can answer the letter that was written! there is nothing wrong with asking questions! instead of bashing the letter answer it. if not then dont write anything.

    glad i aint part of this..levi
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    glad i aint part of this..levi

    This 51-49 rule never works out when voting for a rav of a shul, especially an entire coMmunity like ch. Vote again, candidate must have 80pct of the votes. Otherwise, this will just go round in circles for ever. Additionaly, haven’t we all joked/said at one time or another that 770/ot are ‘smicha factories’? Lastly, r’ gerlitzky is liked by pretty much everyone (b day parties etc by students) and reb yoel – can anyone say a bad word about the two of them? Let me end by saying that even though obama got voted in, the gop always hated… Read more »

    choose what you want!
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    choose what you want!

    All those welcoming our “new Rov”, you can be under his rulings if you want. Place your mikvah, kidushin and kashrus shailos under the ruling of a man without smichah. As for me I’d prefer to go according to a rov with smichah. Good luck fools!

    Question #2 (120)
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    Question #2 (120)

    is there any evidence to suggest that when the Rebbe tasked Rabbi Zirkind to personally see the newly elected Rabbonim’s semicha, the Rebbe inssisted that the Semicha be dated prior to the date that they offered up their candidacy to Run as a Chaver Beis Din, or did the Rebbe want to make sure that they have the semicha document before they actually take office. It’s very clear that one can have an enormous knowledge of Halacha and lack an official Semicha, and if he chooses to get this document, he wouldn’t have to study anything new in order to… Read more »

    #118 - what does the vaad have to say?
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    #118 - what does the vaad have to say?

    I believe that Zaki is a Frum yid, and will fully follow the Halacha = Psak Din- no questions asked

    Re: #112
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    Re: #112

    Rabbi Rosenberg and the entire Beis Din is NOT required (and I’m not sure it would be wise) to respond to this or any other letters. these people will not accept any answer – the only acceptable solution for them is to remove Rabbi Braun (not because they know him or have anything personally against him, only because he stands in the way of their POLITICAL agenda! and as long as the winner is not one of their political persuasion, they will fight tooth and nail…)

    Excuse me
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    Excuse me

    Siman chof-hey (25) in Choshen Mishpat is dedicated to “A Dayan who Makes a Mistake in his Psak”

    Such am ha’aratsess, and they speak with such sweeping and indignant self righteous accusasions.

    (Like Rabbi Tzinner and R.Yoel are liars and R’ Braun-R’ Rosenberg are tzaddikim. Gevald – are you so meshuchad to your politics? Can’t you just level the playing field and agree to investigate who is the liar? That is bizayon enough.)

    Ir hot aleh a shaychuss tzum lernen vi a tzig tzu shalleshudess…

    99 - truth
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    99 - truth

    Do you expect us to believe you voted for Rabbi Broun?

    Sending the wrong message
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    Sending the wrong message

    To Rabbi Kahn, Rabbi Levin and Rabbi Gerelitzky, I was deeply saddened by your letter and challenge to Rabbi Rosenberg. You are three of the most respected rabbis in Crown Heights. Most of the C.H. community have learned from any one of you and we as a community still have deep respect for you. How sad that your current actions have taught the community and our young such a sorry lesson. You have taught our community that a psak din of a rav is something which you get to pick apart, belittle and challenge when you don’t like it. And… Read more »

    is it a Ksuba, Hamlotzo or a Mock wedding???
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    is it a Ksuba, Hamlotzo or a Mock wedding???

    i want to see the Ksuba of these rabbis!

    Mema Nafshach,
    the witness that singed it might have thought it was a Hamlotzo that he has 200 Zuz and thats it, not that they were REALLY getting married!
    V’ha Raye! someone else wrote the Nusach!
    and it doesn’t it have a gold border and its on plain paper!

    OR you could say that he thought it was a mock wedding!

    what the rebbe says
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    what the rebbe says

    The prolonged controversy about the validity of the Crown Heights Rabbinate elections has lost a lot of its momentum. But many people are still being attracted to the wellsprings of falsehoods and rumors, drinking from the venomous waters served by those who don’t wish the best for their community, or at least not at the expense of their own power or interests. For the genuinely G-d fearing voter, the response to the various claims set out by the Zablo Beis Din headed by Rabbi Avrohom Rosenberg was ample. Perhaps the issues raised were well-intentioned problems with the elected rabbi, or… Read more »

    You lost. Get over it.
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    You lost. Get over it.

    People, your candidate lost. Get over it. Stop acting like little kids…Don’t you have something better to do with your lives?

    #87 is an outright liar
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    #87 is an outright liar

    If you actually live in Sydney then you know d— well that Braun has never had any involvement in the Beis Din. None whatsoever.

    And speaking of liars, #83 says he’s seen the framed smicha; if so, perhaps he can tell us who issued it. And how long ago he saw it, since it seems that everyone agrees he had no smicha until a year or two ago.

    Once you tell such blatant lies, why should we believe anything you have to say?

    Amazing
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    Amazing

    I once heard a vort from a older Chosid. He said that there are people that are book smart and street stupid. In other words ,there is lacking an ability to think between the lines.The Rebbe mentioned many times that one can demand from a Rav where did you take this law from? Why is it some people do not understand the concept if a din torah is not built on proper foundations it is no longer valid. Based on some of the responses above, they reason if Rav Rosenberg says that one can drive one’s car to shul on… Read more »

    מגיב בעברית...
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    מגיב בעברית...

    רציתי להגיב כאן דבר אחד פשוט: כל זה נכון היה לפני הבחירות.. כעת משנסתיימו הבחירות מה הטעם בכל זה? להגביר המחלוקת? הרי כל התומכים ברב ברויון תמכו בו מצד אישיותו ובזה נגמר הסיפור…

    Rav Kahn
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    Rav Kahn

    Remember when Rav Kahn and R’ Bogomilsky went to OUTSIDE Rabonim to put Rav Marlow and (YBLCH”T) Rav Osdoba in a Cherem?

    problmes
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    problmes

    pepole r juest looking to make problems r. brown is rav

    just a point...
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    just a point...

    SYDNEY IS NOT A ‘SMALL COMMUNITY’.
    I agree with this letter, send rabbi braun back to us!!!!

    Milhouse
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    Milhouse

    I thought it over and it’s clear to me now that Rabbi Osdoba is under the Jurisdiction of the Zabla Beis Din and Rabbi Osdoba must accept this Psak Din that the newly elected Rav is the 3d Rav. According to the Original Psak Din by the Zabla, it states that after the election all 3 Rabbonim must sit together and deliberate together and Pasken together and sign together… The Psak Din of the Zabla stipulates that if any one of them refuses, he will be ousted and replaced. It’s now Rabbi Osdoba’s choice to either shape up and follow… Read more »

    Hei teiveis
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    Hei teiveis

    Why was Rabbi A. Shemtov initially unsure on who’s side Berel Levin was?….

    * A L L *  Sore Loosers, always deffy their Din Torah
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    * A L L * Sore Loosers, always deffy their Din Torah

    Every Din Torah has winners and losers and the sore looser will always bad mouth Beis Din of the Din Torah and claim that the Psak which made them loose, is not proper “al pi torah” (their version of Daas Baalay Batim which the Rebbe says is actually HEPECH Daas Torah!)

    Our Badatz as a Dugma Chaya
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    Our Badatz as a Dugma Chaya

    If any one of the 2 Rabbonim who had agreed to this Zabla Beis Din – If any one of them refuses to follow this Psak Din, he has made a mockery of all future Din Torah’s in C.H.

    If a Rov refuses to follow the Psak Din of a Din Torah where he, himslef, is under their jurisdiction, then certainly he can be sure that no one will ever listen to his own Psak Din either in the future, sitting his own Rav as a living example of refusing to follow a Psak Din.

    What an Education
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    What an Education

    I am learning so much here (at age 68!)

    Reb Yoel Kahan actually went and convinced Rabbi Tzinner to repeal the smicha?

    I am amazed that he did this.

    I am more amazed that someone would believe he did this.

    Stunned that someone would believe that by writing this he would score points for his pet cause.

    Concerned
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    Concerned

    All three of the “authors” are very talented but they they are helping to perpetuate dis-honesty, corruption and disdain for the tzibur

    This will only serve to make two kehillas with no hope of any erlichkeit. It will also help to totally ruin the youth.

    It appears Rabbi Kahan has extra time on his hands. What is with Sefer Haerchim that the Rebbe Zatzal so dearly wanted?

    Why not spend more time speaking to Rabbonim and Roshei Yeshiva like he did in Israel?

    There are so many CONSTRUCTIVE things he can do!

    Rabbi Levin print more seforim!

    Rabbo Gorelitzky say more shiurim! Print more chidushim!

    To #103
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    To #103

    Are you saying, for example, that someone who doesn’t keep yoshon and eats c”v chodosh in chutz la’aretz, that he CAN be believed to be mashgiach and give hechsher that product is yoshon?

    Are you saying that someone who eats c”v non-Lubavitch shchita CAN be mashgiach and give a hechsher on Lubavitch Shchita??

    YOU would trust such a person??!!!

    That’s like – if someone wears c”v shatnez and he is working in a shatnez labratory and giving hechsher on clothes being shatnez free!!

     c"v chodosh in chutz la'aretz
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    c"v chodosh in chutz la'aretz

    why chas v’shalom?

    the Alter Rebbe says: עכשיו אין העולם נזהרין כלל באיסור חדש

    See Sichas achron Shel Pesach 5740

    to 149
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    to 149

    Why not check out Tziners letter written to Reb Yoel on the 23rd of kislev and the letter written on gimme Parshas chaya Sara from Rabbi G tziner to Reb Yoel and the accompanying visiting delegates. They were printed on Crown Heights info. I guess you are a naive 68 year old.
    As to my pet cause- my heart bleeds over the kids we lose each year watching our bickering leadership and the victory the Satan is feeling watching mashpiim doing the machlaikus work for him.

    i love #136
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    i love #136

    LOL!

    To #20
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    To #20

    To paraphrase your own comment “the Torah advises”… not to use such shameful language against Torah sages and elderly people and in a public forum. Regardless of your opinion on their actions or thoughts.

    #33
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    #33

    From the last two sentences of your comment it is clear that you do not know who they are- although you are quite sure that you know their motivations. It seems that you are assuming that they are like you would be. Only ignorance could make someone write such words against such great talmidei chachamim without realizing that one is playing with fire.

    To #150
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    To #150

    Your bitter sarcasm and patronizing words shows you for what you are, that is; not on the level of the people you are critisizing. People, who, as pillars of the community, relied upon by many for their knowledge and wisdom, do have the responsibility to make their opinions known on matters they feel are of concern to the jewish community. The torah does not claim to be politically correct, it claims to be-true. So whether everyone agrees with their opinions or not, they have the right and the obligation to state it.

    publicity
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    publicity

    The above letter has raised many valid points to ponder on. Such a letter addressed to the bes din should have only reached them, Perhaps in such a fashion it would be taken seriously by the people involved. Publicity of such a letter is self destructive.

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    to # 5

    Don’t you realize that your question is a good question if you’re talking about a normal situation. However, I don’t think that applies to the town of Chelm which we have all become residents of, unfortunately.

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