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    It’s Not the Eruv. It’s the Chutzpah

    Chabad librarian Rabbi Berel Levine and Shliach Avrohom Brashevitzky respond to the discussion about an Eruv in Crown Heights. Full Story

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    For the visitors
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    For the visitors

    My personal opinion- it should be built so that all of the visitors, most of whom are either not frum or working their way up (think C-Teen, etc), who are most likely to be carrying something accidentally, can not be violating halacha.

    bravo
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    bravo

    Very well stated

    cold winter
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    cold winter

    Why the hate on the side opposing the eiruv I would not use the eiruv but I understand people who want this you can’t change a want by hate

    Kol Hakovod
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    Kol Hakovod

    Kudos to you Rabbi Brashivitsky well written and to the point.

    Seriously anoying
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    Seriously anoying

    Let us have a eruv.
    dont use it if you dont agree
    this community is so frustrating

    Res
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    Res

    Number 1 after reading the above I feel it is totally wrong of you to express your opinion on how you feel why there should be an Eruv … If you want to disagree with above feel free to state/ explain why .. Though your opinion is uncalled for

    It is very simple
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    It is very simple

    This is the Rebbe’s neighborhood and the Rebbe sets the rules here. The Rebbe made it clear no eruv. It is not a matter of live and let live, or those who don’t want youse don’t have to! The Rebbe said no so it is off limits period.

    Beautiful.
    Guest
    Beautiful.

    Thank you for taking the time to write such a clear response.
    MZ

    Rabbi Levins article about an Eruv
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    Rabbi Levins article about an Eruv

    Is it possible for COL to translate it into English?
    For the benefit of the majority of readers who cannot easily read such a long and detailed letter in Hebrew.
    thank you!

    smaller eruv according to ar
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    smaller eruv according to ar

    It seems rabbi levin is advocating for a smaller eruv that would be ok according to the ar, which would need to be limited to new York ave to the west Schenectady to the east montgomery to the south and union to the north. Because this is very small I don’t think rabbi Levis plan would have support even if they would reopen the union St entrance to 770.

    Askon of CH  -- 52 weeks
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    Askon of CH -- 52 weeks

    I am not him. I don’t know whether his approach is correct or it is not correct but I am glad to know that that spirit is alive in our community. This is pirtza shein cemohu, and no the advocates aren’t losing sleep because CH woman cannot take the strollers out on Shabbos. Nobody sane really loses sleep over this. It is about bringing the community into the ’21 Century.’ And I wouldn’t blithely disregard the ‘we will take it down every eruv shabbos’ threat either, even though there will be cameras and penalties and the like because at the… Read more »

    Community
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    Community

    what can be done to make Shabbos more enjoyable for mothers of young children?

    What are the difficulties in not having an Eruv an how can we try to address them, while respecting the standards the Rebbe instituted in CH?

    Sure we can figure this out if we wanted to, there are lots of creative minds in our community, Thank G-d.

    Living in CH @ #1
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    Living in CH @ #1

    I live in CH, raised my children here and now they are B”H BA”H raising their children here. We stay, despite the high rents, the drugs and the gangs, because this is the Rebbe’s schunah. It is a frum community with everything a frum Jew needs, kosher stors, shuls , yeshivas and girls schools, etc. If visitors come, you can tell them there is no eiruv, exactly as is done in Flatbush when the eiruv is down. Imagine – you are all set to push your baby to a family simcha, you look out the window, and lo and behold,… Read more »

    Rabbi Levine the true chossid of the Rebbe!!!
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    Rabbi Levine the true chossid of the Rebbe!!!

    I’ve been following Rabbi Levine class every Sunday night at empire shtibble .He know what he is speaking about he is a true chossid with faith in the eibishter. We should following his step and forget about this eruv

    please translate Rabbi Shalom Ber Levine's responsa
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    please translate Rabbi Shalom Ber Levine's responsa

    It’s important that everyone beable to learn the facts.
    Thanks

    Very well written
    Guest
    Very well written

    Amazing and well deserved response.

    Do people turn to this forum for attention?

    Opinions
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    Opinions

    Everyone is entitled to them. Halacha, if you don’t know it yourself and can’t learn it yourself, then it must be from a Rav. Hashkafa, if you haven’t delveloped it for yourself, or have a question for yourself, it is relegated to one’s mashpia. Whether there can or should be an eruv in “Crown Heights” (and what exactly CH might mean is certainly subjective), is, in my opinion a mix between halacha and hashkafa. There is the halachioc nagle as to whether an eruv is possible or permissible wherever you might want to put it aro9und street of Crown heights.… Read more »

    Well put
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    Well put

    Thank you for putting the author of the original piece in the place he deserves.
    If you want to live in CH respect the Rebbe’s standards, if you don’t, you really can just leave.

    To #3 and the rest
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    To #3 and the rest

    An opinion which differs from yours does not constitute ‘hate’ or leave the writer of that opinion deserving a name of ‘hater’. This is a nomenclature invented by goyim on youtube and other media sources to try to suppress the freedom of speech of anyone who does not conform strictly to their own opinion. Such people are emotionally driven rather than rationally driven and cannot process the idea that when others see things differently it is not a personal attack on them. Therefore, you will often find decent people with a mind of their own, who are offending no one… Read more »

    Very very true message
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    Very very true message

    Enough discussing what the Rebbe would have wanted. We KNOW- he told us. He spoke about the matter. And just like the Torah doesn’t change, the Rebbe doesn’t change either. Chassidim too. If you are a chossid, follow the Rebbe! He said no eiruv, so be a chossid! its simple!!

    According
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    According

    To many poskim eastern parkway and ocean parkway are not considered a רשות הרבים. Please review ספר אום אני חומה באריכות נפלא בעניין זה. If the eruv will have a rov or a bais din who approves it then each person can decide if he wants to carry or not

    To Rabbi Brashevitzky
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    To Rabbi Brashevitzky

    You stated unequivocally that ” The Rebbe said what he meant and meant what he said.” That is absolutely correct — for that time and place. Your argument about the Torah never changing is most certainly true for all times and places, but matters that the Rebbe weighed in on are certainly only related to the time and place — unless the Rebbe said specifically that he wanted his advice or response to be kept forever. The Rebbe famously told people not to wear contact lenses. It was a directive that was clearly time related. Now that contact lenses are… Read more »

    What happened to simple EMUNAH????
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    What happened to simple EMUNAH????

    My family, and my husband and I do business, with yidden from other kehillos, such as SYRIANS, CHASSIDISH & MODERN ORTHODOX!
    WHEN THE ROV SAYS, THAT’S WHAT IT IS!!!! ACCEPTED!!!
    WHERE IS RESPECT TO THE RABBONIM?
    And FIRST AND FOREMOST RESPECT TO OUR REBBE!!!! The REBBE is our nossi hador who sees through our neshamos, he knows what is best for us! The rebbes seeing is not limited to space and time! We see this from many stories!!
    How could we have the chutzpah to challenge the rebbi!!!!

    to #19 so so so so well said
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    to #19 so so so so well said

    should be posted at the beginning of every collive and other websites articles

    To numb 19
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    To numb 19

    Touché!!

    Whatever
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    Whatever

    To number 7 very well said and straight to the point

    Mingling woman
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    Mingling woman

    An eruv would only allow woman to be in the streets and mingling when they shouldn’t!

    if we had the rebbe
    Guest
    if we had the rebbe

    we wouldnt need the eruv
    an entire dor has been born and married that unfortunatly did not see the rebbe prior to 1991 moshiach now

    nice article but can you bring proof from the rebbes psak?
    Guest
    nice article but can you bring proof from the rebbes psak?

    The other guy did, you didn’t

    Thank you
    Guest
    Thank you

    My question, like Rabbi Brashivitsky posed is, why are you living in Crown Heights? What is the appeal? We live here despite the high housing prices, because it’s the Rebbe’s shechuna, no other reason. No one is telling you how to live your life, please do not disrespect the community and try to make changes that outright disrespect The Rebbe. With all due respect, those who’d like an eiruv, there are many communities that have eiruv’s, even Lubavtich ones. Please consider moving to such a community where you will feel comfortable and happy to live life as a torah Jew.

    thank you for this response
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    thank you for this response

    i truly hope that the Rebbes wishes are respected.

    Eruv is necessary and Halachically feasible. It's coming to CH use or don't use, it it's here.
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    Eruv is necessary and Halachically feasible. It's coming to CH use or don't use, it it's here.

    Eastern pkwy isn’t a reshus harabim, there would need to be 600k passersby in a day. We checked with the DOT, no such thing not even close. Another opinion holds that to be counted in the 600k these passersby cannot be just passing by from one city to another. Next, rebbe argument. Since when was the rebbe against an Eruv? There’s a lot of misinterpretation when it comes to the rebbe’s letters. I understand that the rebbe was for it. Now even if you understand that the rebbe was against it that doesn’t mean that the rebbe wouldn’t change his… Read more »

    Because
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    Because

    I don’t live in ch, and I’m not particularly pro eruv.

    But I want to point out that people live in ch not only because it’s the Rebbe’s shchuna. Its wherr they were born and raised. It’s where their family lives. That’s why.

    to #22
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    to #22

    You are completely correct that many chasidim do not follow the Rebbe in every respect. Rabbi Brashivitski is not responsible for fellow shluchim that do not follow the Rebbe’s directives. But so what? Just because another chosid has lowerstandards should not be an excuse for you to lower your standards. You live in CH, the Rebbe’s beloved community. What a shliach is or is not doing miles away from you cannot be a reason for you to be nichshal. That shliach does not live in the Rebbe’s community and if he allows mixed classes does not mean you should be… Read more »

    10 pages of assumptions!
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    10 pages of assumptions!

    Before congratulating this pshetl of R Levin, did you bother reading it and understanding it. If you did with a clear unbiased approach you would see it being very questionable, based on many of his own pshetlach and assumptions. And most of all, his main point seems to contradict the rebbes own opinion of having an eiruv (albeit in secrecy). According to R Levin, an eiruv al pi the alter rebbe is impossible in the city of NY. WOULD THAT NOT BE SOMETHING THE REBBE WOULD HAVE WRITTEN CLEARLY HAD IT BEEN SO CLEAR CUT AS THIS AUTHOR MAKES IT???

    Rabbi Levine's Article
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    Rabbi Levine's Article

    I received Rabbi Levine’s article a few days ago and had time to properly review it. It seems that he shot the arrow and then drew the circle. He begins with the premise that CH is a Reshus Harabim, and then twists everything to fit into his narrative. The reality is, that CH can have a Kosher L’mehadrin Alter Rebbe Eiruv, with just some modifications and engineering creativity. It’s not as complicated as it sounds. Whether there is a Eiruv or not, I will not use it, nor will my wife and kids (IYH); however, I still believe that it… Read more »

    Lubavitch
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    Lubavitch

    Town of Lubavitch is currently in Russia, not Belarus.

    Thank you
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    Thank you

    Aמd, yes, there was a CLEAR and strongly worded directive from the Rebbe to Melbourne:
    מפורסמת דעתי שבדורנו זה איש או ארגון שמתחשבים אתי העושה עירוב ויודע שסוף סוף יתפרסם הדבר – הרי זה תקלה איומה, כי אי אפשר שלא יארע שבת קודש אחד והעירוב פסול – וע”פ טבע שיתרגלו פעמים אחדים בהוצאה בשבת קודש לא תועיל כל הכרזה והודעה שהעירוב נפסל ואסור וכו’ שיפסיקו להוציא
    ואין לעשות עירוב אלא בסודיות

    @ 15
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    @ 15

    Learn some Hebrew

    The reason were are even at this point
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    The reason were are even at this point

    Two points on this first Not all crown heightsers care, the sad reality is that many people would rather have a more comfortable living situation than follow everything the Rebbe was pro and against to the letter. and that’s not our problem or our business if it’s mutar and they want it who are you to stop them. Many will say this is a chabad community so they need to respect it. But is it really a community? Theres no bais din no vaad hakahol no Central organization of any kind. How can we the Lubavitchers of CH, force Jews… Read more »

    Who REALLY needs the Eruv?
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    Who REALLY needs the Eruv?

    Crown Heights lasted this long without it then I am sure it will manage to do so for much longer….. Personally, I have felt the atmosphere of Shabbos disappear in my neighbourhood where an Eruv was recently built. It feels like a seven day week. Kids are on scooters, those that are now carrying, seem to be shlepping the kitchen sink to shul with them…Foot balls ‘n all. The original concept of people saying they’d like to be able to go to Shul gets lost and it gets out of hand. Shabos is a day of rest. Spend it with… Read more »

    @41
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    @41

    If you see “Kids are on scooters” or people playing football ball tell them, eruv or not they are muktza

    so much has been lost
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    so much has been lost

    The fact this discussion is going on shows how much is lost. The rebbe said no eruv should end the discussion. This is not a mew medical treatment like contact lens that got safer that the rebbe changed his opinion on. It’s clear he was against the eruv. Halacha doesn’t change for convenience. I agree many things are being done that the rebbe was against such as so many going to college. So many didn’t get the privilege of running to fabrengen to hear the rebbe speak and letting what he taught govern our lives without trying to twist it.

    to #1
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    to #1

    About C-teens’ counselers.
    I noticed them wear their ID tags ON SHABBOS hanging down from their neck. And Some guests following their example and wear their CH map and schedule hanging down from their neck. Is this permitted without an eiruv?

    To #19 well said
    Guest
    To #19 well said

    #19 so well said! It”s become so common to use that a comeback and it is so lame !!

    Very nice. You can keep arguing.
    Guest
    Very nice. You can keep arguing.

    But the fact is that no eiruv is kosher or useful if it has a reshus harabim running straight through it. At the very least, 770 and Eastern Parkway are reshus harabim d’orayta, and there’s nothing you can really do about that.

    If you want an eiruv, make one specific to one or two streets, that will be kosher.

    You can’t make a kosher eiruv in CH because too many places are reshus harabim or otherwise not acceptable for inclusion in an eiruv. Some d’orayta, some d’rabanan, but the entire discussion is stupid.

    to #22
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    to #22

    You are correct…the same thing was with the IVF procedure which the Rebbe was adamantly against it back in the day when it was not as advanced..however today hundreds of Chabad couples, myself included have done it. Their are mashgichos and many more advances when doing the IVF procedures.

    To #33
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    To #33

    But the fact is that no eiruv is kosher or useful if it has a reshus harabim running straight through it. At the very least, 770 and Eastern Parkway are reshus harabim d’orayta, and there’s nothing you can really do about that. If you want an eiruv, make one specific to one or two streets, that will be kosher. Right – people live in CH because it’s where they were born and raised, and it’s where their families live. Also WIC helps young couples out, also it’s convenient to live in a big Lubavitch area. Also there are big rabbanim… Read more »

    To #44
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    To #44

    No. It is not permissible

    Thank you # 22
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    Thank you # 22

    For valid reasons, old-school Lubavitch, is still clinging on to delusion and denial. The fact is, Torah was, and always is, subject to timely interpretation. The real problem in Lubavitch today, lies in the lack of respected leadership.

    if you want it, build it
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    if you want it, build it

    If there’s a group that wants it, then he group should go ahead and build it. It’s all public property. The people who want it should just go ahead and start doing it.

    #22 &  47 medical advances vs halacha
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    #22 & 47 medical advances vs halacha

    I don’t have an opinion on the eruv either way. But suggesting that the rebbe’s change in opinion about a modern (and perhaps risky) medical procedure once it becomes more stable (and safer) would therefore indicate that the rebbe would change his opinion on a long standing straightforward halachic issue, is a huge stretch to say the least…

    Well  done ✔
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    Well done ✔

    Kol Hakavod! Very nice!

    14 years
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    14 years

    I am living 14 years in a town where there is an Eruv
    We don’t use it . ( Lubavitcher families)
    It helps many people who has different standards to live a happy Shabbos life and also many people are keeping Shabbos that without Eruv would be impossible
    Maybe it would be good in CH for the Jewish yuppies that are moving in as a starting point in Iddishkait
    There are many more new peopple living in CH , that an Eruv would be very beneficial for them
    You don’t have to use it ,
    It doesn’t have to be for Lubavitchers

    some young couples don't have a choice
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    some young couples don't have a choice

    stop with the move comment. such a comment isn’t showing understanding and sympathy to your fellow Jews. it’s very selfish and self centered.

    an Eruv would do wonders for this community. great idea and is actually encouraged by Halacha – IM FOR IT AND FULLY SUPPORTING AS DO HUNDREDS LIKE ME. YES, IT’S FINALLY HAPPENING!

    Before you talk about chutzpah
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    Before you talk about chutzpah

    It’s very nice of you to pass judgement and take a hard stance when you live in somewhere Florida and not in CH There will always going to be those who will side with a status quo and won’t advocate for any change regardless if it’s really an issue of pure halachic opinion or just politics Being a rov is not all about always saying things are pirhibited, being a rov means working hard to find ways to allow certain things based on halachah and research of halachah As many here stated, the need is to build the Eruv and… Read more »

    #32
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    #32

    You sounds like a terrorist.
    You sound like you don’t care about halacha .
    Why don’t you then carry without an eruv?
    It’s all the same to u. Vulgar language and threats. Don’t sound kosher at all.

    confused bt
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    confused bt

    I live in an Eiruv and I love having an Eiruv but I wholeheartedly believe that ch should never have an Eiruv for the sole reason that the rebbe said so.
    I just don’t understand why happened to this community that I was so attracted to when I first became religious. I found Chabad one year after the rebbes passing, where lubavitchers followed his way, when shluchim were the real deal and there was no hypocrisy. Now that I have children I realize how lucky I was to have such great role models, but my kids aren’t as lucky.

    to 32 and 21
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    to 32 and 21

    We are Lubavitcher / Chabad chasidim that go according to the psokim of the Alter Rebbe. Looks like you did not learn the halochos in the AR SA neither went trough the kuntres of Rabbi Levin where he clearly states that the AR shita is that the condition is that a street that is wider then 16 amos (25.20 ft) is consider reshus harabim and the 600k is not mentioned in gemora and we should not makil on it especially when all the streets in CH are wider then 16 amos and then an eiruv will not help. Other poskim… Read more »

    to #'s 21 29 32 35 36
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    to #'s 21 29 32 35 36

    #21 rabbi levin disagrees with them, but more so he claims his opinion according to the alter rebbe. do they claim so also? #29 mister shwartz claims to hold the mantle of intelectual honesty. which is why he misquoted the rebbes letter, and then left out the end. here is a snippet you never saw: Thirdly and this too is an essential point in my position. The opinion expressed in the first conditional paragraph, namely, that where an eiruv is permissible according to the din it should be instituted, is based of course on the general principle indicated above. However,… Read more »

    focus on the positive!
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    focus on the positive!

    Think about all the brachos,and how lucky we are to live in the rebees shchunah!

    There's no reshus harabim
    Guest
    There's no reshus harabim

    The 5 Towns has their eruv, which is 100% kosher and checked every week, going through an expressway, which is just a tad busier than your Eastern Parkway.

    To 48
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    To 48

    Not sure where wic comes into the picture. Wic is not exclusive to ch, or even ny. It’s nationwide.

    I think people have a hard time focusing on their kids. Going out is a way for the moms to interact with other moms to still their boredom at having to care for their kids.
    Just a thought.

    Eruv Map Brooklyn major throughways bigger then easter prkw
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    Eruv Map Brooklyn major throughways bigger then easter prkw

    If you look at the Brooklyn eruv map, covering every larger jewish community in Brooklyn you see major througways like Ocean Prkw and many others that have much more traffic then Eastern Prkw, how to they do it?https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?hl=en_US&mid=1VLdHiyP0wgl5KO5i_HEiKe2IDvA

    To #52
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    To #52

    The Rebbe never provided a strictly Halachik response to the eruv matter. The Rebbe’s alleged opposition (based on how one interprets what the Rebbe meant) was based on more practical reasons. Practical reasons are certainly subject to change with time. So yes, this is indeed very much comparible to medical matters, where the Rebbe’s stance was based on prectical time-bound matters. Using the phrase “The Rebbe was against it” has no meaning unless you can prove that the Rebbe was against it for everyone, and for all times and places. How about we focus on the thousands of things the… Read more »

    to #25
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    to #25

    not nice calling #19 a tush..and if you went to OT I can understand the spelling mistake. Please use spell check!

    Signed
    A col reader daily for incredible reads.

    To #22
    Guest
    To #22

    Medical science changed. Not even the same lenses.. yet it’s still questionable..

    Did Erev science change? 🙂

    Question:
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    Question:

    How many more people would keep shabbos in doval florida if they wouldn’t have the sin to wheel the babies to shul or maybe they drive anyways or maybe there is an Erev there too? Do you invite guess to your home Friday night knowing they will drive? Knowing they may live more then walking distance? Or do you invite people to shul for a minyan knowing they will drive? Is carrying with an halacha erev worse?

    Regarding the mothers
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    Regarding the mothers

    For all of you commenting that it’s fine for the mothers to be locked up indoors, have you spoken to ANY of these women?
    I can guarantee that they would LOVE to be able to escape their personal cage for 25 hours. Men, try staying indoors, in a very small space, with YOUR children for 25 hours, knowing that outside others are walking and enjoying themselves.
    Only then can you see what a Shabbos in CH feels like to hundreds,

    To #32
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    To #32

    What chutzpa!! Putting down rabbanim like that! Where’s your respect?! Saying “yechi hamelech and moshiach now” definitely does not fit at the end of your comment. I understand that it is very hard to not have an eiruv. A little tip for walking with toddlers: make them a cheerio necklace to keep them occupied and walking until you get to your destination.

    #62 is 5 towns eruv according to Alter Rebbe?
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    #62 is 5 towns eruv according to Alter Rebbe?

    Just asking.

    What is worse?
    Guest
    What is worse?

    Having people drive to shul when you know they are not walking distance so you can have a minyan or carrying in an allowed erev?

    Built
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    Built

    Looks like an eiruv will be built.

    Move to Monsey
    Guest
    Move to Monsey

    We have a great community and an Eruv, no need to stay in overpriced and dirty crown Heights.

    #71
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    #71

    Obviously not, but with all of the fuss about ‘reshus harabim’ and comparing CH to Boro Park, it must be said that there is no basic halachic reason to make a kosher eruv.
    Will it be ‘good enough’ for some? Obviously not. Is it kosher? Sure.

    Built
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    Built

    Looks like an eiruv will be built.

    TO ALL THOSE WHO WANT AN EREV
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    TO ALL THOSE WHO WANT AN EREV

    One can see from both articles and all the comments what type of person you are. Every rabbi knows that when someone asks him a question, you can see if he is interested in what halochah says or he is already set on doing what he wants but he just asks for “permission” first. The same applies here. To all those who want an erev, one can see from the way you write your comments that you want what you want and you just try to fit it in with halocha. And then there are those who first look at… Read more »

    Kan Tziva Hashem es haBracha
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    Kan Tziva Hashem es haBracha

    Why all of these comments? Very simply ask the Rabbonim of Crown Heights to decide this. That is exactly what Rabbonim are for.

    I would shudder to think what Crown Heights would look like on Shabbos if there were an eruv. It would lose so much kedusha.

    Btw way I have lived here more than 32 years and raised our family here. I never once yearned for an eruv. If I wanted to go out on Shabbos my husband watched the children. Noone is a “prisoner” from a lack of am eruv.

    2 types
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    2 types

    There are (broadly speaking) 2 types of people living in Crown Heights: 1. Those who care about what the Rebbe opinion. They will never be seen in public without a sheitel, they won’t touch their beards, they will dress tzniusly (with their elbows and knees covered at all times (this is pure halacha by the way, not just the Rebbe’s opinion), they will oppose an eiruv in Crown Heights and learn to enjoy life without one, just as they enjoy life without gebroks on pesach, without going indoors when it rains on succos, on their long walk to tahalucha, etc.… Read more »

    To those who say if you don't want it don't use it
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    To those who say if you don't want it don't use it

    You are totally missing the point. The Rebbe doesn’t want there to even BE one. So there shouldn’t be one. Plain and simple.

    Women dont need to be victims... Shul is not 25 hrs long
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    Women dont need to be victims... Shul is not 25 hrs long

    Why in the world are women lockef up for 25 hours. Are their husbands out for the entire shabbos? Yes there is mincha maariv, and shacharis to attend, but there are many more hours to a shabbos. Are thw husband unable to stay home with their own children for a few hours so their wife can go out in the afternoon to a shiur or meet with friends…

    Just do it
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    Just do it

    build it for those that want it, dont use it if you dont believe in it, its a free country, no one should impose their opinion one way or another.

    Sheves Achim Gam Yochad
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    Sheves Achim Gam Yochad

    I would like to suggest a win win soulution… Our shchuna is in desparate need of a couple of Takonois prior to deal with the Eiruv issue. 1) All farbreingens and drinking parties Friday night should be prohibited legamre. This is not a Minhag of Chassidim but of Poirkei oil that causes major Sholom Bayis problems Veain lehaarich bedovor haposhut. 2)Going to Shul Shabbos 11;oo and then social drinking or stam dibuk chaveirim with litsonois and coming home 3 oclock or later and expecting to find a wife besimche is asking way to much. 3) ishun koilel all types samemonim… Read more »

    Name?
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    Name?

    Why are people getting worked up?
    This is not a SERIOUS DEBATE.

    NAME A CHABAD ROV, who supports this?
    NAME A MASHPIA?

    Name even a serious person or askan?

    This has no serious backing from anyone respectable….
    RELAX…….

    UNTIL WE DONT SEE PEOPLE WITH -NAMES- BACKING THIS INITIATIVE, RABONIM, MASHPIIM, ANYONE SERIOUS, THERE IS NO NEED TO TAKE THIS SERIOULSY.
    STAM TALK. MEANWHILE.

    Absolutely
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    Absolutely

    I agree 100%. Thank you for speaking up.

    It's a free country
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    It's a free country

    And therefore those you feel that there shouldn’t be an eruv, and know it’s against the Rebbe’s wishes and halacha, should do what they can to make sure it doesn’t happen. Hey! it’s a free country. so stop those that want to desecrate the community.

    Citizen Berel
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    Citizen Berel

    It’s not stam talk, sadly, but I”m told the infrastructure is all but complete and the pirtza is very soon upon us. How we handle this is perhaps the greatest challenge we’ve faced since 3 tammuz. There is true unanimity amongst Chabad rabbonim with respect to this issue and very soon this will all be published, after which point we will have clear kisvu lochem al keren hashor that you have no cheleck in Chabad moment. But we need to handle this in the right way lest we tear the community apart. Perhaps the best thing right now we can… Read more »

    The Eruv isn't for the typical ch mother with her children
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    The Eruv isn't for the typical ch mother with her children

    The rebbe definitely did not want an Eruv in ch mostly because he didn’t want people to forget about the Malacha of carying on shabbos. if the only reason people want an Eruv is for woman and children to go shul and visit friends and family then it would make sense to say that an Eruv should not be allowed because this reason was here when the rebbe said no originally However the reason why crown heights does need an Eruv is because there are so many people that are carrying even though there isn’t an Eruv which will eventually… Read more »

    To 79
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    To 79

    An alternate result is type1s children will be turned off Yiddishkiet due to the radical lifestyle of their parents and type 2 children will continue identifying as jewish due to their parents showing there is a way to remain “chabad” without being like type 1

    Horav Moshe Feinshstein Zatazl's Psak
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    Horav Moshe Feinshstein Zatazl's Psak

    Horav Moshe Feinshstein Zatazl’s gave a very famous well documented psak regarding Eruv in NYC and Los Angeles and he ruled that both cities the entire city is a Rshus Horabin Deoraysa. The Rebbe respected Horav Moshe Zatzal and Rav Moshe respected the Rebbe there is the famous letter from the Rebbe to Rav Moshe which is printed in Igros Moshe regarding Rabenu Tam’s Tefillin and after he received the letter he starting putting on Rabenu Tams Tefillin in any case this Psak was very powerful and there is no question that NYC & Los Angeles are Reshus Horabim Deoraysa… Read more »

    Your talking about chutzpah
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    Your talking about chutzpah

    You said that for the most part the rebbe was careful what’s the most part

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    to 89

    Type two isn’t Chabad. There is chasidus and darchei hachasidus and we have neither and value neither but value oilom hazeh and balance then you are a reikim shebochem mileim mitzvos karimon. This eruv thing is a different ball game entirely though because the Rebbe many times shot down the idea and because it would bring to chilul shabbos and when you want to put one up in the Rebbe Schuna because you care so so much about the women in the strollers are waging a war against the Rebbe and you aint Chabad.

    Sholom Ber Cohen
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    Sholom Ber Cohen

    #90
    The Psak of Rav Moshe Zecher Livrocho is not as open and closed as you write.
    I have heard differently from both his esteemed sons.

    To 79
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    To 79

    An alternate result is type1s children will be turned off Yiddishkiet due to the radical lifestyle of their parents and type 2 children will continue identifying as jewish due to their parents showing there is a way to remain “chabad” without being like type 1

    controversial shtush
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    controversial shtush

    so controversial? – wow – make an eruv and whomever does NOT need/want to use it just won’t.
    Those do will/want will appreciate having it.

    Whats the rocket science here?

    Question
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    Question

    If a lack of an erev is the reason women stay home on Shabbas – are they (we) all out on yomim Tovim that are not Shabbas???

    Rav
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    Rav

    This is for a rav to decide . Also in miami there is an erev
    Do you use it ?

    ask yourself.....
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    ask yourself.....

    is this about what you want…..or what G-d wants…..(to follow rabanim and rebbeim)….and why were you created,,,to do what He wants…so although it may be hard,,,be creative and find ways to actually enjoy interacting with your very own very dear family.

    I live in Melbourne
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    I live in Melbourne

    I remember when we received the answer from the Rebbe that a publicized eruv in a city like ours will be a ‘takalah ayuma’ . Indeed, prophetic words!
    We have seen many people carrying where there is no eruv at all. When told that they shouldn’t carry there, they inevitably answer: “only people who don’t keep the eruv can’t carry.” or “my minhag is that we can carry”!
    And within the eruv you can see whole families cruising up to shul on their scooters. Not that it is assur but…..

    Friend
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    Friend

    Very well-said.
    I just don’t get the relevance of siting all the amenities an Eruv would bring to Crown Heights.
    There’s one bottom line – Halachically permitted or not? End of story.

    #1
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    #1

    It’s not about your personal opinion at all–that’s the whole point! Halacha has parameters. Period.

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    To 94

    Unfortunately 79 is right. Walk into any jewish school around and see for yourself which kids are excited to daven and learn, and which kids….even at 3 yes old already see it as a painful burden which they have no interest in….don’t fool yourselves …ur kids absorb and adopt ur attitudes- if u r not really happy and loving the chassidishe lifestyle but ‘need’ to luv it cuz ur forced…ur practically unfortunately setting up ur kids for failure. And u just need to look around and see that 🙁 R u raising ur kids with the idea that there is… Read more »

    Good points
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    Good points

    Your right. I have been to a chabad house where the parking lot is closed . Others have members drive from far. some do not ask a rav and do what they feel is correct bec they are a Shliach they make their own rules . The rebbe said no erev. The rebbe also gave guidelines to shluchim. Mixed seating at Shurim and during eicha on tisha b,AV and woman singing at mixed kiddushim. how about missed seating during reading the Megillah?what did the rebbe say about that ? Better to have an erev so those who would carry anywase… Read more »

    HEAVEN HELP US!!!!!!!!!
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    HEAVEN HELP US!!!!!!!!!

    how very very very sad, to see this generation of young mothers who have children but feel like they’re being punished by having to spend shabbos at home with them! and that shabbos can not be enjoyed unless they can go galvinating on the streets (most of the time, dressed like “koorvehs”). How terribly sad! I raised K”H a large family of beautiful Chasidishe children and NEVER felt trapped on shabbos. If I felt the need to go out for a break my husband would stay home in the afternoon, and on occasion if we were invited out for a… Read more »

    It's not the Eruv, it's the hate
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    It's not the Eruv, it's the hate

    How low have we gotten that we need to use hate and violence if you disagree with someone. Especially in sfira. I can guarantee that the rebbe would have never used and agreed for his chossidim to use such hate and violence.
    If you do not want to use it, do not, I probably will not as well. But you will gain nothing from this hate.

    #30
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    #30

    Who gives you the right to tell someone to move, if they want an eruv, to each their own, and its not that easy to get up and move

    Thank you Rabbi Levin
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    Thank you Rabbi Levin

    BH
    Very interesting, clear and insightful article. Spent time reading the whole thing!!! It’s clear that there’s no way to make a kosher eiruv in CH

    It's the yiddishe home
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    It's the yiddishe home

    The problem is that parents don’t know how to stay home during the week, especially with young children. Women are not obligated to go to shul. The question is why aren’t women happy at home?
    As for those who say people are already carrying on Shabbos, r”l, it is written that before Moshiach, the greatest challenges will be Shabbos observance and the laws of tznius..

    Since Gimmel Tammuz
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    Since Gimmel Tammuz

    How many people care what the Rebbe says? B”H we do, but a significant number don’t. The key to every controversy (& there are too many to count) is: if this was pre-Gimmel Tammuz, what would have been? We all know the answer. The reasoning is irrelevant. The point is, nobody in CH would have thought twice about negating anything the Rebbe said (except one “educator” who famously said “The Rebbe is misinformed.”) Why is anything different today? The answer is really simple: because many people (& most have money &/or “names”) have decided that the New Lubavitch is the… Read more »

    Isreal
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    Isreal

    Here in Isreal we have an erev! Maybe rabbi b can write on the topic of inviting people to shul on shabbos when you know they will drive and what the rebbe says on this ?

    LMHC
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    LMHC

    thanks for working at keeping up the standards of crown heights al pi halacha

    What about women who have no family ???
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    What about women who have no family ???

    As a young mother in CH many years ago, I used to feel very lonely and stifled in my apartment all day. It’s very different when you can move into your parents or in laws house to enjoy shabbos. When you are an out-of-towner, with no immediate family, you can feel very isolated on shabbos. CH has many wonderful qualities as a community, but one negative in my opinion, is that it is a clannish community. People like to associate with family and not necessarily with reach out to befriend other people in the community. An eiruv would encourage more… Read more »

    please donate for eruv
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    please donate for eruv
    To #109
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    To #109

    You are stating the obvious. True, most people would not do certain things or behave a certain way if the Rebbe were around b’gashmius. However, we need to live within the realm of reality, and accept that because the Rebbe is not with us b’gashmius, people WILL behave differently. The key is to determine what the Rebbe would want right now that he’s not here b’gashmius. Would the Rebbe want an army of martyrs to attack anyone who goes against his wishes, or would he want us to accept that there are people that are not up to our standards,… Read more »

    To  #114
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    To #114

    Indeed you seem to no little about The Rebbe. He is an extreme kanoi (zealot) and never compromises Torah values. Consider his position on general studies for children,teddy bears,birth control,land for peace,tznius at 3 years and a day,etc.etc.etc.

    Other Eruvin
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    Other Eruvin

    The attitude on this board demonstrates that many are uninformed. Has anyone ever thought of why is it that in almost all areas where Chabad shluchim operate they are involved in the local eruv? Has anyone thought about that Kfar Chabad and all Chabad bungalow colonies have eruvin? This fact just proves that some of the arguments made here are naresh and possibly apikorsis. To claim that an eruv will lower the standers of the community is heresy and kneged Chazal.

    Rabbi Levin
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    Rabbi Levin

    I will b”n debunk most of what Rabbi Levin claims in the name of the Alter Rebbe.

    As a side note, someone mentioned previously a very good point that sort of debases Rabbi Levin’s thesis. How is it that the Rebbe would have allowed a hidden eruv if according to Rabbi Levin it would not be allowed al pi the Sulchan Aruch Harav. There is a lot more to the story that Rabbi Levin omitted.

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    to 116

    You hit the nail on the head — the supporters of the eruv here are the frum ones. You will see that the woman who push the strollers on the shabbosim will have the sheitlach and the mid-calfs while the kerchif mommas will look down in desdain.

    Eruv lemaan Hashem!

    Promise.

    simcha
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    simcha

    so proud of you avremel

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    To 117

    Seems clear, the rebbei stressed several times in his letters, sometimes the eiruc is not in a proper manner, so do not think about making a eiruv, but if it is by a the responsible rabbi, then do it secretly.

    TONUMBER 32 & COMPANY
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    TONUMBER 32 & COMPANY

    There’s an old expression “it takes one, to know one”! you sound like the biggest thug around, talking with total disrespect for Rabbonim. The Rabbonim were ALWAYS respected by the Rebbe and therefore should be respected even by thugs like you (even if you sign with Yechi Hamelech) If you really and trully felt that the Rebbe is Yechi you might follow his d’rochim starting with respect for Rabonim. I have my own personal grievances with some of the Rabonim but never theless treat them with respect. You can bring all the brilliant arguments from this one and that one,… Read more »

    To #115
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    To #115

    Your response is a bunch of malarkey. The Rebbe’s sheer range of flexibility (within Halacha) on various matters is what differentiates Chabad from all other sects of Judaism. Allow me to debunk your examples: 1. General studies for children. The Rebbe established Oholei Torah for Limudei Kodesh. The Rebbe never demanded that other schools do away with Limudei Chol. 2. Teddy bears. This was a hora’ah across the board for all Jews? I mean, if you walk into a Lubavitch household and see a teddy bear, would you accuse them of treason? 3. Birth control. The Rebbe was against family… Read more »

    Construction vs. use of an Eiruv.
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    Construction vs. use of an Eiruv.

    The Rebbe’s response regarding the Eiruv in Melbourne quoted in #38 brought earlier, is regarding the construction of an Eiruv and NOT regarding the use of the Eiruv. So all those with the suggestion and questions: “why not just make an Eiruv and whoever wants it or needs it will use it, and whoever wants to be Machmir don’t use it”: You are missing the point and mixing up two very separate and distinct issues, the Rebbe OPPOSED the CONSTRUCTION of an Eiruv in Crown Heights. If an Eiruv goes up against the Rebbe’s will, using it is entirely a… Read more »

    be smart
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    be smart

    If any of the Rabbonim of the CH Beis Din approves the Eruv, then is going to be official Lubavitch Eruv in CH
    If the Eruv is not supported by the Rabbonim, it is going to be a non Lubavitch Eruv in CH
    it will depend if you are bound by the BD authority or not if you can use it

    Donate to the Eruv Fund here
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    Donate to the Eruv Fund here
    To # 122
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    To # 122

    Exactly, and well said!
    People want it to be pre-1994, and for good reason, but alas it is not. Change is hard, but happens with time.

    to 22
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    to 22

    1st of all the rebbe only told certain people not to have THE REBBE SAID CLEARLY A DIFFERENT RULING so no kidding it is different
    and about what you said after if you do not keep all the horaas you can not keep any!??!! so why do you go on mivtzoim they do not keep all the mitzvos
    in short you want to just justify GOING AGAINST THE REBBE CLEARLY IN HIS SHCHUNAH really shocked

    EIRUV
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    EIRUV

    DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE EXPLANATION OF THE

    LETTER OF THE FRIERDIKER REBBE CHELEK YUD

    PAGE327.

    cold winter
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    cold winter

    To 127 please provide proof to what you said

    THE ANTI SEMITES WILL SHOOT DOWN THE ERUV!!!!!!!
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    THE ANTI SEMITES WILL SHOOT DOWN THE ERUV!!!!!!!

    IT IS A BAD IDEA TO HAVE AN ERUV. THERE ARE TOO MANY BLACK ANTI SEMITES WHO WILL GET MAD AND SHOOT IT DOWN ON SHABBOS AND PEOPLE WILL CARRY ON SHABBOS. I’M NOT BEING RACIST BUT IT IS TRUE.

    crown heightser
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    crown heightser

    Regarding women being stuck in the house- plenty of women go out of the house shabbos afternoon to a shiur or friend if husband or older children are home they watch little ones. Others who can’t, have company visit them at home.
    Even if halachicly it is permissible the question that needs to be asked is where it leads you in yiddishkeit and avodas Hashem? Will it help you grow spiritually or will the next thing ppl will ask is to put timers on tvs, would that be halachicly permissible and yet still be anti kedushas shabbos?

    Dovber Schwartz
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    Dovber Schwartz

    I wrote my article to start a conversation. There’s been a lot written, most of it just opinions with no sourcing so let’s focus on what we actually know. After much ado, here is what we know (versus what you may think or feel). HALACHICALLY Rabbi Osdoba seems to hold that it is halachically possible to erect an eruv here in Crown Heights. The other two members of the communities beis din seem to hold that there are serious complications but that it is possible (unclear from their letter) yet nothing can be done without their involvement. We have a… Read more »

    The eiruv is 100% posul
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    The eiruv is 100% posul

    It is as if there was no eiruv at all, but even worse, it is misleading. People who hear “there is an eiruv” will be caused to carry on Shabbos, so this leads people into aveiros. Those who do not yet keep Shabbos will likely do more than carrying, so the so-called eiruv won’t prevent them from being mechalel Shabbos.
    So the argument so many people repeat “if you don’t hold by it, don’t carry” doesn’t work at all. The posul eiruv is not a problem for the people who don’t carry, it is a problem for the people who do.

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