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Is a Shidduch Photo Actually Wise

Op-Ed: A picture is worth a thousand words? Not when it comes to shidduchim and there's more than one reason for that. Full Story

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Yup
August 9, 2018 2:24 pm

Not to brag or anything,but Baruch hashem I was bentched with looks. Obviously I try not to flaunt it or anything, but it’s there. The only thing is, I’m incredibly unphotogenic. Every angle makes me look unflattering and not so nice. Point is, the amount of rejections I’ve gotten because of my photogenicy is sad. People shouldn’t base off of looks – especially not a picture which doesn’t even show the truth.

Interesting
August 9, 2018 2:19 pm

You have some very valid points. From personal experience though, I can tell you that I met my wife because of a picture. My mother – she should be gezunt – was looking at pictures that my sister took of camp. One of the fellow counselors caught my mother’s eye because of her eidelkeit and chain that shone through even a picture. Baruch hashem, we have been happily married for a bunch of years Baruch hashem.

To 47
August 9, 2018 10:15 am

Dear Rambam Yid, How are YOU familiar With Magazines?! And You Are talking About Pritzus?! Loi yistakeil Derech Znus – is shaichus by a Date More then By Picturs!! It means very simple: What is Your interest, And What are You Looking For – but it has nothing to do AT ALL with pictures or Not Pictures!!! Maybe we should do like Satmar Does: That The Parents From Both Sides Decide the Shiduch – and the bochur and the girl just meet ONES in the dining room for a short while – and not alone!!!…

Pritzus
August 8, 2018 12:10 am

To send boys a catalogue/menu of profiles together with pictures of girls to decide which looks prettiest is actually borderline pritzus. Although it is important to be attracted, the boy can decide that at the time he meets. Even regarding that the Rambam says,”lo yistakel derch znus…” So first a boy (or preferably his parents) should be sent the information. Then after choosing the most suitable in terms of charachter, his parents (or him if he feels he must) can request a photo if absolutely needed before meeting. But to choose between photos first is not too much better than… Read more »

to 45
August 7, 2018 4:42 pm

Sorry for you that your wife is not photogenic, But that’s not a reason to close off pictures…

My wife is not photegenic
August 7, 2018 12:34 pm

at all. 🙁 But beautiful in real life.

Pictures!
August 7, 2018 3:20 am

If you base your decision to go out with a girl/boy based on a photo, then we are no different to any other dating, boy sees girl (or vice versa) he likes the look of and decides he wants to go out with her. Before photos became a thing, you may have met a boy/girl who, if you had seen a photo, would never have gone out with, but find you had such a great time with him/her that you agree to meet again and find that you look past your ideal look. What we have now is obviously not… Read more »

Yes!!!
August 6, 2018 11:40 pm

How I wish the Chabad community would make this the norm!!

To number 40
August 6, 2018 12:46 pm

You are obviously unaware of basic halala wich encourages the boy to see it the women is attractive in his eyes: see for example rambam hilchos isurei bia and more… please don’t make invalid or untrue claims in the sake of charidus

Pictures are NOT the person
August 6, 2018 10:39 am

2 1/2 points: 1. Not everyone is photogenic 2. A good picture is most often misleading 3. After seeing the picture, the profile is ignored People will miss out on a really good shidduch by basing their descision on the picture. People most always post a picture that doesn’t portray what they really look like. (and vice versa, people post the most awful pictures thinking, they must post a picture). After seeing the picture? The (sucker) will ignore vital points of the profile (or all of it) and end up wasting everyones time persuing a fantasy picture painted by the… Read more »

depends WHO sees the photo
August 6, 2018 3:02 am

If its the parents, its very helpful. We have a problem in Chabad that the parents don’t meet the prospective before their child does, as is done in other hareidi circles. And then our poor child has to desperately relate to his parents what the date was like to get the benefit of their wisdom. Sometimes when they cant make up their mind, the parent says ok so I will meet him/her for you. This should have been done first. At least now we have the picture so the parent can see how they choose to represent themselves. It is… Read more »

Pictures YES, Videos And Skype NO,
August 6, 2018 1:41 am

Because pictures give a certain Amount of information, but they don’t start attracting a person and make a Person Lose his head and his free choice. And videos and Skype Are The opposite! all Dow they give an amount of information, and More Than Pictures, but they still are not even close to the amount of information and recognition that a person gets while going out on a date. But it’s fools a person to think as he would’ve gotten the full information and recognition and feeling almost as he would’ve gone out on a date, and it is Totally… Read more »

Like a meat market
August 6, 2018 12:21 am

Perhaps the real problem with shidduchim is the way people think they’re in a store choosing a piece of meat. Which one looks better, is more lean,better cut…… not only is it not tznius, I am sure it is a significant contributing factor to the Shidduch crisis. I don’t think a video clip is any better. Put in effort to do your homework, find out about him/her and then if you choose to do so, give them real “time of day” to see if this could work for you. If you can’t do this, you’re probably not ready to get… Read more »

Interesting
August 5, 2018 11:56 pm

I am a male and I remember in shidduchim I did not feel comfortable looking at pictures of girls. I asked shadchonim/os that if they would forward anything to please remove any pictures. However, many girls wanted a picture of me and I did not want to provide one. I remember in one instance a girl refused to move forward without one and I asked Horav Osdoba shlita and he told me to “put on my fancy bowtie and say cheese” and to go get married. Ironically, that particular young woman who wanted a picture actually refused to go out… Read more »

...............Why not a one minute video clip?
August 5, 2018 9:16 pm

A ONE MINUTE VIDEO CLIP can tell a whole lot more then anplain cold dry picture can. A A ONE MINUTE VIDEO CLIP Can definitely represent a persons personality way more then a still photo A ONE MINUTE VIDEO CLIP can totally be the solution to this problem because we get to see who the people really are by them expressing themselves a bit. They say who they are. Using first names only so as not to be judges by their last name (opening the perimeters a bit wider, less filtering). And they don’t say their age. Again allowing more… Read more »

Pictures show only one angle
August 5, 2018 8:56 pm

When sending a picute of yourself, to you its just yourself. To someone else who doesn’t know you, you may be giving off an impression based on that specific facial expression which doesn’t necessarily represent you. It’s just one moment snapped.

Well, I think every resume should come with a video! Wouldn’t that save us time??

Pictures can definitely hurt a shidduch suggestion
August 5, 2018 8:28 pm

Pictures can be frustrating because it’s not uncommon for the other side just to look at a picture and dismiss the entire suggestion. Many people are not open minded enough to look past it.

Grateful
August 5, 2018 8:08 pm

If I had seen a picture of my husband, I would never have gone out with him. Red curly hair and pale skin was so not my thing. 54 years,later my gray hair hunky husband is still the best. Kids today are dumb and have no idea what’s important.

Pictures are truthful
August 5, 2018 4:41 pm

If the only problems are, that the girls are dressed up by the pictures, and that some are not photogenic, so the solution is very simple: 1) tel the girls not to dress up for the pictures, 2) to have more than one picture – so you begin seeing more the truth. But why to run away from pictures completely – doesn’t it sound untruthful?… the girls dress up when they go out too!… The boys also dress up when they go out, don’t they?… so maybe they shouldn’t meet up for dates either?!… and the shadchonim should easily sell… Read more »

Number 3
August 5, 2018 2:30 pm

Shadchans are doing a mitzvah that they aren’t required to do. It’s a chesed. You remarks are unjustified and down right cruel. It only makes people reading it feel less unlikely to do this. You be surprised how many singles don’t follow with the shadchan

History is proof
August 5, 2018 1:06 pm

When we didn’t have photos part of the “resume”, we didn’t have a shidduch crisis like today. Pictures are obviously not being helpful to the situation…

Photogenic
August 5, 2018 12:00 pm

So true ,I know some very pretty girls that are not photogenic, people must be open minded ….You could say no because of the picture but if you actually saw her would say yes

future tense
August 5, 2018 10:05 am

they should share pictures of how they will look 20 years later
a much better indicator

ch resident
August 5, 2018 9:23 am

Don’t mean to bash but if i refuse to send a picture of my child in shidduchim then the person looking into my child will find a picture probably on social media etc. This is y i think that if asked for a picture better to give one that i know what it is instead of them finding one elsewhere. Anther issue i have is if i offer you a shidduch and u ask for the facebook profile and i say that person doesn’t have facebook, automatically the answer is not interested..Why does social media have to be a factor… Read more »

Social media
August 5, 2018 9:07 am

Nobody needs to ask for a picture anymore. Pictures of everybody are all Facebook and Instagram. Also – it’s 2018. It’s not helpful to write articles advocating we go back in time.

Passport photos
August 5, 2018 8:51 am

Make a standard for the pictures. I suggest passport or driver’s license photos, it’ll only get better from there.

glad there were no pictures when I dated
August 5, 2018 8:32 am

I for one would not have even gone out with my husband if I saw his picture. I am happily married

money
August 5, 2018 8:24 am

as a bochur in the dating process where every date is a large cost both money and emotionally – it would be a waste of energy and money to go meet a girl who i find unattractive

i wonder if Rabbi Goldberg with all his theories would like to help pay for it all

To 5 and 6
August 5, 2018 7:53 am

You are clearly two guys, or maybe one, who are very much single (and not by choice). Your stupidity and ignorance shines.

Pictures are for the wedding not the shidduch
August 5, 2018 6:54 am

Young men and women are not meat at the butcher. You can’t see a persons middos in a picture. Many happily married couples would never have gotten married if it was dependent on a picture. Lets talk to the couple and set them up because they appear matim.

Was better without picture or resume
August 5, 2018 4:08 am

Was much better before without pictures or resumes.
We just met and got to know each other without preconcieved idea.
We all managed to get married!
With pics and resumes so many potential good shidduchim are lost.
Now the emphasis is on looks and externals not pnimius.
With resumes for a job a succesful one is tailored to each job with certain things emphasized that is not looked for in another job. So too each shidduch would really need a seperate tailored resume.
This is not the best way and causes a shidduch crisis

A voice of reason
August 5, 2018 2:57 am

Finally!! A breath of fresh air….. rabbi Goldberg ,you are making true and valid observations. Our Shidduch system has not gotten any better since the introduction of pictures. Bochurim that have pictures of girls on their phones,to peruse at their leisure,will. Ot be able to focus on anything else. Sometimes a mother wants to see a picture to get a general idea ,and especially if he Shidduch is a long distance one,that could prove helpful in some cases….but to make it a standard that a guy won’t meet a girl unless he sees and approves of a picture first…..??? Something… Read more »

Not in the parsha
August 5, 2018 1:35 am

I met a lovely vibrant young woman who I thought would be a good match for my friend’s son. I asked for her resume and forwarded it to my friend, not realizing that there was an awful photo attached! The boy was very upset that I suggested a girl “10 years older than him”. He was 24, she was 22, but really did look like a 34yr old in that photo. Photos can be deceiving. You may not be interested in a girl with flaming red hair, or curly black locks, but she’s going to cover her hair anyway. Meet… Read more »

Only use pictures if expensive flight is involved
August 5, 2018 1:26 am

You often judge people completely wrong from just 1 picture. Even in person until you’ve spoken the judgement is often off.
Only use pictures when the pros outweigh the cons.

Whole Person Approach
August 5, 2018 1:14 am

Thank you Rabbi Goldberg for the straightforward and necessary words. I couldn’t agree more! I once went out with someone who really wasn’t attractive based on the photo… The shadchan was surprised when I gave it a go-ahead because of that. In person, hearing the way the person spoke and the content of what was said, the person became attractive. A profile describes only parts of a person. A few words to describe one, and his photo cannot possibly encapsulate the complexity that is a person. Only once you meet a person can you get a feel for the energy… Read more »

Practically...
August 5, 2018 12:01 am

What are you suggesting?

Agree with article, but not subject/title
August 4, 2018 11:51 pm

The contents of the article is sound. But it shouldn’t lead to the elimination of pictures in resumes. Perhaps the article could/should be used to help shed the proper light on HOW the picture should be viewed and how to interpret it. In that regard, this article is very useful. Jmho

Only one side of a photo....
August 4, 2018 11:21 pm

Just putting this out there, but there are other reasons to see a picture. Just recognizing whom you are picking up is one….

Just say no
August 4, 2018 10:37 pm

If someone says no because the picture it probably wouldn’t work out anyways

thanks but.....
August 4, 2018 10:13 pm

The pictures are the least of the problems. Start looking at what the potential boy/girl posts on line on social media. It is often a real eye opener & can be tremendously helpful in viewing how people choose to show their true colors.
Maybe we need to reevaluate the entire process

Josh
August 4, 2018 10:01 pm

BS”D It seems to me that it all starts with a picture, irregardless if it is ones best pose, how much difference could there be between the pic and realty in an up to date pic

Thank ya
August 4, 2018 9:45 pm

Thank you Rabbi Goldstein for your inspirational outlook on shidduchim

Brush your shoulders off
August 4, 2018 9:22 pm

If someone decides not to date someone because of a picture I think the person in the picture is actually dodging the bullet

Wow
August 4, 2018 8:48 pm

Thank you rabbi Goldstein,your words of wisdom and deep sense of sensitivity,help me in my search for my basshert,I hope all can gain from your advice!
Thank you!!

CH Homeowner
August 4, 2018 8:47 pm

Rabbi Goldberg, very wise words. Thank you.

Very true
August 4, 2018 7:08 pm

personally i find a picture only good to a get a general idea, so I know if it’s worth while, but for sure not the main reason to say yes or no, rather I find it a way to save in meeting someone you know for sure wouldn’t work out, and to give you a better idea for a possible match, regardless of the above mentioned this does not apply to everyone as well, for some it makes it easier for some confusing.

Not realistic
August 4, 2018 1:05 pm

The logic is flawed, people don’t show up on dates in their pyjamas, they come dressed up, made up etc.
the fact is that pictures have become part of the profile process, it’s just the way it is
a picture is not just about looks
You can see a lot from a picture, even the picture chosen says a lot
Maybe you can work with people to have the confidence to put their picture out there

Bad advice!
August 4, 2018 11:39 am

Hey, not to make an official response etc. yet to disagree with this article, and any other one claiming to state “rules” in the proces of dating. THERE ARE NO RULES! that perhaps is the greatest rule in shiduchem. each person has their way to approach candidate. A shadchan even a mshpia or how ever you unqualified people call yourself, remember what your job is, simply to provide names or information on to the boy or girl no ingenious advice necessary! There is no corse or trading a shadchan has or needs its their personal biased advice. Which is not… Read more »

Chana Rachel Schusterman, Shidduchim Counselor
August 3, 2018 8:23 pm

So well said and so true.

Shkoach Rabbi Goldberg
August 3, 2018 8:22 pm

A true inspiration and a man who has a head on his shoulders

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