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    From the COLlive inbox: "A woman I barely know come over to me in shul and expressed her sincere wish to 'support' me." Full Story

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    so true
    Guest
    so true

    unfortunately

    oy if only
    Guest
    oy if only

    people would not only not make assumptions on things they hear, but also not believe negative gossip they hear, as required of a Frum Jew!!
    Oh – how much better the world would be!!

    Well said
    Guest
    Well said

    All your aveiros were forgiven by this. Your brachos if you’re insulted can also be very powerful – remember to bless yourself too. May you have besuros tovos quickly.

    Fact or Fiction
    Guest
    Fact or Fiction

    How about making a practice of using the following phrases:
    “I don’t really know”
    “It’s none of my business”
    “I don’t want to hear about it”
    “Do I really need to know this?”
    “Do you have proof?”
    ” Is there a purpose in my knowing?”
    “Is it a fact or an assumption?”
    ” I wouldn’t want anyone to say such things about me, would you?”

    “How can you know? Were you there?”
    There is a thought provoking poster that I once saw that says:Great minds talk about ideas, medium minds talk about things, small minds talk about people!

    Too true
    Guest
    Too true

    A similar thing happened to me. But the person didn’t come directly to me. I later confronted her. I was livid. And even though, those who knew me knew it was ridiculous, what about the people who didn’t and believed it. It is a terrible thing and it doesn’t penetrate how awful it is still it happens to you.

    So sorry
    Guest
    So sorry

    Would love to support you.

    Berel
    Guest
    Berel

    if a tree falls in a forest but nobody hears it…Boruch Hashem, vashrei doreinu that we now have op-ed thingys so that no falling tree goes unheard

    Jack
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    Jack

    BS”D Don’t understand the writers retort to the lady who approached her in Shul, seemingly with good intentions, for that matter do not understand the need to be upset and write an article over a innocent mistake, unfortunately there are bigger issues in ones life as the writer of the original article is experiencing

    to #8 Jack
    Guest
    to #8 Jack

    Innocent mistake? making up your own dumb unverified assumptions about someone else? and then even acting on it?

    One can only imagine the other parts of her life story

    Same here!
    Guest
    Same here!

    I once received a phone call from a friend “I hope you wrote in to the Rebbe about it” I was like, what? “yes, in this situation, you should write in”. I asked what are you talking about? they answer “I read your article” I had no clue what they were talking about.

    Turns out they read a post on some group and just figured it was me…

    It was really annoying, really really annoying and so wrong on so many levels

    moshe der g
    Guest
    moshe der g

    i can only tell the writer
    PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH
    here is a quote from your article
    “that is the grapevine of small, crowded communities.”
    please don’t badmouth any whole communities
    today with internet and with social media and facebook, whatsapp there are no small communities
    a rumor spreads throughout the world in seconds

    may hashem bless you in all that you need and want

    To #11
    Guest
    To #11

    The writer did not write crown heights, the editor decided to insert a location.

    i am that person
    Guest
    i am that person

    I am really disappointed that she felt this way. I thought we communicated very well. You seemed interested in the help I had to offer. You kept the conversation going to clarify the help I had in mind. Now that I see the article, I know that your defensiveness was way deeper than I realized. about the misunderstanding. But this is hurtful to someone who did make an innocent mistake with the best intentions. It saddens me that you harbor all this negativity. Hopefully I apologized, I know I tried to assure you of that no proof was not needed.… Read more »

    plus
    Guest
    plus

    i asked you if you were open to hearing what I had to say re: shidduchim. You said yes. I have a giving nature. I will be more careful for sure, but this will not stop from giving to people.

    Can be extremely hurtful
    Guest
    Can be extremely hurtful

    Someone once made a terrible (false!) assumption about my family situation, and out of “caring” spread the false rumor all over the community trying to find out if it was true. It was a horrible position to be in and almost impossible to dissipate. Please be very very careful before making assumptions and only act if approached by the person looking for help. It can really cause much pain.

    yes.
    Guest
    yes.

    got it. sincerely apologize for any pain caused. (lesson learned)

    #13 No one meant to mislead you
    Guest
    #13 No one meant to mislead you

    Sometimes a person can conduct a conversation on ‘autopilot’ while they try to process the shock of something they just heard and figure out how they should react. Particularly when it is a with an acquaintance they barely know and a portrayal of instinctive feelings is not proper. It’s obvious that the writer was not trying to ‘mislead’ you in writing this article, in fact maybe she felt deceived by your automatic assumption! This is no ‘rant’ or quest for revenge and no one was damaged by it, just a sincere attempt to prevent future such misunderstandings in a sensitive,… Read more »

    Laughter is the best medicine
    Guest
    Laughter is the best medicine

    This can also be seen in a different light- humorous. Best maybe to laugh it off in good humour together? We are all human and humans make mistakes. She is a good person and you are a good person. Maybe don’t take it so seriously,

    To #13
    Guest
    To #13

    Easy tip for life: Don’t offer favors if it required an unpleasant (and possibly not true) assumption.

    Berel
    Guest
    Berel

    Wow
    healthy people can get over things
    this is called going nuclear

    Please nobody stop trying to help people for fear of a snowflake meltdown

    Definition of helping
    Guest
    Definition of helping

    Helping people is just that, it’s about the other person. If you are going to HELP do so. If it’s about you you’ll end up hurting.

    to #20 just wondering
    Guest
    to #20 just wondering

    How is letting someone know that they believe the worst about her without having asked a single question first.. helping? Some new dictionaries needed to define that word.

    I think this article was unnecessary and I sympathize with # 13
    Guest
    I think this article was unnecessary and I sympathize with # 13

    Also can you understand how hurtful all this might be, to the young woman who wrote the original article, to which this person so strongly objects to have been mistaken for. I guess nothing has really changed, in so far, as attitudes go towards people with mental challenges, that are trying to lead normal healthy lives. There’s a very negative bend to most of this. Sorry, all the best and good luck to you!

    #13 / #23
    Guest
    #13 / #23

    I hope a little thought will soften your harsh view of me. Now about your comment#13: I respectfully beg to differ: Agreeing readily to hear what I expected to be a few nuggets of wisdom from a friendly lady does not equal being ‘very interested in getting help from you’. You read something, made an assumption and thought you were going on an errand of mercy. I had no idea of what you were thinking and thought you were a sweet lady it would be fun to chat with! A case of crossed lines (which one day may be funny).… Read more »

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