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I Didn’t Vaccinate My Kids. Here’s What Happened

As a young mother, Shayna Eliav didn’t vaccinate her children. Now, as a registered nurse who felt the effects first hand, she shares another opinion. Full Story

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It's simple
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It's simple

Vaccinate your kids not because you want to get them in school. Do it because it’s the right choice! Benefit’s far outweigh any risks and it saves lives. Not vaccinating does not save lives, it does the opposite.

Go vaccines, wisely!
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Go vaccines, wisely!

Being Jewish gives us the strength in believing things that the majority of the world doesn’t. Being open minded to ideas that are not accepted in many other circles. The world having only 5779 years or.. we are the chosen people. Our good deeds can influence how things go in our lifes, Israel is our land given to our our patriarchs. Basically it seems like we don’t to rely on other people’s mind while asked why we believe, or why we explain most of our values in a logical way. When it comes to a topic like vaccines, many people… Read more »

You are missing the boat friend
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You are missing the boat friend

Thank GOD for vaccines. You have NEVER been exposed to POLIO, and you should count your blessing. Probably never had whopping cough, tetanus, diphtheria, and probably never measles either. WHY? ’cause your parents listened and you were vaccinated! Walk a mile in the shoes of someone who was afflicted with one of those dread diseases,then talk. Oh wait, you’d be dead from one for sure (tetanus probably diphtheria also), paralyzes from one for sure (polio), and might have lifelong repercussions from two (measles and whopping cough). Are there risks associated with vaccines? Yes, they spell it out in the literature… Read more »

Your revelation
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Your revelation

You should read the article by Dr. Thomson from the C.D.C. turned whistleblower who could no-longer live with conscience and came forward explaining how they manipulated the data by removing an entire segment of patients who developed Autistic Spectrum Disease with onset of symptoms within one week of receiving M.M.R..By excluding the kids with Autism it wasn`t difficult to skew the data in the direction showing no connection -his words not mine. And that’s the “landmark” article printed in the Journal “Pediatrics”.

Refuah lifnei haMacka
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Refuah lifnei haMacka

Torah says the refuah for every ill was created Before the ill.

Vaccines use the actual illness as a treatment and therefore do not conform to the Torah proscription that the cure was created first, before the illness -ergo vaccines are not the correct approach to address measels etc from a Torah outlook.

Chan
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Chan

That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard in my life. This is such a silly argument that is so easily disproven and so pretentious of you to decide what the Torah view is on vaccines.

Great logic
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Great logic

Never thought of it that way – but your logic definitely makes sense.

Vaccination
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Vaccination

I totally agree with the view that it is selfish and egotistical not to vaccinate. I WAS vaccinated but that was so long ago that when there was a whooping cough outbreak in my neighborhood I had the misfortune to catch the disease. It was debilitating! Every night I died a few times. Each morning I ‘d say ‘modah ani’ with such kavana because I knew what it felt like to stop breathing! (You are contageous for weeks before the disease manifests itself.) We have the opportunity to protect ourselves and with that save other people’s lives (I’d hate to… Read more »

Parental Choice
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Parental Choice

It is not appropriate for anyone else to be a party to any medical intervencions except the parents of the child! It is the parents who bear the responsibility of those choices, what ever the out come is!

Nebuch
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Nebuch

Nope. It’s the kids who get sick who bear the consequences.

Your revelation
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Your revelation

They get sick from the vaccination. But the doctors who document it get defunded and lose their licenses. Why did Merck refuse to shut-down their M.M.R. Program as a result of losing Every vaccine-injury lawsuit ! So what did the Government do ? They exempted Merck from damage liability and created a Tax-Funded $ 2 Billion Vaccination Injury Compensation Fund.

Stay home and pls do not use Shul at Tishrej
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Stay home and pls do not use Shul at Tishrej

If you can’t live isolated – pls vaccinate

Really?
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Really?

Whatever the outcome? So what you’re saying is that if your child is not vaccinated and he gets the measles and then passes it on to a baby who does, that has nothing to do with anyone but yourself? It’s people like you who have blood on their hands

Suffering
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Suffering

This is a liability free product that has NEVER been evaluated for reproductive harm, carcinogencity or mutagencity. It says so right in the inserts! All of which are rampant in highly vaccinated societies! These conditions cause tremendous suffering to children and their families as well. Can you prove that vaccinated children are healthier than unvaccinated?

Re: Really?
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Re: Really?

What about the people who do get vaccinated and end up with measles as a side effect of the vaccine? Do they also have blood on their hands?

Really?
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Really?

Show me someone who this happened to

Re; Re; Really
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Re; Re; Really

There are always people who the vaccine can not help. They are an anomaly not the norm. Who can you actually say ended with the measles as a result of the vaccine? The vaccine is either a weakened strain or a dead virus. Know the facts

It affects EVERYONE!
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It affects EVERYONE!

Parents should NOT have the option to make a decision or choice that can affect (in a DEADLY way) the general public. This is not something that ONLY their children will suffer from (such as the HPV vaccine). To refuse the MMR exposes everyone to a debilitating, if not deadly, disease. There is a reason that the entire medical, scientific and rabbinical community AGREE that, with the exception of medically necessary exemptions, EVERYONE should be vaccinated!

Laws
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Laws

You are correct that parents have choices but that doesn’t mean it’s legal. A parent can decide not to have their child wear a seatbelt but can have legal actions do to it. People have the right to make poor decisions but there are legal consequences. Society isn’t a free for all.

PMRoss, M D
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PMRoss, M D

Ever hear of herd immunity? There is no excuse for the tears of one suffering child!

Rights???
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Rights???

Your rights stop at my feet, when it affects me, my family and my community!

Glad you see the light now
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Glad you see the light now

It takes strength to admit that you’ve changed your mind however I don’t think this post will change anyone’s mind. Like yourself the only way you saw the light was when it affected your life, you only saw the error of your ways when faced with the repercussions of your choices. Additionally you’ll never really know if that cab driver was infected by this as well. This is such a hot topic item and people are pretty staunch in their positions. Just wish as a community we could have more empathy and think about how are choices affect everyone and… Read more »

Who did he catch measles from that you ran for MMR
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Who did he catch measles from that you ran for MMR

Doesnt add up. He either was exposed to someone or got a vaccine reaction of measles. Read the insert.

Definitely was exposed
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Definitely was exposed

There was an outbreak in Israel- first in Yerushayim, then in other areas, including Tsfas. I was writing under the assumption that this was a well-known fact.

Israel is known for measles outbreak
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Israel is known for measles outbreak

Interesting if she and her family in CH got extra care and full vaccinations. Because she states that only little one has vaccines and oldest are not …

Read above
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Read above

She said that he went to get it in Israel
But it was too late because he was already exposed before he got the vaccine

Very good point
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Very good point

He may have had a vaccine reaction. Did anyone else in yeshiva have measles that he could have caught it from? Did anyone else catch measles from him? I am also a nurse and dont have an opinion either way about vaccination. But this sounds like he had a vaccine reaction. I had a reaction to hepatitis B vaccine and am not allowed to get another shot of it on doctors orders. Some vaccines can cause allergic reactions as happened with me

OP responds
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OP responds

There were several boys in the yeshiva with measles at that time. A few were hospitalized. I did some research on whether one can actually get the measles from the MMR. What I found is that one can get mild, measles-like symptoms, but not full-blown measles. Case studies have had rashes and fever, but as far as I was able to find, not the whole syndrome with Koplik spots, cough, vomiting, etc… without blood samples, it’s impossible to prove it… then again, technically it’s impossible to prove that he even had the measles. But with exposure and his symptom profile… Read more »

Agree
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Agree

Sounds like he came down with the measles from the vaccine.

Read again!
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Read again!

…and yes, I told him to go get vaccinated—which he did—but it was too late. The MMR takes about 2 weeks to create antibodies, and the disease take about 10-12 days to incubate, so when he broke out a week after the shot, it was clear that he had been exposed before he ever got the shot…

Not necessarily
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Not necessarily

It’s quite common that ppl have come down with the measles a week after the shot even when there was no outbreak around making it clear that it was from the shot. Numbers are not always as exact as we’d like to believe..

You know how many times?
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You know how many times?

You know how many times people tell me their 12m olds get either a fever or a RASH 1 week post MMR? Often! Measles CAN be contracted from the vaccine. If nobody else in the Yeshiva got the measles then I find it hard to believe it was from exposure to someone with measles. It doesnt add up.

Why wasnt he vaccinated if you are pro vaccines?
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Why wasnt he vaccinated if you are pro vaccines?

What I dont understand either is, if you made the decision to vaccinate your kids, what happened that the older ones were assumed ok? Those who dont vaccinate dont assume their kids wont get sick or contract measles, rather learn how to recognize and take care if a situation arises + lots of immune boosting especially at times of outbreak.. It doesnt really sound like you made an informed move when you chose to vaccinate. For you it might be a great choice as long as you are comfortable with it but how did you decided what was ok and… Read more »

Lol
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Lol

Lol a fever and rash is a typical reaction to the vaccine and isn’t harmful and is in no way the measles virus. That’s ridiculous. Please have some common sense and maybe don’t assume you have any more medical knowledge than a medical professional because you googled something

Inaccurate
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Inaccurate

“with this new law in place, you can still delay your child’s vaccines a bit, space them out” That is inaccurate! The law allows ONE year for the child to “catch up” on every single vaccine that’s mandated for their age, For example a 1st grader A 6yr old who has never been vaccinated, prior for school enterence would need to be “caught up” with a schedule that is normally spread out over 0-6 years! This aggressive schedule has never been safety tested . NYS school children will be the first of its kind to do so in this country.… Read more »

Informed consent with Peditrica
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Informed consent with Peditrica

Most parents want the flexibility to make the vaccination decisions with their pediatricians, rather than be subjected to a goverment mandated schedule.

Dear Anti- Vaxxers :
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Dear Anti- Vaxxers :

You have the right to chose what is best for your family , however you don’t have the right to impose what is good for a community, schools etc..I think you should live isolated or in anti vaxxers community , is very selfish for you to expose kids, adults to lethal diseases just because you are part of a movement that has some casualties on their record, you mean well but you are misinformed and please wake up or leave others alone..

Explain
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Explain

Please explain how exactly a parent who declines the flu shot for their 6 month old baby or the Gardisol vaccine for their pre teen is “imposing on the community” or why it is appropriate to recommend they live “isolated”
This is the CDC schedule that Physicans are encouraged to recommend to their ALL their patients. The former now being law mandated for day care enterence in NY.

Re: Dear anti vaxer
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Re: Dear anti vaxer

Please explain how it’s selfish for healthy kids to expose other to disease they don’t have?

What about all the kids walking around sent to school with fevers and sick with strep? Or kids with lice or kids with pinworms sent to school to spread and expose all their goodies to other kids? Should they also live isolated?

Dear Anti- Vaxxers :
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Dear Anti- Vaxxers :

What a silly comment, lice is not good but your kid will be fine , however your kids with polio, measles or others will be destroyed

Huh?
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Huh?

Simple. It’s not. Kids with strep or or lice or anything else that’s contagious should stay home until they aren’t contagious anymore. And kids who aren’t vaccinated should stay home till they are vaccinated.

Thank you
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Thank you

Thank you for your bravery in writing this really important article. Although I an not an anti vaxer, this just convinced me how seriously important it is to Get Vacinated!
Thank you again, much nachas

wow
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wow

im amazed at your humility…. your ability to rethink a decision you were so staunch about, and share that with us. it is very admirable and truly selfless!

Hepatitis B
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Hepatitis B

What is the demographics of these patients under your care who were infected with Hepatitis B? Do these particular patients justify the Hep B vaccine being a gatekeeper for childcare of babies or the education of a school aged child of all NYS residents? Because this is what the law entails! Do these patients justify a baby with no risk factor being injected with a liability free product that carries 250mcg of aluminum being injected into their developing brain . There are documented medical cases all over the world of severe neurological injury and even death of these infants. Isn’t… Read more »

Whatever
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Whatever

You know there is a period of time after the vaccine that can cause a person to get the disease they are being vaccinated for right?
Also are you really sure that you are the reason others don’t vax? Some people educate themselves…

Educated
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Educated

What does that mean some people educate themselves? Are you suggesting some people do their own research and find things out that scientists and medical professionals and researchers don’t know? Or do you mean some people educate themselves by enrolling in a school aNd learning science?

How about
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How about

How about an article from someone who is an ex-vaxxer with the same title: I vaccinated my kid and here’s what happened.

Thank you!!
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Thank you!!

This is a breath of fresh air, thank you for taking the time to share your experiences and sound advise

So brave!
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So brave!

Public discourse has become so juvenile and simplistic on almost every topic: gun control, vaccines, immigration, etc. Thank you, Shayna, for bringing nuance and perspective to the mix. You told it like it is: life is not a risk-free endeavor. Vaccines are like seatbelts. You do your best; Hashem does the rest!

Clarify about the shingles
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Clarify about the shingles

From what I understand if u actually get the chicken pox you are immune for life including shingles etc. While with the vaccine there is higher chances of bigger problems down the line.
So why should anyone force me to make such a choice??

Chicken pox exposure results in shingles later on.
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Chicken pox exposure results in shingles later on.

That is incorrect. Shingles are a result of chicken pox exposure. The virus can stay dormant in your nervous system and reactivate causing symptoms of shingles.

Inaccurate
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Inaccurate

There other way around. If you get the actual chicken pox you’re able to get shingles

shingles
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shingles

its actually good for those who had natural CP to re-expose themselves every so often to ward off shingles.

Another former anti vaxxer
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Another former anti vaxxer

You can only get the shingles of you have had chickenpox. True the vaccine doesn’t last forever, but you can get a booster as an adult. And since chicken pox doesn’t go around much anymore (because vaccines do work after all) , if someone isn’t vaccinated and gets chicken pox as a pregnant woman… Oy vey. I live abroad in shlichus in a developing country. Imagine me having to catch up on all the childhood behind as an adult in order to be able to safely live here. My kids receive shots every time we travel to NY (kinus, etc).… Read more »

Hodu La'shem
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Hodu La'shem

It’s the other way. If you had the chicken pox years later it can come back as shingles. The vaccine will prevent chicken pox AND shingles. I had chicken pox as a child, but they won’t give me the shingles vaccine until I’m 50. (I asked for the vaccine, offered to pay out of pocket, they said, “no. It’s not reccomended yet.” I said my sister got shingles and she’s younger than me. They said, “Still not.” I guess the anti-vaxxers are wrong. My doctor doesn’t only care about money.)

Administrator
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Administrator

I had chicken pox but I know too many older people who also had and got shingles Take a chance no way. Shingles vax and now shingrix. Anti vaxxers abuse their children. No school no camp. Resentful children are at risk. Home schooling is against the law unless you register with local school Dept and have lesson plans. The parents who want to start their own school become a school and then must vaccinate. They’ll get caught. What seminary or yeshiva will accept them. Who would make a Shidduch Fools who will learn the hard way. Meanwhile innocent kids suffer

shingles as result of CP
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shingles as result of CP

Thats because it used to be that people would get CP all the time so the adults around would get ‘boosters’ but now since its not common, unless you re-expose urself, you are at higher risk of developing shingles.

Shingles facts
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Shingles facts

Shingles is a form of chicken pox. The chicken pox virus hides out in nerve cells and can reappear years later as shingles. Shingles can be spread to others and it causes chicken pox. Having chicken pox doesnt make you immune to shingles but rather can cause shingles years later

Mrs Eliav
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Mrs Eliav

The educational and medical choices you made for YOUR child at the time were just that, YOURS. They didn’t arrive via goverment mandates or outside opinions deeming what is “right” for your family.

true however
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true however

If we did the right things in the first place the government wouldn’t be getting involved.

Genetic Mutation
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Genetic Mutation

Thank you so much for sharing your story! I recently found out that my family is affected by the MTHFR genetic mutation. I have heard that this makes the likelihood of vaccine injury higher. Do you know if there have been any studies on people with the mutation that show whether the risk is higher or not? I hear it is a very common mutation and while some people say vaccines are safe even for those with MTHFR, I would feel much better seeing the study. Thanks!

Mandates allow no "spacing out"
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Mandates allow no "spacing out"

Parents cannot delay, space out or decline any ONE of the 13 mandated vaccines on the current schedule and could encompass more in the future , as there is NYS legislation to mandate the Gardisol and flu Vaccine, which many adults decline! Are these truly lifesaving and necessary vaccines? Has our Yeshivas not managed for decades without them? Its time to use the critical thinking skills Hashem gave us.

Gardisol and flu vaccines can be problems
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Gardisol and flu vaccines can be problems

Flu vaccine i was told not to take because of egg allergy. Gardisol is known to cause many reactions and not needed if observing halacha of intimacy before marriage

Thank you
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Thank you

Thank you Shayna for sharing this

Two sides of the coin
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Two sides of the coin

While I have always vaccinated my children I did so with caution. When I once discussed with my doctor (a Rofeh Yedid) about a certain vaccine he told me , You Lubavitchers are different. Your children travel all over the world and get exposure to many things. It is important for your community to vaccinate.)

Open public discourse
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Open public discourse

I once had a discussion with Rabbi Ariel Rav noy z’l if shiduchim should be tested for STD.

When I went to a close friend, lubavitch urologist for issues, he asked if I had ever had an STD, bh no but it takes courage to address this.

Appeared to be?
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Appeared to be?

“appeared to have been damaged or killed by vaccines” Correction they WERE damaged, in some cases severely by vaccination. There is over 4 billion dollars to date in compensation paid to those families.
Where there is risk there must be A choice!

Why DOE = Bad/wrong. DOH = Right/helpful ?!?
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Why DOE = Bad/wrong. DOH = Right/helpful ?!?

Why are we fighting and not agreeing to the deportment of education on what they are forcing us to learn, according to what politicians and all educational professionals in USA agree is very important for us all as Americans (herd immunity). And when it comes to the SAME POLITICIANS who say to vaccinate we agree blindly? Interestingly – both “gezeros” (forcing what to learn and to kick the unvaccinated out of school) are happening at the same time. Our rabonim are agreeing to and fighting for “parents choice” on education, but strongly fighting against “parents choice” on vaccinations. Maybe if… Read more »

Brilliant!
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Brilliant!

So true!

Physicans for Informed Consent
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Physicans for Informed Consent

Not every Medical professional agrees with the narrative the author presents. Many of these people have many more years of working experience than her and are brave enough to to be speaking out on the other side of this issue

Drsforvaax.org
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Drsforvaax.org

I guess 500+ frum physicians doesn’t count as the majority opinion. They must all be paid off by pharma.
http://drsforvaax.org/

A shlucha from L.A.
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A shlucha from L.A.

It’s very stressful and upsetting that there are SO many people out there in OUR community that refuse to vaccinate!!!! They are outright only thinking about themsleves. It’s so selfish to not vaccinate, and put so many innocent Jewish lives in danger. It’s the biggest lack of ahavas yisroel!! Here in L.A. there are so many Lubavitchers that refuse to vaccinate, because they are afraid of autisim. There have been many doctors that disproved the whole theory that the mmr shot causes autism. If it were the case, then everyone vaccinated would get it!! These diseases out there are deadly.… Read more »

Cmon
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Cmon

Any space in your head and heart that some people react differently to certain things than others. It’s like saying peanuts are scientifically proven safe so let’s inject them into every newborn .
Hello…yes we are all different and will react differently to different things even though they may be ‘proven’ safe. And no not everyone wants to take that risk nor should they endanger their own in order to ‘save’ yours

Get your facts straight about shingles!
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Get your facts straight about shingles!

Getting varicella vaccine does not mean that you won’t get shingles! The opposite is true, shingles have increased since the varicella vaccine. Every adult who had chicken pox and gets reexposed to chicken pox gets a 10 year booster against shingles! It’s only now that we basically got rid of chicken pox do we have an increase of shingles. That is one of the reasons that many countries in Europe don’t vaccinate for varicella.

Thanx
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Thanx

I thought so
So much misinformation and blind naivete by the pros

OP responds
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OP responds

It’s not a guarantee. But if you are a responder to the varicella vaccine- which 90% of people are— then it’s highly unlikely that you would get the Shingles, or at the very least, the severity would be significantly decreased. The booster phenomenon is interesting, but it’s not a guarantee either. Besides, who is going to go looking for kids with chicken pox to get boosted every so often?

So important
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So important

Thank you for sharing your story. A very well written, informative article which I hope is taken to heart!

Food for thought....
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Food for thought....

Sounds like some commenters here are unfortunately victims to the wild epidemic called “media brainwashing”
The media has blown this whole vaccine saga WAY out of por portion…untill the point where an uneducated fellow tells her unvaccinated friend “do you not care about the fact that you are walking around and killing people in the streets RIGHT NOW?!?” chill please! Stop letting yourself be brainwashed and go find your opinion for yourself! And stop telling others that they are currently killing helpless humans because we all know that is utter nonsense! Stop preaching the UNVACCINATED. Go get yourself EDUCATED. now.

Couldn't agree more!!
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Couldn't agree more!!

Happens to be a lot of the pro vaxers aren’t as much in to health and eating healthy as most anti vaxers are

You argue about your childrens emotional health
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You argue about your childrens emotional health

Keep in mind that there is such a thing as vaccine injury and CHVSH something were to happen just because you wanted the child in school, it would likely backfire when child got older and understood that you knowingly got him vaccines. You know how some people now are FORCED to vaccinate so they take many precautions and make sure to prepare the body before and detox well to do their best to avoid issues chvsh. You seem to not have had any real reasons not to vaccinate when you were in that category and therefore were able to just… Read more »

OP response
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OP response

I acknowledged the existence of vaccine injury a few times in my article. My point is that I developed a more realistic and mature understanding of the risk/benefit profile of vaccines after both my education and my son’s illness. Like many I was afraid of vaccines. “What if” vaccines cause SIDS/ autism/ neurological impairment/ autoimmune dysfunction? What if this is the explanation for our sick generation? But you can ask that question about a thousand coexisting factors. Until you have data it’s just a “what if.” When I learned to read research there were a lot of times when I… Read more »

Which things?
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Which things?

With things did you try to research and couldn’t find data? What made you want to vaccinate him right then? You had to have known something. Was he exposed to measles and this was what someone said to do, get vaccinated within three days or something? He had measles and was fine just like everyone else. What exactly was the problem that made you decide to vaccinate him? What research can you show me medically to change my opinion? Does it exist? Share links.

Thank You!
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Thank You!

It is refreshing to see some honesty, especially when it contradicts your previous opinion/s, as noble as they seemed at the time. You hit all the points, spot on. You have now helped the community, Jewish People, and civilization at large.
-PH

Shalom Shayna,
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Shalom Shayna,

It is good to hear about your recent life pursuits. I hope it is going well for you. I also appreciate your desire to make reparations for the past. It is not easy to put yourself out there for public purview. Elul is the time for personal stocktaking, so the timing is also most appropriate. I do not generally comment on these posts, but felt it appropriate to at least comment back to you directly. Unfortunately, we didn’t need a Youtube video and our cries to the doctors went unheard. The memory of the visceral pain and agony each shot… Read more »

OP responds
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OP responds

Thank you for your comment. It’s difficult to understand exactly what what happened, but it sounds as though someone in your family had an adverse reaction. As you say, this can happen with any drug. Let’s hope that more research is done which will allow such reactions to become a thing of the past.

Exactly
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Exactly

This is precisely why vaccines should not be mandated.

Here is what your article is missing
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Here is what your article is missing

You clearly state that you did not do your own research. As a midwife you must be well aware of the majority of Drs.opinions Regarding alternative births. Yet you continue to beleive in midwifery and support mother’s right to choose how to birth. Does that choice stop after birth? Your article is full of fear. What if….it accepts the THEORY of herd immunity as fact. It vaguely references vaccine injury, addresses only autism, and completely downplays the documented reactions including paralysis and death. And Hep b?? Even if your newborn wanted to have sex or use drugs it would be… Read more »

OP responds
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OP responds

I’m glad that you bring up the topic of midwifery and “alternative birthing” as you call it (by which I assume you mean out of hospital birth). Both midwifery and out of hospital birth in a selected population have been shown repeatedly to yield good outcomes with superior maternal satisfaction. This is DATA. And data on adverse reactions does not show these outcomes of vaccines that you are mentioning. Rather, the data that I have seen shows overwhelming safety. Please show me your data. I want to see it. As for babies getting Hep B- there are multiple reasons for… Read more »

Here is what your article is missing
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Here is what your article is missing

As a midwife you support women choosing alternative birth plans against most medical opinions. Does that ability to choose stop after birth? Are we no longer responsible to make the best choices for OUR children first?

You state you did not research. Therefore you must not know the documented side effects of vaccines. The court cases that determined autism, paralysis, and death from vaccines.

And hepB given on the day a child is born?? Have you met a baby who needs this? If you have there is a much bigger issue than catching hepatitis!

Why are all vaccines needed now for school?
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Why are all vaccines needed now for school?

All makes sense but some of the vaccines you are saying are for risks that are later in life.
So do children need to get them now for School?

OP responds
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OP responds

Because #1 they have a good immune response when they are young and #2 they do still have some risk as children and #3 this is the mechanism they have for making sure it gets done. This really only refers to Hep B so my advice is to try not to get too caught up on it.

Why do you ignore the rest of vaccines?
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Why do you ignore the rest of vaccines?

They are all needed for school and you vaccinated to send to school so it talks much more than hep b alone.

Children actually don’t have good immune response when babies because of they are nursing, they get antibodies and make the vaccine less effective. I thought you said you researched?!

Neither here nor there
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Neither here nor there

However there is a reason many don’t trust vaccine companies. They can’t be sued. This means they have NO motivation to improve vaccines- (especially since now there’s close to no choice for children to take them or not) and every reason to keep creating more and more and more.

cut off your nose to spite your face?
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cut off your nose to spite your face?

there is huge corruption in many industries– agriculture being one example. Are you going to stop eating?

Questions from a fellow mom?
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Questions from a fellow mom?

Just like you I have my own experiences and education that has led me to my decisions regarding my children’s health. And you know what I’ve learned that once all is said and done. I am my child’s biggest advocate. I know when my child is not well I know when something is wrong even when the doctors can’t pin point and all the test results come back fine. I know when my child is regressing and losing his speech. I also know that bina yeseira nitna leisha. If I have a mother’s intuition that this child is not strong… Read more »

Informed
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Informed

That’s nice that you question doctors and “get informed”. But please realize that doctors and scientists have many many years of schooling where they get informed on facts and science and medicine. Perhaps if you really want to get informed you can study science for many years and then make a calculated decision. You trust a pilot to fly your plane. Trust a doctor with medicine.

Trust doctors but also use seichel.
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Trust doctors but also use seichel.

why has science and medicine become the new God? Science and medicine is always changing. Medicines that used to be recommended to pregnant women were found out to cause birth defects. Science is not absolute. Dr’s also said Tobacco is safe… what’s if the scientist discover in 20 years these vaccines caused more harm than good.
I have a relative who is a scientist she works in creating the flu vaccines each year she said there is not enough time to research the affects….

Wow
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Wow

Thank you for a brave, honest, and telling article. It has to have taken a lot of courage to write that article and I think it gives a lot of people food for thought. It seems not everyone is open to hearing from others, but many people are. Thank you for sharing!

Life is never simple.
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Life is never simple.

I am sure you have heard in your medical studies of something called family history, the reason why is to figure out what is the likelyhood on how something will effect an individual. People have died and had adverse reactions from both the vaccine and the wild strain virus/bacteria. Life rarely gives us clear answers and it becomes a cost/benefit analysis the parents have to make separately for each child and each vaccine.

I fear only God.
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I fear only God.

As a Good fearing Jew, I would rather rely on God than entrust my life or my children’s lives into the hands of scientist’s and doctors and their poison’s. I think that a Jew should have the right to practice his or her religion in Jewish Schools. Don’t blame the government because there are states that allow Exemptions but the private Jewish School does not!

What an eye opener
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What an eye opener

Thank you for sharing!

Anon
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Anon

Amen to your blessings. Thank you for the excellent article

Overreach
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Overreach

You start out criticizing the schools that actually care about chinuch and have kept the two issues separate. One of the online programs is run by an existing cheder and is fantastic. Their curriculum actually focuses on Torah. Then you are honest enough, unlike anyone else on your side, to say that vaccines can have side effects. But you gloss those over, go into every possibility within possibility of what can happen without a vaccine. What about the traumatic, albeit rare, side effects of vaccinating that you mention? I’m not sure what the point of this article is. Trashing good… Read more »

Nothing is black and white
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Nothing is black and white

“….when he broke out a week after the shot, it was clear that he had been exposed before he ever got the shot..” Respectfully, if he broke out with measles one week after the measles shot, common sense says the shot gave him the measles, despite what the “textbooks” say about time it takes for “antibodies to form” There is no evidence for a definite time frame, every person is different. Sounds like med community making excuses for the fact that he got measles from the measles vaccine. I know, since this happened to me with the flu vaccine, got… Read more »

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