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French Police Raid Bussieres Yeshiva; ‘Negligent’ Staff Arrested
French police raided Yeshiva Beth Yossef, an Orthodox Jewish academy in the commune of Bussieres and arrested 16 faculty members over alleged neglect and physical punishment. Dozens of students were taken into state care. Video
French police raided Yeshiva Beth Yossef, an Orthodox Jewish academy in the commune of Bussieres and arrested 16 faculty members over alleged neglect and physical punishment. Dozens of students were taken into state care. Video
Why is negligent in quotations?
So sad bc it’s Frum Jews…
But this place looks awful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qi2nAuddJE
Wow
Why would parents send their kids there. Really weird. Poor kids.
Because the parents don’t realize how bad it is there…. We all do our best for our kids but the pressure to ensure our kids “fit in” with the kehilla when they’re out of the box sadly sees places like this. I know of kids having gone there. Passports were the first thing taken off them and horrific emotional and physical abuse. Very draconian dictatorship that kicks kids straight off the path…. R”l. Klal Yisroel as a whole is responsible for this. Stop rejecting the kids who are not quite the same as the top knobs. Poor kids
Where r the parents?!
Have you been living under a rock to know the media is fake news? I saw the place ! Yes there’s a lot of abandoned building on the property but that is not where the boys lived! This is just so sad!
I lived in one of those buildings for 2 years
And you are right that not all of the buildings in the pictures were used as dorms but the ones that were used were terrible living places especially in the winter
So sad that people like u are using “Fake News” to defend a place like this
My parents took pictures of the dorms that I was sleeping in, if you want pictures from the inside of these buildings I can send you plenty
Why aren’t the parents living there?
Sadly some parents would rather send their kids away to dorms than deal with them,
I’m sure most parents after they took their kids out from the place felt horrible about it
This place had a rule that no one is allowed to come there with their parents, they only wer allowed to come with zaltzman who is their recruiter and another rule is for the first 3 months that a bochur is in the yeshiva his parents are not allowed to come visit him there
Why would anyone send there child to such a school I think these kids should also move out of there house
I’m sure such conditions exist in many fundamentalistic theologies/cultures. Holes in the floor – I remember that in 1414 before it was renovated. Physical abuse. Used to be rampant in many schools, but as far as I know, greatly minimized. Psychological abuse – remains part of the culture. And of course there’s generic abuse – not teaching basic life skills and thinking memorization of taharas hakodesh material is not only sufficient, but superior to learning a language and math and sciences and skills that might empower someone to create money in a way other than fundraising to support a taharas… Read more »
Your bitterness comes through your ‘logical’ sounding words.
Sorry ‘lovely’ but your reply is ugly. Sure the boys should have better accommodations, and should not be abused in any form or fashion. Having said that, I’m curious to learn if you had training which included language math and sciences, along with other skills, and how it empowered you to do what you are now doing? These boys are from Israel, probably picking up French and English, along with Aramaic, broadening their language skills. They are also learning vital life-skills as logic and clear-heading thinking. And while they are probably not learning photosynthesis nor calculus, I’m at a loss… Read more »
Very sad that you don’t appreciate the value of torah in a persons life
Iyh you should live until 120 and I’m sure you will see the value of torah as the ultimate treasure
And that’s always the best way.
Not everything falls under the category of “abuse”. You seem to take the word very lightly. Not teaching students math and other important life skills isn’t considered abuse. If there is physical abuse or emotional abuse, that’s one thing. But it’s not 1414’s job- or a yeshivah’s job, for that matter- to teach this info to their students. When a Bochur signs up to go to a Yeshivah, neither he, nor his parents are expecting the Yeshivah to teach other lemudei chol. And that is NOT a form of abuse.
Finally a well spoken reply. Thank you.
I’m sorry but this sounds like some students getting even with teachers. As a general rule it’s never a good idea to get the state/ government involved. If conditions were that bad why didn’t these American kids go home or tell their friends not to go to this supposedly amazing yeshiva ?!
so you’re the kind of person that blames the victim. So you think the pictures you saw are a normal place for teenagers to live there growing and most important nurturing years of their lives?
Kids who are abused are often unable or scared to tell their parents what’s going on.
And yes, when a child doesn’t feel safe and they don’t have an adult they trust they SHOULD RUN TO THE AUTHORITIES. unless you want abuse of children covered up while “we handle it internally” translated NOT HANDLED
How many frum 15 year old boys do you know who would run to the American embassy, in a foreign country with a foreign language, in order to get even with their teachers?
The parents who allowed their kids to live like this are just as guilty
I guess you believe the media still in 2022 you haven’t learned that the media lies! The pictures are false! These are not where the boys dorm! These are abandoned building on the same property where the yeshiva is!
Are you one who has 1st hand accounts? Have you seen the campus live? I don’t know who is right here but it’s funny you’re saying media lies when your only information is from the media. I’m assuming if you were there you would have said that in your comment and a lot of the other comments who say the opposite of you- they were actually there.
I think your getting carried away, although I personally agree that secular studies are important and a good thing, I think to label the lack of it as “abuse”, is nonesense, in fact I have majority of my fellow classmates as a child who never had any English education at all, and they are very successful in the merit of hard work, ambition, and most likely their sharpened brains from Gemara study, and some times some people don’t have that mazal even if they have all the education, but most importantly the responsibility comes from the home, how parents raise… Read more »
Yesterday, on Reshet Bet radio, a father of a student was interviewed. He said that he had been there many times. His son successfully went through this yeshiva and has since married and has a family.
He said that neither he nor the son had a single bad word to say about the place. Apparently, the complaint was made by some ex-students who were very far off the derech and had an agenda.
Physical conditions do look hazardous.
Your comment saddened me terribly.
When children are loved, taken care of properly (no traumas), and have positive experiences with yiddishkeit, there will rarely be a desire to go off the derech.
These young men’s only agenda would be for justice to be served and to stop further abuse.
It sounds like you need to understand what abuse can cause and develop empathy for our children.
Not sure if you’ll see this by now.
I beg to differ. There are many children, unfortunately who have great upbringings and home lives and they still go off the derech. Usually because they make friends with the wrong people and get sucked in.
Shotei gemurim are blaming the parents. I’m not a parent but I was a bochur. Parents (like you) are completely clueless to the psychological repression kids go through behind yeshiva doors. The hanhala changes the voice when addressing parents and the community at large. Parents don’t side with their kids because they’re kids and the hanhala knows they should turn the tables at their clients: they decide if your child is good enough, they are being kind by accepting your son. But they have no pedagogical skills. They have funding. If parents would stand up for themselves and put schools… Read more »
It may be true that out of town yeshivos have abuse behind the closed doors, without the parents knowing. However, yeshivos with local students, definitely have parents involved and this most DEFINITELY helps with the atmosphere
Agreed 100%. Thank you for writing this so eloquently.
My son currently attends the Yeshiva. He has been there for 9 years. He has done wonderfully there. My wife and I have visited many times. Although it’s not a five-star hotel, it is not as run-down as these pictures showed. And it has actually improved significantly over the last few years. The staff there are literally angels. They give their lives for the students and in no way shape or form abuse them. My son has grown to be quite a respectable man there. The police raid was engineered by a brother of a student who is bored sole… Read more »
No one in their right mind would make these accusations because they are “bored”. Obviously there must be legitimate traumas to cause this young man to become “a bored soul”. I believe the correct expression is a troubled soul.
Where is your empathy?
You are fortunate that your son had positive experiences but that doesn’t mean that you can dismiss someone else’s experiences.
Abusers don’t abuse everyone.
They choose their victims wisely.
Read correctly this is someone’s brother that went to the yeshiva that started this entire investigation! The yeshiva did nothing to him… he had his own personal issues and a traumatic child hood! Unfortunately his pain doesn’t justify the damage he has caused to so many !
everything you say is true i just came home from there
they were angles the pictures are from old unused buildings
it makes me so sad and broken they can say this about the people that SAVED so many boys from the streets to go on and build familys
9 years? I’m sorry for your son.
I think you as parents need some reality check and help…
Don’t forget the first few months or years before your son got brainwashed and he was crying to you over the phone telling you what was going on there and that he doesn’t wanna be there and that they are hurting him etc
Your a selfish parent if you think they way to fix your son’s Yiddishkait is to send them to a cult
Im going to have to 10000% disagree with you. I’ve been there many a time for the 2 years my son was there and then he left because of the living conditions. Although the staff are Pashut maluchim!
Human nature is amazing in its ability to adapt and cope with a lot of things that “regular” people think is basic necessities. I was in a place very similar to this for two years and I came out totally fine. We had rats in the walls, mold holes in the wall and ceiling and it had a odor like a garbage dump and even random people thought it wasn’t that bad because they used to walk in and take a tour and even take some mementos From it. I think it really helped me with my yoddishkeit and prepared… Read more »
I don’t think that just because you had a good chinuch from your parents and Yeshiva doesn’t give them a excuse not to take care of basic hygiene in the dorms and zal!
i was there for the last 2 half years they changed me to a mature ben Torah i NEVER got food out of date i was NEVER HIT or ABUSED I spoke to my parents as much as i wanted i would tell them I’m coming home if any of that were true you need to see how happy and calm and strong we became like a big family do not believe everything you hear and see from some sick mental kid that parents didn’t want home and wanted the yeshiva to keep him till he is changed and ready… Read more »
You need to learn how to speak in English lol.
The place is a CULT Ran by a sick individual that’s been on a power trip for 20 years (Yossi) He even has the rosh yeshiva (Rav Nathan) in his pocket and he tells him what to do and when to do it I’ve visited the place plenty of times I’ve helped a kid escape from there Parents send their kids there because they are told this place will “fix” them But every single kid when they arrive there cry to their parents for months and sometimes years to let them come home The place brainwashes the poor kids They… Read more »
I wish that people on the Jewish community would help stand up for each other. It shouldn’t have to take the government stepping in to rescue. This could have been solved earlier. Why are we so helpless?