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    Drugs Are Threatening Frum Lives

    From the COLlive inbox: It's alarming to keep hearing about our youth in the Tri-State area dead or brain dead from drug overdose. Full Story

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    The root of the problem...
    Guest
    The root of the problem...

    Unhappy teens coming from a broken school system…

    Let’s fix that!!!

    Or broken families
    Guest
    Or broken families

    Kids born to parents who couldn’t care less about them

    SCHOOL
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    SCHOOL

    THE SCHOOLS ARE UPGRADING VERY WELL BUT TO #1 YOU ARE RIGHT THE SCHOOLS WERE REALY BAD AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF TESHUVA THEY MUST DO THEY MESSED UP MANY JEWISH LIVES.

    Naive
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    Naive

    To #2, what an awful thing u have said. U r extremely naive. Those if u who think ‘broken homes’ r naive as well. Young people are dying from perfectly fine families, with parents who care about their children very much!!!!

    Lacking support
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    Lacking support

    Great article! Looking at the root causes for drug use, etc. We need to look at the family, community and school infrastructure. The problem is not only one of recreational drug use, but many times it’s used to self medicate due to trauma from child abuse, family violence and the pressure of the youth to comply with programs that are beyond their abilities (not everyone is capable of learning 24/7 or going on shlicus). Young families are feeling the pressure to live in the community where they are not financially stable to pay for the exorbitant cost of living etc.… Read more »

    48  yr in the hood
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    48 yr in the hood

    To the above post
    Yr So right
    We messed up big time

    Halacha
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    Halacha

    “sifrei musar and chasidus clearly state that intoxicated service to Hashem is prohibited”. True, but most importantly sifrei halacha say it, my friends.

    To #1
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    To #1

    The root of addictions is when life feels unbearable, like traumatic and stressful events, a depressive disorder, not a bad school system, seriously….

    bitachon frum defense
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    bitachon frum defense

    Teach kids to like sport.Bring them to CHJCC new gym.

    Anonymous
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    Anonymous

    Let’s not play the blame game and start taking responsibility for our lives, blaming circumstances instead of having emunah that Hashem put obstacles in a person’s life to make them swim not chas v’shalem drown( in any given substance abuse)

    To #1
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    To #1

    Why always blame the schools? Don’t parents have a big role in raising their children?

    Many students who have attended the same schools that you are referring to are not on drugs. So why the difference? Maybe because they were raised in different homes?

    And btw, class shuls (clubs) have a big part in the recent drug epidemic.

    thank you Dr. Neiman
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    thank you Dr. Neiman

    your article is clear and well written
    and you know what you are saying, with source, etc.

    one question (and i hope you do not think i am one of those who should save their ink)

    what about people in their 80s and 90s who are agitated and miserable due to dementia? they are not driving. they are not working. they are simply climbing the walls in a terrible way, they are suffering and taking their families with them. if marijuana can help them to relax, isn’t it a good thing?

    dangerous article
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    dangerous article

    Dont equate marijuana with the drugs kids are actually overdosing on. It is like the adam chava story. they inevitably try marijuana and read dumb articles like this comparing marijuana to actual dangerous drugs. this is ridiculous. make clear at beginning that no one overdoses on marijuana, and if u consume other drugs like u do marijauna u likely will die. Why can’t u say that marijuana is unhealthy without equating it to other pills, heroine, and cocaine? Do you not see that this is dangerous and dumb? Some studies from three years ago about lost productivity should not have… Read more »

    To number 1 and 2
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    To number 1 and 2

    The root of addiction stems from trauma – either sudden trauma such as death, divorce, molestation, abuse or on going trauma I.e. Bullying, low self esteem and so on.
    Please educate yourself instead of stating it is the school system that creates addiction.
    From someone educated in the field of addiction.

    Yiddishkeit
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    Yiddishkeit

    A great rabbi once told an atheist, ” the G-d that you don’t believe in I don’t either” Yidishkeit gives a feeling of fulfillment and purpose. but not the yidishkeit most of us know of, yidishkeit devoid of understanding, feeling, spirituality and personal connection. That yidishkeit because of it’s false promise of meaning and fulfillment just drives people to look for something to fill that gap, hence drugs, alcohol, shmutz, money etc. Now let me make myself very clear, that is because this is NOT yidishkeit. For a taste of the real stuff I challenge YOU to listen and/or read… Read more »

    #13 should re-read article
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    #13 should re-read article

    You did not read the article. Marijuana can increase the risk of heart attack, arrhythmia etc. It can be a cause of sudden cardiac death.

    Language
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    Language

    “these pot smoking clowns”.

    Something is wrong with calling people clowns. Maybe disillusioned? Ill-informed?

    There are deeper bones to pick ..

    Great article
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    Great article

    For many people, using these drugs often follows the use of strong pain killers, perhaps after Dental treatment, or a minor medical procedure. It’s time for Dr’s to prescribe the pain killers less, and perhaps encourage patients to try and manage the pain, with something less potent, or natural. Today, there are babies given pain killers with the slightest signs of teething. Pain is not fun, but it is part of life. We need to teach our children that at a young age. I’m obviously not talking about serious pain or illness RL.

    Get to the root of the problem
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    Get to the root of the problem

    We have to figure out what the source of the problem is. If our children are not thriving in the “chabad system” we need to look for alternatives that fit them indivicually. We must realize that it is not one size fits all. Also, we need to step up our ahavas yisroel. I have noticed that sometimes the less frum, less conformist kids seem to be nicer and friendlier. We have to teach kids to have ahavas yisroel for all their peers and not try to bully every non comformist into submission.

    Right on
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    Right on

    Thank you Dr. Neiman . Wow , great and to the point. Should post this in every school , library , etc. Straight article , I hope the youth read and re-read. Parents , talk to your kids. Discuss openly. I’m a baal Teshuva from 35 years ago and it ‘s a miracle I have made it through several years in high school and college smoking pot and other junk . after smoking pot for several years later , I started trying other junk. I was one step away of trying a needle when a saw a few people doing… Read more »

    Thank you for coming out with the otherwise very confusing FACTS about Marijuana
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    Thank you for coming out with the otherwise very confusing FACTS about Marijuana

    As this issues has been lately addressed much more out in the open, I would like to thank COL for having an MD and Neurologist give over the straight facts about a subject that many both parents and our children are very confused about. Why are our children both frum and not, under the ‘perception’ that marijuana is a harmless herb and smoke it like its candy. We need more forums like this both on line and out in the open in the community. We MUST address this issue both by giving over the facts and more importantly coming up… Read more »

    The school system
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    The school system

    Folks it isn’t broken. For the ordinary kid it is just fine. But when a kid can’t read for whatever reason it becomes torture. Those failing grades and the teachers who believe the kid could do the work if they wanted to compound. “Good kids” start staying away and kids with issues want to be their friend. Being part of the out-crowd is still friends. And the out-crowd has a uniform and a rule breaking credo that can cause a kid to be kicked out and then it is a never ending spiral down. The parents don’t know what to… Read more »

    guys
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    guys

    listen well, people take drugs when they are depressed mothers whatch ur teens well, if they are depressed take them out just u and them then thei bond will open and it will be really good for them you must do this

    Lots of forms of marijuana
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    Lots of forms of marijuana

    #1: You linked marijuana use to overdosing. You do not overdose on marijuana. #2: You cited marijuana as a problem for minors. Agreed, so is alcohol, which is still legal for adults. #3: You cited the problematic way marijuana affects the brain and body. Agreed, but ‘innocent’ substances like sugar and chemicals do much worse, as well as alcohol. Hmm. Of course, only whatever benefits the government most will get attention. #4: Driving on drugs. True, but also, don’t drink and drive, don’t text and drive, don’t drive when you’re very tired, stressed, etc. #5: Smoking. Many of the physical… Read more »

    The root - Reflections
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    The root - Reflections

    90% of the time people take drugs as a way to escape their feelings of being ” behind” and feeling like a ” loser”. The other 10% take it because they are bored. If A young person ( maybe your own child) feels excited and hopeful about their future, they are less likely to take drugs. I think everyone in this discussion would agree with that. People, I encourage you to gather your strength ( even if your own life is not what you envisioned for yourself) and invest in your children. Sit with them and help them plan a… Read more »

    To #24
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    To #24

    Absolutely brilliant
    Hit the nail on the head

    Reality
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    Reality

    Sorry to sound the reality bell- there are hundreds of boys in our community that are ANGRY and BITTER about graduating a school system with nothing to utilize in the real world.
    Yes they learn critical thinking etc, but in terms of actual skills toventer medical school, engineering school they are starting from first base. After 20 years in the system they ask why??

    Where have you been doctor??
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    Where have you been doctor??

    Mr or rabbi or doctor Neiman, marijuana is NOT a gateway drug. Unlike the cigarettes your kid smokes, to the booze you drink, to the sugar in the Coke your wife drinks, there are actually a lot of benefits to marijuana which you fail to mention. Like anything that can be used in an addictive way, it can be bad for you, but seriously, no one’s ever OD on weed.

    Misleading
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    Misleading

    Fact: no one has ever died from marijuana. More people have died from consuming water than marijuana. Dwi is dwi. Number 24 is spot on. All the young adults that passed away recently were using stronger and dangerous drugs. Also marijuana is not a gateway drug.

    Common ppl
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    Common ppl

    We have to admit that the judasim taught in schools today, is sending the youth away from yiddishkeit. If we don’t see the issue how can we solve the problem? Topping that off, once they do leave the system, they have nothing else left to start up and face the world. No GED, no technical skills, nothing! Can we expect anything else?

    The DEA and FDA are not credible sources!
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    The DEA and FDA are not credible sources!

    You cite illegal opiates as being a drug that stems from Marijuana use, you fail to mention the rampant distribution of synthetic opiates (opioids) which can be easily accessible to anyone who had surgery or has given birth, are you saying because the FDA allows Oxycontin it’s safer than Marijuana?

    to # 24
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    to # 24

    l counted 8 arguments with “but” in hot pursuit…..
    then “people who overdosed are exceptional souls that Hashem wanted to be up there with Him….”
    when l was a child we had a gardener who died from using marijuana over an extended period…
    this article is nothing short of dangerous in its contempt & total flaunting of ignorance of halacha
    it is a perfect case of the website needing to withold certain comments
    people reading this could believe parts that are highly dangerous…
    May we merit protection & Moshiach now

    Bubbe uses CBD legally!
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    Bubbe uses CBD legally!

    I live in Washington State, it is legal medicinally and recreationally. I am a commercial grower for pharmaceutical cannabis use only. I am a user of topical creams for severe arthritis. IT WORKS!! I do not smoke it for the same reason I don’t smoke tobacco. I use Cannabidol for pain mgmt. I am frum. HaShem created many plants to benefit us. Don’t discount legal and appropriate use for chronic pain management!

    we need drug education
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    we need drug education

    Kids in yeshivos think this is cool and ok. ALL yeshivas need cpmprehensive drug education. Who can we speak yo about this to arrange?

    #15
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    #15

    Written very well. I appreciate your comment. Thank you

    Drug education
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    Drug education

    MASK provides Drug education to schools.
    718-758-0400

    Recreational
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    Recreational

    The reason some people use pot is recreational. Maybe communities can explore more healthy , supervised recreational activities for teens to do. A lot of times, teens get turned onto drugs because they need a social life and want to feel accepted by others.

    Is anyone in our community taking care of the drug dealers?
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    Is anyone in our community taking care of the drug dealers?

    Where is the police. ?
    Where is the shmira.?
    Where is the community counsel.?
    Where is national committee.?
    Where is mask organization.?
    Pls do something to send the drug dealers away asap.
    Someone has to clean our community.

    Weed is an organic plant
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    Weed is an organic plant

    Their is not 1 report of weed overdose in history! It is only harmful if excessively used during brain development! Over 25? Smoke as much as u want. Its not becoming legal all over america and the world for no reason.

    kol hakovod
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    kol hakovod

    the article is informative! leave it alone and thank you for taking the time to write.

    To 39 you are selling fake news, here is published fact
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    To 39 you are selling fake news, here is published fact

    Dr. George Sam Wang University of Colorado in paper 2017 found emergency room admissions for pot overdose and pot related psychiatric issues have doubled and quadrupled since legalization and heroin, opium, and cocaine as well are all organic.

    Solution to the problem
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    Solution to the problem

    Drug education for our youth and getting our youths into hobbies like music, sports Jewish scouting etc.. also helps give our kids healthy outlets during time not spent learning. As Chazal says, it is not the mouse that steals but the hole. You fill the hole with activities you have no empty time to get involved with bad things. Throwing children out of schools makes for a very very large hole and our Rebbe never was about kicking kids out of Cheder. A child out of school leads to low self esteem, depression and feelings of worthlessness and drugs are… Read more »

    sad
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    sad

    Don’t blame the parents and the schools, some of these kids that get involve with drugs come from very good families, the kids that get involve with drugs, got to pick better friends

    To #43
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    To #43

    Picking better friends means making better choices, and the best way to make a better choice is to be knowledgeable. That’s why educating people about the truth of marijuana is so important, and that’s why it is so dangerous when people say things like “it’s fine, it’s organic, etc.”

     But alcohol is ok?
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    But alcohol is ok?

    Religious Chabad people are all ways bashing marijuana. But when it comes to alcohol it is ok? How about chabad people who abuse alcohol(A lot more chabad people abuse alcohol more then marijuana). Alcohol kills way more people then marijuana ( marijuana never killed anybody). I’m not trying to say every body should stop drinking alcohol. I’m just everything in moderation’s.

    Frumma Rosenberg Gottlieb : addiction coach
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    Frumma Rosenberg Gottlieb : addiction coach

    I am part of a highly trained team Family Recovery Academy who work with families of addiction online and on the phone . You can be anonymous and receive help daily to be your loved ones best chance at recovery. Email me at [email protected] Com got details

    DH, RN.
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    DH, RN.

    It is important to differentiate between marijuana and other drugs such as meth, opium, LSD, or ecstasy. The effects of cannabis can in no way be compared to the effects of the other drugs mentioned. Grouping them together is misleading.

    To DH, RN. and 45
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    To DH, RN. and 45

    47, if you are a medical professional you are spreading fake news and did not read the facts. Marijuana is the gateway to much harder drugs and the high potency of the modern marijuana high potency marijuana is puts people at risk of developing arrhythmia, myocardial infarction, stroke and sudden death in rare cases. WebMD publishes these facts and WebMD is a source of info and guidance for physicians and nurses worldwide. “Smoking pot can increase your heart rate by as much as two times for up to 3 hours. That’s why some people have a heart attack right after… Read more »

    Exact nature of the problem/ solution
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    Exact nature of the problem/ solution

    Rarely have we seen a person fail, who has thoroughly followed are path (pg 58 alcoholics anonymous) these are the words of the big book of alcoholics anonymous, which introduced recovery through the twelve step process.      Why is recovery failing today? With so many relapses, the rehabs seem  to be revolving doors, we have to ask Is recovery even possible? And what is the problem exactly?        According to the medical field, it is not. Addiction has been  classified  as a chronic relapsing disease , it can only be managed. It is the only way to explain,how despite all… Read more »

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