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Coronavirus Update #37: Several Covid Cases in Crown Heights

Coronavirus update for the Crown Heights community from The Gedaliah Society and Dr. Eli Rosen: There are several new COVID cases in Crown Heights, endangering the welfare of the elderly and vulnerable in our community. Full Story

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Don't come
July 15, 2020 10:48 am

Please please please don’t come to crown heights unless you must come, when you do come please please please please please quarantine for 2 weeks if you can’t do that which is understandable please don’t come to crown heights it’s not fair to the community. Also the rabbonim and doctors have asked that people should not be coming so please listen and be respectful.

tables have turned
Reply to  Don't come
July 15, 2020 11:34 am

It is interesting that so many people are asking not to come but, when Florida asked together with their rabonim not to come for pesach many people from New York including Crown Heights told Florida that you were coming anyways and did come and many people people were sick in Florida and spread the virus to others there. I think an apology is needed to be given to Florida since you all ignored them and are now asking for the same courtesy.

Berel
Reply to  tables have turned
July 15, 2020 3:31 pm

Wow okay…

Crown Heights apologizes to Florida mkay

To tables
Reply to  tables have turned
July 15, 2020 3:54 pm

It’s not the same people, and two wrongs don’t make a right. Both communities have the right to ask people not to travel. Unfortunately, individuals will do as they wish without putting thought into their actions. But it’s safe to assume that those who prefer to be cautious and ask people not to come to NY, are also not travelling outside NY.

Do you own?
Reply to  To tables
July 15, 2020 7:00 pm

Brooklyn,Miami,does not belong to your community.
If it was there will be like isreal only jews in the full crown heights or north Miami beach with no goyeshe neighbors.
You are asking not to come,you are allowed to ask,but no one is obligated to listen to you.

We are not hypocrites
Reply to  tables have turned
July 15, 2020 6:48 pm

Those people who came to Florida pesach,still disagrees with this letter not to come to ch,they hold
You should be allowed to come to ch.

Crown heights did not listen and we went to Florida pessach

And Floridans did not listen and came to crown heights.

The rabbonim and the doctors agreed not to go to another state then.
Its the people of the community that went to Florida.

what???
Reply to  Don't come
July 15, 2020 11:46 am

quarantine? noone who comes to CH from other places quarantines…and we know that to be true. they come the day of a simcha or the day before and then proceed to spread their germs everywhere…no masks no social distancing and no conscience at all about what they are doing. we need to say NO VISITORS AND MEAN IT. because otherwise they will come and there will be sickness among us

Hot spots only
Reply to  what???
July 15, 2020 6:36 pm

It says don’t visit if you are coming from hot spots. And that’s what the NYC & state authorities say at this time, as well as this letter. Not a whole blanket statement – don’t come

That's the problem
Reply to  what???
July 15, 2020 7:10 pm

Those people that are coming for weddings one day why should they come early?
and even more some people are paying for a hotel, so should they pay crazy amounts for hotels instead of just paying one day?

Concerned
July 15, 2020 10:51 am

Unfortunately I knew this would happen, we don’t know how to listen to the rules, how foolish and disgraceful. You have to do teshuva.

Not fair
July 15, 2020 10:58 am

It’s not fair,crown heights as a community is good as long as people from our of town don’t come witch unfortunately people aren’ listening

A concerned resident
July 15, 2020 11:07 am

This madness has to stop. Crown heights is not immune from the worldwide pandemic. Please, I beg all fellow crown heighters – wear a mask and don’t visit from a Covid hotspot. My parents and so much of the elderly are at risk. We have to do better and protect our own.

Kop Doktar
July 15, 2020 11:07 am

I think this falsely implies blame on “outsiders” entering the sealed bordered territory of Crown Heights and introducing the illness to our herd immunized community. We know so little about this new illness which we have only studied for 4 months. But we do know that testing results have been inaccurate. One cannot rely on testing results to assume they had the virus. We also know that having anti-bodies does not necessarily mean that one is immune from getting the virus. We also know that some people had the virus mildly, “recovered” and later it came back with a vengeance.… Read more »

Crown Heightser
Reply to  Kop Doktar
July 15, 2020 2:31 pm

yes! And what about the fact that there are other humans in Crown Heights besides us Yidden?! The cleaning ladies in our homes! The cleaners in our shuls! The “other” shoppers in our stores! The ones that pushed or pulled open the store door before us! We aren’t wearing gloves! The delivery people of food, mail, UPS…! The people that used the gas pump before us at the gas stations! The “others” in our community! Sure we can “blame” the visiting yid from Brazil or Florida, but who are we kidding? The visiting yid is of very small number. There… Read more »

We'll said
Reply to  Crown Heightser
July 15, 2020 6:39 pm

There is a difference. Each case, each simcha has it’s unique circumstances.

Stay home
July 15, 2020 11:13 am

No matter the reason you need to come to crown heights it’s not worth a life so stay home!!!

What Has CH Given Up On Masks and Distancing?!
July 15, 2020 11:24 am

Fellow Community Members, The last update from Gedaliah Society should have been enough to impress upon you to act righteously and protect others! Some of us have been desperate to see our loved ones from out of town. Grandparents and grandchildren have been separated for months. We are STILL waiting! Meanwhile, shuls in CH are PACKED with almost NO ONE wearing a mask. Summer camps are open (legal ones and illegal ones) with teachers ignoring the rules and not wearing masks. Have the deaths and near-death conditions of our people done nothing to sway you? Why should those who follow… Read more »

There are so many voices
July 15, 2020 11:40 am

that question the validity of these guidelines, that make excuses, that point fingers saying ‘nobody is listening, why should I?”….these voices are the awful NOISE that doesn’t allow you to hear the GOOD, SOUND medical and rabbinic advice.
Please, please don’t ask your own rov, Please, please listen to the guidelines of the rabbonim of this community who are the spokesmen, and who are issuing guidelines in cooperation with the Gedaliah Society/medical advisers.

Bungalow
July 15, 2020 11:50 am

We have people here coming from Brazil and Florida. Placing their kids in day camps, coming to shule etc. how are we to deal with this?

Obvious
Reply to  Bungalow
July 15, 2020 1:18 pm

Those children should not be allowed in camp. Period. Until they’ve completed a 2 week quarantine.

Re infection
July 15, 2020 11:51 am

As we are very concerned about the possibility of re infection, and as you posted a few times about 1 confirmed case of a healthy person who was re infected after testing positive for anti bodies, it would be very much appreciated if you can share some more details about his case. Is he OK? What symptoms did he have on the second time? And some other details. As we know that there are people who are coming and going and not complying with the rules, it will be really helpful to know some more details to be able to… Read more »

reinfection is a reality
Reply to  Re infection
July 15, 2020 1:10 pm
What about the others?
July 15, 2020 12:11 pm

The letter says there are “several” new cases but only two of those came from out of town. How many other people got sick and where did they catch it? All the details are important if we want to be able to protect ourselves.

Crown Heights Covid case out of no where now
July 15, 2020 12:25 pm

I know a local young person who didn’t feel well last week and got tested. She has Corona virus. She hadn’t travelled. Does not know where it came from. Is isolating in Crown Heights. Her family had it originally. Be careful.

very well said
July 15, 2020 12:29 pm

We and others, elderly and/or vulnerable are still sheltering in place and afraid to even go shopping. please wear masks and keep social distancing. this is far from over

DONT COME UNLESS
July 15, 2020 12:34 pm

Don’t come unless you are really holier than the beis din and smarter than the doctors and you absolutely must come to visit friends and family and take your kids to a camp bus with our kids and do some shopping and visit eateries. Hey even if you are coming from a hotspot we understand that you must know better so that is why there is no need for you to obey the quarantine…..
ChasVShalom don’t do this.
Let us make a Kiddish Hashem instead and obey the beis din and the doctors restrictions.

Share details!
July 15, 2020 12:42 pm

How does a person know if they were in contact if you don’t share where and when they have been???

Contact tracing
Reply to  Share details!
July 15, 2020 2:27 pm

I believe when they test positive the health department requests all the people they’ve been in contact with and contacts them to quarantine as well.

How would they know?
Reply to  Contact tracing
July 15, 2020 6:47 pm

Do you know everyone who was in the market place last time you shopped there?

Lchaims
July 15, 2020 12:51 pm

I keep seeing pictures online of lchaims with a parent who came from a hotspot state. STOP. JUST STOP. It’s selfish and irresponsible. Upsets me every time I see it, dont know how these people have no shame and feel no achrayus toward protecting others.

Please still be vigilant
July 15, 2020 1:20 pm

Anyone who is vulnerable, if they are Venturing our now SHOULD be wearing an N95 mask to protect themselves. I do not rely on others, people don’t follow rules. I can’t be at their mercy. Surgical masks do not protect you from the virus, N95 masks do. And it’s not necessary to go to a wedding in the middle of a pandemic.

INITIATIVE
Reply to  Please still be vigilant
July 15, 2020 8:28 pm

Maybe we can start to raise money for those who cannot afford the n95 masks. Our lives matter and we should have masks for everyone even those who cant afford them

More details
July 15, 2020 1:29 pm

Why can’t it be like in Israel, where they say EXACTLY where the sick person went so we can see if we need to be careful. How is it helpful to say ppl are sick without saying where they davened, where their kids go to camp, etc etc.??????

Israel is like New Jersey state size ... we are 50
Reply to  More details
July 15, 2020 1:55 pm

U can’t control people, but many CH are out in Florida in vacation and other states, means reinfection is higher.

So what?

This is a community thing .. nothing official. Simply state places and times so ppl know.

Just Do It
July 15, 2020 2:41 pm

There are many unknowns in this. But, for the love of god and people, just do it: Social distancing, restricted travel and wear mask.

You don’t have to stop living. You can go to work if you must. You can shop if you must. But keep your indoor activity to what’s necessary and with mask. Whether in CH, from CH, or anywhere else, COVID is not gone. It’s on earth, and for the foreseeable future will be here with us. Do not lax just because it’s invisible or quiet in your neighborhood.

Just Do It.

Crown Heights is not in a bubble!
July 15, 2020 3:18 pm

Residents come and go, visitors come and go. You could be exposed by anyone, a neighbor, a friend, the UPS driver, a fellow shopper, or a passerby on the street. I will wear a mask to protect you, and you need to wear a mask to protect me. Mask are only needed when you can not be socially distant, that means in stores, crowded sidewalks, and shuls. We are all vulnerable, not just the elderly. Better to be safe, since the virus is new and no one knows exactly what will happen next.

To Dr Rosen.
July 15, 2020 4:13 pm

I would love be to hear Dr Rosens and Gedaliah society opinion on Dr Zelenko and his treatment and others going around social media the treatment of Taiwan etc….

Why don’t we hear from our doctors about that?

Please

last resort
Reply to  To Dr Rosen.
July 15, 2020 5:34 pm

why do you want to hear about treatments for covid? why would you not rather prevent yourself from getting sick by listening to the protocols and guidelines? when you are sick or when you infect someone else by not following protocols then you or they will then be informed of treatment.

Dr. Zelenko
Reply to  To Dr Rosen.
July 15, 2020 6:48 pm

Totally agree about this. Dr. Zelenko’s protocol should be used and publicized. It saves lives. It eliminates hysteria. It has been empirically and scientifically proven

it's not simple
Reply to  Dr. Zelenko
July 15, 2020 8:27 pm

it’s not a cureall and it is not an easy fix. people get sick and it is a roll of the dice whether this regimine of meds works for them. they can still have terrible reprecussions. WEAR YOUR MASK, SOCIALLY DISTANCE…THOSE ARE PROVEN TO WORK NOT THE MEDS

Wear a Mask!
July 15, 2020 4:41 pm

It doesn’t matter whether you already had the virus or not- you can still get reinfected and even if you dont know or dont have symptoms- you can still unknowingly spread it! Forget small lchaims and events- every time I see pictures on this website or another chabad news site in 770-MAJORITY of people do not have masks on! It takes no effort to just put one on! Oh, and if you travel to CH- only go for necessities and if coming from a hotspot state/area- QUARANTINE yourselves- I dont need to explain the benefits and repercussions of following/not following… Read more »

It's not just travelers with Coronavirus now!
July 15, 2020 5:34 pm

I know of other random cases in the community. People who have not traveled. Was just at a Crown Heights simcha of about 60 people. Me, my husband, and six others were wearing masks. It was uncomfortable. But bearable. Worth it to protect lives. We took our food out and ate it on the street. Three of the eight in masks were eldery. What is up with that?! I mean it. I’m seriously hoping someone who goes to events unmasked will explain their thinking. Why aren’t you masked? Some admittedly have no antibodies. I won’t attack respondents who reply. I… Read more »

Malka
July 15, 2020 7:39 pm

I agree with Kop Doktar’s and Chosid’s comments above.
Read them!
That’s exactly what I wanted to say.

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