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    Chassidim Dislike L’Chaim Ban

    A proposed ban on the consumption of alcohol by teens was not well-received in Chassidic circles in Israel, for fear it might put an end to Farbrengens. Full Story

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    !!!!too bad
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    !!!!too bad

    this is the firs t smart thing that i heard before ever. for once those bachurim should learn to act normally and all

    wrong
    Guest
    wrong

    th eRebbes gezeire is to say not more then 4 times totaling not more then a reviis not as they wrote (total 4 x 3.5 oz)!

    pls correct

    4 reviis cups?
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    4 reviis cups?

    I assume you mean of wine, not other hard drinks.

    Grapy
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    Grapy

    After what was going on here in CH over the last days of yom tov, let them say l”chaim on Grape Juice.. it’s gotten way out of hand. and by the way. I’m not a BT.

    Rebbe would be VERY VERY GLAD!!
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    Rebbe would be VERY VERY GLAD!!

    Read what our Rebbeh said about mashkeh at a chassisishe table You’ll be shocked speechless!!! The Rebbeh abhores Mashkeh as a rule, especially at farbrengens of youth and persons under 40 who are at greater risk of being tempted to take more than 4 shots = total 4 ounces over entire farbrengen sitting!! The Rebbeh screemed begged and pleaded that his chasidim never violate the rule of 4!! The Rebbeh said to view mashkeh as a “davat maaus” = a disgusting thing to be avoided. The litmus test of a True Chossid is one who puts aside peerpreasure or other… Read more »

    Laaniyas Dayti
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    Laaniyas Dayti

    This could be a terrible impediment to mashpiyim. How else can they sell the “true faith” if not to intoxicated minor minds.

    very important
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    very important

    It is very needed I just returned from Israel and spent simchat Torah at Chabad. There was way too much alcohol and no supervision. it is unacceptable to see such young kids drunk and noone caring. Farbrengens dont have to be about the drink its all about the soul. feed it dont drown it..

    tzfas bochrim
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    tzfas bochrim

    everyone should learn from the tzafser bochrim they very mapkid not to oiver the gezeyre

    Reb Yossi
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    Reb Yossi

    And how many ppl can’t stop ….
    I think every Chabad parent should be made to read the AA book

    Daughter of Gedaliah Yirachmiel Shaffer OBM
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    Daughter of Gedaliah Yirachmiel Shaffer OBM

    Anyone who thinks the problem is under control, or that bochurim do not drink enough to cause danger to themselves or others is simply fooling themselves.
    It is bad enough when r’l someone ends up killing another jew in an accident – but do we have to allow ourselves and our children to be ‘keilim’ to accept the reponsibility of causing the accident!?!

    this concept only applies to chabad that a religious imperative to drink
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    this concept only applies to chabad that a religious imperative to drink

    but to say that a minor cannot imbibe alcohol or be seen holding one while a kid a couple of years older then him lives with it is sheer madness

    though it would seem in my opinion that the culture of drinking is a problem among a few yechidim and also some major mashpiim who cannot function without a drink and must get everyone to drink with them

    N. Newman
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    N. Newman

    How can Chabad be against a ban that will save lives? After the story about R. Simon this is an embarrassment.

    i thing not all minor are the same
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    i thing not all minor are the same

    i think that tiil bar miitzva a kid should ONLY be allowed a easyer wine(not 30, 35percent alcohol) for kiddush from 13+ 1 cup of l’chaim WITH GROWN UP THAT IS NOT DRUNK SUPERVISESfrom 20 2 cup from 30 three cup and from 40 you should know know how to take take of yourself!!(couse if from bar-mitzva you make 4 l’chaim you be temted bor a 5. THAT THE REBBE DOES NOT ALLOW AND YOU VIALLATING THE MITZVA OF hishamer MEOD lenafshoseichem)

    It's about time!
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    It's about time!

    If you don’t understand why there is such a ban,I urge you to get in touch with a family who has either lost a member to a drunk driver, or a drunk driver…..! Both of them will have the same response! “I wish I/he wasn’t drunk”.

    Yiddishe Mama
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    Yiddishe Mama

    My boys were told by me in no uncertain terms that they should not have lchaim on mashke at young ages by their school farbrengens

    BH I have succeeded in instilling in them a very judicious approach to the use of alcohol. You dont need to be drunk to be chassidishe.

    BTW I am geze going back to the times of the alter rebbe, so dont label me as an outsider to try to validate alcoholism.

    Vast majority of Rabbin and Mashpiim obey the Gezeira of "4"
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    Vast majority of Rabbin and Mashpiim obey the Gezeira of "4"

    It’s the phoney fraud fakes who DONT OBEY the REBBE

    An eltere chossis once told me
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    An eltere chossis once told me

    That in Russia (not for lack of mashke) they would farbreng – young and old – with a keleshik (about 1 oz) of mashke on the table and by the end of the farbrengen there would be some mashke left in the glass. It’s should be pretty obvious that a farbrengen is meant to correct character flaws not create them. Over consumption of mashke causes the person to be drunk and in an unreceptive state, to the point that they don’t hear and/or don’t care about what the mashpia is saying. All of this said when there is a mashpia… Read more »

    a chance for mn
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    a chance for mn

    Great…what mesiruss nefesh having a lechaim will be!!!! now bochrimagain have a chance to get arrested for farbrenging!!! (just like the old times in Russia…)

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