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    Chabad Couple Takes On Airline

    Yosef and Sarah Shidler are taking an airline to task after flight attendants insisted they ignore FAA regulations for child safety. Full Story

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    iF NO HARM DONE
    Guest
    iF NO HARM DONE

    why mention compensation?

    You want money for this?

    I mixed feelings about this...
    Guest
    I mixed feelings about this...

    They have to remember that they are frum Yidden with a tafkid not to make a chillul hashem. I am in no means suggesting that they compromise the safety of their child to prevent a chilul Hashem, However, if this was so important to them and it’s obvious that the person in front of them would be uncomfortable, perhaps they should have paid for a bulk head seat where there would be nobody in front of them. Or perhaps the husband or wife could sit directly in front of the carseat so it would be their seat that could not… Read more »

    Perfect words!!!
    Guest
    Perfect words!!!

    “My primary concern is that no child should ever have their safety compromised because of flight crews who put the comfort of a passenger ahead of the safety of a child,” said Yosef Shidler

    Happy the family B"H got home safely
    Guest
    Happy the family B"H got home safely

    Glad the family including little Tiferes got home safely and that this issue is now being pubicized. Yasher koach.

    Really?
    Guest
    Really?

    Let one of the parents sit in the seat in front of the child…and no issue!!
    Problem solved!!
    Why should another passenger be uncomfortable during the flight? They also paid for their flight, like the little girl.

    to 5
    Guest
    to 5

    read the article again. “According to the Shidlers, the airline made no attempt to address the problem by arranging for them to relocate to the front row of the full flight, where the reclining issue would have been resolved”

    Reb yid
    Guest
    Reb yid

    I understand your concerns, but i believe you’re being a bit over-dramatic.

    Totally agree with #1
    Guest
    Totally agree with #1

    Well said

    just bc
    Guest
    just bc

    Were Jews it doesn’t mean we shud just sit and let watever happens happen. Standing up for urerights is not a chillul hashem.

    I think they are wrong
    Guest
    I think they are wrong

    I don’t think the seat needs to be rear facing on an aircraft. It is only to serve the purpose to keep the child safe from turbulence, landing etc.. It would hardly help in a crash G-d forbid, whereas in a car it would make all the difference

    Citizen Berel
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    Citizen Berel

    Number 5 is exactly correct.

    To quote for the skim readers: “Let one of the parents sit in the seat in front of the child…and no issue!!”

    Flight seating is tight and getting tighter, maybe stop whining and figure out a way for it to work out.

    overdone
    Guest
    overdone

    i also feel this is being overdone by becoming so public…not every issue we have has to hit the news…especially when its in the name of chabad…

    An old timer
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    An old timer

    When my kids were small, there were no seat belts in cars, for anyone! We took our babies home from the hospital in our arms or in an early, primitive version of today’s car seats and, BH, they all survived to adulthood.

    Rear facing
    Guest
    Rear facing

    The whole issue is blown so way out of proportion. Yes there are studies showing rear facing is safer but the difference is very slight. Certainly she is much safer in a forward facing carseat than the vast majority of babies who fly completely unrestrained.

    To the Shilders
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    To the Shilders

    I’m sorry you had to go through this sickening and humiliating ordeal, and I hope that SWA more than apologizes for this.

    That said, as Frum Jews, you will be stigmatized. Whereas if this story happened to John Smith everyone would rush to be compassionate and criticize SWA, with a Frum Jew, they
    will brush it off in favor of SWA and say that you are trying to do something illegal or extort money from SWA etc…

    Do what you need to do, but please tread carefully. Maybe work this out with them quietly.

    ersw
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    ersw

    to,1,2,5,7,i,agree.the,others,not,exactly..

    Safety
    Guest
    Safety

    Everyone knows that one must face their children in rear facing seats the risk of getting rear-ended on a plane is so high and so dangerous. Chas V’chalila

    safety first
    Guest
    safety first

    never compromise on safety I fully support the parents! Shame on the airline for such an extreme error. They will pay for this one heavily!

    Their are 50 million people who fly in the us a year
    Guest
    Their are 50 million people who fly in the us a year

    Times 13 years since the last death so relax….. thanks safety

    Shindler think about that why look for publicity Give him a free meal on the next flight

    Dont come across as looking for $ when nothing happened.

    Safety comes first!!
    Guest
    Safety comes first!!

    Hatzlocha!!!!hatzlacha!!

    To #19
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    To #19

    Where have you been hiding??? There were plenty of plane crashes and deaths recently!! Go look on the news!! Wow! What ignorance!

    Hurray!
    Guest
    Hurray!

    they got their tickets refunded! & the airline will reinforce a new rule to let the parents keep the carseat the way they want for their child!!!!!

    re: the passenger in front of them
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    re: the passenger in front of them

    I’ve flown quite a bit – economy class, and I’ve never been able to lean my seat back comfortably. If I would have done so, the adult passenger behind me would have had my seat in his/her lap. The passenger in front of the baby could have sat a tad less comfortably than usual for the few hours that the plane was in flight. THAT’s the one who should have stop whining… BTW, not all flight attendants are the courteous souls we would like them to be.

    First time poster
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    First time poster

    To number 1,2,5,7,8 and anyone else that writes something close the above numbers you are a bunch of morons

    I’m far from a safety freak. The story is a very clear simple story.

    The airline screwed up badly to treat then as they did. They at minimum deserve free flight for this horrible experience and a huge apology.

    Yosef smetana.

    Stop being embarrassed about frum yodel etc. This has nothing to do with Jewish etc

    And using moron in a understatement.

    Good shabbos.

    Horrible
    Guest
    Horrible

    Why do you deserve money exactly? That’s what the chilul HaShem is! You don’t deserve a red cent! They made a mistake and because of their mistake absolutely nothing happened. Maybe fight that in the future this doesn’t happen again but to get compensated! Seriously

    To 1
    Guest
    To 1

    They had to get off the flight, fight with everyone, that cost them money. That’s the damage.

    Appalled
    Guest
    Appalled

    BH

    I am mostly appalled by the comments. Safety is priority, and this case was a grossly unsafe reponse by the pilot and flight attendants.

    On behalf of all parents and parents to be, thank you for taking the time to take them to court!

    Who says that it is safer?
    Guest
    Who says that it is safer?

    Just because in a car rear facing the car seat is safer, who says the same applies to a plane? The dynamics of a plane is very different to a car, the proof being that all the passenger seat belts in a plane are different to that of a car. Did these passengers research this? Perhaps they are just looking for a way to get attention and money.

    Concerned parent ...concerned Jew
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    Concerned parent ...concerned Jew

    Thank u for doing your best to fight for what is right. Following safety regs according to the safety seat instructions should be a no brainier…the fact that this family appeared overtly Jewish is a given and as such the less than supportive behavior by airline personnel should be at the very leat questioned and brought to light…not ignores!!!! Kol hakovod to the family for speaking out for the sake of All hidden!

    dov bennish
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    dov bennish

    time for more people to start using avios

    I like # 5
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    I like # 5

    and also feel that this has nothing to do with religion. just because they are and look religious jewish doesn’t mean they can’t stand up for what they think is right. everyone is entitled to make a stand for their position. nah, you’re a yid, swallow everyone else’s garbage in the name of not riling up another pogrom…

    sitting in front of carseat
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    sitting in front of carseat

    Whoa people calm down and stop judging!
    The parents did offer to sit in the seat in front of the rear facing car seat but that passenger did not want to switch.
    The fact that this was not mentioned in the article does not give you a right to be so judgementel. And why is this a chillul hashem? Standing up for ones rights within the law and in a courteous way is a kiddush hashem as far as I can tell.

    swtch
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    swtch

    That person won the lottery and got bulk seat (or maybe they paid more). Maybe switch with people at the back of the plane

    shindlers are right
    Guest
    shindlers are right

    You are 100 percent right.

    They must respect children’s safety and a frum couple. I hope they compensate you BIG time 🙂

    kid on the block
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    kid on the block

    Overreacting much? The kid weighed 18 lbs, and the law requires this arrangement for 20 lbs. That’s what he wrote on facebook at least. If he turns his seat around its no danger. This should be the worst of your ptoblems. Count your blessings.

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