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Call to Debate Moshiach Issues

At a memorial for Crown Heights Rabbi Yehuda Kalman Marlow and Nosson Deitsch, one of the speakers suggested holding a public forum to debate Moshiach topics. Full Story, Photos

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to#17
September 20, 2010 5:05 pm

i heard alot of people came.
i dont think there are any pictures of the crowd anyways.

Rabbi Marlow!!
June 4, 2010 12:30 pm

best rabbi ever

to #16
June 3, 2010 3:46 pm

It isn’t logical to say that a certain interpretation of what the rebbe says brings machloichis unless that interpretation is twisted around to somehow nice things about other Jews chas v’shalom. The only other way someone’s interpretation of what the Rebbe said would bring the opposite of ahavas Yisroel chas v’shalom as you suggest is if the machloichis is caused because you don’t LIKE what is being said. Otherwise, why should people who disagree hate each other? The issue with Rabbi Akiva students was not that they had different interpretations of what their Rebbe said, but that they took their… Read more »

Missing the forest for the trees
June 3, 2010 1:08 pm

The problem is not Moshiach or Mivtzoim. This is about achdus kipshutoi. As long as one thinks that the other Jew is “wrong” by any yardstick even an “aidel” yardstick, we wont get the kiruv halevovos we need to get out of this mess.

Please watch this video and take The Rebbe’s message to heart:

http://www.gruntig.net/2009/07/lubavitcher-rebbe-explains-gemara.html

To # 13
June 3, 2010 12:07 pm

“i Learnt (not from the Rebbe) that Moshiach is one of the 13 principals of faith by the Rambam,” Yes Moshiach is one of the 13 principles of faith, but not flag waiving Etc. that only leads to mochlokes in our collective family and ridicule in the Jewish community at large, that further leads to some of the terrible things that our community is being afflicted with. For those that want to fulfill the Rebbe’s will with regard to Moshiach, there is so much to learn and teach without targeting the hot topics, and we should refrain from the hot… Read more »

to 13
June 3, 2010 4:51 am

Since when are Moshiach and one G-d mutually exclusive? Who would ever come to the conclusion, learning just Jewish texts, that someone’s being Moshiach has anything to do with someone chas v’shalom being G-d.. who would come to that conclusion, unless he were influenced by other religions…? The Romans turned their kings into gods and that is how that other religion, which wast started by Roman influenced Jews, got started. For us Jews, there is no need to extrapolate from one subject to the other..just because they got mixed up, it doesn’t mean we have to put gags over our… Read more »

RIGHT!!!
June 3, 2010 2:52 am

Rabbi Zalman Liberow should be well & know of no Tzoros.That being said if the debate he suggests will rightfully conclude that the flag waving yechi movement is not part of Yiddishkeit & has nothing to do C”V with the Rebbe or Moshiach would he accept it? I rest my case!

BTW, from the size of the crowd we can get an idea of the support that the temporary vaad has. State tuned to the elections coming your way next Sunday. Vote early & vote often! Mistake , that was last election !

to # 12
June 3, 2010 1:52 am

i Learnt (not from the Rebbe) that Moshiach is one of the 13 principals of faith by the Rambam,
meaning that before you do a mitzvah you have to believe in one g-d, and that there is Moshiach etc..
that it is a problem that if a Jewish person believes in Jesus R”L, can he put on Tifilin Evan though its a Halachah.
go to J for J and find out if thats OK.
therefor i think you should get your priority striate what came first the chicken or th egg?

to # 11
June 2, 2010 11:58 pm

“the Rebbe is Moshiach everyone believes it, but no one wants to be the one to say it, because We are all worried about “what will the world say”. the fact is when the Rebbe started the Tfilin campaign with all the other Mitzvahs, the whole world was upset at us and now its all out there as the “kiruv movement”. Tifilin is an halacha, me-who Yehude is an Halacha so you do it at all costs, but wearing Yechi yarmalkas and waiving flags and saying Yechi before davening during davening and after davening is not halacha and leads to… Read more »

whats there to talk about......
June 2, 2010 9:15 pm

the Rebbe is Moshiach everyone believes it, but no one wants to be the one to say it, because We are all worried about “what will the world say”.
the fact is when the Rebbe started the Tfilin campaign with all the other Mitzvahs, the whole world was upset at us and now its all out there as the “kiruv movement”.
so there should be no problem ether you say it or you don’t.

To #5
June 2, 2010 5:41 pm

You are correct in establishing that the MOST important thing is Ahavas Yisroel and Achdus as we find in abundance in the Rebbe’s Sichos. However, this is not about whether or not the Moshiach Campaign is successful. Achdus depends upon each individual respecting every other individual. Whether we disagree is not the point. It’s about HOW we disagree. Just because someone has an opinion different than yours doesn’t mean that A) your opinion is invalid, and/or B) their opinion is invalid. The most important thing is that neither is invalid as a chossid or a yid, which is what the… Read more »

great idea
June 2, 2010 4:05 pm

awesome
debating is thought provoking,
if it doesnt come to a definitive conclusion
it still shed light

Lucky Charms
June 2, 2010 4:03 pm

The conversation turned into a debate if there ought to be a debate!

Sometimes it is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it. For the majority, there is no question, while for those who question, a debate would fuel further confusion.

I take note that debate is masculine, conversation is feminine. I am inclined to converse about the topic rather than argue about it.

Crowd?
June 2, 2010 4:01 pm

This is ALL the Crown Heights people who attended the 10th Yartzeit of Rav Marlow?! You got to be kidding!

instead of a debate
June 2, 2010 3:44 pm

Instead of a debate and throwing opinions about yet again, why not agree to a collective learning of the Rebbe’s sichos of Tuf shin nun alef and beit…so people can take away from these crucial sichos what they see fit..

Bring the Rebbe into it…don’t need to hash it out…and if they disagree about how to interpret these sichos, at least the machlochis will be over interpretation of text and at least has a chance of being l’shem shamayim

it is a good idea but hard to figure out
June 2, 2010 3:14 pm

I’ve been trying to get to the bottom of the Mashiach Campaign issue for a long time, the problem I encounter is that both sides use the Rebbe’s words to prove their point, so it’s chess-mate and more machlokes, so the approach that I am going to take is to base my conclusion on the many Sechos and Letters from the Rebbe, but not as it relates specifically to this issue, but as it relates to many other issues, including this one. Everyone familiar with the Rebbe’s teaching knows that there is nothing more important to the Rebbe then Ahavas… Read more »

#3 - It's also good to see...
June 2, 2010 2:47 pm

That not a single post about achdus doesn’t go by without a negative, sarcastic chochmeleh.

It's good to see
June 2, 2010 12:36 pm

That Liberow is “Moideh Bemiktzas”, i.e. that there are other opinions than his….

Still crying
June 2, 2010 11:43 am

Very appropriate to see some Achdus for a change. May it continue m’chayil el chayil.

Were “ordinary people” able to write a letter, or just the Rabbonim & current members of the Vaad Hakahal? The pictures don’t show any ordinary community members writing.

Finally, I’m not sure Rabbi Liberow chose the best forum for his suggestion, but it’s nice he was well enough to attend & speak.

The whole evening was probably very inspiring, but I’m glad I wasn’t there…too much pain over too much of a tragedy. May their Neshamas have the greatest aliyos.

Disagree with Liberow
June 2, 2010 11:33 am

Debating Moshiach has been ongoing for years. There wil be no definitive conclusion biz ehr vet kumen. (achshav)

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