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jj duchman
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jj duchman

THANK YOU? U know ots bochrims needs? U know the mind of a teenage lubavitcher? WHAT WE WANT??? He’s a himan being who genuinly care fpr us. HE IS THE REASON WHY IM STILL IN THE SYSTEm of ot…and same for others…so everyone shut ur mouth. Think of his six kids. His wife. His students. Despicable.

I AGRRE
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I AGRRE

Rabbi rosenfeld don’t just give in to the pressure of the internet rabbi sternberg is MY mashpia and I can personally testify that he had the intensionan of helping the bouchrim the right thing to do is to BRING HIM BACK NOW!!!!!

Thank u
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Thank u

Get him back right now!!!!!!! Oholei torah is ridiculous!!!!! Being influenced from pr and public things….
WHERE ARE OUR ELDERS.
IM A STUDENT IN OT, AND I MISS HIM DEARLY

Great jop bouchrim!!
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Great jop bouchrim!!

Well done bouchrim keep on doing this!!!! Concerned parent

bH  -
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bH -

Bochurim rock! AS DOES R Sternberg

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Finally someone doing something that’s right!!!!!

Meir
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Meir

BS”D on the surface the firings are shocking. Did not the 2 Rabbis have anything but the best interests of the 3 they sent. At the most one can say they made a mistake or were duped, but to fire 2 devoted people and make them scapegoats seems highly uncalled for and improper especially in view of the haskomas they claim to have from the very same people who now ban the organization which obviously means that they themselves were once mistaken or duped. Shall they also be fired from their respective positions

To The bouchrim
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To The bouchrim

I am ready to help in anything that’s needed just post a comment how I can contact u and I will help with what ever u need.
rabbi sternberg is a really great man!!

wow
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wow

kol hakavod

Go Bochurim Go!
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Go Bochurim Go!

I love justice!

Thank u
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Thank u

Thank u bochrim!! My son had a great year last year by rabbi sternberg! And don’t think he deserves something like this to happen to him!!!

Confused
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Confused

I agree with more clarity being needed on this matter but with all due respect bochurim are young and naive how can they tell what is chassidus only without any “foreign” additions.

That being said full respect for the bochurim for sticking up to their beliefs. Clarity is needed once and for all.

I CANT BELIEVE IT
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I CANT BELIEVE IT

Why would they fire their most talented staff.
Where are the brains.

Way to go bochurim, I’m on your side this time

to hanholas ohlei torah
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to hanholas ohlei torah

There’s only 1 mashpai in oholei torah who cares for the bochurim who talks to them on there level, speaks to them about there problems, he should not be let go, especially after having charoto about his connection to cots, and will listen to the rabonim and senior mashipim, therefore he should get his job back and continue doing his holy work.

It's not rosenfeld
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It's not rosenfeld

Why is everybody attacking Rosenfeld?
Does he run the one man show of OT?

Maybe yes, I don’t know. I’m lost

I agree with comment #1
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I agree with comment #1

I can confidently say, that much of my frumkeit and yiddishkeit today is thanks to Rabbi Sternberg

Dumb move
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Dumb move

That wasn’t smart of Oholei Torah

Rediculous!!!
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Rediculous!!!

TO fire these two amazing mechanchim because they participated in COTS (before anyone had questions about it) is more outrageous than COTS could ever be!!

Very maturely written letter.
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Very maturely written letter.

Impressed!

There are very good points made.

Why is OT the only one?!
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Why is OT the only one?!

I don’t understand why is OT the only Yeshivah that took stand as a strong yeshivah and kicked out employees that went there? They are not the only ones!

Joe
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Joe

B”H I never learnt in OT but these Bochurim have more toughness then 99% of the so called leadership in Lubavitch today.

Parksville
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Parksville

Ispy
JJ duchman
Jj hecht
Zevi slavin

to 'bochurim'
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to 'bochurim'

may i ask how do you know what outside influences are?

Backed up
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Backed up

I heard that all the Rebbis are against Rabbi Y.R. on this one.

to 15
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to 15

I think the answer is yes

TOUCHED BY A CHOSSID
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TOUCHED BY A CHOSSID

This is a man who touched the lives of so many bochurim from all walks of life, he has contributed so much towards the betterment of CH. Please give him a 2nd chance. I personally witnessed countless acts where this mashpia would go out of his way (even when it would have lowered his standing amongst hanhola) solely for the purpose of helping a bochur in need. I was touched by a chossid and feel wrong denying any bochur that opportunity. We want moshiach now!!!

Go for you guyz!!
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Go for you guyz!!

And the youth speak up! ve heishiv lev avos al banim

sternburg is a good guy
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sternburg is a good guy

But i think ot has right to fire a guy who is involved in controversial buisness

Ad Mosai
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Ad Mosai

So many sad things are happening these days!
A few untimely passings (baruch dayan hoemes)
And now firing the top Mechanchim

ur fighting the rebbes battle
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ur fighting the rebbes battle

BH for bucherim

Rediculous!!!
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Rediculous!!!

Chovevi Torah should also do the same!!! Kick out those people that are pro the shofar and sending are kids there!!
OT good job!! Saving our kids!

Chaval!
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Chaval!

I know both of the Mechanchim PERSONALLY!
I can tell you that they are both extremely knowledgeable and talented in Chinuch!

I think they should open their own school.
Seriously, we need it. A good school

rabbi sternbergs talmid
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rabbi sternbergs talmid

there is no good reason to fire rabbi sternberg!!!!!!!! he is a great mashpp[ia and he helps me and his other talmidim in every way and it is a major chutzpa that they fire him!!!!!! and we (huis talmidim) are ready to take any step[ needed to get him back!!!!! and we are doing already!!!!!!1 (and NO we are not brainwashed by cots or any thing else!!!!!!!!)

Openminded
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Openminded

It looks like the Bochurim are more open minded than Hanholo.

Aliyas Hadoros, B”H.

Finally!!!
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Finally!!!

Bochurim,
Great job!!!
Please post info how to contact you.
I want to help your cause.

A former Talmid.

go baby go
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go baby go

Great job bochurim!!!

the bochrim set up an email adress ALL THOSE THAT CAN SUPPORT US AMD HELP US PLEASE  EMAIL
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the bochrim set up an email adress ALL THOSE THAT CAN SUPPORT US AMD HELP US PLEASE EMAIL
HALACHA
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HALACHA

It is ASSUR for a Mosad to fire a Mechanech without a PSAK from a BEIS DIN.

Look it up

FIRE FIRE FIRE
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FIRE FIRE FIRE

Get rid of him. If he went himself over 4 times for healing and sent guys there he does not belong teaching my kid next year.

Why the secret?
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Why the secret?

why doesn’t Rabbi Rosenfeld publicize the names of the rabanim and professionals who are investigating the case.
we’re in America!!!
הרוצה לשקר ירחיק עדותו

Great going Bochurim
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Great going Bochurim

I support you all the way- keep up the great work. Don’t let this become a smear camapign against a great person like Rabbi Sternberg. Please post how we can help you in doing the right thing. OT, retract your stupid decision.

Chill out!
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Chill out!

I’m sure they’ll both be back tomorrow.
OT isn’t THAT dumb

(or maybe they are?)

OHOLEI TORAH BOCHUR
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OHOLEI TORAH BOCHUR

the buchrim always made things happen (or not to happen) and this time as well!!!!!! WE WILL DO EVERYTHING FOR YOU RABBI WE ARE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!

Great!!!
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Great!!!

May this be a new beginning for gantz klal Yisroel! Great job and keep it up!!

Not Fired!!!
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Not Fired!!!

Just being told to step down so they can be deprogrammed.

Vheishiv leiv avos al bonim!!!!!
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Vheishiv leiv avos al bonim!!!!!

!!!

genuine care
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genuine care

Shloimy has genuine care to help people. Spends hours of time, energy, money to make a difference in a bochur’s , husband’s etc life.
All the big talkers dont get into trouble because they dont care to put themselves out there with the possibility of being hurt.
Only young mashpiim,
In this context- shloimy, actually REALLY CARES for the boys.
And goce more then just a chassidus share for his job title.
He is involved in helping them grow personally. Runs a fantastic summer program etc.
I heard rabbanom asked not to fire him.
On whose shoulders is ot firing this mashpiim?

The Rebbe always said for the Talmidim not to mix into
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The Rebbe always said for the Talmidim not to mix into

What the Hanhaloas Do.

It just creates anarchy

miri f.
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miri f.

הרב רוזנפלד,
אני אמא גאה בהחלטה שלך לנקות את האורוות.
בחורים, תתביישו לכם
מי אתם בכלל ללכת להפגין?
מה זה פה איראן או סוריה
אתם לא מתביישים? האם הייתם מעיזים לעשות את זה לפני ג’ תמוז?
ממתי הבחורים מפגינים נגד ההנהלה, וכותבים מכתבים נגד ההנהלה?
הרב רוזנפלד, אל תתפעל מכל העליהום שעושים עליך.
ההורים שאיכפת להם מהילדים שלהם ולא מאף אחד אחר, כולם מאחוריך. חזק ואמץ!

Agree with comment 1
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Agree with comment 1

Read comment 1!!!

Let me tell you
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Let me tell you

For Sternberg who started a new Minyan ( Avrechi ) to be more frum and better than any other shul his arrogance and aloofness has caught up to this guy.

He causes an uproar and then walks to the head table at the ASIFA and sits down like he owns the place.

agree with hanholo
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agree with hanholo

Rabbi Sternburg is overstepping his reach

Bochurim zainen groise mevinim...
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Bochurim zainen groise mevinim...

It is laughable that the students are going to say that their Mashpia did not mix in outside influences.
Really?! How would you know?
You are Mekablim.

Kol hakovod
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Kol hakovod

Kol hakovod the bouchrim that went to rabbi rosemfelds house

ממנו יראו וכן יעשו
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ממנו יראו וכן יעשו

שיזרקו גם את בלוי מחובבי הוא גם שולח בחורים זה פשוט מבהיל לראות מה קורה כאן

Silly
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Silly

How are the bochurim supposed to be the statement that what they were getting was pure Chassidus!? Now Shiur Dalet bochurim are supposed to be limtus test of what’s considered pure Chassidus!? He should have been fired 2 years ago when he spoke for merkaz anash and he said that tanya doesn’t work. What kind of thing is it that a mashpia puts a damper on torahs hachasidus!?

Bochrim?
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Bochrim?

I think not.

Lets see the points these guys have.

These teachers had got to go. They went multiple times and still claims its right.

These bocrim mixing in is a chilul hashem. And should all be sent home.

This is not camp

To coment 45
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To coment 45

I hope you’re wright!

fired them without explanation.really???
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fired them without explanation.really???

is there any explanation lacking to why they were fired?

Keep on going bouchrim!!
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Keep on going bouchrim!!

The rebbe is on you’re side!! Keep up the great work!!

I DONT BACK BOCHRIM PROTESTING....BUT!!!!
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I DONT BACK BOCHRIM PROTESTING....BUT!!!!

IN THIS CASE IM WITH 100%
SHOW THEM THE WRATH OF OT BOCHRIM
GET YOUR MASHPIA BACK!!
ENOUGH EXTREMISM–WE WANT NORMALCY!!

i am shocked
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i am shocked

to see a esteemed yeshiva like o.t. remove a amazing mashpia based on even the so called “PAST INVOLVEMENT”
and in middle of the year! are you joking ??what is he to do now??

HaRav Sternberg
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HaRav Sternberg

Is a significant member of Oholei Torah. Many feel that he is the only guy who cares there, who deals with the bochurim in a personal level. He really is doing amazing work, unfortunately he got mixed up into all this. He’s a good guy and he’s needed in Oholei Torah. I really hope that this all blows over soon and he’ll be able to continue his amazing work here without anything getting in the way. R’ Shloimie, we love you and can’t wait for you to come back!

To 48
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To 48

You write “since when do Bochurim go against their Hanholo?!”

Don’t forget that The Hanholo isn’t listening to THEIR Hanholo either! i.e. the Rabonim

The Hanoholo did this ON THEIR OWN, against the will of The Rabbonim,
And the Bochurim are FOLLOWING Hanholo by doing just like them and taking matters into their own hands

To all those in support of Rabbi Sternberg
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To all those in support of Rabbi Sternberg

Where were you guys these past two weeks when Rabbi Sternberg was getting hammered relentlessly by cowardly anonymous commenters?

You realize that the unjustified backlash is what caused Rabbi Rosenfeld to fire Rabbi Sternberg?

Rabbi Rosenfeld, you acted on a whim, and you miscalculated and did the wrong thing. You listened to the internet people who hide behind their computers with no name spewing false information about Rabbi Sternberg.

I suggest you re-instate Rabbi Sternberg immediately, and apologize to him for acting on a whim.

to 56
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to 56

Please keep your out-of-context misquotations to yourself

It's not the first time.
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It's not the first time.

Merkaz Anash got complaints when he spoke at the “Raising Kedusha in The Home” event and said that Tanya doesn’t help a person from tayvas niyuf on the internet. Ultimately, when they printed transcripts of the speeches, they decided not to print that part because it was not in line with the Chabad approach (as R’ Yoel articulated).

yanky bennish
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yanky bennish

This alleged, ‘internal investigation’ done by Rabbi rosenfeld, with unnamed experts in tow, and led to the firing of two beloved mechanchim, has no more legitimacy then those done by CHW. Bottom line, if by your own admission, you’ve failed to put the right mashpim in our ZAL. Then how are you competent enough to know if you should remove them!? Show some transparency with your actions, this is a case of dinnei nefashos, where are your 23 dayanim?!The reason you have the biggest zal in north america, is because bochurim want pure chinuch that isnt influenced by outside sources,… Read more »

GEHAKTE CHEINIK!!!!!!!
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GEHAKTE CHEINIK!!!!!!!

ALL THESE GUYS MAKE AS IF THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING!!! ALL THOSE WHO KNOW HIM AND THAT ARE IN HIS CLASS WANT HIM BACK AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING SO EVERYONE ELSE CAN SHUT THEIR MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE IS A GREAT MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R. Rosenfeld and OT DID THE RIGHT THING
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R. Rosenfeld and OT DID THE RIGHT THING

It may be hard for these children to understand the powerful effects of a cult movement like Call of the Shofar.

The children will need immediate support from other rabbis and professionals to heal from the damage done by their rabbis and others who were snared in by Steven Frischling and his mind control techniques.

Once again, the “students'” letter smells of Frischling and his supporters working directly with the writer to produce the document.

R. Sternberg should be ashamed of himself using the bochurim to defend him. Instead, he should go for immediate counseling and leave these children alone.

moshe der g
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moshe der g

fired or not

he canot be near any bochurim … he needs deprogramming .. and the lies here that he only went once ? and as a observer ? they dont allow observers .. and what with the other mashpia does he not need deprogramming ??

To # 52 and 53
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To # 52 and 53

I don’t believe that either of you know him personally. You aren’t even entitled to an opinion about the matter until you actually know the man. This is a man that devoted his life to teaching Chassidus and helping people that are struggling.. Where do you have the chutzpah to make comments against him. He absolutely does not mix any outside forces into Yeshiva. The proof for that is that all the Mashpiim in Yeshiva that actually know him well, do not agree to this absurd decision. It is only those like you who rely on stupid things they hear,… Read more »

The bochurim have real chutzpah!
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The bochurim have real chutzpah!

There is a smarter way to show love and support for your teacher, who may be innocent or may be otherwise. And the same goes for parents.
Let Oholei Torah run their own school. If you don’t like it, leave the school.

What do you mean?
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What do you mean?

Wheres the kabolos ol?
The hanholo decided and thats it!!!!
Go learn, u guys are a bunch of bored bochrim that have nothing to do!!!!
Thats why lubavitch is so messed up, and theres so many am haratzim!!

The rebbe says
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The rebbe says

If u disagree with the hanholes decision say tehilm bochurim have no right protesting against yeshiva!!!!!

Shame on R. Sternberg for using children!
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Shame on R. Sternberg for using children!

R. Sternberg and supporters should be ashamed of hemselves for using children as pawns in his and Steven Frischling game. This is a form of abuse of power and manipulations which clearly reflects the cult manipulation of COTS. It is crystal clear from the “students” letter that they are being used by COTS to achieve their political ends. COTS is a dangerous mind controlling cult and you can see this clear as day right now when of its biggest followers is using children to support his position. This is exactly the game he has been playing by teaching his children… Read more »

to 57
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to 57

you are making the bigest chilul hashem here!!! rabbi rosenfeld acted with out his OWN board. now tell me u defending someone that did something like this…. THATS THE BIGGEST CHILUL HASHEM HERE!! BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE U WE HAVE THESE ISSUES!!!

Keep it up Bochurim
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Keep it up Bochurim

Everyone should make a shturem till the end. Firing staff due to pressure is not OK. It makes me sick to see an innocent Jew be fired. I know he was only trying to do the right thing.

Rabbi Heller take a stand!
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Rabbi Heller take a stand!

Rabbi heller its time to take a stand! You also told bachurim to go. Tell the truth and don’t stand by the blood of your brother!if you can make a mistake than so can he, stick up for justice!

yanky bennish
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yanky bennish

As the rebbe tolds us. ‘WHEN IT HURTS, SCREAM!!’ this campaign is not chv’s against the hanhola’s hayeshiva. It is against the decision taken by the board. In private conversations with senior mashpim and roshei misvta, they all think its ridiculous that the board has taken away whats good for us, only to bolster their own image and to buckle under pressure.

Thank you for being the only
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Thank you for being the only

Thank you for being the only person or yeshivah to take a stand. Keep strong. In this community unfortunately you’re darned if you do and darned if you don’t. To be a leader is to have a principal and stick to it
וכל מי שעוסקים בצרכי ציבור באמונה הקב”ה ישלם שכרם because you won’t get it from people. This is what kept you going all these years ויאריך ימים על ממלכתו בבריאות הנכונה

a caring mother..
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a caring mother..

i have a child in chader and in zal

rabbi sternberg is a great man and he should NOT BE THROWN OUT he help[s my son tremendously!!!!!!!! I AM CRYING WHEN I WRITE THIS FOR MY SON AND ALSO FOR RABBI STERNBERG THIS IS CRAZY IM SURE THEY WILL LISTEN TO HIS TALMIDIM AND BRING HIM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bochur for 67
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bochur for 67

If not Rabbi Sternberg I wouldn’t be frum today, b”h I have a chasidishe family on shlichus today.
thank you Rabbi Sternberg

TO YANKY BENNISH
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TO YANKY BENNISH

great comment!!! kol hakovod!!

big mistake - r rosenfeld
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big mistake - r rosenfeld

R Sternberg is the best mashpia out there, extremely understanding of todays bochurim, I know at least 15 bochurim would have been on the streets today if not R Sternberg

If OT cared about the boys
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If OT cared about the boys

They would not remove obviously well regarded staff.
There must be something else here, follow the money!

Rabbi Rosenfeld
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Rabbi Rosenfeld

I don’t envy you. Average person writing a comment doesn’t even do a fraction of what you do yet everyone become a דעה זאגער be strong

Va'ad??
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Va'ad??

doesn’t OT have I Va’ad, how can R Rosenfeld make dessicions on his own, why doesn’t the va’ad decide such an important matter

Stupid move by OT..
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Stupid move by OT..

1. About COTS, he completely admits that he made a big mistake, ( which will not have any effect on his future as a mashpia. ) 2. About what he said about Tanya.. Idk who you are who wrote that comment but The REBBE SENT PEOPLE TO PROFFESSIONALS .. Obviously Tanya talks about it, but Tanya isn’t the first step when suffering with a serious issue.. Now let’s face the facts.. ALOT OF BOCHURIM NEED HELP… And they need more then a mashpia that will tell them masiach dais and the like… It’s very narrow-minded to call that a stira… Read more »

To #4  Concerned Parent
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To #4 Concerned Parent

It may be an idea, Concerned Parent, for you to gather the parents of your son’s class, follow the example the bochurim, and appeal to the Hanholo as a group.

Sternberg
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Sternberg

a true chassidishe Yid, understands chassidus and able to relate to bochurim. bad move of OT

these bochurim are right
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these bochurim are right

rabbi sternberg is a chassidsher guy i dont think he intended bad at all. just becuse he made a mistake doesnet mean you need to fire him.

Leadership
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Leadership

Rabbi Rosenfeld is showing true leadership. Of course the mushpaim of R’ Sternberg will stage a protest, and Im sure no one involved in this decision thought for a moment that it will go down easily. But real leadership, means making tough and unpopular decisions. Finally a little light in the darkness, we see someone taking a stand on something. I just hope he stays strong. Otherwise its the tail wagging the dog. There is no way the bochurim could know what is or isn’t from the outside – after all, their view of the “inside” was given to them… Read more »

Mother
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Mother

My son was having a very hard time untill this year when rabbi Sternberg helped him out tremendously, he was doing so well, I’m very worried for him, how can they sacrifice life’s of bochrim for politics….

Brainwashed
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Brainwashed

Bachurim might be brainwashed by COTS techniques
It’s not so poshut
They don’t realize that rabbi needs to de program and the come back

rabbi rosenfeld
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rabbi rosenfeld

we love you and are behind you 100 percent!!!!!!!!1

to #57
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to #57

You are probably right, you should send home 51 bochurim from yeshiva for wanting their mashpia back! Maybe you should be the new Rosh yeshiva too!? (this was sarcastic)

rabbi sternberg is the best!!!!!
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rabbi sternberg is the best!!!!!

there is nobody like rabbi sternberg!!!

#70
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#70

the bochurim wrote the letter themselves. they are not children, they are 20, old enough to get married and start their own lives. They feel very strongly about this. I know as a parent, what a positive impact R Sternberg has had on my son and his friends. it is literally because of him that they are all in the system. How dare you make an anonymous judgement call? If you are so sure of yourself, then post your name, if not, please refrain from the loshon hora.

Rabbi Rosenfeld
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Rabbi Rosenfeld

I am not ging into the issue if rabbi sterberg was right or wrong but one thing i know is that I trust Rabbi Rosenfeld and any of his decisions 1000% his devotion for the yeshiva is just undescribable, hos care and love for ALL the Talmidin in the yeshiva is no to tbe desctribed – so I have to respect his decission what ever it may be

Hatzlocho Rabbo Rabbi Rosemfeld vryarich yomov al mimlachtoi miy gezunt un arichas yomin

OT BOCHUR
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OT BOCHUR

Agreed with 89…
I am being matzliach this year only because of R. Sternberg..
He is a very chassidisher yid that happens to also have a chush in real life issues…

John
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John

Is there a way for rabbi sternbergs תלמידים לשעבר to sign the petition as well! I am against cots but OT needs sternberg!

Proud Ulehtayrenik
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Proud Ulehtayrenik

Lets get real, if your son is on the brink, who do you want him to talk to, R’ Yoiel? Or someone who REALLY KNOWS WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE THE CHALLENGES OF TODAY and prevailed. Many mashpi’im are bevchinas “Yaakov”. R’ Sternberg is helping bochurim stay IN the system and FIGHT their problems so they don’t go through life resenting that noone cared when they really needed it. he is giving them a sense of YISROEL…. Kulom ahuvim, etc., including and especially Rabbi Rosenfeld. If you cut his veins. Oholei Torah would flow out. But please OT dont throw… Read more »

Hashem should help
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Hashem should help

The REBBE would scream about this..
Firing someone who positively influenced more bochurim than people working in OT for triple the amount of time than him..

oholei torah
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oholei torah

has standards.
they fired because they felt these standards were breached.
many of us mothers are very concerned about having cots-minded people teaching our children.
most do not know (esp. bochurim) whats cots-minded and whats not.
EVERYONE has to start listening to rabbanim.
the cots goers
and the schools

focus
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focus

on more positive things hatazlah is having a raffle lets gear our energy to supporting this amazing cause and bring harmony to our community

A Mochlokes Shel Korach
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A Mochlokes Shel Korach

I hope that everyone, from hanhala to bochurim, understands how these alternative-therapy people have caused all of this mochlokes. It is time for a statement of Mi L’Hashem Alai!

Chazak V’Amatz R’ Rosenfeld And The Entire Hanhalla!!! Let the adas Korach bring their aish zara.

Proactive
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Proactive

Unfortunotly Rabbi Sternburg is the only proactive member of Hanholoh in OT Zal, I don’t believe any other Mashpia would get this kind of support from the bochrim.
If you need to make an example out of someone there is another :anholoh member who is equily responsibleand more being that he is in a greater level of influence in the moised, maybe he should be fired.

a former student
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a former student

Rabbi sternberg is a real Mashpia that really cares for his talmidim, I was his talmid back in 5764 and he was the ONLY one in Oholei Torah that took any interest in me.

Maybe that's why...
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Maybe that's why...

During the past few years there have been a steady and noticeable decline in yiras shamayim in the CH compared to otyher neighborhoods. Now we know the reason. The COTS cult infiltrated our holy schools be way of the teachers. ALL teacher who went to COTS must be removed. The only way to cure cancer is by radical surgery. Unless they go to Shea Hecht and he deprograms them and he certifies to that they were deprogrammed.

Proud
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Proud

Until now i thought their was no hope for Lubavitch, but seeing intelligent, articulate, caring, proactive Bochurim who are not afraid to take a dignified stance against what they believe is an injustice (true or not) perpetrated against their Mashpia, fill me with pride and a hope for Lubavitch’s future. Mark my words, these young men are the future of Lubavitch. (can you imagine how much could be achieved if we followed their lead, say with Rubashkin for example) I’m sure this peaceful resistance would make Ghandi and Mandella very proud. To all those who doubt the veracity of the… Read more »

Collive
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Collive

Hi, First of all, I’d like to thank you for all the incredible work you do in general and specifically in this case when this topic clearly needed to be put in the spotlight so proper decisions can be made and respected people can step up to the plate, as in the asifa. U really saved this situation. On that note, I just have a request to keep up to your amazing standards -Like prooofreading the comments. The bochrim commenting are young and please remove the language which makes others feel uncomfortable. Thank you and yasher koach for your commitment… Read more »

Shame on you
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Shame on you

You bochurim should be ashamed of yourselves, oheli torah is “al tharas hokodesh” COTS is NOT!
He doesn’t deserve to be teaching…..!!!

The Goose With The Golden Eggs
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The Goose With The Golden Eggs

This is COMPLETELY STUPID. OT is missing the crux of the issue: WHAT BROUGHT US HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?? That people felt that nobody was speaking THEIR language, mashpiim were talking AT them but not TOO them. Sternberg was different, er fahrshait ah bochur, and has done amazing things for so many bochurim. So, he made a mistake, but at least he’s doing what he can to deal with the issues. He’s part of the SOLUTION not the problem. Like in the story of The Goose with the golden eggs: “One day a countryman going to the nest of… Read more »

Dr. Spinner
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Dr. Spinner

This is just shocking, I don’t know what to say.
And then they wonder why people leave the system.
This is supposed to be a time of healing.
In medieval times Rabbi Sternberg would have been burned at the stake, in Japan asked to commit Hari-kiri,
I’m proud of you bochrim for standing up for what’s right.
Hashem Ya’azor!

I support you rabbi rosenfield!
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I support you rabbi rosenfield!

Good on OT for taking a stand on this critical issue!!
Perhaps once sternberg and goldstien have done complete teshuva and prove to be capable of returning to Chinuch, they will be allowed back into the Mossad.

Until then, they are not in a position to educate our children.

The youth need to show the way
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The youth need to show the way

Good for you OT buchurim for standing up for whats right!!

a Talmid for many years
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a Talmid for many years

He does so much good. many people make up so many lies about him, he’s helped so many bochurim, yungerlait, people vechlulu.

Sternberg
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Sternberg

he’s a great guy – keep the positive energy!!!

Bachurim are wrong
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Bachurim are wrong

Whether rabbi Sternberg should be fired or not is a question that the OT faculty, the people involved and the Rabonim should decide.

The Bachurim have no say in this. There was never any doubt to the abilities of these Mashpiim. The bachurim need to mix out because their opinions carry no weight at all. They need to sit down down and learn. No Bachur anywhere should be outside picketing, and no Bachur should ever be questioning the decisions of Hanhala. Where is the Kabolas Ol?

Olam Hafuch Raeisi. Naar katan yinhag Bum.

I support Rabbi Rosenfeld!
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I support Rabbi Rosenfeld!

1000%!!

to 116
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to 116

Sternberg and Goldstein are EXPERTS in Chinuch, we need more such guys.
They only add positivity to the system, something which we need.

I really hope OHOLEI TORAH does complete Teshuva

I like 114
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I like 114

What 114 wrote clicks with me:
“Sternberg was different, ER FARSHTEIT A BOCHUR, and has done amazing things for so many bochurim”

Why do bad things happen to good people?

Oholei Torah Alumni
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Oholei Torah Alumni

Rabbi Sternberg is the best Mashpia I ever had

Father
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Father

If it’s based on landmark, it can be problematic, especially with youth who are easy to convert. I don’t know that COTS is not useful, maybe very useful, but teachers of young people have to be extra careful and if they aren’t, they should step down.
I only wish the school would have dealt with abuse, which is a much more serious and common problem, in such a swift way.

RABBI ROSENFELD
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RABBI ROSENFELD

IS DEDICATED TO WHATS BEST FOR THE BUCHURIM

Go normal bochurim!
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Go normal bochurim!

Go bochurim

Chutzpa!!!
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Chutzpa!!!

Whether you think you are right or wrong, no Bochur should be protesting and writing letters against Hanhalah. What a Chutzpa!!!

If you have a complaint, complain. But protest???

Goes against the very fabric of the Rebbe’s Yeshiva – Kabolas Ol.

Rabbi Rosenfeld
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Rabbi Rosenfeld

Rabbi Rosenfeld is the best dean of any mosed in crown heights

they should
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they should

have at least given him a warning. he has a wife and kids to take care of!

schools
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schools

I thought schools are established to raise their students in maturity and spiritality. Since when do schools stand on politics? Two talents were disposed of because they threaten the name of the school? Interesting

Kol HaKavod to the Bochurim
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Kol HaKavod to the Bochurim

These young men penned a powerful and beautiful letter. They clearly have a deep grasp of the issues. I hope their passionate convictions and good words will resonate throughout the community. They have made a compelling case for a teacher/mashpia who has truly inspired them in the correct ways, and has shown maturity and accountability in the face of great challenges. So many young men need Rabbi Sternberg’s wise counsel now more than ever. He, more than anybody, understands what they went through and are currently experiencing. And I’ve been a vocal opponent to this shofar group from the start,… Read more »

mothers
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mothers

are not chas vshalom about any person in particular,
we have a general concern if our boys teachers are pure or not.
cots goers have been incorporating ideas with their students- who would NEVER know its not our way.
that being said- we must ALL start following the Rabanim
about not being tied to cots
and about not firing (if they actually said that)

former talmid of ot
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former talmid of ot

It’s your lost ot. Shlomo Sternberg is one of a kind. He wil be hired somewhere else in very fast

R Rosenfeld
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R Rosenfeld

I think what rabbi Rosenfeld did was 100% right let me see all u guys run a yeshiva so amazing like him
It gives me chizuk to see OT excel under his lead

ma shyihieh yihieh
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ma shyihieh yihieh

it is what it is. even though i think that this was a major mistake for oholei torah, protests, and arguments will not solve the case. its in hakodosh boruch hu’s hands.

i have spoken.

Smart
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Smart

Very smart decision r Rosenfeld completely with u on this one

Rabbi rosenfeld
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Rabbi rosenfeld

I support rabbi rosenfeld 100%

SHAME ON YOU OHOLEI TORAH
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SHAME ON YOU OHOLEI TORAH

RABBI STERNBERG IS ALLWAYS THERE FOR THE BOCHURIM!

HE GOES FAR BEYOND HIS JOB DESCRIPTION REQUIREMENTS, AND HELPS BOCHURIM WITH NO LIMITATIONS!

IS THIS WHAT HE DESERVES?

VERY IMPORTANT!!!!! MUST READ!!!!!!
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VERY IMPORTANT!!!!! MUST READ!!!!!!

TO ALL THOSE SAYING IT’S GOOD HE WAS FIRED BECAUSE NEXT YEAR THEY HAVE A SON GOING TO ZAL AND THEY DON’T WANT HIM WITH RABBI STERBERG, WELL GUESS WHAT, THERE ARE ANOTHER 7 MASHPIYIM YOUR SON COULD GO TO, SO WHAT DO YOU CARE IF HE STAYS WITH BOCHURIM (AND PARENTS) THAT LIKE HIM.
WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR ISSUE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Congratulations
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Congratulations

Bravo, boys for standing up for what you believe in and throwing your unwavering support behind your beloved teacher and mentor. I think the letter was extremely intelligent and well written. May you always take bold moves towards taking a stance for your values
Kol Hakavod

Yes!
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Yes!

finally someone taking a positive stance

help?!
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help?!

anyone who wants to help pl email: [email protected]

john
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john

Is there a way for past students to sign the petition?

Rabbi Rosenfeld
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Rabbi Rosenfeld

Is the best

Yossel
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Yossel

Again, I say those who followed the COT are looking for spirituality. With all due respect to our Rabbis, long speeches yelling at us for not learning enough Chassidus cannot replace the spiritual experiences we had when the Rebbe was here b’gashmius.

Rabbi Rosenfeld
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Rabbi Rosenfeld

I am sure that you made the right decision

IF THE WHOLE CLASS LIKES HIM WHAT'S THE PROBLEM!?
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IF THE WHOLE CLASS LIKES HIM WHAT'S THE PROBLEM!?

LET HIM CONTINUE TEACHING TO WHOEVER WANT’S TO BE IN HIS CLASS (WITH THEIR PARENTS PERMISSION) AND END OF DEAL, IF YOU DON’T LIKE HIM, DON’T SEND YOUR SON TO HIS CLASS AND IF YOU REALLY DON’T LIKE HIM, TELL YOUR SON TO MAKE SURE NOT TO SPEAK TO HIM, BUT TO FIRE HIM WHEN HIS WHOLE CLASS LIKES HIM, PLEASE!?

Big fan
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Big fan

Rabbi Sternberg is the best chassidus teacher I have ever had his clarity is unmatched

Zalman Goldstein?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zalman Goldstein?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What? Really? This can’t be!!! I’m….speechless. Such a devoted chossid AND REAL MECHANECH!!! This is so shocking.

Learn from Rabbi Sternberg
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Learn from Rabbi Sternberg

Rabbi Sternberg was mivatel himself and admitted he was wrong. Now Ohelai Torah needs to do the same.

oh vah
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oh vah

the saton dresesz in a zidina zupezer

Ch
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Ch

Good for the Bochurim! Speak up to voice your opinion of your Mashpia! As for those who are worried about Chutzpah on the part of the Bochurim, I say this: If adults in our community on so many levels can’t behave themselves to do the right things, at least let the Bochurim speak up, and not be victims of warring adults of their community.

i need a list
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i need a list

i need a list of all these boys. they are clueless of what the rabbanim are saying.

right thing to do
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right thing to do

I think a right thing to do is NOT TO FIRE THEM
A suspension for a couple of month to let all this shofer business vanish and allow them to deprogram, and also to show that OT has his standards and is not an efker

Trust rabbi Rosenfels decision
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Trust rabbi Rosenfels decision

The desire of the buchrim is totally relatable I understand that they greatly want that their rabbi come back. But they must understand that what is best for them is not always clear(especially to their naive minds) they will have to take in to account that what yeshiva does is really for their best. Rabbi Rosenfeld only does things that will help and benefit the buchrim and sometimes that can be hard on both sides; I’m sure it took a lot for rabbi Rosenfels to do what he HAD to do yet he took into account what was the absolute… Read more »

can't believe it
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can't believe it

this does not seem to make sense at all. to very devoted mechanchim to be treated this way?

 One question please
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One question please

Does the Hanholo believe that anyone was doing anything undesirable INTENTIONALLY?

More than Mashpia
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More than Mashpia

Rabbi Sternberg isn’t just amazing in helping Bochurim, he is amazing at helping Yungerlite and Alterlite in Crown Heights and around the world.
(First hand witness)

Kalman Ha'Ksil and Boruch Ha’Batlan
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Kalman Ha'Ksil and Boruch Ha’Batlan

We are looking for jobs. Where do we send our resume’ for the position? Neither one of us went to cots, we never slept in a cot and we would never suggest anyone sleep in a cot. We don’t even drink Cott Soda.

Our mission statement in chinuch al tahas hakodesh is to keep bochurim in Chinuch Oholei Torah School (COTS) and away from College Of The State (COTS). Our salary expectations is low, we are Cheap Of The Shelf (COTS).

To Rabbi Sternberg
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To Rabbi Sternberg

To Rabbi Sternberg:
I know you’re not reading this, but keep it up, we love you and support you. You are the best, and all those who know you know that.

chaval al d'avdin
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chaval al d'avdin

I know rabbi Z goldstein personally. He is a real expert Mechanech. Halevay there were more Mechanchim as knowledgeable as he is in Chinuch. Those are the guys we need in our system.

I don’t think this move is good for our system

Levi G
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Levi G

It’s incredible how they care so much about the buchrim to strip them of a teacher as divoted as Rabbi S.
Please, do research investigate all the time and being proactive in assisting the mechanchim who are so dedicated and focused to continue to be.
This is probably the worst example the school can demonstrate to its pupil of how to deal with issues
I’m just blown away.

copy of 125
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copy of 125

I also am a past student and would sign this petition, is there a way to do that?

to 37 and 124
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to 37 and 124

Is it [email protected]
or Supportsternberg with the U and O?

BTW I support you guys

Why fire him?
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Why fire him?

If someone doesn’t like him, so he should make sure he is not in his class, but that shouldn’t effect the Bochurim that like him like myself, and my parents are really happy with my big improvements from this year thanks to him.

Thank you rabbi rosenfeld
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Thank you rabbi rosenfeld

I could not agree more with rabbi Rosenfeld. He has truly saved our community and the future of lubavitch. One does not begin to understand the severity of COTS and the negative effect that it can cause. In every generation there is a challenge this obviously is our we must stand up and fight the bad influences it can have on u. If u look and the golus of yuvon u will see it started with a small yud and slowly strengthen to a long nun don’t let the yud go farther we must stop it now!!! Rabbi Rosenfeld I… Read more »

Somebody trying to understand
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Somebody trying to understand

I totally understand the concern of the Bochurim and many others, being that most of the information that is going around is either from rumors or coming from online (which is usually rumors as well) and from there their imagination only grows. I didn’t realize how far people’s minds take them, Oholei Torah is a yeshiva which has been successfully running for years now, it’s not the first time they have had to deal with big issues such as this, so it only makes sense to say that they thought it out a bit before, and they didn’t just wake… Read more »

Shaya
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Shaya

ב”ה I know Rabbi Sternberg personally. He had a great effect on my chavairim and myself filling our minds and hearts with true Yiras Shomayim. He helped me understand Toras Chasidus in a way that I live with today and use these tools in my day to day life. I feel most definitely that he is a true Chosid of the Rebbeh. I hope that he continue teaching and we can keep learning from him to be a true Chosid who fulfills the Ratzon of the Rebbeh with true Miseras Nefesh and joy. I hope that my chavairim see him… Read more »

re: 2 caring mechanchim
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re: 2 caring mechanchim

Hot headed decisions kill years of work…
I would apologize and ask these staff to come back.

either way, knowing r’ zalman and r’ shloimy personally, they are the both very aidele chassidishe and mature yungeleit who would continue being such amazing mechanchim regardless if rosenfeld knows how to respect them simply because they REALLY care for chinuch

Impressed
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Impressed

I don’t know if Bochurim belong commenting on COL, but I really enjoyed to see all these Bochurim step up stick up for their Mashpia.

Isn’t that so nice.

Go Sternberg Go!
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Go Sternberg Go!

Sternberg is a great guy, I know him first hand.
All the guys saying bad about him are lies or out of context. they’re just bored or dumb.

125
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125

Yes. Email [email protected]

appaling
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appaling

how on earth can they fire him without prior warning

I SUPPORT RABBI ROSENFELD
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I SUPPORT RABBI ROSENFELD

It’s tough decisions like these that make him and the yeshivah he built with the Rebbes brachos a success story.
He is a man of integrity, love for the Rebbe, and deep love for every single one of Oholei Torahs talmidim. Do I understand every decision he makes? No. But I sure thank Gd that I’m not in his position!!

Gd bless him until 180 healthy and well.

– A grateful parent

this is true and thats why i repeat it
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this is true and thats why i repeat it

Shame on R. Sternberg for using children! R. Sternberg and supporters should be ashamed of hemselves for using children as pawns in his and Steven Frischling game. This is a form of abuse of power and manipulations which clearly reflects the cult manipulation of COTS. It is crystal clear from the “students” letter that they are being used by COTS to achieve their political ends. COTS is a dangerous mind controlling cult and you can see this clear as day right now when of its biggest followers is using children to support his position. This is exactly the game he… Read more »

curriculum development
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curriculum development

Since rabbi Goldstein became Menahel so many advancements were made in chinuch: Chumash is taught by teaching skills, not just raddling off pesukim, there’s a gemara program that he started and is continuing through eighth grade, he introduced rabbi pogro to all of the crown heights Mosdos…. And he is fired? For what? For trying to encourage growth!!!

A Yid
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A Yid

Herr a mayseh. Bochurim proclaiming that everything the mashpia was teaching came only from chassiduss without any tainting from other sources.

Question: Why the do they need a mashpiya if they are such mevinim on Chassiduss?

What kind of chinuch is this?
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What kind of chinuch is this?

What kind of chinuch is this that bochurim have the chutzpah to question hanholoh and tell them what the Rebbe’s moised should do!??

Silver lining.
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Silver lining.

If I can find a silver lining to this, its that other teachers will finally smell the coffee and realize that there is accountability in our moisdos!

OT where is your BACKONE?!?
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OT where is your BACKONE?!?

If you think these people are dangerous/brainwashed etc. then you should be firing ALL those who atteneded – obviously you are just covering your lack of attention to school issues and letting it out on two excellent Mechanchim!

To OT
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To OT

This is pure anti-Semitism
I really feel that someone is picking on him because he has a grudge against him

Rabbi Rosenfeld's letter repeats itself
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Rabbi Rosenfeld's letter repeats itself

Why are there 3 paragraphs in Rabbi Rosenfeld’s letter that are repeated twice?
Who proofreads anymore?

I don't understand?
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I don't understand?

I don’t think he was actually fired.

So sad for ot
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So sad for ot

It’s sad to see ot loose such an amazing staff member he was so good for my child and worked with him when we had a situation going on , no other principle ever worked with my kid more then rabbi Zalmen Goldstein did we wil miss you rabbi Goldstein and how lucky Is the next school that finds you

Zaa
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Zaa

Let’s not forget Zalman Goldstein who is also an amazing person. He certainly too does not deserve this.

Lubavitch Yeshiva or Morristown
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Lubavitch Yeshiva or Morristown

Grab these bonafide mashpiim and mechanchim.

ot big mistake
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ot big mistake

You’re completely in the wrong for firing rabbi sternberg (and Zalman goldstein for that matter)

A distraught parent

Kalman Ha'Ksil and Boruch Ha’Batlan
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Kalman Ha'Ksil and Boruch Ha’Batlan

We are looking for jobs. Where do we send our resume’ for the positions? Neither one of us went to cots, we never slept in a cot and we would never suggest anyone sleep in a cot. We don’t even drink Cott Soda. Our mission statement in chinuch al tahas hakodesh is to keep bochurim in Chinuch Oholei Torah School (COTS) and away from College Of The State (COTS). Our salary expectations is low, we are Cheap Off The Shelf (COTS). When bochurim need therapy we will only send them to our friend Homer at Call Of The Simpsons (COTS).… Read more »

for the maspea
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for the maspea

take into consideration that only 3 out of 51 from his cllas went to the program, that means that he actually thought before he sent anyone there allot, and only if he really thote that a stodant suold go he wanted to know if it is a right thing to do and even if they realy neaded it he wouldn’t send them there if he was told that it was a ronge thing to do and only sent the students there after he went there to make soure that he would come back safely and only then did he sent… Read more »

toishav
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toishav

I feel bad for the both of them BUT it was long in coming..just don’t like their derech .those that really know them know what I mean…the bochurim will figure them out in a couple of years when they will mature-Simply put-how can I explain-their way isn’t the way of our fathers..you wouldn’t find our fathers – not in a million years-doing their narisher techniques.enough said.

Glad They are out
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Glad They are out

They got exactly what they needed. Who asked them to bring this garbage to our shichuna?

They did not are about the Rebbe
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They did not are about the Rebbe

Obviously, these 2 teachers did not care at all for what the Rebbe wanted. It is sad. But let them find other jobs elsewhere. Sorry

Zalman Goldstien
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Zalman Goldstien

Poor Guy!! I swear he means well! he wanted to better himself. To go and make COTS’ issue his issue is pure sinas chinam.

Zalman we love you!
Truth WILL prevail!

WHY ZALMAN GOLDSTEIN?!???!!
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WHY ZALMAN GOLDSTEIN?!???!!

this cant be. i cant believe it.

incredibly sad
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incredibly sad

how sad – if sternberg were truly repentant he would be telling his bachurim NOT to get involved. This is not the 1960’s – are we going to be burning flags next? Sternberg is obviously encouraging these guys to create chaos. Hey why not get the “occupy wall street” guys involved? If bachurim are allowed to harass the hanhala “wall steet occupier’s” will be the next step. “iz az achen vay tzu unz!!

to 38
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where is written such HALACHA ?
not in shulchan aruch nor alter rebbe’s shulchan aruch
and probably nor even in the latest poskim
don’t mix the toire in your thoughts, say it for you self !!!

this article and all the comments
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this article and all the comments

is against rabbi sternbergs own will
1- i am sure that he is not happy that this is public
2- and bichlal going on the internet is not his thing
p.s. מקען אויפטאן אסאך מערער שטילערהייט

our dear zalman!!
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our dear zalman!!

such an amazing and inspiring chossid and colleague. he doesnt deserve this at all

Rosenfelds
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Rosenfelds

I hope they did a proper investigation. For public imbaresment, you pay the price in this world and the next. Go Bochurim. You are the most powerful force we have in this planet.

Big mistake, Rabbi Sternberg is the one of the best mashpias out there
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Big mistake, Rabbi Sternberg is the one of the best mashpias out there

Oholei Torah owes Rabbi Sternberg an apology. A Din Torah is in place at this time.

Dissapointed
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Dissapointed

Why does OT give into pressure so easily?

BH we have a Mossed thats not afraid to do whats right!
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BH we have a Mossed thats not afraid to do whats right!

OT did the right thing by telling these hanhalah members to step down for the time being. They must be ACCOUNTABLE for their action when dealing with our young delicate children. this is not to Chas V’sholom say that they are terrible ppl rather they are educators that have erred and need to step aside until its determined that they are fit to again inspire and educate “al taaharas hakodesh” How dare anyone openly question the holy and dedicated work of R Rosenfeld? HOW ARE YOU NOT ASHAMED!?! all of you bochurim that think they know better and yes, also… Read more »

Everyone should read comment 114
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Everyone should read comment 114

Yes # 114 You write very well! you are the Very Best!!!

Narisheh kinder
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Narisheh kinder

Rabbi sternberg and zalman goldstein take your followers and go open a Frishling movement and get out of crown heights.unless you admit you made a mistake and willing to go depprogram. tell your chassidim that you erred innocently and they will surely take you back.

Former OTnik
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Former OTnik

Rabbi Sternberg was my best Chassidus teacher too!

OT needs good principals
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OT needs good principals

Did they really fire him??!!
Every Chinuch seminar I went to, I saw Z. Goldstien there.
I think that says something about him.
He is a pro in chinuch and it was a great move that OT got him as a principal. A principal needs to be someone who is a real pro in chinuch.
We need him.

Yea!
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Yea!

Bochurim you have no idea how much power you have keep it up

Zalman Goldstein has chinuch in his blood
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Zalman Goldstein has chinuch in his blood

Zalman Goldstein who grew up with one of the best mechanchem, has been a amazing principal and a mentch
how dear they fire him , Shame on OT

To comment 113!!!!!!
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To comment 113!!!!!!

You seem very lost. Please, keep your close mindedness to yourself. Better yet maybe get help so you don’t abuse, the gift of speech hashem has given you.

CH resident
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CH resident

The sad thing is that with all the hysteria about COTS and firing teachers, there is a deafening silence about a burning issue we have in our community: our chinuch system!! (Particularly for our boys). We need to take a hard look at how and what we are teaching our children – it should not be information to regurgitate, but rather skills and critical thinking, and an inspiration to a)maintain interest in learning throughout Yeshiva b)inspire our boys/Bochurim to continue learning after they are no longer required to by the confines of the Yeshiva structure. How many of our sons/graduates… Read more »

act quick!
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act quick!

some Lucky moised should quickly hire these wonderfull talented devoted mechanchim before they are rehired!! you probably don’t have much time…

The Bochrim Mean Well But You Really Have No Idea Nebach
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The Bochrim Mean Well But You Really Have No Idea Nebach

Every person who has been to COTS has been affected to some degree at least. I’ve spoken to quite a few who have gone and it isn’t always obvious at first but when speaking with them a bit more, the verimul sitting in their brain comes out eventually. Let experts and Rabonim decide. Bochurim for you own good let it be. Let Rabonim and mumchim decide. Sure he’s a great mashpia and a very good guy but he’s been effected in a way that he needs to be deprogrammed from the verimlach that were inserted into his subcouncious by mind… Read more »

Yasher koach, boys!
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Yasher koach, boys!

Forget the specific issue, people! Can’t you see that the only way Tomchei Tmimim has a chance of becoming what it once was is through ahavas yisroel between bochrim and hanhala like this? It sounds like a story out of Likutei dibburim! They love their mashpia!

First an incredibly positive, unifying asifa, and now this! This whole nisayon is already bearing incredible pairos and iy”h could lead to the repair of the entire lubavitch. Boruch Hashem

#110
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#110

You can’t be serious?

I hope you’re joking…

all my friends from ot
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all my friends from ot

I’m sorry to say when you actively promote and send bochurim to such a place, when you affect more then a fewe people life. Yes there is a thing of repentance, but sometimes you need have a repentance in a new place and start over.

GOOO BOCHURIM!!!!!
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GOOO BOCHURIM!!!!!

yeah fINALY SOME “BREITKYTE” in tje right place
kol hakavod
as a OT graduate i was never a talmid of sternberg.
but i saw first hand his devotion
ALL BOCHURIM IN OT not just his talmidim should prottest

Being chassidish has nothing to do with being right
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Being chassidish has nothing to do with being right

Maybe Goldstein & Sternberg are very chassdish ppl but that does not give them the right to send children to unlicensed therapy

The Rebbe's directive
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The Rebbe's directive

How many times did the Rebbe speak about bochurim not getting involved in politics

rosenfeld means well
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rosenfeld means well

it is inappropriate for bochurim to protest like this.

משפיעים
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משפיעים

צריכים לשאול הבחורים והמשפיעים כמה פעמים הרבי צעק על זה שבחורים מישן זיך אריין אין מחלוקת ובפרט בתומכי תמימים

DEJA  VU
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DEJA VU

ONCE AGAIN , THE ADMINISTRATION, AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE BOARD, AND WITHOUT CONSENT FROM RABBONIM, IS BOWING UNDER PRESSURE FROM CERTAIN MASHPIYEM IN THE YESHIVA. THE IRONY IS THAT THESE MASHPIYEM WERE THEMSELVES INVOLVED, AND EVEN SUPPORTIVE OF COTS AT ONE TIME. THEY WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN THE PAST OF THE LOSS OF RABBI PIEKARSKI TO THE YESHIVA WHICH WAS DETRIMENTAL TO THE YESHIVA, AND ARE NOW DOING THE SAME DUE TO INTERNAL POLITICS. RABBI ROSENFELD SHOULD UNDO THIS INJUSTICE, AND STOP BOWING TO PRESSURE BY THOSE WITH A MESHICHIST AGENDA THAT IS CONSIDERED BY MANY TO ALSO BE A… Read more »

196 please!
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196 please!

That’s your mind speaking. Relax.

The rabbanim gave clear advice. The teachers should not have been asked to leave.

The bochurim truly value sternberg.

Students attention
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Students attention

The bochrim have being exposed to COTS techniques.
Mind controlling throug revealing their vulnerability ( saying the problems in the dark etc)
Bochrim are affected feeling dependency ( this is what COTs accomplish)
RS. Has Not To BE FIRED. Just take a vacation of a couple month to DE Program and staying away from giving advice to anyone
After this process you can come back

196. us the bochrim
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196. us the bochrim

NO ONE, I SAY NO ONE is encouraging us. We feel violated and hurt as recipients of this. All we want is him to be our mashpia, gives us a shuir FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR. It will save him, his dignity, his family amd others. WE ARE MAKING A SHTUREM BC WE CARE FOR HIM LIKE HE CARED FOR US!!! AND YES, WE WILL NOT STOP …EVEN IF WE HAVE TO GET TO WALL STREET JOURNAL. UNTIL SOMEONE CHANGES SOMETHINGS. let him take a week off. Let him be suspended for his cots actions. DEPROGRAMMED! but fired??? Are… Read more »

Look at us Bochurim we make Lubavitch Proud
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Look at us Bochurim we make Lubavitch Proud

Do we know Tanya B.P. ???
How Many mesechtas do we know leyuna ???
How many mamorai do we know ???
Do we have Shmiras Hazman ???
Oh yes do we go every friday on mivtzoim ???
Oh do we daven with a geshmak pirush hamilos ????

But we are proud to Tumul and veiter Tumul
Go ahead show us what you can and mit a shturem
Who is the Hanhola you know best
Signed
Spinoza
and Reform Rabbis for change

PS I have no opinion about the firing
But I dare say no bochur should be involved
My instinct is no Chasidusher bochur and pnimi is involved
Spinoza

A SHLUCHA CONCURS
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A SHLUCHA CONCURS

1. IF R, STERNBERG HAS CHAROT IS THAT NOT GOOD ENOUGH, ONE WHO IS STRICT WITH JUDGEMENT BEGS RIBONO SHL OLAM TO BE THE SAM EWAY TO THEM TOO. 2. KUDOS TO THESE BOCHURIM FOR TAKING A STAND. WHEN SO MANY IN THE SECULAR FIELD ARE PROTESTING TO GET RID OF ELDERS > OUR BOCHURIM OUR FUTURE LEADERS,SHLUCHIM OUR CONTINUITY, ARE SAYING WE NEED OURELDERS ESPECIALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS HELPED BOCHURIM KEEP ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW. DISCLAIMER: I have no affiliation to anyone in OT, just been following back and forth on here… and know this when our youth… Read more »

I'm sorry but something doesn't add up:
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I'm sorry but something doesn't add up:

Most of the commentors over here are missing the point. The Yeshiva didn’t open yesterday and they obviously know a little more than you do. The decision wasn’t made overnight and clearly a lot of thought was put into this. Don’t comment if you don’t know what you are talking about and find out the true facts first. Have a little respect.

I'm not getting it.
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I'm not getting it.

So you all are supporting Bochurim protesting in middle of school? You believe this is the right thing to do? Parents are supposed to teach children to respect Hanhola.

Father
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Father

Zalmen Goldstein is doing an amazing job!! He has a real chush in chinuch

Former student
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Former student

Shloimy Sternberg was my best Mashpia by far!!!

I agree 100% with Rabbi Rosenfeld!
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I agree 100% with Rabbi Rosenfeld!

Yes, Rabbi Sternberg might be an amazing person (I don’t know him), and he may have changed the lives of so many bochurim for the better, but he did something wrong and now he needs to pay the consequences. Good for him that he admitted he did somenhing wrong. That takes a lot of courage. But that doesn’t make it all go away. If he is such a great mechanech, and so into chinuch, there are so many chinuch seminars and workshops that he could go to, all based on Torah and Chassidus (no mind games or brainwashing). I get… Read more »

Really nice to see!
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Really nice to see!

I’m very happy to see the Bochurim standing up for their dedicated teacher and not just giving in to him leaving!

From a parents perspective
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From a parents perspective

As a parent who sent all my children to Oholei Torah, it’s fair to say that Rabbi Rosenfeld is one of the best out there and continues to do such an amazing job running one of the best institutions in the world. However I will point out the following: Has it ever occurred to you that people make mistakes? The dismissal was done by the board, led by Rabbi Joseph Rosenfeld. Their utmost concern is to fill the seats in zal. A lot of pressure came forth from from the community and other yeshivas, pushing for a strong statement. It… Read more »

so many things wrong with this letter....
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so many things wrong with this letter....

everyone stop judging:
you dont really know what these hanhala members may have done
you dont really know everything behind this decision
we dont know a lot of things so y is each one giving his opinion?

bottom line is those who are pro-cots must be analyzed to see if they are fit in chinuch. not to take away from anyones good intentions.

ALL MEAN WELL: ROSENFELD< THE MSHPIIM< COTS FOLLOWERS AND ANTI_COTS. EACH ONE BELIEVES HE IS DOING RIGHT. which is why we have rabanim to follow in EACH situation. and STOP BELIEVING EVERY DETAIL IN EVERY LETTER AND COMMENT.

Kudos JJ
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Kudos JJ

JJ you make me proud. Stand up from what you believe in.
Cousin MW

Puste bochurim
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Puste bochurim

The purpose of a bochur is to seat and learn and not to mixed up in decisions that has to do with the הנהלה

And btw rabbi rosenfeld did the right thing

True
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True

I agree with 177 and 185 rabbi Goldstein is the best

YOU ARE NOT  GETTING IT
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YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT

it only says to step down – perhaps after they are evaluated and deprogrammed and realize they are not into this shtusim any more they will be reinstated. you mothers and bochurim don’t care if he is using his cultish techniques etc.

Mother
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Mother

What scares me is that these mechanichim were not able to recognize that COTS is hepech derech hachassidus.

When I first heard about COTS (way before it was publisized on the websites) I was disgusted by the way the retreats program revolves around “ich”. I was further disturbed to hear that people who learn and teach chassidus would have a need or attraction to such a ‘misnagdishe’ program.

When these mechanchim made the choice to join such a program, they automatically jeopardized their position in a chassidushe mossad.

Keep strong Rabbi Rosenfeld. We support you!

Protest
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Protest

Before your support of any type of protest by Bochrim, it would be correct to see what the Rebbe has to say about this: Lkutei Sichos volume 25 page 344.

Truth
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Truth

You can’t trust any of these comments. Thier all biased all those comments “he was the best mashpia, because of him I’m frum” etc… For all you know could be written by him or his family…

To #191
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To #191

Reb yid, in your fathers days bochurim weren’t running around with smartphones etc… Times have changes new techniques are needed!

did thay ask a rav
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did thay ask a rav

wich rav did thay ask before dooing this only from there will we know if thay did the Right thing and i dont meen politics just simply wich rav!

TO 230
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TO 230

O YA, I KNOW OF A FRIEND WH TOOK OUT THEIR SON BEC. HE DIDN’T DO THAT EXCELLENT JOB(NO CAPS INTENDED)
and for all the bochurim there, i believe if rabbi Sternberg had sincere charoto and does not have this addiction anymore he would have been back. no one knows anything what is going on so why not approach hanholo privately maybe you would get answers.

Long term
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Long term

Saving the list of bocherim as families I don’t want my kids marrying into, plus the meshicists, plus the people running mosids, does that leave anyone?

#232
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#232

“but what do they know about COTS? Whatever they see online and hear at their shabbos table??”

Seems like that’s all you know about it as well.

228
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228

this is just their way of doing things.
you are right. they have been around for a while and people see a sorry pattern of the way they do things.

Shocked Parent
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Shocked Parent

I am shocked with the way and speed that OT dealt with this. This should have required much more investigation and time and not simply to buckle under pressure. I am now getting the feeling that most of the decisions made are due to pressure from bitter people and not for the sake of EMES. I hope these two wonderful true mechanchim take OT to a Din Torah and I am sure they will win and get their job back. Especially since the Psak clearly said no one should take actions against anyone for the past. Bad lesson to teach:… Read more »

rabbi goldstein really cares about chinuch
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rabbi goldstein really cares about chinuch

Rabi g. Has made do many chinuch advancements in oholei torah. Not only that, but when he sees my son in the street he always smiles warly and says hello to him. he is missed already.

Bochur
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Bochur

Rabbi Sternberg is incredible! this is the dummest move from OT part

To all those screaming Rebbe.
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To all those screaming Rebbe.

Yes, the Rebbe did say that bochurim should not get involved. However, the rebbe also said that Hanhola should go to the rabonim before letting staff go. Rabbi Osdoba, does not want to voice an opinion for personal reasons, and rightfully so. (he happens to be a noigeah Bedavar in this case) Rabbi Braun and Shvei left numerous voice mails for rabbi rosenfeld, and to date, rabbi rosenfeld has not returned their call. no matter which rabonim you side with, if a rav calls you, you need to respond. if you do not agree with a particular rov, you still… Read more »

There's more
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There's more

There’s more people in Ot who encouraged people to go what about them ??? They get to stay ??

Rebbe said ....
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Rebbe said ....

I love how everyone is saying that the “Rebbe said ” bachurim should not get involved and the rebbe said this and the rebbe said that …… But what about the fact that the rebbe said you have to listen to the rabbanim and the rabbanim said that you can’t fire anyone because of this or use this to advance personal agenda !!!!!

to col
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to col

thank u so much col for helping the TRUE STORY get out there may hashem bentch u with all that u need!!

not the first time in Lubavitch
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not the first time in Lubavitch

The firing of other principals and mashpiim has happened more than once.
Sometimes you have to do this, even when students say thse people are the best. As a former student of one of the educators who were fired, only now am I grateful that I got out from under their hashpaa, although at the time I thought I owed all my chassidishkeit to them. I was too young to realize, and didn’t trust the powers who decided.

amazing bouchrim
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amazing bouchrim

keep up the good work!!!

Very well done!
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Very well done!

Go Bochurim Go!

ALL THE BEST BOCHURIM !!!
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ALL THE BEST BOCHURIM !!!

I FULLY SUPPORT YOU, I KNOW RABBI STERNBERG PERSONALLY AND HE ACTUALLY CARES FOR BOCHURIM UNLIKE OTHER MASHPIYIM

Rabbi Sternberg
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Rabbi Sternberg

I was in your class, you literally transformed me, I dont know if I would be frum at all if not for you, but now every day I make a time to learn Chassidus and say Chitas (learning Tanya especially well) all because of Rabbi Sternberg.
M.L.

craziness
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craziness

This whole story is crazy
We need moshiach now!!!!!

WOW!!!
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WOW!!!

I woke up this morning to see a paper on my car, and than I saw it was on all cars, it said that the Bochurim want their Mashpia back, This is amazing, don’t ever give up.

not a dry eye
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not a dry eye

I literally have been crying. I’m hurt. My sons principal who cares, takes the time to listen to young children, whose on top of things and even folows up after things are slved got fired? Im I really thought it wasn’t true. But now this is already day #3 that rabbi Goldstein isn’t there

VERY SERIOUS SITUATION - Milchemes Hashem
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VERY SERIOUS SITUATION - Milchemes Hashem

This is an extremely unprecedented situation. As part of the challenges of the last moments before the Geulah. May Hashem protect us all from this darkness, by throwing ourselves into the highest levels of Kedusha. This type of activity needs deprogramming, and has a definite effect on those whom attended, and use their methods in reaching their talmidim. This needs great Siyata DiShmaya to purify oneself and the effect to others. We must protect our children from these influences and those whom became tainted, need to be guided in the right path back. It would be a great idea to… Read more »

from a students perspective
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from a students perspective

My son innocently said to me today before going to school : mommy, I hope rabbi Goldstein is feeling better. He’s always there and now he has been absent for two days alreadyalready.” I couldn’t beleive my son noticed. That says a lot! For the sake of the children I hope things resolve itself
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Sternberg Should Open a New Yeshiva
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Sternberg Should Open a New Yeshiva

Some pondering thoughts: If only 3 students out of a group of 51 went to cots, perhaps it’s not, because it was only suggested to 3 out of 51. Perhaps it was suggested to all 51 but only 3 were gullible enough to buy in to this pie in the sky of cots. Another point to consider is that if Sternberg was fully programmed and indoctrinated with the ideals of cots, then it’s perfectly reasonable to assume the possibility that he had already used these, cots concepts, taken from cots, and impressed these ideals and concepts upon his 51 students.… Read more »

Stop the witch hunt!
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Stop the witch hunt!

I have yet to meet anyone who was able to overcome trauma and dysfunctional upbringing just by learning chassidus. Finally someone recognized the value of emotional health. And what do they get for their efforts? They get fired!

The underlying lie
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The underlying lie

Started with the major exaggeration about what shofar was about. Not one professional or rov has actually said that Shofar for a fact involved any s’rach of AZ. No one responsible has shown that people who went there are “brainwashed” and need to “de-programmed”. The only source for that is anonymous commentors. Has Dr Aharon said that? Has Shea Hecht said that? Have rabbonim said that? No-one. It is just the same people shouting into the echo chamber and getting everyone panicked. I didn’t go to this thing. I never liked it when I heard about it. But show me… Read more »

BRING RABBI Z. GOLDSTIEN BACK
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BRING RABBI Z. GOLDSTIEN BACK

HE IS A VERY GOOD PRINCIPLE AND PERSON HE SHOULD BE BACK. HE WAS OUR CHILDREN PRINCIPLE WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN WHATS GOING ON BEFORE FIRING HIM.

Arieh
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Arieh

From 240: “…attraction to such a ‘misnagdishe’ program.”

I am NOT involved with COTS whatsoever and I learn a little bit of Chassidus (From many sources; Chabad, Breslov, etc…) I am from out of town so I shall not comment about the OT situation.

Call COTS a cult if you will (there are experts who will make that determination), but don’t you for a moment compare COTS to Misnagdim. It’s insulting and demeaning.

The Rebbe, OBM would have found the above comparison distasteful.

settle down
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settle down

To ‘j.j. duchman’, listen up. You are right that it doesnt seem fair for him to have been let go of. But, dont put yourself in frobt of a campaign which has already said things that arent necessarily so true. His derech does work for many people, but definitely should be speculation and dissected by those who our community as a whole respect. As comment 191 said, this oifin definitely isnt derech avos, and there are definitely other ways of going about them besides for what he does. Public confessions in the dark, over- persuasive/ over- demanding hachlatos, programs such… Read more »

fed up
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fed up

I AGREE! and have seen it first hand!!
DONT MESS WITH BOCHURIM!
1) its YOUR 1 brain verses 50 bochurim + brains.
2) they will one day be the ones running the show
3) they might be “naive” but they do see truth and will hold accountable later on in life
4) Lubavitch is changing period just like the world is changing
5) and so are the bochurim, i think its about time the bochurim stand up, its SOOO hard to find an educator who “cares”
6) back in the day the town revolved around the yeshiva, now bochurim are treated like [email protected]

Bochurim
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Bochurim

Please go learn a geshmake Gemara sugyah. You’ll be happier with yourself

To number 240
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To number 240

I share your feelings about cot but I am disturbed By the fact that these teachers who were fired Went more than once why weren’t they fired right away? It must be that no one was so clear about the problem Not even rabbi Rosenfeld so why can’t we accept That rabbi Sternberg didn’t either know and when it was Made clear he admitted … Signed letter….why fire so hasty That is an extreme measure !!!if you have thousand dollars in a bank account and you withdraw 500 you still have 500 Why can’t we think of all the deposits… Read more »

Very selective
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Very selective

What about the other pricaples

to 254
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to 254

what did the rebbe say??

Sad
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Sad

I may not know the solution but firing the schools best staff meme bets is certainly not it!

To 247
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To 247

It seems like you know a lot more about COTS than anyone else here. Please, do share with us what you know!

What's Rabbi Osdoba's Oppinion?
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What's Rabbi Osdoba's Oppinion?

To # 252

I wholeheartedly endorse Rabbi Osdoba’s position to remain silent on this subject.

It’s perfectly understandable that anyone, whoever attended cots or anyone who’s family member attended cots, can’t be objective.

תלמידי הישיבה
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תלמידי הישיבה

Here is an excerpt from תורת מנחם ה’תשד”מ vol 1 pp 524-525 …בהמשך להמדובר לעלל אודות ענין השליחות, שהתנאי הראשון והעיקרי שבזה הוא – קיום רצון המשלח . . שעליהם לזכור תמיד אודות תוכן ומטרת שליחותם – ללמוד תורה . . להתנהג ע”פ הוראת הנהלת הישיבה או הכולל . . וכמדובר כמ”פ בארוכה שלתמידים צריכים להיות כפופים למרות ההההלת הישיבה (או הכולל), לשמור על סדרי הישיבה, לציית לדברי ראש הישיבה, המשפיע וכו’ . . הכוונה היא – כפשוט – שהתלמידים יהיו כפופים למרות הנהלת הישיבה, ובאופן כשזה ימלאו את שליחותם בלימוד התורה, ובכללות הנהגתם באופן ד”נרואת להאיר”. ועפ”ז – במקרה… Read more »

Rabbi Osdoba
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Rabbi Osdoba

Rabbi Osdoba’s psak is the one that counts. He’s the only rav left from the rebbe’s beis din, before gimmel tammuz.

תלמידי הישיבה
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תלמידי הישיבה

Here is an excerpt from תורת מנחם ה’תשד”מ vol 1 pp 524-525 …בהמשך להמדובר לעלל אודות ענין השליחות, שהתנאי הראשון והעיקרי שבזה הוא – קיום רצון המשלח . . שעליהם לזכור תמיד אודות תוכן ומטרת שליחותם – ללמוד תורה . . להתנהג ע”פ הוראת הנהלת הישיבה או הכולל . . וכמדובר כמ”פ בארוכה שלתמידים צריכים להיות כפופים למרות ההההלת הישיבה (או הכולל), לשמור על סדרי הישיבה, לציית לדברי ראש הישיבה, המשפיע וכו’ . . הכוונה היא – כפשוט – שהתלמידים יהיו כפופים למרות הנהלת הישיבה, ובאופן כשזה ימלאו את שליחותם בלימוד התורה, ובכללות הנהגתם באופן ד”נרואת להאיר”. ועפ”ז – במקרה… Read more »

משמעת וקבלת עול
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משמעת וקבלת עול

the Rebbe said that bochrim should not get involved in fighting Hanhala – PERIOUD.

Yes, the Rebbe said many times – and it’s clear al pi torah – that one must listen to Rabbonin. BUT it is not the job of the BOCHRIM to make sure the hanhala listens to Rabbonim.

Bochrim must have unwavering משמעת and קבלת עול.

Way out of hand
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Way out of hand

Dear COL:

This has gotten way out of hand. Are you reporting the news or creating the news? You were the first to “break the story” on COTS, then to fan the flames, and now, when the inevitable happens and people are fired, you’re there to cover the protests, too!

Oh yeah?
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Oh yeah?

Does anyone feel that Simcha F. is qualified to Pasken if cots is Kosher or not?

Gornish
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Gornish

enough with the story

TO 284
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TO 284

Are you joking or just stupid?
COL does not make the news. Nor did they encourage, recruit or tell others to join the Call of the Shofar retreat. That, unfortunately, was the very mashpiim and teachers the rest of us look up to.
Thank god COL finally let the public know about the terrible things that were occuring under our very noses.
Kol hakavod to you, COL for saving our community.

To all his Talmidim.
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To all his Talmidim.

It’s very nice to see all the Talmidim defending their teacher, once my teacher was fired and not only did we not protest, many were even happy.

To 184
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To 184

Don’y you realize how important it was to bring this subject of Call of the Shofar to the public? The problem is Oholei Torah for firing someone even after he retracted his opinion of COTS.

COL   THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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COL THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Than you COL ! Thank you so much!
Imagine,just what would have happened without COL!
This COTS was going to pass unnoticed and ,chas veshalom, would have distroyed all our teachers, rabbis, mashpiim, shluchim, bochrim ,and spread the klipa to all Lubavitch and klal Israel
It was a gezeira against Lubavitch (gog u magog) , and now BH we have COL to come and mebatel the gezeira
Chevre, we have a new YOM Tov, we have a new 19 Kislev, to celebrate the victory of chassidus and the coming of Moshiach

Dear 287
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Dear 287

COL revealed nothing. They exposed only what they wanted to expose and suppressed voices that were more level-headed and gave a more balanced perspective. No rabbanim have encouraged firing mashpiim and in fact in Rabbi Schwey/Braun’s letter they said just the opposite.

Chabad bocherim
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Chabad bocherim

Even though i might technically agree with the bocherim, this is not the chabad way of doing things. We aren’t allowed to argue with hanholo. I’m not saying it should be ignored, but it should not be done by bocherim!

TO 265
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TO 265

Your son’s care and concern for Rabbi Goldstein is so pure and touching. “v’heishev lev avos al banim” may we return to innocence and purity and follow in his ways of recognizing a true mechanech.

Shmiras halashon!
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Shmiras halashon!

we have a G-dgiven quality to create realities with our worlds. unfortunately we have lustfully destroyed worlds with our words. May Hashem forgive us. Please – Let’s all make a hachlata to not speak negatively of others.

A bocher pained
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A bocher pained

commenters, and bocherim (who should have better things to do) An open letter to Rabbi Rosenfeld. This letter was penned by a bocher six years into the yeshiva experience. Over the last six years I watched many interesting things take the attention of the community of crown heights.always wondering how the education problems I watched going on were never dealt with. However non of them ever annoyed me as the scandal of the last two weeks, the reason is simple. For starters, rabbi rosenfeld, you do not run a public company, there are no investors. your idea of fireing one… Read more »

To 266 - "new yeshiva"
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To 266 - "new yeshiva"

You have come to the conclusion that the 51 Bochurim are programmed robots.

How so?

We’ll they disagree with what the masses have concluded in the mikvah.

So in this environment, only 1 opinion is considered a valid opinion. Everyone who disagrees with that 1 opinion is obviously programmed.

Where have we heard that before?

Communists? George Orwell’s 1984?

chutzpah
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chutzpah

its wrong to go to someones house and protest. don’t you have respect.
I think these are bored bochurim who don’t have anything better to do so why not. protest make trouble that’s what all teenagers like to do.

Good Job
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Good Job

Even if this doesn’t work to get him back, it’s still great for the teacher to see that his talmidim havent abandoned him and still love him!

he raises good points
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he raises good points

Many points need to be modified!!!

to 295
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to 295

Very well said, there many other more important problems to deal with that this is not even beginning to solve.

MESSAGE FOR EVERYONE
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MESSAGE FOR EVERYONE

I DON’T THINK YOU HAVE TO SAY ONE PERSON IS RIGHT AND THE OTHER IS WRONG, I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT RABBI STERNBERG IS GOOD AND RABBI ROSENFELD IS GOOD AND LET THIS THING JUST GET OVER WITH

READ THE NEW ARTICLE ABOUT COTS
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READ THE NEW ARTICLE ABOUT COTS

read the new article about COTS that was just posted.

it will enlighten you as to what exactly is wrong with COTS and why ohelei torah and rabbi rosenfeld made the right decision.

it is their responsibility as a mosod taking care of our children and our future to stop the effects of COTS from reaching other ppl.

it is their responsibility to take a stand.

i support rabbi rosenfeld and ohelei torah all the way!

Rumors have it.
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Rumors have it.

things may change

there right
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there right

I wish I was in shiur daled with you guys protesting

@jjduchman
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@jjduchman

what a man

to 300
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to 300

Just as the person who wrote that article was able to reprogram himself, so too they can reprogram themselves

Yay!
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Yay!

I hear he will be back!

Mission Accomplished
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Mission Accomplished

I think these boys accomplished their mission!

The urgent letter
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The urgent letter

So these are the bochurim that put the letters on all the cars?
Is the Mashpia referred to on the paper this Mashpia?

How to reprogram?
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How to reprogram?

Someone asked me today what he has to do (if he went to cots) to be deprogrammed?
Is there a specific derech from the Rabbonim on what to do if you went to cots?

I am so impressed
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I am so impressed

The bachurim did the right thing!

INVESTIGATION of CREDENTIALS
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INVESTIGATION of CREDENTIALS

HOW !!!!! do Chassidim sent Talmidim without investigating the credentials of the cult leaders. Would you not inquire the credentials of a physician. Its Known THAT CULT LEADER
HAS NO CREDENTIALS so HOW does a Mashpia sent
Talmidim where there is no HECHSHER???!!!!!!!
YASHER KOACH RABBI ROSENFELD for taking the right
steps!!!!! MOSHIACH NOW!!!!!

He is back!
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He is back!

Well done Bochurim, I don’t know if they would ever check him and see that he is really good and bring him back if not for you guys!

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to 151

Very well said, that is exactly what happened now.

Oh my!
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Oh my!

313 comments before i even got a chance to read the article!
but i see that almost all the comments are people that really love r sternberg, so it’s great i see he was let back in!

to #312!
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to #312!

obviously you did NOT read the article
there was an endorsement of 2 rabbonim ( at that time ) of the HEcsher !!!!!!!!!!!

to #12
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to #12

Well the FACT is after all, r sternberg has changed so many bochurim to be much more chassidish, so why isn’t that enough for the talmidim to know that he is influencing people to be more chassidish and not for other purposes.

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to 235

Yes, maybe they have to be analyzed but fired? NO!

Same
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Same

I can testify the same as comment 89 and 101!
I really have changed thanks to him.

#317
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#317

THEREFORE ITS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A MASHPIA
TO PROPERLY INVESTIGATE WHO IS BEHIND THE PROGRAM THAT HE RECOMMENDS. OBVIOUSLY HE WAS NOT AWARE OF THE NEGATIVE SIDE R”L.
PROPER INVESTIGATION WOULD REVEAL THAT ITS FROM NON KOSHER SOURCES.

# 273
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# 273

I think we will be able to learn much better now that we got him back, especially Chassidus.

Boys?
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Boys?

these were not boys protesting for fun (as comment 70 writes), they are old enough to see the truth.
Noe everyone agrees as the Bochurim.

To #158
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To #158

The problem is even if it is unintentional their can still be a problem for a Mechanech, but in this case they were both checked and they were not affected or brainwashed by cots.

this was not for fun
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this was not for fun

But pouring papers all over crown heights might of been pushing it, don’t you think so?

Boruch Hashem
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Boruch Hashem

Really happy to hear he is back!

TO #317
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TO #317

But maybe if JUST ONE bochur was damaged, it doesn’t matter how many were fixed.

Yeridah Letzorech Aliyah!
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Yeridah Letzorech Aliyah!

If not for him being fired, their would still be many people speaking bad of him, thanks to him being fired and than checked and they saying he has no problems, now protects him from all his former haters.

He is not the only one.
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He is not the onl