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After personally checking, Rabbi Sholom Ber Shuchat concludes that the Crown Heights Eruv is kosher, but not in line with Chabad. Full Story

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Yisroel Cogan
July 5, 2016 8:01 pm

Crown Heights has a Beis Din.
Rabbi Shuchat is not a member, neither is Rabbi Wosner.
Theoretical halachic positions of the two gentleman are not relevant in the discussion of eruv in our community.

unknown subscriber in CH
July 5, 2016 7:34 pm

why cant everyone be more concerned NOW with the mitzva of tzniyus in our shechuna??????Learn how to dress according to the Torah if want proper shiduchim!!!!!!!!!!! oUR KINDERLACH ARE GROWING UP VERY QUICKLY AND THE FIRST 4 YEARS OF THEIR LIVES CAN BE SPENT AT THEIR HOMES HAPPILY ON SHABOSIM WITH THEIR MOTHERS OR FATHERS TAKING TURNS TO GO INTO SHULS TO DAVEN. THE REBBE DIDNT WANT SMALL KINDERLACH TO MAKE NOISES IN SHULS AND FORCE THEM TO BE QUIET IN SHULS. WE HAVE TO TEACH THEM AT HOME HOW TO ANSWER AMEN FOR WHEN THEY ARE READY TO GO… Read more »

At 149
July 4, 2016 10:20 am

Rav shuchat, Does have shimush and is a practicing dayan for even haezer and choshen mishpat. He also has shimush and paskens Orach chaim and yore deah.

At 149
July 4, 2016 10:19 am

Rav shuchat, Does have shimush and is a practicing dayan for even haezer and choshen mishpat. He also has shimush and paskens Orach chaim and yore deah.

Same Problem with the Eruv
July 4, 2016 8:19 am

Rabbi Sholom Ber Shuchat wrote as his first guideline for his heter: “Whoever uses the Eruv should do so only in great need.” In other words would seem to mean the rav is saying don’t use it really, only consider it bedieved or beshaas dochak, not lechatichilah / initially and in such a case, don’t consider a person who does as a violator of shabbos. The same reasons that I mentioned before still apply. Not attempting to undermine a bais din in a tight-knit kehillah, and not causing anguish to Jews who will never ignore the position of said bais… Read more »

Truth vs Fiction - What Rabbi Shuchat's really saying (even though still disagree)
July 4, 2016 2:09 am

The portrayal of what he said, vs. what he actually said, is a great disservice to Rabbi Shuchat with this title and write-up. It is also a false presentation to the public as to what he says (even though I do not believe that what he says, which is far less than presented, trumps all of the gedolim of the previous generation, and I do believe that his understanding is overly pinpointed as opposed to the general view that they took of what constitutes a Reshus HaRabim). However….. The people attacking him viciously are part of the reason why I… Read more »

Sad to say
July 4, 2016 12:46 am

The sad situation out there today is that there are quite a few Yungerlite who believe that have what it takes to Pasken Halochos, they are very haughty and this is extremely disastrous.
In truth they don’t even look into Sefarim when they Pasken (they don’t even know where to look) – they have total lack of Yiras Shomayim. It’s very scary.

Flawed Premise
July 3, 2016 6:00 pm

Once there is already an Eruv, it should be made to be up to standard.
That’s not what happemed here. The Eruv shouls never have been put up lechatchila. This is a case of someone going lechatchila to be mevatel something beshishim.
I have a better Idea: כולא עלמא מודי that for פיקוח נפש one may carry, even without an eruv, so let’s create a pikuach nefesh situation every week and viola, all our problems are solved.

Isn't the kol Israel community in crown heights?
July 3, 2016 4:20 pm

From all the comments it’s immediately implied that this community doesn’t need to follow the crown heights bais din and it’s wrong. Since they are in crown heights they need too, to follow the directives of the local bais din. Period. Rabbi Shuchat, can you enlighten us in the halachos of the power of a bais din like the one of crown heights, when and how you may disagree with them, how to go about it if it is permissible and, what happens if someone weakens their stance in the eyes of many in the community or seems to reinforce… Read more »

growing up i was always told chabad doesn`t use eruv
July 3, 2016 12:46 pm

and we never used our back yard eruv
i dont know what happined

unknown subscriber in CH
July 3, 2016 12:20 pm

why cant everyone be more concerned NOW with the mitzva of tzniyus in our shechuna??????Learn how to dress according to the Torah if want proper shiduchim!!!!!!!!!!! oUR KINDERLACH ARE GROWING UP VERY QUICKLY AND THE FIRST 4 YEARS OF THEIR LIVES CAN BE SPENT AT THEIR HOMES HAPPILY ON SHABOSIM WITH THEIR MOTHERS OR FATHERS TAKING TURNS TO GO INTO SHULS TO DAVEN. THE REBBE DIDNT WANT SMALL KINDERLACH TO MAKE NOISES IN SHULS AND FORCE THEM TO BE QUIET IN SHULS. WE HAVE TO TEACH THEM AT HOME HOW TO ANSWER AMEN FOR WHEN THEY ARE READY TO GO… Read more »

Rabbi Shochet
July 3, 2016 12:01 pm

There is many halachic topics that you can write a kuntres on. You were quiet till know. But you go and choose this sensitive topic and only created more controversy and just gave more strength to the people that are fighting the psak of the Beis Din. There is other ways if you need some popularity and recognition that won’t cause any harm to the community and you will be viewed as a talmid chochom and not just an “oiver chochom”.

Scary
July 3, 2016 11:32 am

Most readers wouldn’t trust a self-proclaimed professional with opening their iPhone. But here they are so quick to trust this Shuchat guy – who has anything but a sterile record – with their neshamos? Shocking.

Shuchats kunteress
July 3, 2016 11:00 am

After reading the Rebbes letters in the kuntres that was put out on Shabbos {purportedly by the Kollel but you can see it is not by them because it is a pro eruv kunteres} with all the letters and they included Vosners letter to sneak it in. The reason they put out the Rebbes letters was to show that the Rebbe was pro Eiruv. It is clear that the Rebbe was pro eruv in the sense that it is done quietly to save people from carrying. It is also clear from all the letters that the Rebbe is totally against… Read more »

@68
July 3, 2016 8:49 am

What have you been drinking? Chalav Akum is treif. Chalav stam is a fictitious heter when it’s ice cream. The heter was only for sick people who needed MILK and couldn’t het chalav Yisroel.
You don’t need wine, sounds like you’re drunk already with all that chalav akum.

If You Don't Like the Eruv...
July 3, 2016 7:49 am

Then don’t use it! No one is pointing a gun at anyone’s head trying to force him to use the eruv. All this fuss would be over if people would live and let live.

A Kosher Eruv is NOT intended for the Chabad Inner Circle.
July 3, 2016 5:39 am

A Kosher Eruv should be intended for the recent migration of Jewish Yuppies, which now out number us – The Inner Circle.

128
July 3, 2016 3:36 am

Endorsed Awaiting a detailed Hakachik scholarly explanation of all the shitos and parameters just as Rabbonim in other parts of the world have done It does not undermine authority quite the opposite it demonstrates that all options all authorities have been considered and a Halachik decision has been arrived at utilising the decisors experience has taught the Rabbonim to be the absolute conclusive Don’t just say Alter Rebbe as in pre war Europe the Alter Rebbe was utilised to actually DEFEND an Eruv with the Hascomo of one of the Gedolei HaDor, the Holy Radamishler Rov may his Name be… Read more »

what?!
July 3, 2016 2:41 am

I love reading these comments. Its the eruv controversy from the eyes of the foolish! Whether the rebbe was for or against the eruv is irrelevant to the kashrus of the eruv. (And r shuchat explicitly said that the eruv is not according to alter rebbe – and that’s worse than carrying in an a”r eruv in ch…) The rabbis are discussing the kosher status of the eruv. R heller said we can’t determine of it’s kosher, so an expert – r shuchat (I personally know r shuchat, he is a massive genius – and the comments against him are… Read more »

Hey
July 3, 2016 1:24 am

Kingston is a market place,and empire,eastern pkwy lead ti other cities,not crooked enuf,si end of discussion,its reshus harabim
But the main point as already stated
The Rebbe was screaming,there will be no eruv here!! This i heard many years ago,maybe soon after it happened

Facts Facts Facts
July 3, 2016 1:13 am

Why are so many here afraid of the facts?

Chutzpa ahin Chutzpah aher

You’re entitled to your own opinion but not you’re own facts.

If anyone (including the local rabbis) want to argue with with what he said they should respond in kind with detailed, complete, halachik quotes regarding the issues address.

Name calling and agree shouts just makes you look childish and make people not want to listen to what you have to say.

To 126
July 3, 2016 12:54 am

He isn’t the one checking the eiruv every week…

Seems like a pure ad hominem attack without any basis.

Larry
July 3, 2016 12:35 am

To #116 you also have to understand when someone is drowning you have to be a lifeguard in order to save them if an ordinary person jumps in he will get pulled under and drown himself.

Greedy opportunism?
July 3, 2016 12:19 am

Does nobody notice what this is about? In his suggestions, he writes: “Those who build an Eruv should create an “Eruv Fund” which will serve to pay the Rav who supervises it and those who check it weekly.” So who should the eruv fund pay? Answer (in the beginning of the article): “I spent a few hours on Sunday, Sivan 20, checking the whole length of the Eruv, and I have found it to be Kosher according to certain opinions (which are used to build Eruvin in other locations, including Anash locations), however it is not fully in line with… Read more »

To number 27
July 3, 2016 12:06 am

Read alter rebbe’s shulchan aruch vol 6. Tshuva #39. The alter rebbe writes there that the kehila of a certain town should not allow the marriage of a certain divorcee due to a problem with the get. The alter rebbe rights at the end that the shechita for such a wedding would be like a Neveila u’treifa. I would not rush to say that the story is Nisht Geshtoigen Un Nisht gefloigen

shanda
July 2, 2016 11:03 pm

How pathetic to read so many nasty comments that are so un-chabad like. I truly believe its a few zealots. To think some are so selfish is painful.

Like so many have said already the ERUV will be, those that want to use it will, and those that do not will NOT use it.

Sort of like the Yechi issue , as pathetic as this sounds…there are many that do utter it, and there are many many that no longer do, or never did . To believe otherwise is silly.

To All
July 2, 2016 10:42 pm

What chutzpah are we talking about. He wrote from a Torah perspective, and did not say that one should use the eruv. Can any of you even understand what he is talking about. I suspect not. You see all of you made up your mind and don’rt want to be mixed up with the facts. Your a bunch of am haratzim, and don’t even realize that none of the rabbanim in CH know the inyan better than him.

100 of course you can shave!
July 2, 2016 10:33 pm

All you have to do is find a rabbi (or pick from many rabbis until you get all the heterim you are looking for) from outside ch and you can shave, eat kitniyos on pesach (goes without saying all the other things on pesach), non glatt meat, cholov stam and even have women rabbis!

Perhaps it IS Kosher for some...
July 2, 2016 5:01 pm

But that notwithstanding, the Rebbe was quite clear – no Eruv in Crown Heights. And that should be enough of a reason not to have it.

To 10
July 2, 2016 3:53 pm

Madam your husband might or might not have Dayonus as might all of CH
Rabbi Shochat IS a practicing Rov, a practicing Dayan on a very prestigious Rabbinical Organsation.

World of difference

Parshas Korach
July 2, 2016 3:38 pm

All the Baalei Machlokes have found the ripe time to come out against our Rebbe and Rabbanim of Kan Tziva. Some with the Chutzpa of Korach, others with the sly agendas of Dasan and SAviram and some who even consider themselves Roshei Sanhedrioes ad write facny shmacy Halachic analysis to purify the Sheretz. The common denominator is that all are part of the Baalei Mahclokes making a Milchama against the Rebbe and the Beis Din. Oy! I hate to see the outcome of this one!

Kuntreis
July 2, 2016 2:38 pm

We lomdei Torah who have put in hours of study, The pages of Gemorah Tur Beis Yoseph Mishnah Berurah chelk Daled Alter Rebbe and later seforim and kuntresim and exceedingly grateful to Rabbonim the caliber of Rav Shochet for taking the time and trouble to evaluate academically and the producing such a well anotated kentreis as weal are to Rav SB Levin for all his Halachic works. No one paskens lehalocho from seforim on these technical matters, as is the case with Hilchos Nikur to take just one example, however it broadens ones Torahdik knowledge to acquire these seforim etc.… Read more »

to # 27
July 2, 2016 8:00 am

the story you bring is sourced in Menachem Gerlitz’s Yerusholaim Shel Maaloh (vol 2).
The veracity of this story ever happening is destroyed by Rabbi Mondshine in his series ‘Sipurim V’Gilguleihem’ and he leaves this story as one big ‘gilgul’ and as a ‘lo dubim vlo yaar’ ‘loi hoyo vloi nivra’

119
July 1, 2016 8:19 pm

really? why werent they “knocked down” past 2 weeks. what ignorance

Knocked down from heaven
July 1, 2016 8:02 pm

From weather forecast: AT 748 PM EDT… STRONG THUNDERSTORMS WERE CLUSTERED OVER CROWN HEIGHTS… MOVING EAST AT 40 MPH.

No excuses
July 1, 2016 7:54 pm

There are no excuses for not listening to rabbonim. Nobody can blame their lack of keeping mitzvos on others. That’s insane!!!

114
July 1, 2016 7:44 pm

Would the CH rabbinic put out a letter saying that someone who shaves and eats cholov stam his wine is yayin nesech?

can't hold back
July 1, 2016 7:35 pm

To # 75. Your attitude towards the people who are not exactly like you, is definitely against the Rebbe’s way. There was once a Rov who was not Chabad and came to the Rebbe to yechidus. They were discussing the problem that drugs had within the Jewish community. The Rov responded to the Rebbe that ” bei unzere geit dos nisht un.” (by us, our children, this does not happen)” The Rebbe responded to him that “velche kinder zein in nisht unzere? (which children are not ours?”) Meaning that if those children or people are Jewish we have an obligation… Read more »

100 of course you can shave!
July 1, 2016 7:23 pm

All you have to do is find a rabbi (or pick from many rabbis until you get all the heterim you are looking for) from outside ch and you can shave, eat kitniyos on pesach (goes without saying all the other things on pesach), non glatt meat, cholov stam and even have women rabbis!

@68
July 1, 2016 7:22 pm

What have you been drinking? Chalav Akum is treif. Chalav stam is a fictitious heter when it’s ice cream. The heter was only for sick people who needed MILK and couldn’t het chalav Yisroel.
You don’t need wine, sounds like you’re drunk already with all that chalav akum.

Chutzpah
July 1, 2016 7:14 pm

What a chutzpah! Rabbonim should call him out on this.
Respect for Rabbonim is an alef beis of yiddishkeit. Shulchan oruch does not exist without the context of authority of local Beis Din. Him being a Dayan is very unlikely is not familiar with this concept. What is it then?

Playing with FIRE
July 1, 2016 7:12 pm

rabbi shochat!!!!
This is the Rebbe’s shechuna the Rebbe says NO is NO!!!!! PERIOD.
In the past, those who went against the Rebbe NEVER won out.
WHAT PART OF NO ISN’T UNDERSTOOD!

sbs. YOUR PLAYING WITH FIRE!!!!!

To # 104
July 1, 2016 7:06 pm

Rabbi Levy also will not allow any food from the Badatz in his SHUL. So please don’t bring him a proof.

to #207
July 1, 2016 7:05 pm

Zinner never asked about CH. His answers are all printer in Tzadik Lemelech and it is only about building in BP and he told him that once it up their is a CHIYUV to make sure it stays Kosher.

Chutzpa
July 1, 2016 7:04 pm

The Chutzpa is unreal! How can we have complaints about our youth? Make sure no one is influenced by this Baal guava. That a normal human being can make an open statement like this after hearing what our rabbinim say. Do we wonder why we are losing our youth? I don’t care if he is right or wrong. The Chutzpa this man has is mind boggling. In any other community he would be sent flying. Why is this even posted? This is the epidemy of Chutzpa!

tornado warning for NYC with high winds expected
July 1, 2016 6:51 pm

I don’t see the eruv lasting this shabbos

To 96
July 1, 2016 6:45 pm

I’m all for it. But, you need to make sure to send video of it cut right before Shabbos, so they’ll know about it.

important!
July 1, 2016 6:25 pm

Rabbi Zinner himself asked the Rebbe whether to build an eruv in Crown Heights and the Rebbe said no. Some of what is written here about the halochos of an eruv are not accurate. There’s no question the eruv should not be used.

#96
July 1, 2016 6:24 pm

If not kosher why rip it down? What is wrong with you?

IGNORES THE REBBE'S CLEAR WORDS
July 1, 2016 6:22 pm

IN IGROS KODESH (volume 16 page 308) THE REBBE WRITES CLEARLY TO HARAV HAGOAN REB YOSEF MOSKOWITZ, WHO WROTE A SEFER ON EIRUV (and shuchat quotes in footnote 56 from this letter of the Rebbe, but deliberately omitted the following that the Rebbe wrote (free translation): “PERTAINING TO SHOMREI TORAH AND MITZVOS, ABOUT WHOM THE CHAZAL SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THEY SEARCH FOR A HETER FOR THEMSELVES (AS LONG AS THEY FIND WHATEVER BASIS OR EXCUSE), PUBLICIZING (that an Eiruv was made albeit only following his opinion) MAY BRING THEM TO פרצות (destroying established limits) ETC. AFTER IT IS PUBLICIZED IT… Read more »

From rabbi Don Levi.
July 1, 2016 6:20 pm

A message was set around concerning an “eruv” that was set up around CH. Please be advised that we do not accept this as Rabbi Heller has paskened. Any products brought to the Shul on Shabbos will not be permitted to be used.

addendum
July 1, 2016 6:17 pm

You should know what to do if you are carrying and the eruv comes down.

New Morah Deasra
July 1, 2016 6:12 pm

Next up Cong Ahavas Yisroel will elect R Shuchat as new Morah Deasrah of CH.

WARNING!
July 1, 2016 6:08 pm

Once again, The Rebbe is a “little” more knowledgeable than the whole igud harabanim together will ever dream to be, and if the Rebbe said NO ERUV how can any shmoh try to justify the opposite of the Rebbe’s words in the Rebbe’s Shchunah. Agudas Harabonim is so political and borders on corruption (from personal experience with them). The bottom line is anyone going against the Rebbe in the slightest way is playing a dangerous game. Dangerous to them.

#84 Can we get an ok for shaving?
July 1, 2016 6:03 pm

I really REALLY like to shave. It would help me in y parnassa. It would really make my shabbos more enjoyable to be clean shaven l’kovod shabbos! It also inconveniences me greatly to have a scruffy beard. Any chance of getting an ok for shaving? Maybe write a Kuntes about it. BTW – please make sure that the hechsher is also good according the the Rabbeiim because I want heter for shaving to be l’chol hadayos.

Yeshvish
July 1, 2016 6:03 pm

I am NOT from Crown Heights or Chabad. You all must respect yourselves and your neighbors more. Intolerance of another’s Yids right to interpret HALACHA is a terrible thing. What happened to the Ahavas Yisroel?

To #67
July 1, 2016 5:59 pm

We live in a free country to keep Shabbos according to Halacha. Boruch Hashem we don’t need excuses for not sending kids to school on Shabbos etc.
Hashem did not give us this freedom to encourage others
to be mechalel Shabbos chas veshalom.
THERE IS NO EIRUV IN CROWN HEIGHTS!!!
As long as OUR Rabbonim disapprove THERE IS NO
EIRUV IN CROWN HEIGHTS!!!! THAT’S THE
HALACHA!!

Yisoharoo bdecreichem
July 1, 2016 5:48 pm

On the border statements, who really is going to carry “only when they really need” ?! leadership skills are learnt with time, being a rav is not only “technical” halachik point of Veiw it’s about the “fifth book”! Understanding the community … As we’ve seen in the past paskening and acting on it when the case is nonexistent and made up … Is not the way to go Those who know ..it was a clear proof of lack of comprehending and proper assessment the case at hand ! Making mistakes like that in this day and age with the Country… Read more »

there is no eruv
July 1, 2016 5:37 pm

it doesnt exist

it will b taken down weekly, after its been checked.

and it will still b the carriers fault.

cuz they were warned: no kosher eruv possible in ch; torn or not; its the same.

Schools
July 1, 2016 5:25 pm

Schools have the power to make the rules stick. Community schools, community rules… you don’t like it… you cant send your kids to our schools.

86 two letters
July 1, 2016 5:17 pm

There may be 2 letters but they were all against the eruv. No machlokes here
Don’t destroy the achdus we already have

Vague
July 1, 2016 5:15 pm

What does he mean by mean by in case of great need? If an eruv rips on Shabbos, people might carry. Why take the chance?

disturbing
July 1, 2016 5:14 pm

disturbing and rude how you can legitimize an eruv which crown heights rabbanim are against.

Vague
July 1, 2016 4:45 pm

What does he mean by mean by in case of great need? If an eruv rips on Shabbos, people might carry. Why take the chance?

Flatbush
July 1, 2016 4:45 pm

When will this end? I hope Moshiach arrives way before that. We need him now…

90 persent
July 1, 2016 4:42 pm

im yirtzeh hashem there will be heavy winds tonight that will take down the eiruv

Outrages chutzpah !!!!!
July 1, 2016 4:41 pm

Mechutzaf!!!! Take of your shoes. Ask mechila of
the Rebbe,
All Chabad Rabonim
and all of chasidei Chabad

Rabbonim
July 1, 2016 4:37 pm

Just like the meshicistin and antis backup their positions passionately with the Rebbe, the same is true with the eiruv.
This has nothing to do with what the Rebbe said.
This is an ego trip for some people who haven’t been relevant for years, who have suddenly found a way to become relevant.
Can you imagine what kind of ego trip it is using supposed halocho to control so many people?

2 letters
July 1, 2016 4:35 pm

We cannot consider our rabbanim united about this until they all sign ONE letter to that effect. So far, I have seen 2 letters, each signed by only 2 rabbanim. This is one cause of this churban. Get it together please.

Who are you
July 1, 2016 4:20 pm

Rabbi Osdaba probably has grandchildren older than this guy…

Get real, we don’t need any opinions or assistance… The Rebbe said no eruv…finished

#68
July 1, 2016 4:18 pm

There is some ignorance in your statement. Cholov akum is asur acording to everyone, but reb moshe under certain conditions created a new category of “Cholov Stam” and chabad along with most or all chasidim did not except this heter for cholov stam for many reasons including hashkofic. As for eruv reb moshe asured one in Brooklyn but today most poskim (including some ppl who were very close to him) say that he was incorrect either simply bc he did not have the correct figures at the time and our bc he didn’t think an eruv was a good idea… Read more »

the Jewish way?
July 1, 2016 4:17 pm

Is this the Jewish way for every shnuk who has smicho and a good pen should voice their opinion on serious halacha matters?
Especially when there are local morei horah b’poel who voiced clear opinions?
Where is basic dereach eretz to the morei d’asro?
Did he find an oportunity to get some name recognition?
Sad

Not Korach
July 1, 2016 4:15 pm

I think the Rebbe is smarter and more learned than any of us and he could have come up with all these guidelines. He said no Eruv. A week before iemmell Tammuz do we have to reject the Rebbe”s opinion in his own neighborhood?

Chutzpah
July 1, 2016 4:11 pm

Who are u…. some young avreich! Dayanus… so does my husband have Dayanus! So does many other lubavitchers!!
Shame on u that u speak against ;
1 the rebbe who said no to a crown heights eiruv,
2 all the local rabbonim schwei, osdoba, Braun, and Heller, who unanimously oppose the eiruv.
Keep urself out of trouble and stop embarresing your extended family!

Rabbi Moves
July 1, 2016 4:03 pm

It’s a hot issue, so a young Rabbi is getting involved to help get his name out there as an authority, this is not how things worked in the past…I guess it’s the times of Moshiach

@68
July 1, 2016 4:03 pm

What have you been drinking? Chalav Akum is treif. Chalav stam is a fictitious heter when it’s ice cream. The heter was only for sick people who needed MILK and couldn’t het chalav Yisroel.
You don’t need wine, sounds like you’re drunk already with all that chalav akum.

Seems
July 1, 2016 3:59 pm

From from most of the comments that they HAVE NOT read Schucats booklet! He is NOT pro or anti Eruv. If the fact is that there is an Eruv – per the Rebbe’s instuctions – one must see that it be Kosher. Thats it. He checked and je said that its Kosher. The Rebbe HIMSELF wrote against making Erivin – however to make a secret Eruv it would be the best. Also use of an Eruv is NOT for convenience. Its made to avoid Chilul Shabbos of those that carry anyway. But one cant say thats it not Kosher. But… Read more »

Chutzpah Shbe Chutzpah
July 1, 2016 3:57 pm

A “Chabad Rabbi” openly goes against the Rebbe and the community Rebbe in a round about way… This is not the way to do things

A crown heights distinguished inhabitant
July 1, 2016 3:50 pm

To all those that keep saying Crown heights has rabbomin. This whole aruv controversy should serve as proof that Crown heights does not have rabbonim. For if we did people would be listening to them. While we as a community once did in fact have rabbomin. The current proclaimed Marah D’asra are not excepted by a large chunk (an ever expanding large chunk) of the community. They are not excepted, not because the younger generation is less frum than the previous generation. But rather because there is not much to respect in these individuals. The current Marah D’asra are plagued… Read more »

Yosy
July 1, 2016 3:43 pm

In the ‘Yeshivish world’, if someone decides they want to be a little bit modern, they no longer consider themselves Yeshivish. They are still good Jews, but they’re very happy calling themselves, frum or whatever. In Chabad, we have a sickness. Everyone that learned in Chabad or grew up in a Lubavitcher home wants to be labeled as Chabad, or Chabad lite. They want their hedonistic lifestyles to be condoned and accepted by everyone else. Their battle cry is “The Rebbe had Ahavas Yisroel’ etc. We’ve all heard their destructive Baloney stories. The reality is that many aren’t even frum.… Read more »

67 sure anyone can do what they want
July 1, 2016 3:41 pm

But some are trying to avoid the outcome of not trusting kashrus, not allowing kids in yeshiva and rejecting shidduchim of people who use the eruv. This machlokes is not a good thing!

Chabadnik
July 1, 2016 3:32 pm

Milk from a non Jew is NOT kosher for Chabad but for others the rabbi said they could have it. So the question is you have to ask yourself who are you and at which a wedding do you want to dance by

Parsha thought
July 1, 2016 3:31 pm

In this weeks Parsha we learn the story with the spies who went to scout Israel and at the end of the Parsha we learn the story of the man who desecrated the Shabbos by cutting wood. We know that the first and last story of the Parsha have to have a connection. The spies did not want to go into Israel because they did not want to do Mitzvot in a physical way. In the desert, they were only spiritual and they did not want to bring themselves down to a lowly physical level. As we know G-d was… Read more »

#43 Shuchat is NOT Schochet
July 1, 2016 3:20 pm

Please do not spell Shuchat the same way as the Rov who gave me smicha: HaRav Schochet or his younger brother The Rosh.

To #46
July 1, 2016 3:19 pm

Precisely because Halacha and Yiddishkeit is not about looking up a reference manual and acting on it.

Would you do heart surgery on anyone if you had a detailed manual that tells you everything that needs to be done step by step?

This might be the reason that even if an Eiruv can TECHNICALY be made properly, it requires the endorsement, if not the initiative, of LOCAL Rabbonim who are Halachic leaders in the community.

Larry
July 1, 2016 3:14 pm

He says it’s kosher but not for Chabad so what is he saying new isn’t that what the issue was till now that the Chabad Rabbis were saying it’s not kosher for their people or were they saying it’s not kosher for everybody?

To 22
July 1, 2016 3:10 pm

Cholov akum is kosher – yes, according to Chabad. BUT, Chabad is committed to Cholov Yisroel. Stop furthering the impression that Chabad is arrogant and insists that only their ruling is right – for all time Chabad was respectful of rabbonim other than Chabad!

To all From The Kol Israel Shul
July 1, 2016 3:10 pm

This is the new disclaimer with the additional words added to clarify the ERUV from our Shul. We do not and never wanted to fool anyone. You may do as you please as this is a free County and now especially since some great Poskim have come out for it including now a Chabad Rov ” The eruvim listed below are certified by well-known experts in the laws of eruv, whose names are being withheld at this time in order to protect their privacy. Rabbi Schwartz and Rabbi Reinstein have researched their credentials and certify their reliability for those whose… Read more »

Mechutzef!!!
July 1, 2016 3:04 pm

, no responsibility whatsoever

Pedant
July 1, 2016 3:00 pm

“Read read read!!! He is not paskening. he said to follow the rabonim” Then he is a goilom. To write this now and publish this now, in this manner, and claim that it is lehalalach velolemaseh is either disingenuous which is par for course now days or once in a generation type stupid. At this point, that every bar bei rav is going to write what they write in outright opposition to Rabbi Osdobo Rabbi Schweii and Rabbi Braun and in possible opposition to Rabbi Heller, we need the Vaad Rabonnei Lubavitch to step in and lay down an halachic… Read more »

A Ploy
July 1, 2016 2:58 pm

This Rabbi puts so many stringent conditions on making a perfect eiruv that he makes it virtually impossible. But I give him credit for ignoring the noise and sticking to the issues.

to # 24
July 1, 2016 2:58 pm

Nobody listens to Reb Moshe Psak anymore and ZSD. Almost every large CITY has a ERUV even BP. So Reb Mosh shitah is gone and not followed.

Dov
July 1, 2016 2:57 pm

I’m not sure whose chutzpah is worse, the Monsey Ruv or this guy. Bottom line is that they both did irreparable damage to Chabad Chadidim. Shame on both of them!

to #53
July 1, 2016 2:48 pm

” Beis Din Kavua”? Really There’s is nothing steady about CH Beis Din. Sadly, there is no CH Beis Din! Rabbi Osdoba runs his own Beis Din. He says Rabbi Segal is part of it. Not sure who is the third rov. Until they don’t have a third, it’s not a Beis Din Rabbi Schwei and Rabbi Braun run their own Beis Din. But Rabbi Osdoba isn’t part of it. They don’t have a third rov so they aren’t a Beis Din either. If this wasn’t our shechuna, this would actually be very funny…. Sadly, it is and the joke… Read more »

Carrying Keys on ShBs
July 1, 2016 2:39 pm

Im relieved I can have my key belt thats only purpose is for keys without worry of being machalel Shabt

to No 18
July 1, 2016 2:38 pm

you could sound the ch shabbos siren if the eruv goes down on shabbos. simple! What do other communities do?
as Rabbi shochat mentioned there should be bacck up eruvin too. problem solved!

We don't have to do what others do
July 1, 2016 2:33 pm

We live in a kosher non chabad eruv.we don’t use it our kids don’t use it. But we respect those who use it. We hold ourselves to higher chabad standards. The same with Kash rush.

SHOCKED
July 1, 2016 2:21 pm

i am shocked at rabbi schuchat. how do you dare do such a thing? its one thing to give out a kuntres of chidushei torah and its another thing to publish a kuntres about such a controversial issue which more choshuve rabonim disagree. AND ESPECIALLY THE OFFICIAL RABONIM OF CROWN HEIGHTS. and mainly THE REBBE SAID NO. the rebbe was smart enough to come up with all his recommendations AND HE DIDNT

Another fool??
July 1, 2016 2:18 pm

Why are the ignorant folk given the mike to lead others astray?? Has he also been paid to write that it’s kosher?? So they keep trying to bribe one fool after another?? Can’t those who want to carry realize it is asur. Period? If you choose to do so- that’s terribly sad but dontvtry relying on wrong information. This eruv is not kosher EVEN not ACC our rebbeim. ACC to all reliable opinions. Will u get rabbis who don’t know enough to agree it’s kosher? Of course! Especially for the right price! You may get thousands of illegit rabbis to… Read more »

Read read read!!!
July 1, 2016 2:17 pm

He is not paskening. he said to follow the rabonim

Still no certifying Rabbi
July 1, 2016 2:04 pm

Saying it’s *POSSIBLE* to make an Eruv, doesn’t make them the Rav Hamachshir. There’s still no Rav who is certifying the Eruv – which involves taking personal responsibility for it’s Kashrus including weekly checkings and ensuring promps and effective notification should there be a problem.

The Eruv still has no Hechsher. Anyone can write opinions on Halacha, as Shuchat just did.

Rabbinic Jurisdiction is Halachic, too!
July 1, 2016 1:59 pm

“territory and proprietorship” – Halacha includes those. If a Rav has no authority in an area he cannot present any Halchic ruling. Period. Aside for the CH Beis Din, which is a Beis Din Kavua (which gives them unique status as the sole Halachic arbitors in CH), no Rav can Halachically render rulings in CH. End of story.

Can we get an ok for Cholov Stam?
July 1, 2016 1:57 pm

I really REALLY like Haagen daz Icecream. It would really make my shabbos more enjoyable to eat Haagen das! It also pains me greatly when I cannot have it. Any chance of getting an ok for using Cholov Stam? Maybe write a Kuntes about it. BTW – please make sure that the hechsher is also good according the the Rabbeiim because I want my Haagen daz to be l’chol hadayos.

to number 12
July 1, 2016 1:51 pm

it cant be bemazid if the person is doing so by relying on rabbonim

Chachomim hizharoo bedivreichem
July 1, 2016 1:47 pm

On the border statements, who really is going to carry “only when they really need” ?! leadership skills are learnt with time, being a rav is not only “technical” halachik point of Veiw it’s about the “fifth book”! Understanding the community … As we’ve seen in the past paskening and acting on it when the case is nonexistent and made up ………….. Is not the way to go Those who know know….it was a clear proof of lack of comprehending and proper assessment the case at hand ! Making mistakes like that in this day and age with the Country… Read more »

A STORY WITH THE ALTER REBBE.
July 1, 2016 1:46 pm

A jew in times of the alter rebbe had a Question on Meat or on Chicken if it’s Kosher, He Wanted to ask this Question The Alter Rebbe Himself, But he Couldn’t Get a hold at that time of the Alter Rebbe, So he asked the question A Rov, So the rov Paskend that it’s TREIF, later on this Yid had a chance to ask THE ALTER REBBE HIMSELF THIS SAME QUESTION, so The Alter rebbe Answerd: That Be’etzem it’s Kosher – But it’s Laying on it an ISUR. – because the rov Paskend that it’s TREIF. So the Same… Read more »

Chinuh starts with inside the womb
July 1, 2016 1:46 pm

Why you all ignore women & little kids will to go to shul from day 0…. It’s better to grow inside the shul and not locked inside the houses/apartments ….. Where is the common sense ?
CH then have a problem of Tznius , problem of chinuh…crisis in shidduhim …etc ….
Women can’t be locked …little kids can’t be a korban ….
If it’s exist in many big cities why in the center of Chabad it still under muhlokes ….
Wise men are here that completely don’t understand and ignore women & kids rights

Eruv Rav
July 1, 2016 1:45 pm

Stop bashing each other..there are many hetering in lubavitch today…like non lubavitch meat being sold in crown heights..why don’t the rabbonim stop that..why are our children abandoning chassidusher hanhagos??? If a Rav paskens the eruv is kosher…its the individual person…family..to decide not mud sliding against both sides of this issue….enough said…think about your kids….

Why only use it in great need?
July 1, 2016 1:44 pm

If it’s a kosher eiruv, why does the author say to use it only in great need?

im so confused
July 1, 2016 1:38 pm

did the Rebbe say their can be a eruv or not? rabbi groner said that the rebbe said not in this community, so why are we still debating this, halacha has nohing to do with this, its the basic respect you give to the rebbe.

Rebbe's answeres
July 1, 2016 1:35 pm

This is the first time I see someone compiling all the answers from the Rebbe regarding Eiruvin. Apparently the Rebbe never wrote anything about any Eruv in Crown Heights. Can someone point to a source where the Rebbe wrote anything about Crown Heights?

Platya
July 1, 2016 1:32 pm

Rabbi Schochet writes that the concept of “platya” almost doesn’t exist today. He is forgetting about farmers’ markets, e.g. the one at Grand Army Plaza, which would seem to be the platya of the gemara. (Of course once it’s surrounded by a kosher eruv, it’s a reshus hayochid.)

We need the Rebbe back!
July 1, 2016 1:30 pm

These articles all show us how much we need the Rebbe back! It is almost chof ches Sivan, when the Rebbe came to America, and the Rebbe’s whole goal was to bring Moshiach. MOSHIACH NOW!

#16, what *about* the Rebbe's answer to Melbourne?
July 1, 2016 1:29 pm

The Rebbe’s answer to Melbourne, once the eruv was going to be a reality, was NOT to oppose it.

The Rebbe's total Ahavas Yisrael
July 1, 2016 1:28 pm

It’s Universally known : the Ahavas Yisrael of the Rebbe the Knowledge of Halachah of the Rebbe the Care the Rebbe took in his words, for clarity and the Rebbe said, it is well known that he is against an eiruv in a large city (includes Crown Heights) He always did the best for everyone. It is for the good of every individual to follow his guidance Do yourself a favor. ! no shame ! – to support a conflict with the Rebbe in his 4 amos ! ! ! Lichbosh es hamalkah imi babayis C”V ! ! ! PLEASE… Read more »

#14, you are 100% mistaken
July 1, 2016 1:27 pm

How do you think this works in every other city in the world? Do you imagine they collect food from every house?! In a bungalow colony do they do that?! No. The person making the eruv takes a box of matzah and gives a share in it to every person in the area, just as we do with eruv tavshilin. The halacha is that one may give someone a pure benefit without their knowledge and without their consent, and even over their protest. A protest is only valid if there is some down side to the person, some rational reason… Read more »

Hok a tcheinik
July 1, 2016 1:24 pm

This article is not worth anything. If the rabbonim of this shchuna said no than it’s no- no matter what this mechutzaf says. He doesn’t get to paskened for this shchuna

Enough of the fighting
July 1, 2016 1:22 pm

I can’t anymore enough please it hurts this war of words genug shoyn. The hurtful words to each other we are making each other enemies .
Have a great safe and peaceful Shabbos Whether you use the Eruv or not.

Thank you
July 1, 2016 1:20 pm

I won’t use the eruv but thank you Rabbi Shuchat. Now Jews that do use it won’t be under the terrible impression and stigma that they are “reform” Jews and “mechalel” Shabbos. Kudos. Very important to recognize different views within Halacha.

Just me and you
July 1, 2016 1:19 pm

A sane person indeed – appreciate your sharing and posting this.
Shame on all the balagan this already caused..if anyone really thought most would listen to CH rabbonim truly have their heads in the sand.

There has been enough comments on that logic and line of thinking – Hamayvin….

Wonderful shabos to all

live and let live
July 1, 2016 1:18 pm

If you don’t want the eruv, don’t use it, simple! For those that do want it, enjoy it!. The community has grown, and many residents are more lenient then others. It’s time to live and let live, and respect an opinion to agree to disagree.

QUESTION
July 1, 2016 1:17 pm

I you believe that your are a rov and a poisek, so you for sure know that the entire Neighborhood is obligated to listen to Rabbonei Hashchuno, And Particularly When the Rabbonei Hashchuno are a Beis Din KOVUA, – so why if you disagree with their Psak Din Would You Talk To The People of the Neighborhood Instead of Talking To The Beis Din DIRECT??!! Is this Mutor al pi shulchon Oruch to Be Machshil the Shchuno in not listening to Their Beis Din? And in the long Ron teaching them In General Not To listen To Rabonim!! Is this… Read more »

Morons
July 1, 2016 1:15 pm

He’s not telling u to use it or go against the rebbe, he’s telling u from a halachik standpoint that’s it’s kosher. It’s now up to u to use it. He’s not telling anyone to use it,i doubt he will use it

On the contrary
July 1, 2016 1:14 pm

Kol Israel chose not to make the eruv according to the Rambam, because it’s intended for their own people, not for Lubavitchers. By not making it according to the Rambam, they avoided putting a temptation in the way of Lubavitchers to use it, and thus hoped to stay out of the toxic intra-Lubavitch politics. So long as it doesn’t follow the Rambam, Lubavitchers should acknowledge that it’s a kosher eruv, but follow the Alter Rebbe’s recommendation not to use it, and there can be sholom al yisroel. If it becomes a Rambam eruv then each Lubavitcher would have to decide… Read more »

Bewildered
July 1, 2016 1:11 pm

Interesting. Shouldn’t the rabbis figure out how to implement this Rabbi’s suggestions as to how to improve the eiruv? Isn’t this something we can all agree on that if there’s an eiruv it should be under the most stringent halachic standards?!

to #10
July 1, 2016 1:11 pm

1. he never said the rebbe is for it, all he said is according to halacha it kosher (but not minhag chabad)

2. people dont listen to or respect those rabanim cause everything untill now was a fight or politics are some other nonsense.

your last line you right was really nice and respectful, ask your husband who has dayanus, if that was a proper comment to post.

p.s. and who do u think you are some young woman to speak against a talmid chacham??

take a deep breath and have a cup of tea

playing with....
July 1, 2016 1:10 pm

Water puts out fire so that’s stronger

Kosher won't help
July 1, 2016 1:07 pm

With all due respect Rabbi Shuchat, you were not elected by this community to be a Rav for this community. You must respect the elected Rabbonim just as we must, ESPECIALLY when they all agree. You can make the “eruv” as kosher as you want, it will not help, unless the elected Rabbonim agree to it. Do not under-estimate the power of a Psak Din by the Bais Din. Perhaps the following incident from the times of the Alter Rebbe will shed light on the issue: The parents of a small boy who overnight developed a severe learning disability in… Read more »

Wow
July 1, 2016 1:05 pm

Who aksed him to mix into this??? The Rabbonim of the shchuneh said there is no eiruv so there is no eiruv. Here is a list of questions to the moranic conditions to use the eiruv he presented: (a) there is no “great Need” only an Emergency situation. (b) how can a shmekerel like me learn and teach the laws of eiruvim when the rabbis said its very complicated. (c) i dont usually carry my phone on shabbos. (d) i don’t want to pay for it. tuition and rent are too high.so those who did not pay cant use the… Read more »

Dovid
July 1, 2016 1:04 pm

finally a sane Rov…
the old guys are weak.. not willing to stand for the truth..
the Rebbe was never against a Eruv…

What changed in Brooklyn
July 1, 2016 1:02 pm

What changed in Brooklyn, since Reb Moshe Z”l (together with many other Rabbonim) said it’s Mechallel Shabbos to use an eiruv in NY, including Brooklyn ?

Don't Get Carried Away
July 1, 2016 12:56 pm

It is very explicitly stated here that he said use it only in great need, ie in an absolute emergency, you’re technically OK, which isn’t the same as saying “everything’s cool, let’s all go ahead and carry.”

Chalav akum kosher
July 1, 2016 12:55 pm

Chalav akum kosher – not according to Chabad

Let’s encourage it , the Torah cares (not to waste money).

Rabbi Schuchat
July 1, 2016 12:54 pm

Thanks from the silent majority of CH.

arent you forgetting something
July 1, 2016 12:52 pm

The rebbe does not want an eruv in crown hts. The rabbanim of crown hts do not allow an eruv here. You can’t go against them according to halacha

Rabbi Schuchat
July 1, 2016 12:51 pm

Thanks for your words to cool off the people who are calling people reform and Mechalil Shabbas. People will now have an option to carry if they want and it will NOT BE CHILUL SHABBAS.

shabbos
July 1, 2016 12:47 pm

Its very hard almost impossible to let ppl know if the eiruv is posul on shabbos just by going to shul where ppl daven for just 2 hours in the morning and some will go out of the house not knowing about it till he gets to shul.

CH Resident
July 1, 2016 12:46 pm

Seems like a level-headed Rabbi.

Confused
July 1, 2016 12:45 pm

What about the Rebbes answer to Melbourne?

Parsha thought
July 1, 2016 12:44 pm

In this weeks Parsha we learn the story with the spies who went to scout Israel and at the end of the Parsha we learn the story of the man who desecrated the Shabbos by cutting wood. We know that the first and last story of the Parsha have to have a connection. The spies did not want to go into Israel because they did not want to do Mitzvot in a physical way. In the desert, they were only spiritual and they did not want to bring themselves down to a lowly physical level. As we know G-d was… Read more »

There is still on problem that no one addressed
July 1, 2016 12:43 pm

Part of making and aruv is having everyone who lives in the area within the aruv is required to give food before shabbos even if it within ones own building if you want to bring something from one apt to anothere there needs to be such an thing. Also there is a halacha that if one person does not agrre to have the aruv if they live within the aruv then the whole aruv is invalid so there is no way what so ever that this aruv can be kosher

Makes sence
July 1, 2016 12:42 pm

Thanks for posting this. That was an interesting point, thats once the eruv is up, we have to make sure its done properly. Again this doesnt change the fact that the rebbe didnt want it, and that its not a chabad eruv, but at least people are not desecrating shabbos. Good shabbos

hey
July 1, 2016 12:41 pm

Why doesnt he have a discussion with Rabbi Heller and Rabbi s.b, Levin, before posting. No one knows better then them!!
carrying Shabbos is mduraisa so extra caution here, beware! those doing this bmaizid is chayav skila !!Hashem Yishmor!

This should put an end to the drama
July 1, 2016 12:40 pm

No more calls for taking down the eruv, no more shaming of those who are for the eruv but at the same time, no more attempts to subvert local rabbonim by going to outsiders

Chutzpah
July 1, 2016 12:39 pm

Who are u…. some young avreich! Dayanus… so does my husband have Dayanus! So does many other lubavitchers!!
Shame on u that u speak against ;
1 the rebbe who said no to a crown heights eiruv,
2 all the local rabbonim schwei, osdoba, Braun, and Heller, who unanimously oppose the eiruv.
Keep urself out of trouble and stop embarresing your extended family!

Already rebutted...
July 1, 2016 12:38 pm

He’s ignorant and arrogant. Rabbi Levin already rebutted his argumets

To #1 (which is myself)
July 1, 2016 12:37 pm

I just read what he wrote:
כמובן שכל הנ”ל נכתב להלכה ולא למעשה, ופשוט שאי אפשר לפסוק מתוך המובא
כאןבלא התייעצות עם רבנים מורי הוראה בפועל.

But still!

What's going on??
July 1, 2016 12:36 pm

Rabbi Shuchat may be a tremendous Talmid Chacham etc. but even if theoretically he is right, nevertheless Crown Heights has Rabbonim. They said No- so No. Finished end of case! You want to discuss it with them?- Gezunterheit! But who gives the right especially one of our own, to openly give an ok to something that our Rabbanim said NO!?

What's going on??
July 1, 2016 12:34 pm

Rabbi Shuchat may be a tremendous Talmid Chacham etc. but even if theoretically he is right, nevertheless Crown Heights has Rabbonim. They said No- so No. Finished end of case! You want to discuss it with them?- Gezunterheit! But who gives the right especially one of our own, to openly give an ok to something that our Rabbanim said NO!?

:-)
July 1, 2016 12:30 pm

Ya right!
There is about 50 people giving their opinions!
What makes you so in charge!

Finally a sane voice from a MUMCHE
July 1, 2016 12:27 pm

He checked and says its koshe now you can decide if you want to use it.

Thanks Rabbi

Aaron
July 1, 2016 12:22 pm

BS”D
very learned except for one point-the Rebbe HIMSELF said no

Looking forward to the next thing
July 1, 2016 12:19 pm

So which proud Chabad chumrah will be next to fall?

Rov
July 1, 2016 12:17 pm

time for Rabbi Heller, Rabbi Osdoba, Rabbi Schwei and Rabbi Braun..
to get involved making sure the eruv is as kosher as possible and maintained…

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