By COLlive reporter
Two prominent rabbis are throwing their weight behind the controversial new Eruv in Crown Heights in a clear defiance of local Chabad rabbis who disapprove of its creation.
Built by neighboring Orthodox residents, the Eruv was denounced and rejected by senior Crown Heights figures such as Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba and Rabbi Yosef Heller.
Rabbi Osdoba forbade residents to carry on Shabbos despite the Eruv, stating that outside rabbis intervening in affairs within “our borders” would be contradictory to halacha.
But the fierce opposition is now being challenged by Rabbi Benzion Wosner, head of the Beis Din Shevet Halevi in Monsey, NY, and the son of the renowned late posek Rabbi Shmuel Wosner of Bnei Brak.
Writing to a Crown Heights resident, Rabbi Wosner encouraged him to “ignore them, and do what you have to do to enjoy Shabbos and its commandments by building an Eruv and carrying with pride and strength.”
In addition, Rabbi Wosner asked him to “warn those who scream and protest against those who built the Eruv and those who carry calling them Mechalelei Shabbos etc., that they should know that they are playing with fire.”
Last week, Rabbi Heller noted in his criticism that the rabbi certifying the Eruv remains unnamed and that an Eruv cannot be made in Crown Heights according to halacha. “The Eruv is not invalid, there simply is no Eruv,” he said.
In response, Rabbi Wosner states in his letter that the Eruv was indeed built by “a respectable Beis Din,” but he leaves their identity in the dark. He does state that it was checked by Rabbi David Tzubeli, an expert and Director of the Mehudar Eruv Organization in Lakewood, NJ.
Rabbi Tzubeli has previously said that he refused to be the supervisor of the Eruv “upon request of rabbis from the local Chabad Chassidim in Crown Heights” because of the related controversy.
In a new letter released on Wednesday, he stated that “I checked the Crown Heights Eruv and found it to be complete.” Rabbi Tzubeli added that there is a “group of professionals who check this Eruv every week, under the supervision of a Rav More Horaah, who is knowledgeable in the laws of Eruvin.”
His concludes that, in spite of Rabbis Osdoba and Heller’s statements, one who uses the Eruv has “many Poskim and great sages that he can rely on, and they surely cannot be called Mechalelei Shabbos.”
Here is an English translation of the 2 new Hebrew letters:
Rav Benzion Yaakov Halevi Wosner, Av Beis Din Shevet Halevi of Monsey – Beit Shemesh
B”H, Tuesday of the week of “and I will calm down [turning away] from Myself the complaints of the children of Israel” [Parshas Korach], 5776
Regarding the Eruv which is currently built for the sake of the Crown Heights community, by a respectable Beis Din, and which was checked by Harav Hagaon David Aharon Tzubeli Shlita, and other Rabbis, I have already written to that Rabbi how to deal with this, and the main point is to ignore those who protest and scream, for screaming and protests have been in the past, in the days of the Rishonim and Acharonim, as explained in the responsa of the Rosh, Tashbetz and other Poskim which I mentioned in my letter to him, and all of them have completely rejected them;
Likewise, you too should ignore them, and do what you have to do to enjoy Shabbos and it’s commandments by building an Eruv and carrying with pride and strength, as the holy Rabbi Chaim Vital Z”L wrote in Shaar Hakavanos (Inyanei Shabbos) that his Rebbe, the Arizal, would carry the Siddur and Tallis on Shabbos morning to the Mikvah, and wouldn’t even ask if the Eruv is Kosher, and likewise was done by many Tzadikim and Gedolei Yisroel in every city, in every place where there was an Eruv, including the big cities, as was written by the Rosh, Tashbetz and Chasam Sofer based on what it says clearly in Gemara; among those who carried was the Bnei Yissaschar ZY”A, and I have seen Maase Rav my Rebbe the Beis Yisroel ZY”A, and my father my master and teacher, the Shevet Halevi [Rabbi Shmuel Wosner] ZTZ”L, as he wrote in two Teshuvos in his responsa Shevet Halevi (Volume 8) regarding the importance of Eruvin, one of them regarding the Eruv I built in Greater Chicago in the area where the Chareidim live, and he is who sent me to build it (see his responsa there).
My beloved friends, why should I write at length about such a simple thing? It is a clear halacha in Shulchan Aruch, and so our fathers and leaders have done throughout the generations, from when King Solomon instituted the Eruv, as it is written in the Gemara (Eruvin 21a), that on that day a voice from heaven called out “if your heart has grown wise, my heart too will rejoice”, from then until today, and all this was done even when there was extreme poverty in the Jewish communities, for in those days they didn’t have the opportunities we have today, both because of the governments and because today we have the option of building Eruvin which are very Mehudar, as I have explained in the responsa.
Based on the above, may your hands be strengthened in the building of the Eruv to benefit the masses; to those who protest, you should follow the first rule of the Shulchan Aruch (the beginning of Orach Chaim), “don’t be ashamed from those who mock you,” especially if it pertains to honoring the Shabbos; and you should warn those who scream and protest against those who built the Eruv and those who carry calling them Mechalelei Shabbos etc., that they should know that they are playing with fire, like our sages have said in Gemara (Eruvin ibid) regarding those who mock the words of our sages, which this applies especially to the concept of building an Eruv in every possible place, which was something they dedicated their souls to do, to save the masses from transgressing the prohibition of carrying [from a private domain to a public domain], and for the purposes of enjoying the Shabbat; and the Rosh, Tashbetz and Chasam Sofer warned in very sharp words against those who wanted to eliminate the Eruv in their days.
I would like to ask you, please do all that you can to add peace, which is the way of the Torah, especially with the heads of your dear city, for I personally know the important community of Lubavitch, and some of their respected and beloved Rabbonim Shlita; and if they [=those who oppose the Eruv] are still stubborn in their ways, let them to do as they wish and not carry, and you do what you have to do with pride and strength and with great happiness, to honor and enjoy Shabbos according to the Shulchan Aruch (Siman 395) who implored on the need and obligation to build an Eruv in every place, as explained in the Beis Yosef, Bach and Prisha (ibid), based on the words of the Gemara, and based on the vast majority of Gedolei Yisroel and the Minhag of our fathers and Rabbis in every city. May G-d be with you, the valiant soldiers, to give you both worlds, this world and the world to come, in the merit of Shabbos and its blessings.
And what you wrote in the name of one Rabbi that according to the Alter Rebbe the Eruv is not Kosher, this is not true at all, for when you add together the other Heterim there isn’t a single Posek who prohibits, and this is not the place to expound on this matter, just know that this is the opinion of the vast majority of Poskim; and I have already written to that Rabbi, that Lmaaseh even the Mishna Berura and the Igros Moshe [Rav Moshe Feinstein] will agree to permit in this matter, and more so, they both wrote clearly that one may not protest against those who are lenient, and why would those who oppose the Eruv go against them, and lie to the simple folk claiming that they wish to follow their rulings? Rather they are those who follow the footsteps of Korach to add Machlokes, and on you the Torah says “and the one He chooses, He will draw near to Him.”
Remember this rule, the ways of the Torah are the ways of pleasantness, and you will not lose out from following the Torah; G-d has not found a better vessel for receiving blessing better than peace. Be strong and fortified, be happy and rejoice in the happiness of the new Eruv in Crown Heights, for the honor of the Torah and the honor of Shabbos, and in the merit of the Eruv we should all merit the redemption speedily in our days, Amen.
These are the words of your friend,
Bentzion Yaakov Halevi Wosner
son of my father my master and my teacher Hagaon Rav Shmuel Vosner, author of Shevet Halevi, ZTZ”L
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Rav David Aharon Tzubeli
Director of the “Mehudar Eruv Organization” Lakewood, NJ
To whom it may concern,
About a week ago I was asked by one of the Rabbis to state my opinion in writing to him, privately, regarding the new Eruv in Crown Heights. I wrote to him, that since the local Rabbis are opposed to it, I, therefore recommend not to use the Eruv for carrying. And I made a condition that this letter shall not be publicized.
But to my utter dismay the recipient of the letter didn’t listen to me and published the letter against my will, and more so, the letter was used for the purposes of persecuting those who carried, and to say that they are Mechalelei Shabbos R”L, and I was very saddened to hear that this has happened.
After I spoke to Harav Hagaon Rav Bentzion Wosner Shlita (and other Rabbis), he told me that I must clarify that it is not so, and those who carried in the previous Shabbosim – are obviously not Mechalelei Shabbos R”L.
I checked the Crown Heights Eruv and found it to be complete, and if it would have been in any other city in the world – I would have written that it is permissible to use it for carrying on Shabbos, but in big cities on which there is a debate among the great Rabbis of the previous generation (and I am like earth under their feet) I am not fit to render an opinion, and it is not appropriate that I get involved in this dispute. It is therefore that I said that I am not the supervising Rabbi for this Eruv (especially since I don’t want to get involved in the leadership and customs of this community).
Obviously, just as in any other Eruv, there must be a weekly inspection to the Eruv to ensure that it is Kosher, and to cut the tree branches when they grow etc. (and indeed I spoke with the group of professionals who check this Eruv every week, under the supervision of a Rav More Horaah, who is knowledgeable in the laws of Eruvin, and they take care of this).
I wish to repeat what I wrote earlier, that those who follow the Poskim who permit [said Eruv], he surely has many Poskim and great sages that he can rely on, and they surely cannot be called Mechalelei Shabbos Ch”v.
Signing for the sake of peace and for the sake of the holiness of Shabbos and the Jews,
Tuesday, Parshas Shlach
David Aharon Tzubeli
(son of Rabbi Malkiel Tzubeli)
Director of the Mehudar Eruv Organization
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I would not carry in the street I would not carry a treat to eat I would not lift my son up High I would not yell out “Look, He’s Fry” I do not wish to start a fight I do not wish to say I’m right I do not wish to act in spite I wish to lift our Yiddishkeit What good is it to point and blame To watch the Heights rise up in flames No matter who you wish to shame I will not play this little game Of course there is a right and wrong And… Read more »
This is about bigger things. Our rabbanin made a psak so why are we even listening or posting something which isn’t relevant to us. We follow what our rabanim hold. There fore there is no question about the Eruv. It is pusul in crown heights untill one of our rabanim come out and matir it.
i believe its spelled chabad lite as in miller lite
Those that wish to carry on Shabbos, should move to Monsey or Lakewood
Now I understand what the Chumash says
Vigam Eirav Rav olu imohem
There was a Eirav Rov that seemed to akways pasken different then Moishe Rabeinu 😉😳
This Wosner is a corrupt, greedy individual, who trades on his great father’s name to make money. He caused his father terrible עגמת נפש, as is well known. Ask anyone who deals with dinei torah–whether a beis din or a toen. This Wosner has been implicated in dozens of cases where he took bribes etc. No beis din recognizes his rulings. Someone obviously paid him to write this. The biggest chutzpa is the way he’s mevatel the Alter Rebbe’s shita, by saying that the majority of poskim hold otherwise. We know that the Alter Rebbe was recognized as תנא ופליג–one… Read more »
SINAS CHINOM!! Stop going against another person! The Beis Hamikdosh was destroyed because no one had respect for other people, and everyone was fighting. R’ Akiva’s students? SAME STORY!! Just know what YOU are going to do. Know if you carry or not! If you are unsure, check with your PERSONAL Rov! Respect other people for who they are, what there opinion is, and let them have their opinion! You DON’T HAVE TO ARGUE!!! If the Rebbe Nosi Doreinu said you should not carry, then don’t! If you follow Rabbi Benzion Wosners ruling, then carry with pleasure on Shabbos! If… Read more »
Why are they called Chabad light when in fact they are chabad dark. They bring nothing but darkness with them. This magaifah should have been stopped in its tracks when they first started. all those “lites” that walk around the neighborhood three quarters undressed should find themselves another neighborhood where they can take all their clothes off. Maybe Sir Wosner would like them in his neighborhood since he’s maykil on EVERYTHING and has no regard for even the alter Rebbe.(frankly, I wouldn’t trust the kashrus in his home)
shabbos gimmel tammuz is parshas korach just remember what happened in the torah when someone started up with the nasi hador………….
Rabbi Voznar is very very very Smart. You see, unlike the other rabbis from Mea She’orim, Rabbi Vazner understands that we shouldn’t be like the fanatics. You see, the fanatics holler ‘shabes! shabes!’, throw stones at cars, etc. But only a few very very Smart rabbis have accumulated so much life experience, that, they really know that its not always wise to be machmir, but a smart rabbi, and a normal rabbi, is maykeel . “Mdarf Nisht AleMul Zein Meshugeh Machmir”. Therefore, because only very few Rabbunim were granted this knowledge, and you have to be very verry Smart to… Read more »
When will this all end? We need moshiach now! Ad mosai!!!
and all the other’s comparing the Zablo to this case:
Rabbi Rosenberg was chosen by the Rabonim chosen by the Beis Din to act as a Dayan in the zablo. He did not come and mix in on his own accord. The zablo was accepted by all members of the Beis Din.
But in this case, Wozner just came along and expressed his opinion without consulting the local Rabonim.
(This should be clear to anyone with a bit of brains)
I appreciate your sence of humor. You made me laugh. Good comment to top it all off
Was rabbi Wozner also the Rav hamachshir of the TREIFAH meat sold in Monsi a few years ago to the Chareidi community??? Just checking…
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It’s not circular reasoning it is Reductio ad absurdum and it is a legitimate form of argument as long as you accept the no rav will premise.
That was also likely his entire intent.
Nice circular reasoning over there.
Wellington is in New Zealand.
Therefore, Wellington is in New Zealand
One thing is for sure this would not happen in Willliamsburg,Kiryas Yoel, square etc because they have stronger leadership and followers!
A man complains to his Rabbi, about somebody who did him wrong. The Rabbi says “you’re right!”
The other party then does the same, defending himself, and the Rabbi says “you’re right!”
The Rabbi’s wife then asks the Rabbi, “how can they both be right?”
The Rabbi answers her “you’re right!”
Callyou call yourself luibavich . you know that you’re rebbi made a big war against eruv w r not reformed but I do agree you have the right to be reformed in America but do not Proclaim yourself as a lubav thank you. and one more point I remember the rabbi said that the rabbis of this neighborhood are for everybody including you.
don’t like it ? move to Amsterdam Or San Francisco!!!!!!!
Please translate what you wrote! I understand it and feel others who don’t know Hebrew need to see this as well.
We live in A free world who ever wants to use the eiruv has full right to use it and stay in Crown Heights if you have an issue move to the Arab-Muslim World where there is NO free world.
Live & Let Live… Stop all this selfish hate, take your time worrying about real issue. JP.
AND IF HE DOES_ THATS YOUR PROOF THAT HES NO RAV AND KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT HALACHA>
IT JUST MEANS HE WAS PAID WELL TO SAY IT>
DONT BE A FOOL AND BELIEVE A FAKER…….
BE SMART AND USE YOUR HEAD
While I am in favor of an Eruv in general as it can be a life changer… I am strongly not in favor of importing counsel from outside a community especially a community which was headed by the greatest human being The Rebbe I would like to ask if these same people are taking the rest of their sheelot to these rabbis? Their laws on Tsinius and use of Internet rival those of lehavdil the Taliban!!!! Bottom line a community defers to the ruling of its BD and the BD should show Ahdut for its community to rely on it….… Read more »
Please translate.
Erevin is a great thing but its not our thing in Crown Heights as per The Rebbes wishes, just like daf yomi is a great thing just not our thing
we need to get back on track
If a Rav of Monsey can Pasken if Rabbi Braun is a qualified Rav of Crown Heights – why can’t a Rav of Monsey not Pasken if the Eruv of Crown Heights is Kosher or not?!
Not one rav in CH know hilchos eruvin as good as Rav Wosner, just saying.
Right look up the Bnei Yissaschar and the Chidushei Harim on parshas Korach and you will see it is those who oppose the eruv that are Mamesh masseh korach.
He should find out what happened to the people who went against the rebbe in the story with vechter and korf….
Rabbi Hertz the mara d`asra of Lubavitch in chicago paskens use of the eruv and you see in his shul many strollers on shabbos. He also allows his children and grandchildren to be brought by others to shul for simchos
Did he actually check the eruv and give a hechsher on it?
How can he say that one can use it if he never actually checked to see if it is a kosher eruv
On a side note I am still looking for 1 rabbi that was machshir this specific eruv (I dont necessarily mind the concept of a ch eruv, (not that I would carry myself) but as far as I know (and PLEASE correct me if I am wrong) no rabbi has openly said that they know hilchos eruvin backwards and forwards and they are machshir the eruv.
In Igros Kodesh (volume 16, page 308) the Rebbe writes to Horav Hagoan Reb Yosef Dovid Moskowitz, who wrote a Sefer about Eiruv: בהנוגע לשומרי תורה ומצוות, שעליהם דווקא אמרו חז״ל דמורי היתרא לנפשייהו (באם רק ימצא איזה יסוד ואמתלא שיהי׳) שעלול פרסום הדבר להביא אותם עד לפרצות כו׳. ולאחרי הפרסום יהי׳ הענין בגדר לא יוכל לתיקון, אפילו אם ירצה. – האזהרה רבה שבפתיחת הקונטרס – כבר ראו במוחש, שאין זה מועיל בדבר הנדפס ומתפרסם, כיון שבעונותינו הרבים רווחת השיטה דבהיתרא ניחא. ובפרט במדינה זו, אשר ה״רע-בנים״ עומדים על משמרתם – משמרת לעומת ה׳ ולעומת תורתו – לפרוץ חומת הדת… Read more »
Im sorry to break this to you, but Crown Heights belongs to the lubavitcher Rebbe! The Rebbe’s opinion is clear!
Either Accept it ot move out…
BS”Dear Rabbi Wosner,
You write: “the holy Rabbi Chaim Vital Z”L wrote in Shaar Hakavanos (Inyanei Shabbos) that his Rebbe, the Arizal, would carry the Siddur and Tallis on Shabbos morning to the Mikvah, and wouldn’t even ask if the Eruv is Kosher”. Could you please show me where exactly Rabbi Chaim Vital writes this?
There are products UNIVERSALLY not accepted with a hechsher, you don’t eat it, don’t make a machlokes about it ??
There are basic problems with the eiruv according to OBJECTIVE approach halachah. Explained in English also easily available. We’ll continue to deny, lie, wait & see we’ll fool ’em
How lubavitch can try to be mezake people with tefillin etc. but because they are peeved , they rip an eruv…. It proves they have no ahavas yisrael, only ahavas harebbe….. And they wonder why the haredi world sneers at them…..
“the Rebbe was clearly an advocate of a hidden Eruv” – true, but not in Crown Heights where he opposed it.
People from another neighborhood didn’t have place to carry & had to carry in Crown Heights ? THEY didn’t have space ?
Smells of a lie r”l. No shame.
The Rebbe’s opinion is printed and publicized widely. Although it doesn’t say the words “Crown Heights” it clearly includes Crown Heights.
Anyone who continues to say it’s not so, would deny it, if there is an announcement, hand written & , signed by the Rebbe, verified by DNA, displayed in public !!
WE KNOW THE REBBE’S OPINION ABOUT A CITY EIRUV INCLUDING IN CROWN HEIGHTS ! It “is well known”.
Hmm, if we continue to say let’s see if in print, we’ll confuse some more people to our side. Toss the fact under the bus.
its not kosher either way.
mechalel shabbos whether its ripped or not.
same.
you honestly think you can shift blame on one who tore it? its irrelevant.
dont use it in first place when you were warned about 100 times that its nonexistent to begin with.
The issues here are… 1. The in fighting and lack of respect 2. The rabonim have been at some sort of peace deal for the past while – so it’s been kinda ok – but if there was true unity before this and now it would most likely have never gone this far into a debate and they would be leading the community from a position of unity and strength – which clearly must happen once and for all and for th sake of bringing the geulah. 3. So the rabonim com out with a psak- okay… Whether you agree… Read more »
It was Lubavitch Chasidim from Crown Heights including myself on occasion who for many years walked extra blocks through crime ridden streets to complete the minyan every Shabbos and save the Kol Yisroel shul from closing down after most of its members fled the area. Seems we may have made a mistake, now that they are biting the hands that fed them.
Can’t avoid it forever….
To 224 You seem to have a hatred to Lubavitch, and not from today Wake up, Lubavitch accepts every Jew no matter who he or she may be. Lubavitch Does NOT PUSH their ways of thinking on ANYONE. YOU are stuck in your little Borough park and cant take it when a Rov from a shul appreictaes when a lubavitcher walked for an hour each way to be mesameach another jew and say a dvar torah. it is NEVER done against the Shuls Rov. in addition go out to the world and see how lubavitchers act all over including in… Read more »
It all borders on two distinct aspects, which need to be seperated; 1) The Halachic technicalities of constructing an eruv in general 2) The fundamental shita the Rebbe had specifically about a CH Eruv, which may have other far reaching considerations, and not all were necessarily spelled out . But the churban lies in Rabbonim who dont clarify the issues, who decry using the eruv as mechalelei shabbos, who don’t present a proper explanation from a halachic perspective, in why not to use the eruv, in lacking the respect of the community, in internal fighting, and in not knowing –… Read more »
STOP SPURRING AHAVAS YISROEL AHAVAS YISROEL WHILE YOU ACT WITH UTTER DISREGARD TOWARD YOUR PARENTS, TEACHERS, ELDERS, ELDERLY CHASIDIM WHINING TOLERANCE TOLERANCE . THEY HAVE ALREADY HAD TO PUT UP WITH THE PRITZUS AND HEFKEIRUS YOU BROUGHT TO THEIR STREETS. PLEASE STOP MOCKING THEM MAN UP SHOW AN OUNCE OF RESPECT TO YOUR ELDERS AND STOP FLASHING AND STOP FLASHING THE AHAVAS YISROEL FLAG. NO OTHER COMMUNITY IN THE WORLD WOULD PUT UP WITH YOUR INCESSANT PUSTKEIT YET HERE YOU’VE BEEN TOLERATED UNCONDITIONALLY FOR D DECADES. IF YOU WANT US TO STOP SAYING REBBE REBBE THAN YOU SHOULD ALSO STOP… Read more »
It’s not 50-50,
The comments here show that it’s more like 10% pro eiruv and 90% against it…
There were people who were pro the eiruv, but once rabonim from other comunities started going against our rabanim, they became against the eiruv.
So thank you Rabbi Wosner for making us realize that anyone who agrees with the eiruv agrees with Korach
EXACTLY what I was thinking…
This article actually made me cry… horrific…Where are all the Rabbonim? What will they do to stand up to this. Rachmana Litzlan!!! I thought the total disregard for all normal tznius lines was the lowest we could go… I guess the satan sees the end is really close and is putting up one heck of a battle
Ani hakaton. I won’t stop until i remake ch into one of the most progressive jewish neighborhoods in nyc. get ready.
The Eruv was made by people who hold that they can use it but that does not give a right for every rabbi in crown heights to start shaming people.
crown heights does not belong to anybody, if someone got permission from the city to put it up they could do that.
If you have a problem with it DONT USE IT!!!
Perhaps it is all a good thing. A wake up call to stand behind our Rabbonim. The Machlokes between our Rabbonim are the people and troublemakers behind it – deffinitely not the Rabbonim set up in MemVov – in front of the Rebbe who the Rebbe reffered to them as “drei chassidisher Rabbonim. (Rabbis Marlow, Osdoba and Heller. And btw between them was always only the deepest respect for each other). Lets stand behind them.
“In a reply to a yechidus query in the winter of 5635 (1874-75), my grandfather said to my father: The yetzer hara, (the evil impulse), is called “animal soul,” not because it is necessarily a brute animal. At times it may be a fox, the most cunning of beasts, and great wisdom is needed to perceive its machinations. At other times it may clothe itself in the garb of an earnest, straightforward, humble tzadik, possessing fine traits of character. My father concluded: Until then I had not known that there can be a “pious” animal soul, let alone a “chassidic”… Read more »
For months everyone said there’s not 1 Rov in the world that says there’s a real Eruv, now this Rov says he saw it, and it’s 100% Kosher so you all start calling him names.
If someone feels that it’s not up to the Alter Rebbe’s standards don’t use it. Why is there so much hate. Can’t we all just get along.
Rav Benzion Yaakov Halevi Wosner, Av Beis Din Shevet Halevi of Monsey – Beit Shemesh “B”H, Tuesday of the week of “and I will calm down [turning away] from Myself the complaints of the children of Israel” [Parshas Korach], 5776″ Just heard that this Rabbi has lost position after position due to his causing “trouble”. His letter seems to back that up, since he writes that it is the week of Korach, something someone who is living in Israel would write, due to calendar issues. He is definitely stirring up trouble with this letter, which starts off with a lie:… Read more »
This Vosner, got it right about “playing with fire”, indeed. The only thing which Vozner got wrong, is the ***WHO***, is the one, who is playing with fire. The following is a story to illustrate the point: When the Freideker Rebbe was arrested and certain interrogator (a yid) of the KGB was trying to threaten, torture and give orders to the Freideker Rebbe, and the Freideker Rebbe refused to give in, to his Tormentors, the Jewish KGB person, being very frustrated, thad threatened the Freideker Rebbe by saying: “Mir Velen Dir Unlernenen” Meaning he threatened the Freideker Rebbe by saying… Read more »
As an outside, I don’t live in CH… Who’s paying Rabbi Wosner
or the Eruv Rabbi to cons do this? This runs in the tens of thousands of dollars..Rabbi Wosner doesn’t just get involved and spend substantial time on something unless he is being compensated accordingly
We as Chabad Chasidim if we don’t follow the Alter Rebbe’s psak or the other rabbi I’m in particular the Rebbes – for us it’s chilull Shabbos. The same if someone of us touches his beard he is oiver a issur d’oireise; because the Tzemach Tzedeck paskend so. You can’t pick and choose what you want because you grow up in Chabad you are obligated to the piskei din and minhogim of Raboiseinu Nesieinu. That’s the Rebbes opinion in many Sichois and letters. And I don’t think that there is anyone who’s arguing with this. שמע בני מוסר אביך ואל… Read more »
What I think this demonstrates is that clearly the Eruv is kosher and according to Halachah. On the other hand, clearly there is great opposition form Lubavitcher Chasidim to erect an Eruv in the neighborhood of the Rebbe. It is very difficult for many to accept this kind of change and that is understandable. Let me also remind you that the Rebbe was clearly an advocate of a hidden Eruv. This by definition means an Rruv can be kosher. If there was no way to make an Eruv Kosher, it would have been futile for the Rebbe to suggest making… Read more »
How can you expect people to follow the Alter Rebbe’s psak on eruvim when they eat meat not shechted according to the Alter Rebbe? Look in stores in Crown Heights. And some places for cholov Yisroel use video cameras or some sort of remote for bishul Yisroel. This is the basis for the weakening.
The one who originally introduced going to other Rabbonim, were some leaders who asked a Beis Din of another community to put a Cherem on our Rabbonim when Rabbi Marlow was still alive.
Ask them to undo the damage they began. A very famous Mashpia was one of them.
THE ONLY THING OF ANY MERIT THAT THIS SO CALLED “ROV-POSEK” IS THAT HE CARRIES HIS FATHER’S LAST NAME. HIS NEFARIOUS REPUTATION PRECEDES HIM IN ALL RABBINICAL CIRCLES, HIS PESAKIM ARE A LITERAL JOKE BY ALL OTHER RABBONIM, AND HE CAUSED MASSIVE AGGRAVATION TO HIS FATHER WHO WAS A WORLD REKNOWNED POSEK. HIS BRAZEN AND SHAMEFUL LETTER ARE CLEAR CUT INDICATIONS OF HIS DUBIOUS CHARACTER. I JUST SPOKE TO ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHASSIDISHE DAYANIM IN MONSEY THAT IS RESPECTED BY ALL FACTIONS, AND HAS MADE MOST OF THE EIRUVIN AROUND TODAY.HE WAS THE ONE ORIGINALLY ASKED TO MAKE THE… Read more »
Who’s Mixing Into Who?
First I’m told the anti-Eruv police are mixing into the freedom and individuality of the pro-eiruv Stroller Moms.
But now I’m hearing that it’s the pro-Eiruv people who are budding their nose in.
So Who’s the one interjecting their mish ins?
Is it the pro or against?
Confused
I hear he’s actually Ultra Super Machmir when it comes to other questions… Borderline Fanatic…. Yet strangely Maykel on behalf of the Stroller Pushers… since Er Fah Shtat dem inyen.
It’s also possible he’s been duped into writing the statement by another bigger and more powerful but smarter and hidden cult leader whose using Wasner. Why else would he Dr o something so stupid? Still, Eyn Shliach Ldvar Avayreh
The Rebbe answered that the only way an eruv should be built is of no one knows about it. This will save the people who don’t care and carry on shabbos. But to build an eruv and tell people about it so that they will carry their taleisim to Shul is a terrible mistake and avlah, since it is impossible that it won’t break at some point and people will carry on shabbos because they do not know that it broke. Therefore wherever halachically possible to build it should be done but ONLY IN SECRET TO SAVE THOSE THAT CARRY… Read more »
One cannot meddle in a community with a Bais Din.
Rabbi Wazner wouldn’t accept from another Rav, the same goes for R’ Wasner himself.
Thus, his psak is worthless !
I stopped reading the comments after the one that said 10 min before shabbos he will rip it down.
A posut shoite ignoramus you are – nothing more.
let me tell you – if you re caught and we have cameras you will be prosecuted for vandalism including those that sent you.
That said if you don’t hold of the Eiruv simply do NOT use it.
What do u think ab the whole eiruv thingy? Idk but I guess if ur rav says u could it’s fine 2 if u need a stroler or old ppl bring theyre things it’s fine. it’s not only chabad ppl living here, there is others. why should there be fights, if u want to use use if u don’t don’t. I think live and let live. Like I’m not going to use it but stop policing others. But the letter that the monsey posek wrote was a little off. Crown heights just can’t stop fighting! Maybe, hopefully , prob not,… Read more »
The Gemoro sharing Shlomo Hamelech’s Takana regarding Eiruv in is NOT referring to the Eiruv being discussed here. It’s referring to the Chumra that he instituted , obligating us to make a Eiruv Chazeiros to be allowed to carry from one private domain into an adjacent other private domain.
I wonder if all to jump on the new great endorsement of this rov will make sure their wife’s adhere to his halachic rulings on the laws of “tznius”(dressing modestly).
Next projet a magnifacent intercontinental Eiruv crossing over the Atlantic, so that Rebbitzen Vosner could from her home in the Middle East mix her nose over and into Crown Heights to push her stroller into our Ezras Nashim.
MIX OUT, LADY
Move to Monsey. There’s no reason for you to stay here and not listen to our legitimate Rabbanim when they take a stand. Please post your name, and those of others who will be mechallel Shabbos by using the eruv. We aren’t allowed to eat in your home, have you as an ayd, nor invite you to our homes if we choose to put non mevushal wines on our table.
As someone who lives in Borough Park, I must say that watching all of this unfold is really quite sad. In the larger frum world (yes, even-or especially-the Chasidishe velt), Lubavitch is understood to often overstep their boundaries in cities where they set up shuls where pre-existing frum communities with rabbonim are found, explaining that they need not follow the local halachic authority because they are Lubavitch. They continue to send bochurim to our shuls in Borough Park on Simchas Torah, to say teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbes in those shuls, shouting over the opposition of the mispallelim and rabbonim… Read more »
THAT’S NOT YOUR BUSINESS
“In a reply to a yechidus query in the winter of 5635 (1874-75), my grandfather said to my father: The yetzer hara, (the evil impulse), is called “animal soul,” not because it is necessarily a brute animal. At times it may be a fox, the most cunning of beasts, and great wisdom is needed to perceive its machinations. At other times it may clothe itself in the garb of an earnest, straightforward, humble tzadik, possessing fine traits of character. My father concluded: Until then I had not known that there can be a “pious” animal soul, let alone a “chassidic”… Read more »
eiruv can be made between several houses, but you need to know the rules. its not that the alter rebbe assered eiruvim period.. in camps, there are no 16 ama wide roads, or includes a street which is connected to a city . of course eruvim are permissable in certain circumstances
The Satmar Rebbe Horav Yoel Zatzal did not allow an eruv in willwamsburg and ad hayom satmar chassdim do not use an eruv not in Boro Park or Willwamsburg.
same opinion as the Lubavitcher Rebbe Zatzal !
I challenge you to provide one irrefutable, written or printed source from the rebbe, that says that in crown heights there may not be an eruv. Hearing from someone else who says he heard, or seeing something printed about another community, is not halachic or chassidic proof for another area. as far as crown heights community, and as far as the rabbis who weigh in with their own interpretation of halacha – I challenge you to establish what “crown heights community.” what blocks constitute crown heights, and on what do you base that constitution? What IS written from the rebbe,… Read more »
על פי הלכה אין לרב הזה שום כח הפסיקה על שכונה שלא שייכת אליו.
כמובא בפוסקים
ואפילו לשיטתו הוא עובר בלפני עיוור לא תיתן מכשול. על הלאו דלא תסורו מן הדבר
שאסור לעבור על פסק של המרא דאתרא
its time for ALL leaders in CH. ALL rabonim badats and hakloli and aguch and roshei yeshivos to come out in a united way against anyone outside of CH mixing in
Will begin to listen your opinion.you have nothing to offer our community you are Not smarter than the Lubavitcher Rebbe.
Perhaps you are looking for some publicity.maybe you want to move to Crown heights.
How can you expect people to follow the Alter Rebbe’s psak on eruvim when they eat meat not shechted according to the Alter Rebbe? Look in stores in Crown Heights. And some places for cholov Yisroel use video cameras or some sort of remote for bishul Yisroel. This is the basis for the weakening.
גראדע האט דער מחוצף וואזנער א איידעם א ליובאוויטשער און ירושלים מיט’ן נאמען הערשעל ווייס
TO COME IN TO ANOTHER SHCUNAH AND VOICE YR OPINION , IS NOT RESPECTFUL OF THE RABBONIEM
HERE IN C.H. ITS NOT
MAY HASHEM PROTECT HIM AND HIS FAMILY
Appalled. Straight from the samech mem. I’d love an eruv. But I would never use one based on my understanding of the Rebbe’s opinion the matter. Rov Heller brought down true gedolie hador who would be against it in addition to pointing out that the Alter Rebbe although did not say that 16 Amos without 600k is a reshos harabim according to all we should go according to the the more stringent opinion. In light of the above it is an out right chutzpah that the wosner fellow decided to join etc. Saying that one should rather enjoy Shabbos than… Read more »
I don’t wish to comment on whether the Eiruv is good or not. I would just like to question this Rabbi Wosner. How would he react if someone from his community ask a rabbi from crown heights to make an Eiruv on his community and he didn’t agree with it. Would he sing the same tune.
HE is playing with fire by playing with the Rebbe. Even from a non lubavitch perspective this rabbi is openly disregarding the words of ALL of the local Rabbanim.
hashem yeracaim on him and his family
Since the Rebbe opposed the Eiruv ein lonu elo divrei ben amrom. In reference to the Chicago eiruv, Hago’on Rav Aron Soloveichik Z”L asered it and maintained that it was chilul Shabbos Du’raisa. Rav Ahron was not the only one opposed. So were the Roshei Yeshiva from Telshe and the Roshei Kollel of the Chicago Community Kollel (Lakewood). av Ahron was opposed to the Eruv for two reasons. One was the Brisker position that a Reshsus HaRabbim D’Oraisa (biblically defined public domain) does not require a population of Shishim Riva (600,000 residents). As long as the width of any public… Read more »
By ripping down the eiruv, you are making others do an Avaira. Why make something that’s not proper an actual Avaira?
Very helpful.
mistame no body listens to him where he lives so he thinks that we wont listen to our rabbonim here
and by telling us not to listen automatically we will be listening to him
So is it a problem to use an eiruv in community that has it, chabad camp…? Does it make a difference if it’s an alter rebbe eiruv? How about carrying on my porch, lawn area with an eiruv made, or carrying to the next house through a gate, if they are surrounded by the same fence that makes the eiruv?
When can I disagree with the mara d’asra? Someone lays claim to another’s possessions. “The majority of poskim rule in my favor,” the claimant avers. The current owner counters that there is a halachic opinion in his favor, and majority or minority is irrelevant: “Kim li—I am of this opinion!” According to halachah, the item is indeed his, free and clear—the rule of chazakah (presumptive ownership) is such that the Beis Din has no right to exhort from the muchzak (one who has something in his possession) based on majority opinion. One exception to this rule is if the current… Read more »
Excuse me?
How about the fact that the rebbe was positive about him becoming Rov.
Yes there is war, but in war there are wrongs on both sides.
When are the Rabonim going to come out that it is not a good idea to vandalize the Eruv?
Im sure someone posted this and thank you. past, present and future. Crown Heights is be the Rebbe’s shchuna and who ever wants to carry can choose to do so, 1)weather or not there is an eruv, 2) by moving somewhere where it is allowed, besides the fact, poor Boys/bochurim who have to walk on Kingston ave or any other street to see not tznius Woman. I guess people are really lost and dont know how much the Rebbe wants us to bring Moshiach. All we can do is pray for the people who are challenged, and hope that those… Read more »
and LOOK at the following
May this be the beggining of the end of the machloikes
Regardless of your personal beliefs in laws and customs, if one believes at all, in our G-d and Judaism, how are you going to answer after 120, when on purpose, you caused so many to be Mechalel Shabbos? Maybe the zealots don’t really believe, just like many a previous set of violent thugs, running wild and amok.
Agreed. Did the Alter Rebbe tell us to fight the misnagdim?
Sick. Stop always being higher then everyone else, and putting everyone else down.
Yes. Unfortunately issues weren’t born after gimmel Tammuz.
As a commercial real estate broker the eruv looks like a residential real estate move to sell houses to people who can afford the high prices, this does not just affect Shabbos Kodesh it has many repercussions.
When it comes to Halocha, even the Shach in Shulchan Aruch who held an esrog murkav is kosher retracted his opinion in a city were the Rov felt its not kosher. How much more so that all of our Rabanim say not to use it.
WELL SAID
THANK YOU
This is the test of our Emunah!!!
Are we going to follow the Rebbe and The Rebbe’s Rabbonim? or Are we going to follow Rabbi Wosner!!
Rachmono Litzman to do the wrong thinG!!!
Think about it!!!
are we going to be true to our Rebbe or not!!!
WILL YOU PASS THIS TEST!!!
You would be surprised how much more tznius the women dress in teaneck and other communities compared to crown heights. The ignorance that you portray is laughable. Fix your own problems before bashing other yiddisha communities you know nothing about.
It seems these guys never learn, they got to stick their nose in to a community that’s not theirs, and passken a controversial shale not realizing that “Thay are messing with the shver (the rebbe)” And all knows how well that turned out for the people that have tried playing with fire (the rebbe) in the past, not suggested (ask any Lubavicher follower over 50 he’ll explain) Yes the rabanim in ch we’re elected through votes as per the the rebbes request so yes they are the rebbes rabbanim. Playing with them, is playing with fire, so maybe rethink before… Read more »
did you have a bad day or are you always like this crown hights is a beutifull place with many chasidim, shiurim, chasidishe projects… our rabbonim work tirelessly for the comunity rabbi osdoba teaching in 770 rabbi schwei and rabbi braun giving countless talks and inspiration by events and farbrengens halacha2go, the shulcha habadats and so on our rabbonim are amaizing there are some trouble makers in our community those that are trying to drag on the argument between the rabbonim even after the din torah unfortunately we must say get used to it those people don’t seem to be… Read more »
THIS MUST BE RESOLVED IN PEACE AND WITH AHAVAS YISROEL!!
מבלי ליכנס לגוף הענין עצם הענין שיחידים מחוץ לשכונה מתערבים עם דיעותיהם נגד רבני המקום זה חוצפה והעזה שלא נשמע כמותו בישראל בכל הדורות והצעתי להקיע אותם נגד כולנו והם בבחינת זקן ממרה ובפרט שזה שכונת המלך רבינו זי”ע ונגד הוראותיו איזה עלבון לכלל ישראל שהגענו עד הלום ומצוה למחות בקול רעש גדול
It is not the ERUV or WOsner that is causing problems it is the place is on autopilot and decent for years. THe shuls are closed at night and nobody learns sundays come and go with nobody running to shul to learn but rather have fun and watch TV and woman dress like they live in Teaneck and worse. We have a Rebbe and hope he helps but until that time we are descending and descending. We print million of new chasidus books and who really in CH after they are married reads them. It is truly sad and it… Read more »
you are confused!
the rebbe said:
If the Rabbonim of a place find it fit according to halacha to build an eruv it should be done in secret
It’s beside the point, that Rebbe was against the Idea of eruv’s IN GENERAL, in our times. The Rebbe spelled out his reasoning, that people coming from one community that has an eruv, to another that doesn’t, would forget and carry .
The Rabbi who wrote the letter writes that Eruv’s were always encouraged to be made, to more enjoy the shabbos.
The Rebbe obviously held that these days are different.
Presumably because of the ease and frequency of travel in our times. Therefore the chshash the Rebbe brings up is a very real and common one.
Unfortunately, they ARE mechaleli shabbos. Because every erev shabbos the string is torn down (see comment 85. And he is not the only one; it is torn in multiple places. One of the places I know for a fact was not even fixed between Shabbos Naso and Shabbos Beha’aloscha, which just shows how much effort goes into “maintaining” the eruv…). Like it or not, but there has never been a kosher eruv in Crown Heights on shabbos, ever. Anyone who carried these past two shabbosim was mechalel shabbos. (One cannot rely on a chazoko that it is up, if it… Read more »
He knows he stands no chance with those that follow Halacha and are chassidim.
Which bais din are u talking about we have no BAIS DIN
THE REBBE SAYS BUILD AN ERUV WHERE U CAN AND U SHOULD. The question is can u build here and these MUMCHIM CAY YES. and if you dont dont carry but scream like a BRISKER or UNGARISHER that its chilul shabbas.
Note that be does not profess to have an understanding of the Alter Rebbe’s shita. Rather he says: “And what you wrote in the name of one Rabbi that according to the Alter Rebbe the Eruv is not Kosher, this is Not True At All, together the other Heterim there isn’t a single Posek who prohibits, and this is not the place to expound on this matter”. He says: it’s not true at all. Why? Because it just can’t be! Everyone is meikil! So it must be that the Alter Rebbe would also be. Bimchilas kvod toraso, that’s ypretty would… Read more »
This is like a police officer from Monsey telling people in Crown Heights not to listen to the Chief of police in Crown Heights.
Its calling for a civil war. Very responsible.
I like how people who simply don’t know what they are talking about yet spews thier gaones
He quotes his Rebbe the great bais yisroel first of all the bais yisroel didn’t use the eruv in yerushalaim
Second he is the one who made the flatbush eruv In 2004 most rabbonim in flatbush don’t hold of it barely anyone besides the young Israel crowd uses it
He has no credibality the Gerrer rebbe himself said when rabbonim in flatbush came to him said he won’t listen to me anyway
PLAYING WITH FIRE
Unfortunately you misread his letter. He specifically addresses Lubavitch, Unless of course you as as “Yekke” have assumed the title Lubavitch which would be quite novel.
He is basically as is his custom to mix into other peoples business. His father held that his son was someone that fooled him more than once. This I heard first hand from someone who heard his father tell him this regarding how to write the word Monsey in Hebrew on a “get”.
This is happening because we have all become apikorsim. Listen to the tone of this fight. An eruv is a mitzvah. We have so many ills in this community, but we chose to fight about a mitzvah. Think about it there are so many people who can be helped because of an eruv, such as those who carry without one. But no we have to fight about such an issue. Shame on us all
I just read that the FBI raided the Lakewood Yeshiva and other mosdos in Lakewood… Maybe the “Fire” came even faster than anticipated… They should go to the OHEL immideately.. before more damage and Chilul Hashem will befall as a result of their ways…
Here is the situation. Some people decided to go against the rabbonim of the community and the Rebbe. That is on them. But what should our response be? To do whatever we want, against the Rebbe, such as throw tomatoes, get angry at people, try to cut down the eruv, etc? That would be like taking muksa stones to throw at cars that drive on shabbos. They will do what they do but our obligation is to follow our rabbonim and the Rebbe…it doesn’t make sense to take actions that are against what the Rebbe wants just because they did.
Any Rov that calls upon the community to disobey their own Rabbonim is suspect. End of story.
I would not be surprised, if in due time, real dirt is found on this Rabbi Wosner. A Kosher Rav would never, ever act in this manner. Period.
The guy is corrupt. It’s clear as day.
PS – The pro-Eruv people have to disassociate themselves from this asap, otherwise they are complicit in this Machlokes. This is so terrible. Its another Tzom Gedaliah.
Hes like earth under there feet come on
If you tell someone to ignore his Rabbis, you obviously have no right to tell anyone to use the eruv…
Especially if it’s not your comunity, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY – HE IS NOT A CHABAD RABBI!
I found it extremely funny – in a sad way – that anyone would even care what his opinion is abt this, since we never heard of him b4…
How dear someone say that you should “ignore you rabbis”?!.
Gimmel tammuz is coming up and we better reflect and see how the rebbe clearly said to listen to the rabonim of the shcuna…..!
If you like his psak go enjoy yourself in bnei brak! Or somewhere else…. shach and co. can say many things against the rebbe, does that mean we chassidim should or can listen to them?
Our rabbonim spoke because they are experienced, they are chassidim, and yirei shomayim.
You spoke because you are ignorant, an am ho’oretz, and bal chutzpah.
You tested our rabbonim? you sound like such a fool saying such statements that are just pure hatred.
I would just like to point out. If the Eruv is up and checked and as mentioned previously that it indeed is, and Yidden are relying on it as is permitted, and all of you very strong and brave individuals out there who are bragging about ripping bit down 10 minuted before Shabbos, just know that you are responsible for being mechalel Shabbos for all these Yidden R”L . So keep bragging because what a tremendous sechus you have for being the source and cause for chilul Shabbos on such a large scale. Let’s see how brave you are then… Read more »
He has no obligation to the Chabad rabbis, ,and he is entitled to say what he feels it true. Hats off to Rabbi Wosner.
Didn’t the rebbe say, not that there can’t be an eiruv, but that those who use it shouldn’t publicize it? So leaving out the Rabbanim for a minute, how is saying that the rebbe said that an eiruv is Assur valid?
the rebbe knows better then those rabonim!
and the rebbe said NO ERUV!!!!!!!!!!!!!
with all due respect, but….
isnt that divisive?
We have our own Rebbe, our own Rabonim, and why does this rav have interest to stir the pot? I really want to know what his rationale to decide he could do this.
I’m a simple Jew…I don’t know the laws of eruvin, I don’t know who’s – who in the frum world…
but I do know that this seems to be a machlokes on a d’orisa issue. I’m not taking any chances
It seems like a lot of mivtzoim could be done right in Crown Heights for gimel tamuz; perhaps the eruv-carrying non Lubavitchers in Crown Heights can be brought to the Ohel, taught the Rebbes’ sichas and letters etc., encouraged to have their daughter light Shabbos candles, sign up their children for letters in a sefer Torah, I hope none of them are the mashgichim in the community, though, it would cause a lot of problems, as well as the problem of eating in their homes.
I hope that all our prestigious Rabbonim in Crown Heights will together write a letter to the world at large, and particular to the individuals in Monsey and Lakewood, that we don’t appreciate it! At one point, Lakewood was mostly Litvish/Yeshivish, and NO WAY would any individual from another State or community ever dare to get involved with any Halacha pertaining to Lakewood! Should our Rabbonim get involved with the Erev in Williamsburg? Boro Park? Flatbush? We have no business whatsoever to do that, Halachakly, or even logically! If any Rov/Rabbi has an issue with our Beis Din Kovuah, make… Read more »
To # 103 it’s just a way of life why is it that Lubavitch gets stepped on the Jews get stepped on Israel gets stepped on and the terrorist get away with murder the world always has sympathy for terrorist it’s just the way it is in this life
Appalled. Straight from the samech mem. I’d love an eruv. But I would never use one based on my understanding of the Rebbe’s opinion the matter. Rov Heller brought down true gedolie hador who would be against it in addition to pointing out that the Alter Rebbe although did not say that 16 Amos without 600k is a reshos harabim according to all we should go according to the the more stringent opinion. In light of the above it is an out right chutzpah that the wosner fellow decided to join etc. Saying that one should rather enjoy Shabbos than… Read more »
any fool who believes this fool of a rabbi knows what hes talking about- is just fooling himself. so goes with anyone who thinks there is any halachic possibility of having a kosher eruv. its not possible. even if a meshuganer from monsey says so. or from anywhere. it will not change the fact that NO ERUV IS POSSIBLE HERE. now if you insist on carrying on shabbos – thats a diff story- you just dont care about keeping Shabbos- but to say you are relying on this clowns psak, and “r Chezzi” is comical. start realizing who knows their… Read more »
our rabbonim should go to his shtodt and ossur epes.
you will see how quick they would make a protest.
i hope the article is falsh
this rov is very reasonable . he says crown heightzers should follow their rabonim not to rely on the eiruv. But it is completely outrageous to label people who rely on the eiruv as ‘Mechalilei Shabos Befarhesia’.
as quoted in his letter….
the rebbe clearly supported a eruv as seen in the igros and many other publications… they need to stop lying in the name of the rebbe…
nobody brought any written or recorded proof contrary..
Crown Heights rabonim should step down since they are trying to be machshil the rabim..
we need rabonim the care about the people and the what the rebbe really wanted…
I just want to state the facts as they are: The Rabonim that are Matir R”L An Eiruv Which is OSUR According To The Rebbe, And According To The Alter Rebbe, And According To The Psak Din of the Entire Beis Din of Crown Heights, So Therefore Anyone Who Will C”V Be Relying on this POSELE EIRUV and Will C”V Be Carrying on shabbos, so the ENTIRE CHILUL SHABOS BORABIM is on the FULL RESPONSIBILITY of this rabonim that are MATIR Something Which is OSUR and that these Rabbonim Do Not Have the Koiach Al Pi Toiroh To Be Matir… Read more »
It is obvious that there is something wrong with an eruv
So you do as the rabbonim of Crown Heights say! Not Monsey or anywhere else!
Chometz ben yayin is all i can say about this Woser guy…
If it were before gimmel tammuz
Not in ours
That has no yiras shomayim?? He has no respect for our Rabbonim, who are listening to the Rebbe, and if he has no respect for them how can you expect him to be a yirei shomayim?
The lubavicher Rebe said so, who could argue????? I don’t wanna cause machloikes but anyone in this generation is dust and sand compared to the Rebe
Go live in monsey!
I dont really know who this rabbi is nor do I care. One thing I do know; This rabbi DOES NOT live in Crown Heights. Who is he to paskan whether the eruv can be used or not, I’m still trying to figure out. It was a very clear consensous from all the Rabbanim in Crown Heights that this eruv is not kosher. period. end of discussion. So now I’m left trying to figure out what this rabbi is trying to paskan here.
Hmm maybe because the Torah says we should listen to our local rabbonim??
this rabbi says , dont hear teh rabonim , why i should hear him?
Extremely surprised at R Wosner. Does R Wosner know what the rebbe’s opinion about the eruv??? Or the people that want the eruv didn’t mention to him the rebbes opinion? Since his letter only mentions about the rabbonim and not the rebbe. Because it’s not an halachick question, since according to halacha it could be kosher, it’s about the rebbe that has a great and DEEP vision of understanding, and when that the rebbe said NO. the rebbe didn’t say not yet rather NO. period. Plus he could be making more machlokes then peace. Like. It’s good that all C… Read more »
**their
(If you’re going to go on a rampage, please punctuate properly)
86. Rabosei, when some Meshugana throws a rock into a store window, and he gets his picture in the paper, right?, and they take him away in handcuffs, that’s exactly what he’s looking for. Publicity! He is looking to have his name published. He is looking to become a Mefursam [famous man]. The most important thing to know is, you don’t mention a name, right? You remember that famous person who said, “I don’t care what the papers say about me, as long as they spell my name right.”
Thus so called rabbi should know that he has no right to paskin for an area that is not his. He should also be aware that he is playing with fire because he is starting up with the Rebbe. A very very dangerous thing to do, and any idiot that listens to this fraud is endangering himself as well. This is the story of Korach all over again, and we all know how that ended…. The bottom line is “Moishe emes v’toirosoi ends”! The Rebbe is the Moishelle of our generation!!!!
Slowly i guess more and more will carry.
This is exactly how Reform started, they wanted to drive to Shul on Shabbos, so they got a “heter” from a “rabbi”. I guarantee that will be this the next thing these “lite” people in CH want, once they realize how far they’ll have to live from Shul to be able to afford it what with the yuppies taking over…
I see it screaming. Crown Heights is a place of any word opposite peace. It’s been this way for years.
Now comes an eiruv, which everyone agrees is not okay-peace.
But the eiruv causes less peace, all the fighting against those who use it.
This posek writes with his main point being peace between us. (Though not with the Rabbanim)
Crown Hrights STOP THE FIGHTING
I found one thing I am willing to support the yellow flag guys with anything they did to take down the eruv every Friday
whoever says, that you can use the eruv, shows that they know NOTHING about an eyruv, NOTHING you hear me if anyone says to use it they know NOTHING in HALUCHa.
AND I will NOT go on and on about the halucha and chutzpah……. A REFORM LADY RABBI KNOWS MORE THEN TO SAY ITS OK. the reform say openly that they are not keeping shabbos R”L but hear you are trying to say that you are keeping shabbos and that is a LIE becous the eruv is not kosher
Can someone please post the Rebbes written opinion on this matter
…Es Laasos Lahashem Hefeiru Toirosecha…
ןזה הנלע”נ בענין ההצעה של עירוב בחלק קטן משיקגו
הגדולה אשר הציע לי כבוד בני הרב הגאון המוסמך ואין דעתי להכריע בזה ובידי הרבנים החשובים ועסקנים
לש’ החלטה אם אפשר להם לאחוז במצוה זו שרבותינו
מסרו עצמם טליה
^ לענין מעשה בפועל איני מכריע דבר כי בריחוק מקום
אני ואולי עדין יש דברים בגו ^ והרבנים על אתר
‘עליהם הדבר מוטל ^ ומה טוב לשמוע ג”כ דעת הגאונים הצ
“בברוקלין יצ
HE WRITES EXPLICITLY THAT ITS NOT FOR OUTSIDE RABBIS TO DECIDE BUT DEPENDENT ON LOCAL RABBONIM.
MAVHIL!!!!
its extremely disrespectful to our community this is a lubavich community and the rebbe said no eruv and so did our rabbanim this rabbi is not lubavich and therefore doesn’t follow our minhagim what if we told the family’s in monsey to ignore their rabbanim and cut there payis short
If the Rebbe said no eruv,then that’s that NO ERUV!!!!
why is everyone getting into detail of reasons?!?!!
if you are truly a lubavitcher chossid you follow the Rebbe with no questions!!! if the Rebbe would tell you to do something would you? I’m sure you would!
if you get into reasons and questions, YOU ARE PLAYING WITH FIRE!!!!
i rally hope that some of us will head down to monsey to truck tomatoes at someone who disconnects himself from the rebbe i.e. his own life source!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello, I am a member of Congregation Kol Israel, the Yekke shul that made the eruv. I personally helped fund a substantial portion of it and know the people involved to be highly reputable. That said, I absolutely agree that of course Lubavitchers should respect your rabbonim and not carry on shabbos inside *our* eruv. I am as upset as anyone that a bunch of discontented Chabadniks have decided to use our eruv to wage war against their own rabbonim. This is unacceptable. But different groups of Jews can have different halachic authorities with (very) different opinions and it would… Read more »
We can all agree that R Wosner is way out of line for stepping past his boundary. But if CH had a unified Beis Din, he would never have the chutzpah.
i and #85 know that this eruv is bad bc we know people go and tear it down beore shabbos so…………
In other towns, farbrente lubavitchers don’t use eruv there, but chabad-lite folks do…. It’s maybe a chutzpa to do it on the LR’s home turf…. If it was NewSquare, they would be literally burned alive….
i am sure with in a month some crazy bochorim will take it down AND WHO THE HELL DOES THIS ”RABBI” THINK HE IS MESSING WITH CHUZPINYAK
He is not the only one who will come out pro wait and see
1) Even if the eiruv Would of Beemes be a kosher eiruv Lechol Hadeiois, So When the Entire Beis Din Of Crown Heights Aserd The Eiruv, So The Eiruv Is not Considered A Kosher Eiruv AT ALL – And NO ONE is alowed to carry on shaboss, And When a Rov From A Different Town KASHERS The eiruv, which AL PI SHULCHON ORUCH he does not have the power to do so, So Those Rabonim Most Probably Where Matir DVORIM ASURIM IN THERE Neighborhoods… 2) Particularly When Someone Who Calls Hem Self A Rov Can Come Out Openly AGAINST THE… Read more »
Very disturbing to see this content on the site. We need moshiach now. i hate to say it but if there is anyone playing with fire it the rov from monesy. he should take back his words and publicly apologize to two of the rabbanim that have the brocha of the rebbe to do their work.
we need moshiach now. achdus is more important than anything!
Shame on you Rabbi Vozner. What kind of Rav tells people
not listen to their Rabbonim!!! Any chillul Shabbos that
C”V happens from your letter is on YOUR HEAD!!!!
You are playing with fire until you write a letter taking back
your words!!!
Moshiach must be very close since the sitra achra is trying hard to prevent Moshiach .
May Hashem have Rachmonus on us!!!
Why should we listen to the local rabbis? For over 30 years they have been involved in creating practically EVERY machlokes that engulfed lubavitch. They have singlehandedly destroyed themselves and the shchuna, without any regard for fallout. Now they are surprised why people disregard them? Also, the fact that these guys can’t unite to sign on a single piece of paper, rather each two sign independently, shows that they aren’t a Beis din. A beis Din has 3 rabbis, not 2. When they will sign together, maybe they will be listened to. It is sad that the day has come… Read more »
I guess if there is an Eruv you can wear your Key belts women included even without tzitzis
We should go to monsey and stir up trouble there .Who the hell is he to mix in with such a tone, we should carry with pride????? knowing that he is openly going against our unanimous rabonim’s psak!!!!!! .
This is outrageous, no community would stand for this garbage , stay the hell out of Crown Heights
Many families in CH – ask them what they want to do
This person should not have the word rav before his name.
And some of you want to believe him????? Someone who says ignore your rabanim you will follow his halachic ruling??? He loves $$$ and hates lubavitch so if he can get u all to carry on shabbos he’d be thrilled- cuz hey he doesn’t consider your Jewish anyway…in his book u can eat pig too- hell tell u do what u want cz u are not Jewish to him anyway
NOT AS EXTREME AS CALLING CH YIDDEN REFORM!!!!!
It is not that it is not kosher according to minhag lubavitch.
It is not kosher according to Halacha, according to the Torah, according to Hashem, because the rabbonim, the marei d’asra say it is not kosher.
In an interesting way this shifted the approach of many towards the rabbonim and brought a realization that we need to actually stand behind them and their position.
I like how everyone repeats over and over again the same thing. There are many reasons to allow an eruv including the fact that the Alter Rebbe would allow for the mechitzos around Brooklyn. Those who claim the Alter Rebbe would be opposed were hoodwinked by a few people.
The main problem is that there are two definitions as to what a Reshus HaRabim is lhalacha (Shulchan Aruch does not bring down other opinions lmaaseh). According to the most lenient opinion, lmaaseh, there needs to be 600,000 traversing the area every day. An area, a “reshus,” is defined by the number of people and the congruence, the flow of the area. In the Gemara’s time, as Rashi explains, a reshus harabim was a straight road, with a gate on one side leading to a stratya, a road leadingbto another city and, on the other side, a platya, marketplace. The… Read more »
This is the best comment I read!!!
Write that OSDABA IS NOT A ROV and SEGEL AND OSDABA WRITE BRAUN AND SCHWEI ARE NOT RABONIM>
Please explain what BAIS DIN WE HAVE AND why we have almost no local restaurants under the CHK?
The answer we have no BAIS DIN AND BRAUN IS DISBUTED AND SCHEI IS A NICE JEW WITH NO EXPERIENCE IN ANY complicated issues like an ERUV so why not listen to OUTSIDE MUMCHIM!!!!!
I am disturbed that COL will publicize the view of R. Wosner who is telling people not to listen to their local Beis Din (Kavua), which is against Halacha.
His letter talks of in general of the importance of the eiruv which is not applicable to a big city (Reshus Harabim Gamur).
I hope that our Rabbanim will unite to strengthen their stand on this issue. Miut holech acher harov (minority joins the majority of the beis din).
Gadol hashalom hamachzik es habracha.
If our Rabbonim would start paskening, and publishing letters in their community?
The reaction would be quite extreme.
Yeah when you get involved in the business of another community and say ” ignore” their psak yes it’s clear defiance
How does a Rov from another community come and dictate an election for Rabonim in Crown Heights?
The same Monsey gave Crown Heights Broin now they are giving Crown Heights A Eruv
Let’s sit back and watch now.RO
To hold like a gadol that the Crown Heights eruv is kosher is not the main problem, we don’t need to argue with him b’dieved. The problem is in ignoring the feelings of the majority of a kehillah and the authority of the Crown Heights Bais Din to set policy and interpretation of their customs. This eruv did not have to be done with strife. “A mitsvah that comes through a sin is a sin.” Causing pain to others is not open to strictly objective standards in halacha. If you step on a person’s foot and it hurts, you should… Read more »
We can hope finally this will shut up all the haters in our Community,,and now we can live and let live, use it if u wish don’t if you do not wish too,
MH.
They couldn’t achieve it through bans and imprisonment so they will try by causing internal machlokes
You choose
I dont get this circus. Either its a kosher eiruv or it isnt. If its kosher then u can use it. If its not then u are not allowed to carry. Its very possible that it is kosher but not to chabad standard. I personally think that a eiruv is a very good idea even if its not a chabad eiruv. The reason being that we have a lot of orchim that come from all over to the Rebbe especially from Israel where there is a eiruv. If they carry on shabbos by mistake they will not be mechalel shabbos
Only a couple of years ago two of our esteemed Rabbies issued a letter claiming that none of the CH restaurants have a hechsher. They dismissed RAv Osdoba’s hechsher. So according to them Rav Osdoba is not a reliable Rav and we can’t respect him. They are guilty of the machlokes and the current state is affairs in our community. Who can you trust?
If you follow by the Alter Rebbe’s psak and do not feel like you can carry, do not. However, you’d be surprised at the amount of non-lubavichers happen to live in crown heights and do not hold by the Alter Rebbe. We should have the opportunity to keep shabbos according OUR mesora
Go back to where you came from.
He just wants to cause fights in lubavitch
Him and his friends are the same who through rocks and burn Israeli flags.
Wake up people.
BH and kol hakavod to those that have worked on this amazing project!
FYI THE ERUV IS NOT COVERING MAIN PART OF CHABAD CROWNHEIGHTS
SO THERE REALLY IS NO EIRUV1!!!! LITERALLY
!!!
Could not have said it better.
THE FINAL SCRIPT HAS JUST BEEN WRITTEN AND EXPERIENCED.
THE END.
I love how this is still going on
this Rabbi has no darn business interfering in OUR schechuna. He should be run out of town if he shows his face here. Go back to Monsey, you have enough issues to deal with without interfering in our kehillah.
You still cant use the Eruv, because i personally every Friday, about 10 minutes before Shabbos, went, and will continue going, to rip the so-called “Eruv”.
WOWOW!!! I have been following this topic with lots of interest- this response thread is really disheartening. Im pretty sure the Rebbe was also very much against lashon hara- and seems like CLEARLY some of you missed that. I don’t live in CH however my husband often learns and davens at 770. We are not Chabad, say we moved to CH because we loved the community should we not be able to carry? Not to mention you so graciously host so many unaffiliated jews who shlep their bags, coats, and wine bottles to you on Shabbos- If there was an… Read more »
We need to “live, and let live”.
It’s what separates us from the bad guys…
This is my first time hearing a vozner say something is mutar
I heard this once or twice in my life until this whole eruv controversy started up. Now I read this or hear this once or twice per day (or more!). Enough already. Everyone in the world knows to never trust an unnamed Rabbi. They either don’t exist or their identity would be a letdown. I remember my Shvogger tried to persuade me to do something my Rav said was asur. The Shvogger told me he got a heter from a Rav. I said, “really, which Rav.” He said “can’t say.” Um….yeah–that instills confidence! Just saying that the secrecy surrounding the… Read more »
All those that except this Rabbi from Monsey opinion, should drive down to Monsey every time they have a Taharas HaMishpacha question.
He’s not paskening for ch he’s answering the question he was asked by a rav in Lakewood.
It just do happens to have implications for all of ch.
Who takes risks. He helped Flatbush and BP and also was an adviser to 3 in Israel.
The Rebbe always said go to a MUMCHE and he is. Locals has no clue
TEAR DOWN THE ERUV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why should we listen to “our rabbonim” if they can’t even sign on the same paper? they speak as if the rebbe matters more than everything which i belive to be true hanassi is everything. i don’t belive they belive that.(ahavas yisroel is the most disgusting thing the rebbe dropped on our laps how dare that be asked of our heilik rabbonim who embody everything the rebbe and gd want) i think they are more preocuppied by their own egos to really care what matters to the rebbe my rebbe your rebbe OUR rebbe. i don’t want to hear a… Read more »
If a Rav of Monsey (RABR) can Pasken if Rabbi Braun is a qualified Rav of Crown Heights – why can’t a Rav of Monsey not Pasken if the Eruv of Crown Heights is Kosher or not?!
If you don’t hold of carrying than you have no business eating in a restaurant not certified by these rabbis. Don’t let me catch you guys;) and don’t let me catch your wives carrying with an Eruv in Miami or any other city.
Hypocrisy at it’s best!
To all those who have the question of jurisdiction, see today’s hayom Yom you will have your answer straight out
Insolence will increase, … the wisdom of the scholars will degenerate, those who fear sin will be despised, … ; the face of the generation will be like the face of a dog
This dude probably waited his whole life time for this opportunity to create problems in Lubavitch.
To all those who have the question of jurisdiction, see today’s hayom Yom you will have your answer straight out
for lubavitch
This fits in perfectly with today’s hayom yom
should publish a list of every item this “rabbi” puts a hechsher on, and write a letter stating this rabbi and his hechsher can’t be trusted.
I’m sorry that those in CH who scream loudest about Ahavas Yisroel found it necessary to start this horrible machlokes and build an Eruv the Rebbe discouraged many times.
In today’s time we suffer, at times, of confusion. Rabbi Heller made it crystal clear the opinions of the Alter Rebbe and the Tzemach Tzedek.
Being that Shabbos and Reshus Harrabim/Yachid are questions in the HALACHIC domain, please speak to your personal rav, the same one you speak with about niddah, kashrus, maaser etc. Halacha is not a round table discussion.
First we needed a Monsey arbitrator try and bring pease top the Beis Din and the Crown Heights community. Now when there finally is 1 issue that all Crown Heights Beis din rabbis, including Rabbi Heller and rabbi Osdobo from the orginal elections, and Rabbi Schwei and Rabbi Braun from subsequent elections, and also Rabbi Segal, all agree upon – Comes along another Rabbi from Monsey and says that we should disregard the rabbis!! He is now actively transgressing לא תתגודדו! This another mockery of Chabad, שכונת המלך, even if it was not based on free words of the אדמו”ר… Read more »
halocho i dont know but we should do it
Destroy the eiruv and finnish
if eiruv should bring achdus so then you have a strong Raye this rabbi of moinsey is wrong
Ask the shluchim in Warsaw & cracow about this rov & his quick giyur sessions $$$$
These rabbis live in monsey!this is crown hights!!!!!
Anyone who can tell people not listen to rabbinim can not be trusted. Who else should we listen to? Our rabbinim are the leaders of today. Where would we be without them?
I’m not here to enter into a halachic debate or polemic. I’m not even here to defend the Badatz of CH over these 2 mechutzafim from Monsey and Lakewood. My only issue is actually their chutzpa! Not only does their letter in essence and almost explicitly denigrate the Rabbonim of CH -who I am not even a fan of- who are the responsible halachic authorities of CH. Not only would they decry the matter and shout “kavod ha’Torah” if the rabbonim did the same to them. Not only is it one thing to debate a halachic matter and disagree, which… Read more »
What type of underwriter would that make you, isn’t a life insurance underwriter supposed to want to help families CV in need, not be afraid of having to give a payout.
If you have a smart phone, you can’t also stand behind this psak. You cannot pick and chose. Halacha doesn’t work like that.
this rabbi wosner has a history of sticking his nose into other peoples buisness and alot of the things he says is not true and he is choshed biksheirim
Monsey and Flatbush and BP so I would consider him a MUMCHE in Hilchos Eruvin and are local has no clue as they wrote in their letters they do NOT KNOW HILCHOS ERUVIN so we should rely on a mumche Like Wosner
Is not the problem. It is just a Hemshich of the YERIDAH of our neighborhood and thats the fact. We do live in a free country and we do NOT own CH so u have right to carry and a right not to carry.
There is enough Rabbonim for people to feel better and more comfortable to carry
This Wosner is a corrupt, greedy individual, who trades on his great father’s name to make money. He caused his father terrible עגמת נפש, as is well known. Ask anyone who deals with dinei torah–whether a beis din or a toen. This Wosner has been implicated in dozens of cases where he took bribes etc. No beis din recognizes his rulings. Someone obviously paid him to write this. The biggest chutzpa is the way he’s mevatel the Alter Rebbe’s shita, by saying that the majority of poskim hold otherwise. We know that the Alter Rebbe was recognized as תנא ופליג–one… Read more »
we r not saying the eruv is posul we are saying we cant use it because the rebbe said so so lethim go tell that community to go carry alone
the only reason there is a big frum lubavitcher community in ch is because of the rebbe and the rebbe said no so the answer is no
A “rov” that comes out against OUR Rabbonim and against the Rebbe disqualified himself from being a reliable figure. Any Lubavitchet can’t use any of his hechsheirim, ask him any sha’alos etc….
Our Rabbonim MUST all unite and fight this raging battle in unison. For that matter, Lubavitcher Rabbonim.worldwide should unite in support of our local Rabbonim and fight this battle in the strongest way for the Livid of the Rebbe and Lubavitch.
WHAT A FEW SHEKELS CAN BUY!
what right does he have to come to our communitty and tell us what to do our rabbonim said no so the answer is no
Who does he think he is sticking his nose into other communities? I think he is the Rabbi of MONSEY not CROWN HEIGHTS. And by saying to ignore the rabbonim he is the one playing with fire.
forget about if the actual eruv is bad or not the fact that he is going into another city and telling them what to do is completely against halacha and people who already asked one rov and they said no it is also against halacha to ask another rov
A “rov” that comes out against OUR Rabbonim and against the Rebbe disqualified himself from being a reliable figure. Any Lubavitchet can’t use any of his hechsheirim, ask him any sha’alos etc….
Our Rabbonim MUST all unite and fight this raging battle in unison. For that matter, Lubavitcher Rabbonim.worldwide should unite in support of our local Rabbonim and fight this battle in the strongest way for the Livid of the Rebbe and Lubavitch.
Listen like it or not he does sight sources so I think instead of having an endless mud slinging match someone from the ch beis din needs to publish a tshuvah explaining their position.
To all those who have the question of jurisdiction, see today’s hayom Yom you will have your answer straight out
Since there is a dispute, let’s go to the Zabla Bais Din to decide.
Say what you will, this Eruv may not be Chabad, you may not want to carry because the Rabbanim of CH said so, you may not want to carry because the Rebbe was against it.
You cannot however say this Eruv is Possul, and anyone who feels it is right to carry, is perfectly within their halachic bounds.
Who needs these guys , Rav Chezzi already acted as Nachson Ben Aminodov and defended the status of the eruv paving the way for these other rabonim to state their opinions.
why the **** is this **** sticking his head in the schuna!!!??!!
Its a kosher kosher eiruv…thats it! I you want to be mekusher and not use it then done…but its kosher!
Leave people alone..
These eruv people must of been running around really hard trying to find anyone in a hat and beard to make it OK
If only he’d realise he’s speaking to a community that has completely rejected the laws of tznius… he might think twice before supporting them in rejecting the authority of their rabonim.
May God save his soul
The fact that he says to ignore the rabbis in your neighborhood the guys a lowlife people may not hold by it people may hold buy it but to say to ignore your rabbis I’m sorry
In the first paragraph of this article you write
“in a clear defiance of local Chabad rabbis who disapprove of its creation”
So you’re pretty much saying that anyone who halachikly disagrees with the local Chabad ruling is in Defiance of them?? Perhaps they were just supporting the shul who built it, and standing behind them saying it’s kosher?
I think if our Rabbonim would asser a smart phone he’ll say that its allowed.
I don’t believe that any “real Rav” would a) interfere in another community’s halachic issues. Surely, he has enough shelos in his daled amos..
b) Nor do I believe that any Rav worth his salt would openly oppose a psak of the Rebbe.
Can’t we all leave this alone? Somebody is stoking the fires of rancor by constantly uncovering new “information” to cause rifts and sina’as chinam in Chabad of CH.
AN ERUV IS FORBIDDEN IN CROWN HEIGHTS. If this still remains a question under discussion in chabad – r”l something is very wrong with us all.
I think it is a big Chutzpah for other Rabonim to mix in.
The lubavicher Rebe said so, who could argue????? I don’t wanna cause machloikes but anyone in this generation is dust and sand compared to the Rebe
RABBI WOZNER SHOULD CHECK HIS TEFILLIN WITH WITNESSES. FROM A SIMPLE PERSON – THERE SMELLS TO BE SOMETHING POSUL
These outside so-called Rabbis are the ones playing with fire.
Has spoken. All 3 rabbis in CH admit they have no clue on Hilchis Eruvin, FInally a Gaon Ben Gaon and Posek Doreinu who is a MUMCHE has ruled with others.
The same ALTER REBBE SAYS IN THE SAME SIF do not bother and leave the people who carry alone.
To all we live in NY not a private are we do not own CH and it is changing. If you dont want DONT CARRY OF U DO U now have a reliable POSEK
Maybe he can add crown heights to the list of cities unwittingly included in his title.
Who is this guy? Such chutzpah!!
the CH rabbonim can say they dont approve of the eruv, but since it has a hechsher from other rabbonim they cannot say whoever carries is mechalel shabbos
Tgese rabbis can go first tell their ” chasidim” to not bring proteus by bringing yuppies and killing crown heights families. Then maybe we can listen to u. Shame on u !!#
Honestly, I was sympathetic to the pro-Eruv people – even though I would never use the Eruv myself. But seeing this Shtick, getting a Rav with a terrible reputation from another community to come out and attack OUR rabbanim, our leadership, changes my mind. The tactics that the pro-Eruv people have resorted to, makes me wonder if the issue is an Eruv, as they claim it is, or the undermining of the community and our way of life. This is simply egregious and beyond the pale. It is so disheartening to see that the low depths that people will sink… Read more »
On the other hand r osdobo has clear cut sources from the alter rebbe etc. as he specified in his eiruv SA
Firstly did he come down and check the eruv before saying it’s no problem? Secondly, if he was trying to help he wouldn’t say “ignore the rabbanim” that’s not the way a rav speaks. He can say that he disagrees or whatever he wants but ignore the rabbanim .. and listen to me?? It seems like he’s using the opportunity since many want to use the eruv.. to swoop in with his anti chabad agenda and cause more machlokes. I personally cannot respect a rav who behaves this way. Does he have any proof for what he writes? ( which… Read more »
Next time think twice before you accuse a Frum Jew (with a different Rov) of being Mechalal Shabbas and Reform.
You don’t want “outside” Rabbanim mixing into your neighborhood? Don’t take actions that will force them to.
I think was involved in the flatbuah eruv and succeeded there against all the pressure of many local rabbanim.
He’s not the type to back down.
BTW, he had a moifes with the Rebbe I belive
if you want to carry, please go to park slope. dont go against the rebbe in his community
Rabbi Vosner from Monsey—-Bet Shemesh has caused his late father a lot of heartache. Do not get fooled by his free perusal of maamorei chazal. Its interesting how he completely sideswiped the main issue, the shittah of the Alter Rebbe, conveniently saying – this is not the place to expound. This eruv is what all serious people thought all along — not so simple.
How does a Rav from another community, come to our community to tell us to ignore our Rabbanim? This is a most egregious overstepping of boundaries, parutz geder, of the highest order. It is one thing that he gives an opinion that, according to his understanding of Halacha, the Eruv is kosher. It is quite another to call on the residents of Crown Heights to openly disrespect and disobey and revolt against the Rabbanim of our community. It is mind-boggling, shocking and one has to wonder if this man has any values or class. There is nothing new under the… Read more »
Does he bchlal have a say in the matter? not his city not his place,
if you want to use the Eiruv use it, if you are against the Eiruv dont use it. who asked your opinion? just beacause you dont like pizza and wont eat it doesnt mean you havto enforce that on other people.
a boroparker with alot of info 1. in bp we knew all aong that wosner was the one its his style to gain publicity he’s done it on other issues ( stam…) 2.his father had no control over him even bechayav 3. they think ch is bp – lubavitch is way diff and more idealistic in bp the eiruv stood because the public wanted it and never had the kind of bitul to a godol like ch 4. the olam hayeshiva will come out publicly denouncing this overstepping of boundries finallythe yetzer hora always has new ideas and here we… Read more »
These rabbis are not asking anyone to “ignore” great rabbis, but to respect them and create peace.
The point here is that those who DO use the eruv are not breaking Shabbos, and they are only emphasizing this point so as to create MORE peace.
Inaccurate reporting is a big part of why there is such a rift in this community over this, and you have a responsibility to address it.
Who is he to say as a outsider about our Eruv true his father was a Godol Hador but however he has a very controversial history its well documented
Who on earth does this “rabbi” think he is? To interfere on a matter of another community, and to write in such a negative way about other rabbonim! I wonder who is the one really “playing with fire” here… I have great pity on him.
Those that wish to carry on Shabbos, should move to Monsey or Lakewood
Thanks!!!! Finally people who are not calling CH reform and Mechalal SHabbas
Let the carrying begin!!!
it is “our boundries”, our rabonim, our rabeim, and our minhagim!
Whoever thinks that according to the alter rebbe “this is not true at all” they should know that according to lubavitch this is absolutely NOT ALLOWED!
If you read his letter, he just keeps on saying. As it says, as they say… but never actually explains.
If its SO simple, and our Rabbanim our the ones “playing with fire” then let him explain.
I believe he is playing with fire. And time will just tell
How nice, we at least have strong support from others out of the Sechuna that understand the issues perhaps much better then our own, whom have there heads in the sand attitude.
I personally will not carry but have no problem with anyone else that does, and as such shabbos will be a much much better day for so many.
Kudos to COL for actually posting this – rather feel good about the future here.
ignore the rebbi’s rabonnim? if i was his life insurance underwriter i would terminate his plan! he is playing with spiritual fire…
Do you go to these rabbonim for all your shailos. If you follow their psak you should be going to them for everything. You;ll be surprised how machmir they will be in certain aspects of halacha.