By COLlive reporter
Crown Heights does not have a valid Eruv that will allow residents to freely carry on Shabbos, the neighborhood’s most senior Rabbi Avrohom Osdoba writes in a new letter released Thursday.
Rabbi Osdoba, one of the 3 members of the Crown Heights Beis Din (Badatz), co-signed the letter with Rabbi Shlomo Segal in response to the so-called Greater Crown Heights Eruv.
Constructed by members associated with the Orthodox synagogue Kol Israel in Prospect Heights, it remains a mystery who is the rabbi certifying and supervising it.
In the “notice and serious warning” letter, Rabbis Osdoba and Segal said, “we, therefore, are notifying the public that according to an inquiry and investigation there’s nothing to it.”
“It is forbidden on each and every one and members of their household etc. to take out or bring in and carry from reshus (area) to another reshus on Shabbos and Yom Kippur,” they wrote.
They added that it is their belief that no reputable rabbi or halachic authority would enter “our borders” to build an Eruv “especially since it is against the ruling and Torah opinion of the rabbis and dayanim in this holy community.”
They said that creating an Eruv against the ruling to local rabbis is contradictory to halacha and is “knowingly causing that each and every person carrying in the public domain in this neighborhood is in the category of desecrating Shabbos in public, G-d forbid.”
They also referenced a letter by the late Crown Heights Rabbi Zalman Shimon Dworkin which was published this week on COLlive.com that an Eruv cannot be constructed in a metropolitan city such as New York.
It is the opinion of Chabad’s founder, the Alter Rebbe, that a central throughway such as Eastern Parkway cannot be enclosed in an Eruv, according to scholars. In addition, poles that hold the fishing line would need to be closer together.
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Are you sure when you quote Rav Klein in SHAREI Halochos did he not author MISHNE Halochos?
am haaretz i honestly dont understand the whole machloikes there is a halacha that a rov is not allowed to pasken in the jurisdiction of another rov. just like the mayor of albany cannot enforce legislation in nyc. now if the eruv rov is such a gaon who is able to be choilek on the alter rebbe. i would think he would know that you are not allowed to pasken in someone elses jurisdiction. being that he went against halacha in not following the morei deasra of our community why is he a reliable rov for eruvin especially when we… Read more »
Part 2 Shulchan Halevi: Number of passerby: Others set on finding a loophole for eruvin in large cities looked to the wording of the Shulchan Aruch, who writes that a reshus ha’rabbim is one that is traversed by six-hundred thousand people each day. This, they suggested, means that even if an area or thoroughfare was potentially capable of handling the traffic of six-hundred thousand people, if the number of actual passerby each day was fewer, it could not be classified as a public domain. This would allow the construction of halachic ‘doorways’ in and along such thoroughfares. The Mishnah Berurah… Read more »
The new sefer of HaRav HaGaon Rav Yisroel Belsky shlita, Shulchan Halevi, has just hit the shelves. Showing his mastery of halachah, Rav Belsky deals with a wide range of topics, and the sefer is extremely informative. One can see why he is such a well respected posek. However, I find it uncanny how Rav Belsky never fails to miss an opportunity to inveigh against large city eruvin. Under the heading Eruv in Bungalow Colony and City (p. 46), Rav Belsky criticizes, in the harshest of terms, the practice of establishing an eruv in cities that contain more than shishim… Read more »
Can someone please post if the eruv is up this week. Thank you.
I was with you until almost the last paragraph when you referred to “some modern BT,” which I went back and reread several times because I was so sure it was a typo. I take great offense. While it is tragically true that some BT’s, just the same as some “lifers” may not yet have been successful at passing on to our beloved children the Chasidishe values that brought us to Yiddishkeit ( bc we also trusted in the chinuch of our yeshivas ) I cannot think of a single BT that doesn’t keep to the highest standards of tzinus,… Read more »
CROWN HEIGHTS is under the authority of the LUBAVITCHER REBBE . Only those Rabbis who follows
HIS teachings have permission to give their opinions.
Please don’t waste your time offering irrelevant literature…
Halevai here will be something worthy being considered
“great progress happening in Crown Heights” which
will give a Nachas Ruach to the REBBE!
you spell enough like this not the way you did it “enuff’
#iamjustsaying
Why are all the Rabbinim, all getting so extremely upset, screaming from the rooftops, relentlessly, over this invalid Eiruv issue? It’s true that this so called Eiruv is nothing. But this is precisely the question, which needs to be asked, of these Rabbonim. If this Eiruv indeed is really nothing? Then why are you all making such a big deal over nothing? Is there nothing else which is more real and more of a problem in c.h., that all the Rabbonim, in all of c.h., have nothing else, to be up in arms about, except this non-Eiruv issue? It’s not… Read more »
If you never. Heard of the concept. Of baal nefesh yachmir liatzmo, youshouldnt be saying your opinion.
This is the sorce of the problem every am haaretz has an opinion.
Here is a mashul.
Someone believes that marijuana should be legalized and is not dangerous based on certain research therefore he is offering it to all the youth that don’t know any better.
Another person believes that it is fateful and based on research it is very harmful and will do anything he can to stop that guy from distributing it to the youth.
That is how Rabbi Heller feels about the eruv and the damage it will cause here. No political motives because he doesn’t get involved in politics.
Chezzi mentions
“the great progress happening in crown heights right now”
Does anyone know what he’s talking about?? Please clarify! I’d love to be inspired right now in midst of all of this fighting…
Rabbinical Council of America Guidelines for Creating and Maintaining a Kosher Eruv as presented to the Executive Committee April 29 2009 by Rabbi Chaim Jachter Dayan, Beth Din of Elizabeth; Member, Vaad Halacha of the Rabbinical Council of America Chairman, Agunah Committee, Rabbinical Council of America This document has received the approval of Rav Hershel Schachter and Rav Mordechai Willig. In this outline we present protocols for community Eruvin to be maintained at an appropriate Halachic standard, based on experience. Proper standards can be met by strictly adhering to the outlined protocols. We shall focus our discussion on four components… Read more »
Besides the halchic issues here, and that the conplexity of eruv is beyond even learned rabbonim, let alone laymen..I want to ask all those who are so confined on shabbos with no eruv,… How many single, or elderly, lonely etc people live in NY who dont have a family to spend with shabbos and eruv or not cant allow them to travel far to visit… How many are sick etc… And cant have a haimish person with them on shabbos etc… what is this fuss about not taking out your babies? Maybe hashem wants you to focus on the treasures… Read more »
We can’t ignore the fact that since gimmel Tamuz, squabbling etc. by our leaders has caused many problems. In a way you can’t blame our youth for feeling lost.
Lets for a moment imagine we weren’t discussing Eruv..rather a Mikveh – that had no local Rabbonim signing on to it and some outside Rav sponsored it – in our community and our Rabbonim said it wasnt Kosher There would be a Himmel Geshrai..RL RL – you are being Machsil families on the dearest and most precious Mitzva and while in the first few months the voice of Machoos would still be strong- that voice after time would wane and G-d forbid this edifice would be grandfathered into the community .. THe Holy Shabbos is no less ..Our Zeidos were… Read more »
To #47
You are such a fool. He gave you some food and there trust whatever he says. (I believe he did it from his good heart, but doesn’t mean he can be trusted, not naming a rabbi, while there are many other rabbis – who also have ahavas yisroel – are being public with their opinion).
To #74
You are right. Rabbi Belsky wasn’t a fan, and SO ISN’T THE RABBI THAT MADE THE ERUV IN CH, NOR ALL THOSE THAT ARE SUPPORTING HIM AND CARRYING ON SHABBOS IN CH.
קבל את האמת ממי שאמרו. He’s stating facts; if you claim to have other facts, bring them, don’t attack the messenger.
When the Rebbe is quoted as the reason not to have an eruv, then it’s ‘just for chabad’ or a ‘chumra.’ When R’ Belsky is quoted he’s a problem because he was no fan of chabad. So is no one good? As i see it, R’ Belsky’s shiur quoted here provides the halachik background for why the Rebbe opposed it. NO, IT WAS NOT A CHABAD CHUMRA; IT IS AN ISSUR DEORAISA! And the Rebbe strove mightily to ensure that yidden would not c”v be oiver a terrible issur. I recall hearing many of the issues that R’ Belsky raises… Read more »
READ #51
Why is the ערב רב anonymous?
Because Chabad is moichin, unlike other Chassidussen, and is therefore mekabel es hoemess mimi sheomro. From biur hagra to ketzos hachoshen and mirkeves hamishneh, the horooh of rabboiseinu nesieinu was to not passel Torch just because it’s author was a misnaged.
Friends of mine are planning on tearing down the eiruv… But now that I’ve done research about it in shulchan aruch of the alter rebbe etc. it’s extremely clear that a eiruv in ch is invalid which means that carrying here with an eiruv is the exact same thing as carrying with no eiruv at all so tearing it down is not changing anything (however it will still be taken down very soon….)
YOU FOLLOW THE CH RABBONIM!
And if you are a Lubavitcher Chossid,
You trust that what the Rebbe said then, is still relevant now, and you follow the LUBAVITCHER rabbonim.
Next time send a link!
Thank You!!!
Shouldn’t there be a limit to how much one can write??? See comment #72
You can not possibly read rave belskys shiur (all of it)and not see that he is a yirei shomayim.
Your comment goes directly in line with what he said about the two rabbis who were willing to bend the truth to very the ER tuv up in favor of public opinion.
Indeed we have an interesting issue here. If we are to follow every single local Rov,then to use the Erev is transgressing a biblical prohibition. So what do you do when your spouse is transgressing Shabbos openly? Hmmmm?
For those who won’t open a shulchan Aruch before posting, here is the short version.
The eiruv is done as an eiruv tavshilin. The city has the rights of eminent domain, thus getting permission from the city makes it kosher. A bracha is made every Friday by someone. There is no problem with eiruv. Use it, or don’t, but don’t push your opinions on other people. Especially in the hateful way above.
I dont support the eiruv . but I condemn anyone who labels those who do as Mechalel Shabos befarhesia
Rav Belsky is what he his, but that is one fascinating read.
To #74. so what. either he amkes good arguments or not. The fact that he was not pro chabad is irrelevant in this discussion. keposhut.
Was no fan of Chabad. Why is he being cited here?
how ppl coming from riteous families have no kabolas ol and yiras shomayim to the point of not keeping shabbos. they must be giving so much pain to their families 🙁 why is it that they scream where is your ahavas yisroel to them when they lack the basic respect to their own families? where is their ahavas yisroel? this chevra Ahavas yisroel wants eo to have it towards them- but have no clue how to give to others….its all about them and bash the rest, time to change your name. and if you choose not to keep shabbos…why are… Read more »
ERUVININ URBAN AND METROPOLITAN AREAS, LECTURED BY RABBI YISROEL BELSKY OF YESHIVA TORAH VODAATH SEE THE LIGHT AND TRUTH! A PROJECT PRODUCED BY THE STUDENTS OF YESHIVA TORAH VODAATH April 2000 “Eruvin in Urban and Metropolitan Areas, ” Lectured by Rabbi Yisroel Belsky of Yeshiva Torah Vodaath 1 . I generally try . . . try to avoid these things during the shiur, but there has. . . there has. . . there has been a certain amount of confusion created by people, and rabosei, I am telling you, very, very extremely malicious people, people who have no honest intention… Read more »
To #3 you’re not fluent and a lot of other things you are part of a problem. P.S you can get together with my park slope neighbor and share opinions you probably would get along very well
A Chossid – first and foremost follows Halacha 1000%
not just whats absolutely required, but לפנים משורת הדין.
yes we need to be mekarev everyone etc. but Halacha cannot be bent in the slightest way.
not just Halacah, even Hidurim.
That what makes us Chassidim.
when you write “b’birkas chassidim” – you cannot be encoraging yiden to go against all chassidishe rabbonim – מורה הוראה בפועל
The last time I looked, CH is a public place. Yes, most of the population is Chabad, but that’s quickly changing. Any person is free to his religious practices in the streets of NYC. We do’t own the sidewalks. And if MO or reform or non-affiliated jew wants to live here, they have every right. and to practice shabbos or yk however they please, or not practice. And for those who are too youg and ignorant, the whole ‘kan tzva’ thing was in order to keep Lubavtchers from moving out of the neighborhood back then. Now it’s prices that are… Read more »
Indeed we have an interesting issue here. If we are to follow every single local Rov,then to use the Erev is transgressing a biblical prohibition. So what do you do when your spouse is transgressing Shabbos openly? Hmmmm?
Are people forgetting that the Eruv spoken about is PHYSICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE JEWISH SECTION OF CROWN HEIGHTS???? It ends on Nostrand and Lincoln Place. So I sincerely hope no one think they can carry past those borders because even the makers of the Eruv know that.
Im a regular jew who is shocked… I was living in CH for 3 years… Im baal teshuva for me starting to know the rebbe was a treasure… Its very sad to read so many comments that have so much hate and ego… My opinion is that if the rebbe and big rov are saying we shouldnt supposed to have an eruv, then we shouldnt… But more important i think the rebbe probably is very sad that we are all fighting because of the eruv… Even when we are talking about halachic things, bever forget about ahavat isroel… I dont… Read more »
I disagree with you on everything. But I give you credit for such a civil letter in the face of this whole mess.
that #3 was written by by Denenboim and that it isn`t fictitious? I do know this person but it is impossible for me to believe that a person would write such a letter against all of the Rabbonim of the shchuna and what was written in the rebbe`s name.
“…the great chossid…”
I have never come across a bigger perversion of the word CHOSSID.
A chosid was aways someone who (strived to) act לפנים משורת הדין, beyond the letter of the law. Chassidim would say: וואס מען טאר ניט – טאר מען ניט. וואס מען מאג – דארף מען ניט.
Post #3 seems to imply that someone going AGAINST ALL chassidishe Rabbonim מורי הורה בפועל (not “pulpit rabbis”) – this is a GREAT chossid
הוי האמרים לרע טוב ולטוב רע שמים חשך לאור ואור לחשך שמים מר למתוק ומתוק
Moshiach Now!
“follow your own intuition…” I can’t tell you how reform that sounds.
What have we come to?
Every layman rendering halacha opinions? Calling isurei d’oraiso ‘politics’?
advising flow lay people to disregard the opinion on the vast majority (all!) Local rabbonim/poskim/dayonim “morei horah b’poel”?
If you truly cared a bit about this community or about Ahavas Yisroel, you would say that while you respect the expertise of the rav who built the eruv, out of respect and deference to the CH community and its leadership you will refrain from using the eruv. That’s what a mentsch would do and what I expect any decent Shliach of the Rebbe to do.
Why the public announcement? And why specifically in response to Rabbi Osdoba’s Issur? You are publicly stating your intention to oppose a ruling of the Badatz of Crown Heights and encouraging others to follow. Truly a choteh u’machati es horabim. Shame on you.
Was permission received from Chezzi to publish his words on this site? The reality is everyone finds his own comfort level in Judaism. If a Rov says its ok then they are allowed to follow that rov…no one …and I mean no one follows everything the Rebbe said to do… People trim their beard, some girls are that careful with tznius, some dont say the full davening…etc etc etc….but they are super awesome people in so many ways perfect where a real chossid can be lacking… Lets accept people for being different and not perfect…its not a healthy way of… Read more »
Halacha is politics?
For a self proclaimd am ho’orets (in this field at the very least) to go again test all prominent chassidishe rabbonim so openly is beyond belief.
This is one of the ‘simonim’ of the times of moshiach
Again ,and again!please people, don’t play with fire!!!!
Please please please… Could your newly elected person be a rabbi-it? We need female representation.
Maybe even a 🌈 person of unknown gender?
Do teshuvah before it’s too late.
Like i said last time..
Crown Heightsers – at the end of the day – pull together.
We did this recently with Call of the Shofer and will do the same with the Eruv.
There are enough people here that still try to follow the right path to keep the community together.
This too shall pass.
Please, everyone, learn the Purim sicha from Likkutei Sichos, vol. 31, p. 170ff.. and in English in A Knowing Heart (Sichos in English, p. 63) for some eye-opening ramifications of all this and how this agreeing to carry could G-d forbid affect all of us….
I am very interested in your feelings. (As I continue my thoughts, please don’t take it as judge mental. I don’t live in crown heights, I am a Shliach in another state) When you say “us Eruv folk” is there an ideology that unites a group of people under that banner, or is it perhaps a common frustration? if there is, Would you care to articulate the jist of it in a nutshell? Do you often feel judged by fellow residents of crown heights, or by comments on collive? Does it disturb you when people question (or mock) your religious… Read more »
I’ve never commented here and I generally avoid squabbling on forums of this nature, however, it appears that a statement I wrote up and posted to my own Facebook wall has been published in this comments section, likely in an effort to drive site traffic or to increase drama.
Whichever way, prior to leveling judgement I’d encourage you to contact me directly in hopes of gaining some perspective as to the context of my post.
My email address is [email protected]
B’Birkas Chsidim,
Chezzi
I lead a large community in So Cal. Something tells me lots of people reading this will share the following two points that should be said. 1) when certified and scholarly ” rabbonim” and yes those are quotation marks don’t act at all like mentschen let alone chassidishe yidden with ahavas Yisroel let alone like rabbonim and project open dirty low politics machlokess and power/ kovod hungry money grabbing acts. Don’t expect to be respected by the community you serve. I know ALL the parties involved for decades. Yes decades some were my teachers some were my fellow students etc.… Read more »
i honestly dont understand the whole machloikes there is a halacha that a rov is not allowed to pasken in the jurisdiction of another rov. just like the mayor of albany cannot enforce legislation in nyc. now if the eruv rov is such a gaon who is able to be choilek on the alter rebbe. i would think he would know that you are not allowed to pasken in someone elses jurisdiction. being that he went against halacha in not following the morei deasra of our community why is he a reliable rov for eruvin especially when we dont know… Read more »
It looks like a great candidate for a rabbi would be the person above who will not offer any halachic opinion on matters as he is not fluent in its laws, but will have no problem leading an entire congregation to go against every single Rov of our community.
To all those ripping on Chezzi right now, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves. One of the most basic tenets of Chabad is supposed to be Ahavas Yisroel. These Rabbonim have created an atmosphere of fighting with each other over stupid and trivial matters, and use the people of Crown Heights as pawns in their silly games. While I d not know Chezzi very well, this is from my one experience I did have with him. When I was in the army I once went to Kosel on a Friday night with no place to eat that night. Lo… Read more »
What’s your excuse to issue given by rabbi heller? And what about the letter of rabbi dowrkin?
It is impossible for there to be a kosher eruv in crown heights. If you can’t handle being shomer shabbos- it’s obvious but trying to blame it on a nonexistent eruv is displaying your ignorance, foolishness, and disrespect for GD, the Rebbe, and your neighbors. This has nothing to do with which rav says what- this is Torah misinai and one was punished with stoning when transgressed Note that anyone who carries is clearly being Michalel shabbos, esp in public, and influencing others to do so with their careless attitude. If you care about anything dear to you, you would… Read more »
B’ikvsa D’Moshicha Chutzpah Yasgei…as said by # 28 and many others….this chuzpah against Rabonim and more so against the Rebbe by those who have no clue in matters of eruvin , surely can only be explained as Moshiach’s times chutzpah with no limitations….
To number 22 sounds like it’s time to give your wife a get. There’s been enough abuse in Kan tzivoh.
Chezzy, I don’t know you – you’re probably a good guy who does a lot of good for your community. Having said that, What need did you fulfill by declaring, like a teenager, “.And so, when I do visit crown heights,…., provided that with all the appropriate pomp the eruv is still up and is being checked weekly, I will be delighted to fulfill the beautiful mitzva of keeping the Shabbos by using its Eruv, … I have never been more proud of the accomplishments of this community…” This non-existent Eruv is “the greatest accomplishment of …” Really – as… Read more »
You claim you don’t know the laws fluently.
You don’t live here anymore.
The “rabbi” you spoke to was hired and it’s nogeah b’davar.
He it’s afraid to say who he is.
Aside from taking the word of people who walk around barely clad, and who are proud to be Chabad light, not Chabad, nusach ari, or anything other that orthodox, there is no proof that there ever was an Eruv constructed here.
Would you eat food certified kosher by an anonymous entity?
Yet you have the chutzpah to still publicize your position.
my my the comments here are going wild, such emotions such political status of who we believe in and who we care about, it was always my understanding that CHaBaD is the acronym for “Seichel” “Moichin” the rhetoric and emotions flying around I hear so many talk about “Playing with fire” where did that come from??? The only time the Rebbe ever spoke about that, and or used that expression, was with the Sforim in connection with “Hey Teves” as many misconstrued the words of the Rebbe, please lets not forget, the Rebbe was the epitome od Ahavas Yisroel. the… Read more »
I feel bad for your wife
Have mercy on Your children. We are ignorant and want Moshiach Now.
You are on your sure way to a divorce if you think that way.
We are Lubavitch and have one Rebbe , if when writing כ׳ק אדמור you have to specify from where it’s a problem in your hiskashrus
Rabbi Chezzie said he’s not an expert, but that he consulted with a rav who IS an expert, and someone he trusts. Isn’t this what we all do every single day when we walk into the butcher or bakery or sushi spot??? We’re all experts on kashrus?? No! We depend on the experts who we trust. This is exactly what he said – that he consulted an expert who he trusts! As for the anonymity of the expert – Chezzie’s not hiding his name. He, the rav himself, asked for teh anonymity to protect himself from YOU!! all this hysterical… Read more »
Where were all these rabbinim before? Where were their letters, halachic opinions, where were they when we needed strong leadership? Why is everyone now coming up with their anti Eiruv stance, after it has already been erected?!!! Sorry but you missed the chance to rise above and lead! The Eiruv was never a secret and now only when it’s too late do you speak up! This is shameful! There’s a reason commenters like #1#2 or anyone calling themselves Chabad lite does not care for your rulings. You weren’t there for them when they were growing up, they saw politics, division… Read more »
I really hope that it is not really Chezzy who wrote this comment, it is in my opinion one of the most embarrassing things anyone can write, especially using ones name.
If you don’t know Halacha, don’t share what you will do against Halacha, forget the local Rabbonim, the Eruv was put up against Halacha, and the possibility of an Eruv being in Crown Heights is clearly against Rav Moshe Feinstein (the king of Kullahs), if you wanna be more makkil then him, at least don’t tell anyone about it!
PATHETIC!
Rabbi Chezzi is the only one following halochoh.
He spoke to the Rabbi personally- research.
He shared it with those who trust him.
He is honoring his own opinion by carrying here, not like other rabbonim who paskn for others and are more frum then them.
The letter of the Rabbis Braun and Schwei is founded on a lie, Rabbi Dworkin never signed the letter, as other Rabbonim on that proclamation didn’t. They denied it when the book was published.
Do your research. Don’t believe a word I say, or anyone else, especially someone whose honor is on the line.
Please request an official English translation of Rabbi Osdoba letter, we don’t understand Hebrew.
live and let live. u want to use the eiruv? use it. u dont want to use it? dont use it.
The last line in this letter meant in short that anyone who will dare oppose the rabonim will have to suffer the consequences which he will bring upon himself. It is customary not to spell that out because it can be really harsh. Remember the story of korach? Even if chezzy was well versed in all 4 parts of Shulchan aruch specialized in the laws of eiruvin he would be playing with fire by coming out against the psak of the rabonim. The only way it might be possible for people living in crown heights to carry on shabbos is… Read more »
#3 “How does one dare have the audacity and outright chutzpah to stand up against our Rebbe, in a public forum as such” For the sake of your soul and wellbeing, please publicly ask forgiveness from the Rebbe and the Crown Heights community.
I will not take back what I wrote. I will add that these rabbis have no standing since they went against Halacha and went to court – ערכאות. I do not hold of these rabbis even though I’m a resident of ch. THEY ARE NOT MY RABBIS. Next project we Eruv folks are planning on is electing another rabbi to represent us.
Could you please tell us the name of the rabbi you consult regarding other issues, or is that also a “secret” ?
Its pretty obviouse that you consult only with your nefesh abehamiss
Maybe this is the impetus to moshiach!!
#1 do you think its possible to be a chosid of the rebbe and openly go against all local rabbonim, or do you no longer consider yourself a chosid.
#2 could you please share your opinion on: shaking hands with opposit gender, going to colege, wearing a tichel, mixed seating at a weding e.t.c.
Thanks
i am curious what makes a shilach ben shilach more of a holy Jew then a regular lubavitch chossid??? The elitism in Lubavitch has caused these problems in crown heights. Many fine yungermen live in crown height and are deprived of shlichus because u and your father, shliach ben shliach have caused the separatism.
p.s. i don’t care about the eruv period
I told my wife that she cannot leave the house and she said that she goes by a different Rabbi and she wil! I told her then you can go and carry your lunch and eat outside but you are not carrying my baby –
No excuse for chilul Shabbos!
BS”D
how about a compromise
i will use the Erev Sunday thru Friday
You are surely aware that our REBBE
and the ALTER REBBE are against this eiruv! Don’t
play with fire by encouraging chilul Shabbas r”l.
Do use your influence to strenghthen Shmiras Shabbos
and hasten the Geulah we all so desparately need!!!!
I disagree with you on everything. But I give you credit for such a civil letter in the face of this whole mess.
Anybody who speaks or even thinks like numbers 1, 3 or 9 should know they are playing with fire !! This everybody agrees is what the Rebbe said that there should be NO eruv here in C.H. and as it so happens all the Rabonim agree so it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS !! So I beg of you for the sake of you and your families and also the wider community take back what you said and IN WRITING !! FOR YOUR SAKES !!Please Please.
You are looking for excuses to feel cool and carry. not another plus – potential chilul Shabbos
You say you are not an expert on the laws, yet you go by an anonymous rabbi based on gut feeling? Why do you weaken the borders of halacha in this holy community of the Rebbe? Stupid, really.
the rebbe was against t he eruv!
and the rebbe knows better!
We need g-ds mercy to save us from the MO chabad that are slowly creaping in to our holy community and changing customes etc….
Since Rabbi Braun says they are not Rabbonim and in Siruv and Rabbi Segal and Osdaba say Braun is no good to even eat his Hescher how can we honestly care what they all say.
Their might be more people who will follow CHEZZI than The 2 Geonim who signed the letter!!!!!!!
You claim you don’t know the laws fluently. You don’t live here anymore. The “rabbi” you spoke to was hired and it’s nogeah b’davar. He it’s afraid to say who he is. Aside from taking the word of people who walk around barely clad, and who are proud to be Chabad light, not Chabad, nusach ari, or anything other that orthodox, there is no proof that there ever was an Eric constructed here. Would you eat food certified kosher by an anonymous entity? Yet you have the chutzpah to still publicize your position. Shame on you and the d’cay you… Read more »
100% agreed…
Is ask Rabbi Brauns Followers about the Tzeidkus of Rav Segal
As a shliach ben shliach how do go against the opinion of
our Rebbe all the way to the Alter Rebbe.!!!
to #3
In a few weeks we’ll be reading the story of Korach… He also chose his path “with all the appropriate pomp and circumstance! ”
It seems people are playing with fire without realizing what they are getting into…
just stop. this is getting pathetic. just leave it all alone
“I will not offer any halachic opinion on the matter as I am NOT fluent in its laws and have little interest in debating”
ENUFF SAID!!!!
*****The following comment is a personal opinion, and does not, in any manner, reflect the opinion and feelings of COLlive.com, or the rabbis of the Vaad. As in all halachic issues, please consult the rabbis whose decisions govern your community.***** Brothers and sisters, particularly the constituents of Chevra Ahavas Yisroel, I have been asked by some of you, presumably as a former leader in the community and rabbi of CAY, to share my opinion on the Eruv recently erected in Crown Heights. I will not offer any halachic opinion on the matter as I am not fluent in its laws… Read more »
they cant even have all the rabonim sign on this letter…but i guess that is fine. pathetic.
I live and don’t follow their rulings anyway in many other matters so this is just another thing they ruled on. Big deal.