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Please Debunk this Parsha Myth

From the COLlive inbox: A reader asks for the source of the notion that Sarah's tent had bread or challah with a long shelf-life. Full Story

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to #27
November 17, 2014 8:49 pm

Logic like yours creates the myth that this young lady correctly labels….. your comment is for Channukah licht and Elisha and the oil….

to Number 22
November 17, 2014 6:28 pm

Thanks!

another possibility
November 17, 2014 4:05 pm

is that no matter how much flour was taken out of the bag, it always remained full.

יגעתי ולא מצאתי
November 17, 2014 11:09 am

Focusing on the initial post that Sarah’s “challah stayed fresh from week to week” There are many places online that cite this including Aish.com. parasha sheets and woman’s sites. It also appears in many recent cooking books and the such if you check Google books but no place that authoritatively brings a source. The source is not in Midrash Rabbah 60:16 and those that say so are mistranslating. It is not cited as a girsa or midrash in Toras Shleimah, Meam Loez, Sefer HaParshiyos , Pardes Yosef, The Midrash Says, and others. Still looking. Although there is some indirect allusion… Read more »

Title doesn't match article
November 16, 2014 6:54 pm

Is this ‘debunking a myth’ with a forgone conclusion, or is the point to find out if there is a mokor?

Esther and mordechai
November 16, 2014 6:48 pm

were cousins, NOT uncle and neice.

Bas dodo translates as daughter of uncle i.e. cousin

Avichayil (esthers father) was mordechais uncle.

Source: megillas esther . perek beis pasuk 7 and 15

stealing sleep
November 16, 2014 3:39 pm

the poskim talk about this and some justify using the term stealing although the core issues are love your neighbor, not to hurt, and property rights include quiet. הרבה מהפוסקים האריכו בענין איסור ‘גזל שינה’ ומקורו, והעולה מן הדברים שאין זה איסור מדין ‘גזל’ אלא מדין ‘ואהבת לרעך כמוך’ או מדין אונאת דברים שאסור לאדם לצער את חבירו. ובשם החפץ חיים הובא (בספר החפץ חיים ופעלו חלק ג’ עמוד ק”ה) שהמעיר את חבירו משנתו גוזל ממנו את מנוחתו וזה גזל שאין לו השבה. מקורות: ראה בשו”ת שבט הלוי חלק ז’ סי’ רכ”ד שנשאל בדבר מקור איסור זה וכתב בתחילה שאין… Read more »

red hair
November 16, 2014 3:28 pm

most midrashim, and meforshim understand that it is red complexion, temperament, or covered in blood. dovid is called a similar description. in shir hashirim the description is adomi and black hair, so clearly there it is complexion. However in torah sheleimah see the footnote where he brings down a midrash that is in manuscript that says red hair. Shadal says red hair as well. if one read the verse as saying red hair covering his whole body it might work, but the simple understanding of the text seems to read adomi, red (comma), covered in hair like a cloak.

gezel sheina
November 16, 2014 11:13 am

Children in school are taught that sleep is the worst thing to steal as you can never pay it back.

While it sounds nice it isn’t considered stealing halachokly as stealing can only be done when taking something tangible and sleep isn’t tangible.

agree
November 16, 2014 3:50 am

I too would love to read more common parsha bloopers

haha
November 16, 2014 2:39 am

I feel like this is a venting session 🙂

Shalach monos
November 15, 2014 11:53 pm

It does NOT have to be two brochos.

Midrashim
November 15, 2014 10:29 pm

Some of the stories in Midrash are allegories and not necessarily have really happened-it would be nice to which are allegories. Paroh’s small height and Titus being killed by a gnat that grew gigantic were two examples that may have been allegorical.

Thanks # 3, 7 & 13
November 15, 2014 9:10 pm

Maybe you can clarify: Does it say anywhere that Eisav had red hair? Or was he red skinned, and hairy (with no mention of the colour of his hair)?

I just came back from a shiur in 770
November 15, 2014 6:57 pm

The dough was blessed which some medorshim say it meant that the dough was blessed and a recipe yielding 10 challis, really made 20 challos and the like.

To #9
November 14, 2014 5:32 pm

thanks for pointing out that misunderstanding regarding Rachel!

Based on your proven ability to point out parsha errors can I suggest you write a blog with a parsha error of the week?

I suppose it would be funny when you error and someone blogs about the error in the parsha error of the week.

from 3 &7 to #10
November 14, 2014 4:13 pm

Correct. My point was the linkage between the lechem hapanim and Sarah’s Chala is the source for conflating the miracles. But see this amazing point. It is not the Jewish home that is compared to the beis hamikdash and we are recreating the lostglory in our own homes. But rather the beis hamikdash is built on the model of the Jewish home and the kohen gadol is built on the model of Sarah our matriarch

Bar Seichel's reinterpretation of #4 above
November 14, 2014 2:19 pm

You said: “Avraham was a wealthy man who had enough flour to allow Sarah to make plenty of dough” Maybe it would be more accurate to say “Avraham made plenty of dough and his wealth allowed Sarah to have plenty of flour to make her own dough” !

Another explanation
November 14, 2014 2:08 pm

“brocho” in dough means that u would fill up from a small amount. As we find regarding the brochos in bechukosai

to #7
November 14, 2014 1:58 pm

he says nothing about it being fresh, just connects the bread aspect of it

Another parsha error
November 14, 2014 1:43 pm

I listen all the time to teachers teaching that Yaakov waited seven years and then Lavan tricked him into marrying Leah (true). Then Yaakov waited another seven years and married Rachel (False) He actually waited another seven days, then married Rachel and worked the seven years for her.

My challa lasts a week.
November 14, 2014 1:12 pm

I think with all the sugar that I put in mine, it helps it last. 🙂
At least here in NY, where it is not so hot and we have a/c

Shem mishmuel
November 14, 2014 1:08 pm

The Sheim mishmuel says that the mishkan is built on the model of sarahs tent. He links the bracha in sarahs chala to the lechem hapanim that stayed fresh, the candles staying lit to the ner maravi etc. I linked the hebrew version. Bracha found in the isa does mean enough, or filling etc but this is the source for the linkage.

Hes righr
November 14, 2014 1:01 pm

People explain it to mean her guests left satiated. simply that she had a blessing to be a good cook

Source?
November 14, 2014 12:56 pm

where is the source of the sappirstein chumash?

He's right. can't find anyone that explains it to mean week to week
November 14, 2014 12:56 pm

The Midrash says that there was blessing in Sarah’s dough.
(Bereishis Rabbah 60) Rabbi Pinchas of Koretz comments that
this does not mean that Sarah’s meager dough grew to massive
proportions. Avraham was a wealthy man who had enough
flour to allow Sarah to make plenty of dough. The blessing was
that when she made the dough it rose evenly and baked into a
delightful, sweet-smelling, gleaming loa

Sheim Mishmuel
November 14, 2014 12:53 pm

“האהלה שרה אמו. ברש”י דוגמת שרה אמו שכ”ז ששרה קיימת הי’ נר דלוק מע”ש לע”ש וברכה מצוי’ בעיסה וענן קשור על האוהל, ומשמתה פסקו וכשבאה רבקה חזרו. הנה הרמב”ן ז”ל )בהקדמה לספר שמות( כתב שהאבות הי’ סוד ה’ עלי אהלם, והמשכן שהי’ אח”כ הי’ דוגמת האבות. והנה שלשה דברים הללו מצינו במשכן שהי’ הנר המערבי דולק בנס שממנו הי’ מדליק ובו הי’ מסיים, ובלחם הפנים לחם חם ביום הלקחו ושנשתלחה ברכה בלחם הפנים ועוד זה כי ענן ה’ על המשכן, וכל אלה היו נסים. והם עצמם הדברים שנאמרו בשרה. וענין נר דולק מע”ש לע”ש, היינו שימי החול לא קלקלו את… Read more »

Wow
November 14, 2014 12:39 pm

Thanks! It’s in all the Parsha curriculums, so ya, an actual source would be great

another girsa in Rashi
November 14, 2014 12:30 pm

the Rebbe does bring in likutei sichos another girsa in rashi that says the bracha was in the dough AND bread/challah. (although it doesn’t say what that bracha was)

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