By Sandy Eller – VIN News
Brooklyn, NY – A Crown Heights couple are taking an airline to task after flight attendants insisted that they face their infant’s car seat toward the front of the plane, despite FAA recommendations that babies be placed in a rear facing safety seat when flying.
Yosef and Sarah Shidler were returning to New York from Florida on June 11th on Southwest Flight 4173 from Fort Lauderdale – Hollywood International Airport to La Guardia with a stopover in Atlanta when the incident occurred.
Boarding Flight 3128, the connecting leg of the Southwest flight in Atlanta during family boarding, the couple, who had paid for a seat for their 10 month old daughter Tiferes, strapped the child safety seat into the window seat in the plane’s second row when the difficulties began.
“The passenger in front of us went to lean her seat back but it only went halfway back because of the safety seat,” Sarah Shidler told VIN News. A discussion ensued between the couple and the passenger in the first row and a flight attendant intervened, telling the Shidlers that they had to turn the safety seat around to the forward facing position.
“I tried to explain that I paid for a seat for my daughter for her safety and that I feel bad that the woman couldn’t recline her seat but there was really nothing I could do about it,” said Yosef Shidler. The couple said that they are loyal Southwest flyers who travel monthly with their young daughter, either on business or to visit out of town family members, and that they have never been asked by Southwest to turn their safety seat to the forward facing position before.
The woman in the first row relocated to another seat, but the situation repeated itself when another passenger sat down in the same front row seat and experienced the same difficulty reclining her seat. While Yosef Shidler left the plane to speak with a supervisor, Mrs. Shidler said she was issued an ultimatum by a flight attendant and the pilot: turn the seat around or get off the plane.
“This was expected to be a turbulent flight,” said Mrs. Shidler. “I told the pilot, you are an educated man and you understand that if the plane takes a quick drop, my daughter’s tiny body will be thrown forward instead of her just leaning into it in the rear facing position. He just looked at me and said ‘this is our policy.’”
This Shidler’s car seat, an Evenflo SureRide DLX Convertible Car Seat is certified by the Federal Aviation Administration for airline travel and according to the manufacturer the seat can only be used in the rear facing position for infants weighing less than 22 pounds. Tiferes Shidler’s parents say that she weighs only 18 pounds.
On its website, the FAA “strongly urges” parents to secure children in a government approved child safety restraint system during air travel, with a table on the agency’s site saying that children weighing less than 22 pounds should be placed in a rear-facing child restraint system. As stated on their website, Southwest does offer special infant fares and recommends proper use of a child safety seat in order to enhance child safety during air travel, with no further mention of which direction those seats should be faced on the aircraft.
According to the Shidlers, the airline made no attempt to address the problem by arranging for them to relocate to the front row of the full flight, where the reclining issue would have been resolved and that after being pressured by the flight crew to either comply with their requests or to leave the aircraft they turned the safety seat around, against their better judgment.
“It was the last flight out of Atlanta and when they told us we should try a different flight, they made it very clear that we would have to make those arrangements on our own,” said Shidler. “They kept pushing us, telling us that we were delaying the entire flight.”
The day after their return to New York, Mrs. Shidler posted the story of her flight on Facebook where it sparked outrage and caught notice of baby gear expert Jamie Grayson, who posted the story on Twitter. Grayson’s tweet attracted the attention of Southwest, who responded that they had already reached out to the Shidlers and are investigating the incident.
While the Shidlers say they do expect to be compensated for their experience, they are far more concerned about what they call an industry wide failure to educate flight crews about the proper use of child safety seats in flight.
“My primary concern is that no child should ever have their safety compromised because of flight crews who put the comfort of a passenger ahead of the safety of a child,” said Yosef Shidler, who noted that a similar incident took place just days earlier on an American Airlines flight.
“So many people travel with child safety seats and flight crews need to be educated about safety,” added Mrs. Shidler. “This is serious stuff and I want a paper I can take anywhere so that I won’t have this problem ever again.”
Overreacting much? The kid weighed 18 lbs, and the law requires this arrangement for 20 lbs. That’s what he wrote on facebook at least. If he turns his seat around its no danger. This should be the worst of your ptoblems. Count your blessings.
You are 100 percent right.
They must respect children’s safety and a frum couple. I hope they compensate you BIG time 🙂
That person won the lottery and got bulk seat (or maybe they paid more). Maybe switch with people at the back of the plane
Whoa people calm down and stop judging!
The parents did offer to sit in the seat in front of the rear facing car seat but that passenger did not want to switch.
The fact that this was not mentioned in the article does not give you a right to be so judgementel. And why is this a chillul hashem? Standing up for ones rights within the law and in a courteous way is a kiddush hashem as far as I can tell.
and also feel that this has nothing to do with religion. just because they are and look religious jewish doesn’t mean they can’t stand up for what they think is right. everyone is entitled to make a stand for their position. nah, you’re a yid, swallow everyone else’s garbage in the name of not riling up another pogrom…
time for more people to start using avios
Thank u for doing your best to fight for what is right. Following safety regs according to the safety seat instructions should be a no brainier…the fact that this family appeared overtly Jewish is a given and as such the less than supportive behavior by airline personnel should be at the very leat questioned and brought to light…not ignores!!!! Kol hakovod to the family for speaking out for the sake of All hidden!
Just because in a car rear facing the car seat is safer, who says the same applies to a plane? The dynamics of a plane is very different to a car, the proof being that all the passenger seat belts in a plane are different to that of a car. Did these passengers research this? Perhaps they are just looking for a way to get attention and money.
BH
I am mostly appalled by the comments. Safety is priority, and this case was a grossly unsafe reponse by the pilot and flight attendants.
On behalf of all parents and parents to be, thank you for taking the time to take them to court!
They had to get off the flight, fight with everyone, that cost them money. That’s the damage.
Why do you deserve money exactly? That’s what the chilul HaShem is! You don’t deserve a red cent! They made a mistake and because of their mistake absolutely nothing happened. Maybe fight that in the future this doesn’t happen again but to get compensated! Seriously
To number 1,2,5,7,8 and anyone else that writes something close the above numbers you are a bunch of morons
I’m far from a safety freak. The story is a very clear simple story.
The airline screwed up badly to treat then as they did. They at minimum deserve free flight for this horrible experience and a huge apology.
Yosef smetana.
Stop being embarrassed about frum yodel etc. This has nothing to do with Jewish etc
And using moron in a understatement.
Good shabbos.
I’ve flown quite a bit – economy class, and I’ve never been able to lean my seat back comfortably. If I would have done so, the adult passenger behind me would have had my seat in his/her lap. The passenger in front of the baby could have sat a tad less comfortably than usual for the few hours that the plane was in flight. THAT’s the one who should have stop whining… BTW, not all flight attendants are the courteous souls we would like them to be.
they got their tickets refunded! & the airline will reinforce a new rule to let the parents keep the carseat the way they want for their child!!!!!
Where have you been hiding??? There were plenty of plane crashes and deaths recently!! Go look on the news!! Wow! What ignorance!
Hatzlocha!!!!hatzlacha!!
Times 13 years since the last death so relax….. thanks safety
Shindler think about that why look for publicity Give him a free meal on the next flight
Dont come across as looking for $ when nothing happened.
never compromise on safety I fully support the parents! Shame on the airline for such an extreme error. They will pay for this one heavily!
Everyone knows that one must face their children in rear facing seats the risk of getting rear-ended on a plane is so high and so dangerous. Chas V’chalila
to,1,2,5,7,i,agree.the,others,not,exactly..
I’m sorry you had to go through this sickening and humiliating ordeal, and I hope that SWA more than apologizes for this.
That said, as Frum Jews, you will be stigmatized. Whereas if this story happened to John Smith everyone would rush to be compassionate and criticize SWA, with a Frum Jew, they
will brush it off in favor of SWA and say that you are trying to do something illegal or extort money from SWA etc…
Do what you need to do, but please tread carefully. Maybe work this out with them quietly.
The whole issue is blown so way out of proportion. Yes there are studies showing rear facing is safer but the difference is very slight. Certainly she is much safer in a forward facing carseat than the vast majority of babies who fly completely unrestrained.
When my kids were small, there were no seat belts in cars, for anyone! We took our babies home from the hospital in our arms or in an early, primitive version of today’s car seats and, BH, they all survived to adulthood.
i also feel this is being overdone by becoming so public…not every issue we have has to hit the news…especially when its in the name of chabad…
Number 5 is exactly correct.
To quote for the skim readers: “Let one of the parents sit in the seat in front of the child…and no issue!!”
Flight seating is tight and getting tighter, maybe stop whining and figure out a way for it to work out.
I don’t think the seat needs to be rear facing on an aircraft. It is only to serve the purpose to keep the child safe from turbulence, landing etc.. It would hardly help in a crash G-d forbid, whereas in a car it would make all the difference
Were Jews it doesn’t mean we shud just sit and let watever happens happen. Standing up for urerights is not a chillul hashem.
Well said
I understand your concerns, but i believe you’re being a bit over-dramatic.
read the article again. “According to the Shidlers, the airline made no attempt to address the problem by arranging for them to relocate to the front row of the full flight, where the reclining issue would have been resolved”
Let one of the parents sit in the seat in front of the child…and no issue!!
Problem solved!!
Why should another passenger be uncomfortable during the flight? They also paid for their flight, like the little girl.
Glad the family including little Tiferes got home safely and that this issue is now being pubicized. Yasher koach.
“My primary concern is that no child should ever have their safety compromised because of flight crews who put the comfort of a passenger ahead of the safety of a child,” said Yosef Shidler
They have to remember that they are frum Yidden with a tafkid not to make a chillul hashem. I am in no means suggesting that they compromise the safety of their child to prevent a chilul Hashem, However, if this was so important to them and it’s obvious that the person in front of them would be uncomfortable, perhaps they should have paid for a bulk head seat where there would be nobody in front of them. Or perhaps the husband or wife could sit directly in front of the carseat so it would be their seat that could not… Read more »
why mention compensation?
You want money for this?