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How to Deprogram from ‘Shofar’

Now that rabbis forbid it and experts warned against it, Rabbi Shea Hecht offers a 40-day detox for those who went to the "Call of the Shofar." Full Story

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Author of The Call of the Shofar
January 9, 2014 11:50 am

I was really excited about all the attention to The Call of the Shofar, a book of stories for children published by Merkos, with blessings of The Rebbe, many years ago. That book was republished four times and has been read by many children. Now out of print, I thought this was heralding the republication of this book. The Call of the Shofar is historically the story of a lost young boy in Russia who finds his way back when he hears the shofar blowing while standing there in the street, quite unaware of his origins. I pray and hope… Read more »

To #93
January 7, 2014 12:45 pm

Very smart. Excellent problem-solving. Maybe all of this tumult has been worth it, if a positive spin on spiritual/mental health is an outcome. I hope that there are those in the community who can meet to get things to the next level. I would imagine only a stronger community if this would be a focus. Then such issues as abuse, parenting, davening, emotions, thought, and more, would be part of a much-needed conversation. Thank you for a voice of depth and thought.

Following rabbonim & Shea Hecht
January 6, 2014 9:45 pm

Why haven’t they re-instated the very fine mechanech who Rabbi Shea Hecht said is now cult-free?
Rabbi Hecht said he would trust him with his own child!

Do you have more experience than Rabbi Shea Hecht in dealing with cults?

Do you have a higher authority than the rabbonim who speak dvar H’ who said no one should be fired?

chosid
January 5, 2014 9:57 pm

B”H In “Confessions of a Shofar Staffer” Shmuel Pollen says (post #318): From the author I just wanted to add. That I have seen many go off the derech from therapy as well. This puts us in a serious conundrum. We are forced to choose between our spiritual health and our mental health. In truth. We cannot separate the two. What is more important to our spirituality then how we think? Modern psychology, even if it attempts to remain netural, impact the way we think whether we like it or not. This I feel is the “call of our generation”.… Read more »

Just to remind you.
January 5, 2014 3:02 pm

Re: what I said above.

You might be interested to note. That Shofar began with just a few guys discussing their feelings. 🙂

Do the same thing. Do it RIGHT.

P.S. This is the author of confessions.

Suggestion
January 5, 2014 2:57 pm

Re: mental health and spiritualiy minus shofar. If I may. A really good action step that we could do right now is: Simply start a “group chavrusa” where you learn the Rebbe’s letters about mental health, and happiness and how to deal with tragedy and the prakim in Tanya about happiness, and R’ Majeski’s book. Do it in a circle. Everybody a part. Discuss. In addition to the learning everyone checks in with how they’re feeling before and after. Slowly you open up to each other about things going on in your life until you’re comfortable and suddenly you have… Read more »

Excellent Point #93
January 5, 2014 10:33 am

“This will require a concerted efffort between very knowledgeble mashpiim and very qualified mentla health professionals.”

There is an organization of frum mental health professionals. It’s called NEFESH. I hope they are addressing this. With the current raging controversy, the time is ripe for them to make some sort of statement and to examine this issue in depth. In the mean time, the approach of the BD”TZ in issuing a p’sak against something that they have determined is both questionable and dangerous is a prudent approach and one that should be adopted by any responsible community leader.

Now that we know its roots are treif
January 5, 2014 8:04 am

I would like to know:
What can we learn from this?
What did ppl gain from having gone?
What qualities did the retreat have that seemed to nurture the participants.
We need to learn how to nurture our own who are hurting.

chosid
January 5, 2014 3:47 am

B”H In “Confessions of a Shofar Staffer” Shmuel Pollen says (post #318): From the author I just wanted to add. That I have seen many go off the derech from therapy as well. This puts us in a serious conundrum. We are forced to choose between our spiritual health and our mental health. In truth. We cannot separate the two. What is more important to our spirituality then how we think? Modern psychology, even if it attempts to remain netural, impact the way we think whether we like it or not. This I feel is the “call of our generation”.… Read more »

chosid
January 5, 2014 2:52 am

B”H It is a huge mistake to label COTS AZ. Was there any actual AZ performed at their group sessions or individual sessions? I highly doubt it. Is anyone practicing AZ as a result. Highly doubtful. Can people leave it, I am sure they can and have done so. But all this frantic talk of AZ is making some of the stalwart members of COTS to become defensive and digging in their heels to prove that COTS is not AZ. All that may really be needed is to provide clarification that the specific erroneous or halachically inappropriate therapy practices must… Read more »

thanks for your insight
January 5, 2014 12:33 am

We appreciate your help! Why didn’t you tell this to the community a year ago and save so many people?

agree that the expert should identify himself
January 4, 2014 11:06 pm

Otherwise how do we know he is who he claims?

To 87
January 4, 2014 10:09 pm

The women’s program is not nearly as bad as the men’s. Keep that in mind.

TO 86
January 4, 2014 9:34 pm

COTS HELPS with all issues: because you stop caring and dealing with issues- you become a passive observer to problems you should be dealing with…they get totally unfazed by problems…lets see how long this lasts. actually lets daven that they get out of this!

To comment # 86
January 4, 2014 9:32 pm

I went to call of the shofar and that is exactly what it taught me, how to be there for my kids emotionally how to love them unconditionally, how to care for them…. After going to call of the shofar my life has only changed for the positive! Not sure what i should detox from, loving my kids more, being more present for them, try to understand them emotionally, communicating better with my husband??!! Seriously all that is going around about Cots is total ignorance!!!!! Sooooo sad!!

Thank you Rabbi Hecht
January 4, 2014 8:36 pm

I think it’s great that you came into the picture! I wonder what this world is turning into??? I think that people should do enough research on this cots before they decide to go through with it and take 5 mins of their time and think is this something that the rebbe would approve of? If what the methods that cots is using to help people with their issue or problems is appropriate at all or let alone halachically permitted? even more so; is cots out to help people or just rip you off by far when people are struggling… Read more »

Thank You rabbi
January 4, 2014 6:52 pm

Thank You rabbi Hecht

Please read well #39 and #80
January 4, 2014 6:49 pm

with all due respect to #39 who feels that he knows exactly what a Chassdisher Rov would do . Honestly, are you one, or has one told you what he would do? or is it your personal assesment? Please ALL pro- cots still wondeing. READ CAREFFULLY the post #80 and have rachmonus on your neshomos and the neshomos of anybody that you might be in a position of influencing How to go about it go privately “Alibo denafshey” to a chasidishen Rov, mashpia, and ask him to guide you. because the expressions used by the professionals whether they should have… Read more »

To #46
January 4, 2014 4:28 pm

How on earth can you expect to be taken seriously by not stating who you are! You quote your long credentials without stating who you are… Pathetic!

to 8
January 4, 2014 3:21 pm

please bring a source
don’t just put a letter from the Rebbe.
thanks

To #53
January 3, 2014 6:05 pm

May I ask where you are getting your information from? Specifically, about George Pransky? What makes you think he’s teaching brainwashing and Buddhism? Many people in the frum community use his ideas. He’s a psychologist, not a guru or cult leader.

to all pro-cots still wondering...
January 3, 2014 2:35 pm

eventhough you feel you have grown
eventhough you feel you improved

our leaders are all agreeing that its coming from an improper source.
remember other religions may also preach good behavior
but since they are coming from tumaa they are assur.
so althought the results look good-
the energy, the koach is coming from klipa and thats what your feeding off.

to 68
January 3, 2014 2:23 pm

Put your money where your mouth is. Did you call them and ask them for your money back?

no need to deprogram
January 3, 2014 2:20 pm

just realize:
you grew, you improved. great! don’t go back to old ways!

Just dont fool yourself that the methods were ok!!!

They are still being investigated… so

Stay healthy! Be happy! Learn chassidus and get on with a good and happy life!!!

COTS ruining community funding sources and Chabad institutions
January 3, 2014 2:17 pm

Since COTS may have up to 2000 Lubavitchers that went at $750 per person, that means that $1500000 has left our community and being spent instead on CULT activities and their leaders bank accounts. People should be outraged! Our own tzedakas have therefore lost $1500000 to AZ. That money could have gone to: * Hatzalah CH * RCCS * Friendship Circle * Chabad.org *LYO * Our schools who claim they are underfunded and can’t provide more educational services for our children. Or to help fellow shluchim who can’t pay rent or who have young children with special needs who need… Read more »

to 73
January 3, 2014 2:15 pm

I am a former member…
with an open mind look up the specific method that was posted by the expert… its pretty close to what goes on at the weekend… while it may not INCLUDE indoctrination of AZ idiologies, it is nevertheless a questionable endeavor and should be and is still currently being investigated…
all the best brother!

former member
January 3, 2014 2:09 pm

It took a while but it hit… My inability to look with an open mind prevented me from being honest with others and with myself about cots. I went as far as accusing others of being closed-minded and brainwashed by the hysteria. I still believe that there was a lot more bark than bite, and that many people were venting and screaming from a place of ignorance and hype… But I may be wrong on that. Nevertheless, I now stand corrected. I decided to look up the many sources from which the activities stem and they are indeed questionable. While… Read more »

to 7
January 3, 2014 1:54 pm

Rabbi Osdabo isn’t coming out with a Psak because he feels he is ‘Nogea B’dovor’ as some people close to him attended COTS

to 46
January 3, 2014 1:39 pm

Is there any particular reason why you need to remain anonymous? A doctoral degree is a public designation, and to be using it as leverage in a public debate without revealing your identity, and allowing your credentials to be confirmed, seems highly unusual. Also, your specific findings are entirely opaque. What, exactly, did you find that is a “Buddhist method” etc? Any reason not to specify?

watch the film Captive Minds
January 3, 2014 12:53 pm

Which one? On Youtube many show up and they’re all very long

We must respect the psak!
January 3, 2014 12:33 pm

even if we think that it will soon be rescinded or changed,

as chasidim, our approach is to follow daas Torah first!

-a fellow cots alum, who is saddened abt all the negativity and sinas chinum

moshiach now!

A chasidisher approach indeed!
January 3, 2014 12:21 pm

My AL”R (Asei Lcha Rav) told me to go
And (thus) for me it was a BOOST in my Yiddishkeit and Avodas Hashem

For those who went on their own “Deia”, you guys anyways need help, because you make important decisions not the way the Rebbe instructed his Chassidim to!!
How then do you expect Sayata Dishmaya in this or in any endeavor.

Number 66
January 3, 2014 11:54 am

“What specifically does COTS teach or do that has its origins in A”Z?” One can shake a bottle of wine and it is not a”z. One can shake a bottle of wine as a”z and it becomes posul. The “exercises” and philosophy of this group are admittedly drawn from a”z and recognized cults, religions, and pop psychology. If you wish to only focus on a”z, you can start with a person making themselves an a”z. And this man/group’s overriding emphasis is on the self even at the expense of Torah V’Mitzvos, including halacha. That, by definition, is avoda zoro. It… Read more »

Former COTS member calling for BoyCOTS
January 3, 2014 11:49 am

I was duped to attend at COTS weekend after several Lubavitchers approached me deceivingly and said “Come to the weekend-long Farbrengen”. Well, I went and didn’t have a good time. I felt controlled, manipulated and on Shabbos had a real “uh oh” moment when they started doing really weird things. At one point they they had me staring and touching another man for over an hour! This probably brings out gender difficulty problems in the long run and should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately I heard about other Chabad lecturers and teachers who were going and now I understand… Read more »

to number 8
January 3, 2014 11:36 am

where is that letter from?
thank you!

Specifics Please
January 3, 2014 11:32 am

Generalities and more generalities. The author writes: “…some of the origins of COTS are avoda zara mamash. ” I have not attended COTS nor have I ever recommended that anyone do so. But I have spoken directly with past participants and I have in hand the facilitator’s manual for one of their followup courses. And frankly, I did not find anything that had “some of its origins A”Z mamash,” anymore than I do most of modern psychology. So I would like to hear some specifics, and not the broad generalities used by this and so many others who have contributed… Read more »

to 37
January 3, 2014 11:24 am

You don’t have to deprogram, just keep davening f,arbrenging ,learning
Deprogrammming is only for teachers, mashpiim

to shea's expert
January 3, 2014 11:21 am

I am no. 47 with the two questions. Thank you for addressing my concern. The idea of debate is not to C”V argue the merits of any AZ. Rather, to debate whether or not the methods used at the workshop are osur (bound – to klipah) and therefore not able to be used in kedusha. I get the feeling that the more conservative (open-minded) readers and commenters (whether past participants or otherwise) are coming to a meeting of minds because of open, clear and forthcoming information and communication, such as yours. Those on the extremes of both sides are, sadly,… Read more »

Meeting
January 3, 2014 11:12 am

Please post as soon as possible the time and meeting place for Rabbi Shea Hecht’s lecture. Can women attend? What about young yeshiva bochurim. Will it be a the yeshiva’s seder? Is there a charge for attending?

Make up your mind
January 3, 2014 11:09 am

Rabbi Hecht, first you came out strong against it, then you start saying that its not so bad, then you say that you need this whole long process to take care of it…
Is it an issue or not??

THANK YOU RABBI HECHT
January 3, 2014 11:05 am

AND ANYONE ELSE WHO IS MAKING AN EFFORT TO ERADICATE THIS CANCER FROM OUR MIDST.

To #40
January 3, 2014 10:52 am

Rabbi Osdoba did not speak to the person Rabbi hecht spoke to. Shea should arrange a meeting with Rabbi Osdaba with the experts in this field.
But you know from the confessions of COTS
That curse words did not matter
Goyishe music is there
A yarmulke falls is nishrt geferlech
Bichlal Shabbos used for this garbage
and most important you Have Rabbis Schwai and Brown assered it.
Rabbi Yoel said explicitely not to go.
The conclusion is self understood.

A gutten Shabbos
Nachman Sanowicz

Are you sure you want people to 'deprogram'?! Think again...
January 3, 2014 10:52 am

People that went finally had time to really express themselves and start to heal from old wounds with other frum yiden. They came home able to have deeper connection with their wives and children, be more present, creating a healthy atmosphere at home and much better Shalom bayis. And they do not go around singing COTS praises, they’re just grateful to have been able to accomplish all that in their lives. Should they really ‘deprogram’ themselves from all those beautiful changes?!?! Can anyone take the achrayis on their shoulders for causing that deprograming?

importance of deprograming
January 3, 2014 10:36 am

If you want to know how many people need de programing, just watch very carefully, how many people are still fighting for the SOFFAR that connected them to AVOIDO ZORO R”L which is the total HEIPACH of the shofar of Roish hashono that connects yiden to THE OIBERSHTER. Thank you rabbi shiye hecht – you are for sure doing the right thing.

Shea's Expert
January 3, 2014 10:34 am

There is no reason for an open debate. 1. Is there any debate on whether Jews should embrace Buddhist practices? Since the days of the Ramban and the early Rishonim, there has been a widely held ban on debating. Should we also debate the merits of Hebrew-Christianity? 2. Should there be a workshop for Chabad members on enhancing their spiritual lives? Here the answer is an absolute YES. I have spoken to Rabbi Shea Hecht and told him this is an absolute chov kodesh for such a program. I encouraged him to lead it but – in his modesty –… Read more »

to 48
January 3, 2014 10:33 am

stop the slander.
a jew’s level of observance is never a topic for public discussion.
period.

Nuance
January 3, 2014 10:31 am

There’s a general problem of not understanding nuance in Lubavitch and jumping to extremes. Here are the facts: 1) there is a psak din that it is assur to attend cots. 2) All the Chabad experts in the field of mind control/suggestion/cults so far have been critical of COTS. I have yet to see an expert in this field (chabad or not) support COTS as a healthy way of self growth FOR THE MASSES (perhaps specific indiviuals with specific issues have been advised to attend). 3) I have yet to see a medical expert endorse the program FOR The MASSES.… Read more »

Thank you rabbi Hecht , thank u expert
January 3, 2014 10:26 am

Please can u print expert letter not just as a comment it is soooo important for all to read . Not everyone reads every comment

CATS (Call AGAINST The SHOFAR) Movement
January 3, 2014 10:04 am

It is time to turn COTS into CATS. Not only does COTS leadership use brainwashing to affect new victims, they themselves are products of brainwashing seminars which they have attended. Frischling for example listed on his website his “trainings”. They include brain washing and mind control programs and extensive Buddhist teachings including: Landmark (Brainwashing) New Warrior (Brainwashing) Richard Moss (Brainwashing and Buddhism) George Pransky (Brainwashing and Buddhism) Sandra Sherer (Buddhism) Jessica Dibba (Buddhism, Hinduism) John Ruskin (Brainwashing and Buddhuism) COTS has infiltrated significant leaders in our community including rabbis, speakers, teachers and principals. These people need significant deprogramming and Raphael… Read more »

Thank you!
January 3, 2014 9:50 am

Thank you Shea Hecht for clarifying. And thank you #46 – Sheas expert for clarifying further.

To comment # 46
January 3, 2014 9:47 am

Really?! You post anonymously and expect anybody to take you serious and all?!

Please do repost with your name and contact information so I can reach out to you if I need your help.

to 37
January 3, 2014 9:46 am

ya you are the same kluginker all along with your comments – yetser hora- don’t worry you are not going to get us. you keep hacking the sme idea. well you know what, even if it made you a great person – doesnt’ justify the means. for some people after they rob a bank they will become a tsaddik bec. all they need is menuchas hanefesh and a full pocket of money to calm them down and they will become the most frum chassidshe guy – well….

agree with 39
January 3, 2014 9:43 am

Let’s be mindful and sensitive.
Especially because most (if not all) have gone with the intention to improve their character.

#46
January 3, 2014 9:40 am

Thanks for your time and effort!!!!

By the way being in Sydney I saw SImcha and asked him which SHul he davens in and he answered it is a personal question?!

Ask anyone in Sydney where he davens? He is a capt who abandoned his ship and sold it to two CH residents. They are making or now at least trying to recoop there loses

to shea's expert
January 3, 2014 9:37 am

2 requests: 1. the last thing we need is one group of rabbis and pros on one side saying traif and another group of rabbis and pros saying kosher. Can we have an open debate? 2. do you see any hope for a workshop such as COTS that is 100% kosher? Ein tov belo ra we have already seen, but ein ra beloi toiv too 🙂 is there a way to get the same benefits without the cost of AZ or worse? Thank you very much! PS I like the PS from another commentor. can you please forward this request… Read more »

Shea's Expert
January 3, 2014 9:20 am

I’m the person who researched COTS online at Shea’s request. I have a doctorate and have been in counseling and anti-cult work since 1974. This will be my 40th year working in the anti-cult sphere. My work was endorsed by Rabbi Immanuel Schochet (who once called me his Rebbe in New Testament), Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan (who once joined me on a deprogramming) and finally and ultimately, a personal letter from the Rebbe himself. If you want to question my credentials, take it up with the Rebbe. I traced the roots of COTS to Simcha’s teachers and went through their materials.… Read more »

Rabbi Hecht
January 3, 2014 9:18 am

I love you u are a light in this sick darkness

Yasher Koach Rabbi Hecht
January 3, 2014 9:16 am

Finally, a leader taking proper stand against this terrible mageifa that has befallen us.
To all the hysterical COTS supporters: Please take a step back and see where your hysteria and fear of losing this connection is coming from. Your comments speak volumes. So many experts and experienced individuals are not wrong. Call of the Shofar is a cult. Get the help you need. Wake up!

to n0.36
January 3, 2014 9:13 am

yes, very well expresssed, i like the way you emphasize and highlight the message here.

Thank you Rabbi Hecht!
January 3, 2014 9:10 am

Get the Klipah of the Shofar out of our midst! Deprogram the teachers. Open a Tanya and keep it open for life.

Proof of Tarfus
January 3, 2014 8:20 am

All one has to do is see the utter contempt for rabonnim and Torah sh’baal peh that these shofarites express to understand the peiros of this movement. Thank you, Rabbi Hecht. You acted in the spirit of all the Kedoshim who, throughout history, stood up and proclaimed MI L’Hashem Alai! Your beloved father A”H did the same and his tzidkus still reverberates throughout the Borei’s Olamim. Zachiso, and Zachisa to you, my friend.

Harav Osdoba
January 3, 2014 7:49 am

If its so straight forward that this is avoda zarah, why doesn’t Harav Osdoba say so????
Something doesnt add up….

Lechatichila vs. Bedi'eved - a Major Difference
January 3, 2014 4:03 am

All of this talk is ignoring something very important: There is a major difference of how you deal with an issue before or after. It is one thing to not recommend that people go — in the future — because of the serious questions about COTS and its origins. But when you are dealing with people that went already, we have to be much more careful about how we label it. It is easy to slap on the label AZ. But one must also take into account how this type of labeling affects those who went. L’moshol: if someone comes… Read more »

32 nd 33
January 3, 2014 2:21 am

u sound brainwashed

I dont know what to think! ;(
January 3, 2014 2:19 am

I havent given them my bank info, nor my credit cards, i have been practicing some of the practical lessons and insights i gained!

am i brainwashed??

im doing better with my chitas, have increased my ahavas yisroel! i finally started farbrenging for REAL!

so am i brainwashed?? if so… im not sure i want to be deprogrammed! this brainwashing thing really got me good, i dont realize how sick i am! ;(

on a serious note. Guys grow up! chill out! and wait for the Rabbonim to complete a full and thorough first hand investigation! including mental health experts

Go Shea Hecht!
January 3, 2014 1:48 am

From Robin Garbose Practical and accessible. For people who are still confused because it felt so helpful– know that the secret to cults is that they mix in a dose of truth as bait to lure you in. Rabbi Hecht’s point– “How do you know… you are free of any effects of brainwashing? When you have feelings of resentment toward the cult, you know that you’ve reached the finish line.”– is incredibly important. That indignation, even outrage, is letting you know that your critical thinking has returned. People more deeply involved with the group will work to discredit Rabbi Hecht’s… Read more »

#23
January 3, 2014 1:39 am

I love it! Thank you Rabbi Hecht

#8 THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US (and some Rabbis) THE REBBE's APPROACH
January 3, 2014 1:35 am

VECHOKARTA VEDORASHTA HEITEIV!

We must seek (not to condemn, but) to Improve and Modify, whatever needs to be tweaked to satisfy all possible concerns!

Can we agree on this?
January 3, 2014 1:24 am

Can we suspend all judgments, articles, comments and wait for rabonim to speak first?
I heard from reliable sources that very respected and unbiased rabonim and professionals are still IN MIDDLE of investigating and researching…

Can we wait for Torah to say an opinion first?

Thank you!

I am CONFUSED
January 3, 2014 1:22 am

On Dec 16 COLLIVE posted a letter from R Shea Hecht (dated 28th of Tishrei, 5774) stating: I believe that the Call of the Shofar is a cult…. all of his sources for the material he teaches are from sources that are classified as cults or at least “avazrayu d’avoda zara.” On Dec 18 in an interview, R’ Shea Hecht “clarified” by “reiterating that it is a cult – albeit a ‘kosher’ one.” He was quoted: “Yes,” he said, “Call of the Shofar is a cult,” because they use certain signature cult tactics to manipulate and ‘take control of people’s… Read more »

Tanya Applied......
January 3, 2014 1:16 am

I fully agree with the Rabonim Mashpiim and Rabbi Hecht….. The question however is why do not those who specialize in Therapy and psychoanalysis sit with those who can apply what Tanya and Chassidus has to offer in developing a comprehensive course in dealing with these issues???

cheap punch
January 3, 2014 1:14 am

rabbi hecht, you took another swing at the issue from behind the security of a firewall…
why not openly debate COTS leaders and get clarity instead of basing your opinions on what people write on comments?

meeting to deprogram rebbees at O.T.
January 3, 2014 1:13 am

Tonight there was a meeting with dr Aron who stressed that unless the teachers are deprogrammed the students remain at risk. Please inform the public about the meeting.

no.18
January 3, 2014 1:13 am

what is called info and what is called opinions? r Aron provided us with info about cults and mind control- is that considered an opinion or does he know what he is talking about? when a dr. tells you you have brnchitis is that an opinion or info? you expect Hashem to talk to you to tell you if this is avoda zoro ? like who is called an opinion giver and who is called an info. giver, you don’t seem to want to listen to either. I believe it is the close minded who don’t want to accept any… Read more »

My AL"R (Asei Lcha Rav) told me to go
January 3, 2014 1:13 am

And (thus) for me it was a BOOST in my Yiddishkeit and Avodas Hashem

For those who went on their own “Deia”, you guys anyways need help, because you make important decisions not the way the Rebbe instructed his Chassidim to!!
How then do you expect Sayata Dishmaya in this or in any endeavor.

Thank you Rabbi Hecht!
January 3, 2014 1:07 am

I really feel, as others suggested, that in general there has to be a kosher alternative to cots. Who will recommend kosher therapists without any foreign influences for all those who need it? Can col be the forum in which people make suggestions. Can people make kosher suggestions on this thread?

I dont understand...
January 3, 2014 1:06 am

the detox is to get over the AZ? the teachings? Im not sure I want to go back to where I was before attending! Really… I agree that its not for everyone and that sources are questionable… but please help me, do I need to throw out the baby with the bathwater? is it all bad? I mean, the people you sent benefited (I am one of them)… you said its like antibiotics for some. will the detox undo that? Sorry if I misunderstood. Please clarify here or on sunday night. (ps. if you dont post this comment at least… Read more »

wow!!
January 3, 2014 1:06 am

Kol Hakavod!!

The Call of the Pushka
January 3, 2014 1:04 am

This money wasting bothered my wife and I a lot, We decided to take action by spending $700 on Charity. Fighting darkness (selfishness) with light (giving).

$100 Chabad.org
$250 Hatzaolah
$250 Shomrim
and soon our sons Yeshiva will be having their annual Chinese auction, we will spend at least $300 there.

The above does not include our daily and other random Tzedakah.

These acts of Charity (giving) are very therapeutic and good for our well being. If you feel lost, try giving to others, there is no limit.

Go help shovel someone else snow for example.

question
January 3, 2014 1:02 am

you say
No one at the meeting spoke about any methodology used or about any specifics at all.

then you say you had that “cult feeling”

question:
why didnt you ask? why didn’t you speak up?

respectfully,
RNB

cannot believe this!!!!
January 3, 2014 12:59 am

You are still getting opposition????? there is an eirav rav between us, this is horrible. nebach, they have been so brainwashed they don’t see the truth! esp. no. 4= you don’t see the difference???? You refuse to believe that this is based on avoda zoro. and let us say it is a sofek- you still can’t let go on the grounds that this is a sofek avoda zoro???? like are most people in our community not normal???? this is what cots told you to think about – that you want todo only what is good for Hashem and what is… Read more »

Finally! Thank you Rabbi Hecht
January 3, 2014 12:59 am

No more putting words in your mouth.

COTS brainwashees have been misusing Rabbi Hecht’s quotes out of context claiming that Rabbi Hecht himself said that
“it’s a Kosher Cult”,
“It’s antibiotics for those who need it”,
“Not dangerous and even beneficial for some people”,
“He himself sent people there”,

I’m glad he clarifies his true feelings against COTS, and he was never a fan, and I’m sure Rabbi Heller was never either for

No more will they misquote Rabbi Hecht.

to 13
January 3, 2014 12:58 am

your hope will come true if those readers are open minded and if the writers are open with information and not just opinions. I’m afraid we lost on both accounts…

more info please
January 3, 2014 12:56 am

more than one commenter asked for details of what exactly is AZ so that someone can come up with a kosher workshop that attains the same benefits!

machlokes
January 3, 2014 12:50 am

Please remember that anyone who went had good intentions
The Beis hamikdosh was distroed because of sinad chinam not avoda Zara.

practical
January 3, 2014 12:48 am

practical indeed. i like the idea that one can deprogram easier if done voluntarily. this is a must read article
now what are we going to do with all those forthcoming comments telling you you don’t know what you are talking about. i sincerely hope i am wrong and that won’t happen

thank you Rabbi Hecht
January 3, 2014 12:48 am

You really brought some clarity to this issue. But what about those who are so completely nuts about shofar and brainwashed, who won’t even listen to the issues and dangers involved? Most people I spoke to who have gone, have in fact gone multiple times, its like they are addicted. And they are freaking out about not being able to go anymore. They will not listen to reason.

is it a problem?
January 3, 2014 12:48 am

If its a problem- all mechanchim who went belong out. If its not a problem why are we picking on two?

Avoda Zara is Avoda Zara is Avoda Zara. PERIOD.
January 3, 2014 12:45 am

Thank you Rabbi Hecht!!

Quote:
“Some of the **ORIGINS** of COTS [techniques have been used by those who serve, and therefore] are avoda zara mamash!”


Whoever claims that the Rebbe wanted us to use those techniques [used by Klipa originally] for Kedusha, is Mamesh making things up. The Rebbe would not want any of these meditation tools used for Kedusha, once they have been used by the bad for the bad.

I don't know if it's a 'cult' but..
January 3, 2014 12:40 am

The writer of this article wrote ‘No one at the meeting spoke about any methodology used or about any specifics’. Yup. There was a notice about a seminar for women at a local shul here in Crown Heights a few months ago, supposed to be about improving relationships. I attended- I did come late, but it seemed to me that it was little more than a sales pitch to attend Call of the Shofar programs and encourage husbands to do same, I felt like I had been ‘had’. He did made a good point about approaching stressful situations without bringing… Read more »

Very relatable
January 3, 2014 12:38 am

This is a well written, cohesive, and very well articulated article. I applaud you Rabbi Hecht for standing up for it in the beginning, and bringing a clearer, more understandable and practical solution to the end.

This was obviously written and spoken over with/through the right professionals as well a Mashpiah.

The one question I still have is (and if you read this please advise)
What/how does one tell someone who is still sold on the ideology of COTS and refuses to see that he needs help?

40 Days
January 3, 2014 12:36 am

“My father once received a hora’ah from the Rebbe that 40 days is a form of permanence.”

Don’t Shulchan Aruch say 30 days is a form of permanence (with regards to Mashiv Ha’ruach etc…)???

Why either or?
January 3, 2014 12:34 am

Can I not have attended COTS, feel good about it, remain devoted to Chabad, and move on? What makes you think I am now programmed?

please stop!
January 3, 2014 12:27 am

this is a letter from the Rebbe Rabbi B.H. 17 Adar Rishon 5744 Greeting: Brooklyn, N.Y. After reading your letter, my first reaction was to instruct my secretary not to answer it. But then I remembered the exhortation of our Sages of the Mishnah to judge everyone “in the scale of merit”; though, frankly, I have difficulty in finding this in your letter- perhaps because I am not accustomed to read letters of this kind of (pardon the vulgar expression) “name – calling.” What would you think of a person (even not a Rabbi Emeritus) who had “just read a… Read more »

Shea Hecht
January 3, 2014 12:20 am

Why did you say people should go to this program in your previous address, if you’re claiming they will need to be DEprogrammed? Don’t get that.

Sounds like this is a very grey issue, not black and white. Consequently, it’s probably the same reason why rabbi osdoba is taking time to figure out the program’s validity.

Finally another COTS article
January 3, 2014 12:16 am

I’m so happy there’s another COTS article. perfect for a snow day entertainment.

and.....
January 3, 2014 12:15 am

Now you need to replace COTS for a kosher therapudic method for dealing with issues for us members who are seeking self help.
Thank you!

How?
January 3, 2014 12:13 am

Thank you for your suggestions. The problem is that I cannot use these suggestions because that’s the same suggestions COTS gave me in order to keep calm under pressure.

Sunday
January 3, 2014 12:11 am

Can we watch live?

You are operating from a place of fear
January 2, 2014 11:53 pm

Given that the Torah forbids us to bear a grudge against a fellow Jew, cultivating resentment seems to be a particularly dangerous and assur practice to encourage between Yidden, especially since the Rebbe encouraged ahavas yisroel.

sad state of affairs
January 2, 2014 11:48 pm

you write that one colleague
researched COTS online, and also read all of the recent back and forth on COLlive.

Hello? You form your opinion from the web? How about talking to the founder and director?

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