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Electing the Wrong Rov for Life

Op-Ed: When I was in shidduchim, my parents told me to date until I knew I was making the right choice. Why is Rabbi Avrohom Rosenberg expecting us to elect a Rov For Life within 2 weeks and with no proper research? Full Story

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to # 6
September 5, 2010 3:38 pm

i think you need to take a chill!

TRUST IN G-D
September 2, 2010 11:46 pm

Do what is right and put your faith in Hashem.

the fact that
September 2, 2010 11:17 pm

the fact that so far 86 people have commented on this in such a short time, shows by popular vote, that this is very important to all of us. We are looking for options which will improve and reveal what we have to offer with good and proper Rabbinical support. Lets check into it more and do our best. And as someone said in another posting…..PLEASE, PLEASE, lets make things responsible and normal. No more inappropriate behavior, only responsible and normal behavior. PLEASE

PUT YOUR PERSONAL AGENDAS ASIDE
September 2, 2010 9:44 pm

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS= WE NEED PEACE!!!
FORM ALL THE 3 EVERY PERSON NEEDS TO THINK HONESTLY- WHICH ONE WILL BRING PEACE TO THE COMMUNITY?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
September 2, 2010 7:20 pm

no rov we have the rebbe

#65
September 2, 2010 5:43 pm

Unless you can prove it. dont state it. Stop repeating a big lie.

#35
September 2, 2010 4:54 pm

you probably heard it from-Bogomilsky

#13
September 2, 2010 4:41 pm

Which rov did the Rebbe call ?

the real issue is: mendy hendel or not mendy hendel.
September 2, 2010 4:15 pm

if braun gets in then mendy hendel will have a veto power in the beis din, halachic decisions will be politicised & schwei braun will not dare decide something against the will of the revered leader harav mendy hendel

tottaly agree
September 2, 2010 3:23 pm

I hope rabbi rosenberg sees this
please listen to the people!!!1

the issue now is not Bogomilsky or Braun
September 2, 2010 3:06 pm

the real issue is: mendy hendel or not mendy hendel.

letter to shluchim
September 2, 2010 2:38 pm

an unsinged letter?? a pashkvil

a letter to shluchim
September 2, 2010 2:37 pm

this letter was sent to Shluchim Dear Shliach, The letter below was drafted by several Shluchim to the residents of Crown Heights about Rabbi Bogomilsky. Please add your name by replying with your name, city and state. Thanks Dear residents of Crown Heights, The Rebbe’s Shechuna, It is no secret that this Sunday there will be elections for a new Rov. It is not our intention to mix-in, campaign, or even to tell you whom to vote for. We do however feel the responsibility to inform you of the character of the candidate we have come to know. The quiet… Read more »

to #3
September 2, 2010 2:14 pm

first you date and see how you like the person, then if all goes well marry them…

Ima Heer
September 2, 2010 2:08 pm

To: #62 Sure you’re confused. The lying opponents of Rabbi Yissi Braun have succeeded in intentionally creating confusion from a void. Although these opponents are very few. they have worked at lightning speed to repeat the several “big lies” that they have craftily formulated to confuse, many times over, in many forums, and using many false identities. All this to give people like you the impression that these “big lies” are believed by many and are true. They are neither. They are properly denounced and recognized for what they are, “big lie” propaganda, red herrings, and lies created to scare… Read more »

It doesn't matter who gets in
September 2, 2010 2:07 pm

There will NEVER be peace in Crown Heights. There willl still be the same problems as we see today. Get rid of Rabbis Osdoba & Schwei & start again.

You keep talking about old timers…how old do you think Rabbi O & Rabbi S are? 20’s? 40’s? 70’s? You already have to senior citizens, you think they’d listen to a young pup?

WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE & YOU LUNATICS JUST DON’T GET IT.

I went to Rav Broins shiur yesterday.
September 2, 2010 2:04 pm

He is my choice. Young dymanic and understand the needs of our generation.

Yossi
September 2, 2010 2:02 pm

Let’s boil it down to one single line –

What if we make the wrong choice? What then?

Bogomilsky is too old for this tough job
September 2, 2010 1:47 pm

#67 is right.

If we want to elect someone who is photogenic “a sheiner yid”, as a figure head we can “show off” (but is out of it) we should choose based on who has a longer beard or a whiter beard or a is better business man or better politician.

But if want to elect a real Rov who is a real Yerey Shomayim, the choice is clear.

Confused again
September 2, 2010 1:40 pm

Sorry. Forgot to categorize some items:

In Yiras Shomayim there are levels:

Yiras shomayim (for the benoni and downwrda.)

Yiras Cheyt.

Yiras HaOnesh.

And now, Fresh in Lubavitch yiddishkeit, Yiras HaRebbi.

Thank you Katzman for making the choice so easy for us
September 2, 2010 1:31 pm

I would like to thank Katzman and his team for making the desision, for whom to vote, so much easier. Sometimes things seem one way and are actually different and sometimes we are not sure which rumors to belive. Katzman has helped us sort it all out now, by the fact that he has demonstarted which candidate is too fearfull to show is face at the candidate forum tonight and which candidate is not afraid to FACE THE MUSIC, because they have nothing to hide and nothing to be ashemed of. Thank you Katzman for making the choice so easy… Read more »

Well put....
September 2, 2010 1:29 pm

I know R.Bogomilsky and that is precisely the reason I won’t/can’t vote for him. Yet, the other too are totally unknown to me. So a trial period makes sense. I’d even consider Bogo in a trial period setting, say 2 or 3 years.

Confused
September 2, 2010 1:09 pm

What are we voting for? A Rov for the community? A Dayan (judge) to sit on a three-party bench? A Chabad Rabbi for Chabad of Eastern Parkway? A political professional who can stitch together a workable coalition for community self-government? A puppet ruler (nominal sovereign controlled by a non-elected power)? A figurehead who will look good in BP, Wbg, and Fltb? A scholar who can find marei mekomos for a vast number of cases? A similar scholar, who hasn’t the faintest idea how to apply this store of information to real life? Someone who presents as a yerei shomayim? Someone… Read more »

to #52
September 2, 2010 1:06 pm

Maybe you haven’t realized that things are a bit different today and the Rebbe would be ashamed to see what’s going on in this community. You can’t play by the same rules when you’re playing a new game.

Yisroel
September 2, 2010 12:30 pm

Bogomilsky is very photogenic and looks like a very nice person in the pictures…

But he can’t be trusted as Rov after he put Rabbi Marlow in to Cherem.

Dave
September 2, 2010 12:10 pm

Yossi, your article here disgusts me. You want a “trial period” so that the rov will have to be down on his knees before you, but then you write a rambling, nonsensical letter explaining how “degrading” it is for a rov to be introduced to the community at a public event (read: not a debate, but a forum)?

Shame on you!

Yossi - How long did you date before you got engaged?
September 2, 2010 11:40 am

Perhaps you should’ve done it the secular way. Get to know your wife a little better, move in, and a couple of years later if everything worked out you can then get married. After that if you had an argument or two you can trade her in for another.

Yes. I agree, lets do the same with our Rabbonim – NOT.

CH has enough commitment phobia as it is. Coming in now and trying to undermine the great work of Rabbi Rosenberg is despicable.

Confused
September 2, 2010 11:29 am

If R.Braun is such a Baal Achdus and it is so obvious, why does there have to be so many announcements and postings that he is not a baal machloikes …. does there have to be announcements saying he eats kosher or he doesn’t beat his wife? Obviously not because he does neither. if it was so obvious R.Braun was not involved they wouldn’t have to say it again and again, and again….. It reminds of the saying “me thinks he protesteth too much” …..If he achieved achdus why is the Sidney community still split

Makes No Sense
September 2, 2010 10:43 am

Electing a rav on a trial basis is just as absurd as entering into a trial marriage. By what standards will you judge his performance after the time period is up? It’s just going to be the same thing all over again. Whichever side is pleased will vote pro, and the converse. So let’s just do it and get it over with. Granted that people carry baggage, granted that two of the candidates are unknowns. granted that time is short, granted that each candidate is backed by people with agendas., The a reason why we find ourselves in this situation.… Read more »

AN OUTSIDERS POINT OF VIEW
September 2, 2010 10:20 am

Firstly, I want to say from the beginning that I am writing from the point of view of someone not involved with the Crown Heights community. I think there is a basic error in the whole appointment process. I am not sure if I understand the situation correctly, but I get the impression the the new rov will be appointed by a general election of the Crown Heights community. This seems to be a big mistake in my opinion. Is a judge appointed by an election .NO!!!! He or she must prove themselves worthy of the position and then they… Read more »

trial
September 2, 2010 10:16 am

I believe I heard the Rebbe say that it is a life term. And that is the reason we need an election, as no one is always happy after a din orah. Someone may want to come and put down the rov. So the rebbe says No you voted for him!

Agree with #3
September 2, 2010 10:14 am

for a Rov to be on trial means that he must try to please the shchuna, at least the rabble rousers in the community. Rather than doing what is right and emes, it becomes a popularity contest. It means that instead of leading, the Rov is a puppet for the community.

Sometimes a Rov needs to take an unpopular position! That is true leadership!

Rov
September 2, 2010 10:08 am

No rov , if he is a real, good, authentic, serious down to earth Rov, is going to please everyone everytime he has to take a stand and make a decision on a particular matter. In dinei Torah where he has to paskan one way/side or the other he’s bound to upset someone almost all of the time.
I read Rabbi Bogomilsky did this or did that etc. etc. HE’S A ROV, G-d ALMIGHTY! You gottat do what you gotta do even if it will at times or even most of the time upset or anger someone. THAT’S LIFE!

Chasidishe Rav
September 2, 2010 10:08 am

we need a Rav who is a Yerei Shmayim, A Chasidisher Rav.
Vote Rav Yosef Braun!

long time Shchuna Resident
September 2, 2010 10:07 am

It is very very wrong to vote for rabanim that no one knows who do not live in the shchuna it’s A busha and A charpa

one of those commentators
September 2, 2010 9:53 am

I usually find myself having something to add or argue with the author but I find this article to be very well written, thought out and to the point. good going

Yesh Li Rav
September 2, 2010 9:48 am

If Bogomilsky really wanted sholom he would first ask Rabbi Schwei tor consent.. not to go to Rabbi Shwei after he was already approved by the other side…. and say I was already approved, now what do you say. It was a political scheme from Rabbi B to fool the people to think that he has the approval of both sides.

Dear Yossi
September 2, 2010 9:28 am

Maybe you should pack your bags and leave the USA since we do appoint judges in teh Supreme court for LIFE. A rov could be compared to that of ajudge and not to a president as you try to compare. and indid our politicians in the community do have term limits. Your idea lacks majorly and shows of your complete lack of forsight and wisdome. A trial period goes against everything arov in the Judaism stands for. A rov needs to do what is EMES and not worry about people ousting him due to his actions. If the Rebbe thought… Read more »

Agree with #33
September 2, 2010 8:47 am

Anyone old timer who actually knows Rabbi Bogomilsky is shocked that people want him as their Rov.

He was always known as completely unprincipled and self serving. No feeling for Lubavitch or the Rebbe, just a talented capable opportunist, Baal Gavah, with enhancing his own pocket and ego his focus in his daily actions or his rulings in a Din Toiroh.

Rebbe
September 2, 2010 8:41 am

The Rebbe send all his shaylos to ask specificly Rabbi Marlow.
People don’t forget the big and forever machlokes he made with Rabbi Tenenbaum the Rebbes baal tokea in Ocean Parkway!!!! He was always involved in every machlokes here!

Don't let the satan be the winner
September 2, 2010 8:37 am

Once again we can feel the sinas chinam here. The only winner is the satan. He is enjoying every single comment that is made. He is dancing on the streets and happy as can be. He has his work all cut out, we are helping him more then he ever amagined. lets fight the satan and have Ahavas Yisrael. That is forsure what the Rebbe wanted. Let each person vote for who he feels will better the schuna. why share your frustrations with us all. May we have the zechus this year of spreading love for one another and chase… Read more »

Tenure
September 2, 2010 7:59 am

There is a reason why proffesor’s get tenure.
Vdai Lamavin.

spilled milk
September 2, 2010 7:45 am

many are right The Rebbe said The Rabbonim should Davka be elected & for a life time.We’ve had months to think about this months went by & no one stepped up to the plate from the Shchuna.Zirkind Garelik, Heller want no part of the politics the headaches etc.Being A Rav is a challenging position with loads of pressure responsibility! The fact that there are none from our own Shecuna is a major embarrassment. The fact that two candidates emerged from outside The shechuna is very telling.The biggest Mistake was electing Schwei. No opposition no backbone no choice etc.unfortunately the Beis… Read more »

From a Baal Teshuva
September 2, 2010 5:31 am

A friend came over to me trying to explain that I can’t vote for Rabbi Bogomilsky because 15 years ago he fought the Beis Din. I gave it some thought, and then it occurred to me: Am I really a Baal Teshuva, or is there such a thing as a Baal Teshuva at all? Am I still considered a Chazer Fresser since 45 years ago I really had some ham and cheese sandwich? If Rav Osdoba endorses him and he agrees to become part of the Beis Din, do we have an obligation to prevent them from making up for… Read more »

Two old clowns?
September 2, 2010 5:18 am

Can a man who called the two elder Rabbonim of our Beis Din “two old clowns” join them as an equal member in the same Beis Din? Just asking.

rabbi bogomilsky
September 2, 2010 4:06 am

stop kevetshing slready. we know very well that rabbi bogomilsky has an exelent relationship with both. so here the issue. DO YOU WANT PEACE OR YOU HAVE YOUE OWN AGENDE? if you want some one who can make a unified bais din vote for bogomilsky if you want someone who is going to be radical and has no idea how to bring about a bis din but will make you happy in other ways vote broin. but plz stop the kevetshing

Ima Heer
September 2, 2010 3:49 am

#21 Well said. Everyone must do his best to make an intelligent decision. If time is short, make up for it with effort. All three candidates, and their literature, are available (don’t believe anything A’s supporters are saying about B and vice versa. Let A and B each speak for themselves. Ditto for C.)

Make the best decision you can and let H” fill the keli with a brocha. Amen Selah.

Stating the Obvious
September 2, 2010 3:24 am

The writer has an UNASSAILABLE point. It makes no difference whom you support, and whom you don’t – one thing is clear. All three candidates are of questionable repute.

Let me repeat that again:
All three candidates are of questionable repute. Any objective person would concede that point.

And just in case you still haven’t gotten it: ALL THREE CANDIDATES ARE OF QUESTIONABLE REPUTE.

With such circumstances the author’s suggestion is the only logical one.

100% agree
September 2, 2010 2:44 am

I think the author articulated an important point for the community to consider. Who makes such important decisions so fast? It’s about time someone came up with a good idea that will benefit the community.

Thank you for voicing your opinion!

Why vote?
September 2, 2010 2:25 am

Why vote? So that Rozenberg can come in a week and declate the elections invalid? Because we need 3 Rabonim in a bes din? Who in his right mind thinks that R’ Osdoba & Shwei will sit together on a din torah? And even if they would be ready to do that, why would a baal din want both of them together. He would not trust one of the two. Because the Rebbe said to vote? That same Rebbe who told us to vote the last 5 elections? According to Rabbi Rozenberg and friends those elections weren’t valid. So the… Read more »

Bogomilsky should head a Moshav Zkenim
September 2, 2010 2:03 am

I would vote in Bogomilsky to head the Moshav Zkenim – the Old Age Home or maybe to teach the old-timers in Tiferes Zkenim Levi Yitchok. or to be the Mashpiah of “The Rebbe’s Room” or anywhere else where only outdated, old timers hang out.

We need a Rob like Horav Braun Shelita who is a WITH-IT Rav and Genius GAON in Halacha at the same time.

We Need a YOUNG new Rav
September 2, 2010 2:01 am

The problem with the old-timers is they can’t relate to the new generation which is why we are loosing our youth.

My Vote:

I Vote for a Young Energetic genius in halacha Horav Braun Shelita as the new Mara Deasra of C.H.

that rebbe said this, the rebbe said that
September 2, 2010 1:46 am

to all those invoking what the rebbe said or wanted about the rov being a lifetime position:

the rebbe also wanted there should achdus and the torah does not want rabbonim to make a fool of themselves and should not be involved in spreading lashon hora and rechilus as both osdoba and schwei have been doing in the last few years

i say – lets vote on osdoba and schwei!!!

Naparstak
September 2, 2010 1:46 am

Anyone remember the Naparstak saga in California? whre Rabbi Bogomilsky was involved in the very “shady” (almost everyone agreed at the time) psak din?

number 13 is right
September 2, 2010 1:37 am

I heard from someone that was there that The Rebbe asked a few esoteric questions on hilchos Aveleis the 22nd of Shvat 5748. The person told me that Rabbi Bogomilsky knew exactly what to answer with sources.

Yes, we know Bogomilsky very well - Here is WHAT we know:
September 2, 2010 1:21 am

I agree with all comments here, that we all know Bogomilsky. Here is what we know: 1) Bogomilsky was on the team who was fighting the Beis Din from it’s onset, on the same team as Fisher and Yudel and Averell who apposed the Beis Din in it’s entirety, against the direct directives of the Rebbe directives at every Farbrengen. 2) When the Bies Din was first established the Rebbe spoke about it week after week after week to stop the machlokes Against the Beis Din. Those who FOUGHT THE REBBE continued to fight the Badatz of CH in direct… Read more »

Half Full Mendel
September 2, 2010 12:41 am

The article should be called “Electing the Right Rov for
Life”

Push of elections
September 2, 2010 12:35 am

The problem isn’t only the lifetime position, that i would say must be a lifetime position, those were the Rebbe’s wishes, both in Rabonim of crown heights, and the chief rabbi’s in Eretz Yisroel. You cannot realy accept one’s ‘Morus’ if you know he will anyway change soon. The other issue is that the candidacy of Rabbi’s Broin and Chaviv were thrown at us the last minute, and it is virtually impossible to do enough research on ether one before the elections. Therefore i think that due to the the fact that for a unforseen reason, two rabonim were brought… Read more »

Bogomilsky vs. Braun - pros and cons
September 2, 2010 12:31 am

Bogomilsky
Pros: knows what he’s doing, is respected by the two rabbis, and can get the job done.

Cons: not that great with English, not that great on video, old generation.

Braun
Pros: Seems like a very sweet and knowledgable guy, young, with it, answers emails, will relate well with young people, will be pro-active.

Cons: young, won’t have the clout with the two warring sides to bring peace.

My Vote
Bogomilsky for Rov, Braun for Mashpia.

chaim dovber
September 2, 2010 12:22 am

yes braun is without a doubt under the mendel hendel influence
a vote for braun is a vote for the hendel mafia

Thank you very much COL
September 2, 2010 12:21 am

Now we have more room to write Comments about the election of the Rabbonim
The other article already has Too much Comments

if i know braun
September 1, 2010 11:55 pm

if i know braun he has nothing to hide and is confident in his ability to be rov …. he will accept 3 years trial. he is so sure that he will do a good job he would be happy to agree to it.

Nice idea, but unlawful
September 1, 2010 11:41 pm

I believe the Rebbe endorsed the thinking that a Rabbinic position is one that is forever.

Wanna Bet
September 1, 2010 11:36 pm

# 14 said, “… they both have endorsed Rabbi Bogomilky (sic.) I think that should speck volumes to us all.” Rabbi Bogomilsky’s supporters have and are perpetuating the LIE that Rabbi Schwei has endorsed Rabbi Bogomilsky. He has not. Go ask Rabbi Schwei yourself. Yet Rabbi Bogomilsky is content to allow himself to receive the benefit of these wrongful statements. What other wrongful benefits will Rabbi Bogomilsky be willing to continue to receive if elected as the third Rov? The apple does not fall far from the tree. If these lying supporters are favoring Rabbi Bogomilsky, without him even attempting… Read more »

Rov or politician
September 1, 2010 11:32 pm

Do we need to have a Rov who will be worried about his job if he makes tough desicions and doesn’t please the people? We’ve had months to look for and get to know candidates. If we truly cared we would have demanded more time between the final candidate deadline and the election from the outset. Or we would have demanded from the candidates a proper forum where we can get to see who they are as soon as they became candidates, But in Crown Heights everything runs around politics anyway so all of the time in the world won’t… Read more »

Isint this what the Rebbe wanted?
September 1, 2010 11:27 pm

Didint the Rebbe say that it should be for life?
Please verify, if so, then that is what we MUST do!

Recall election?!
September 1, 2010 11:22 pm

Many municipalities have it, we should too. If we realize after time that we made a mistake, we should be able to fix it. You shouldn’t have to live by a mistake if it can be fixed.

Ima Heer
September 1, 2010 11:17 pm

Trial period? Put Osdoba on trial for stealing the Vaad Ha’Kashrus from the community for all these years!! Vote Yosef Yeshaya Braun.

who will best serve US?
September 1, 2010 11:14 pm

Why are we so focused on bringing Rabbi Osdobo and Rabbi Shwey together? I think we need to elect a 3rd rov who is good for the community. And AUTOMATICLY it will begin to cool down the Machlokes. Now – until the Psak of Rabbi Rosenberg banning both rabbonim from issuing Piskey Dinim on their own, when one “askan” apporoched 1 of the Rabbonim, pressured him for a few hours etc. he imidiatly got a signed letter from the “bais din” to push his agenda, and the same for the other side. With this arrangement, wars break out in a… Read more »

The future of our community
September 1, 2010 10:58 pm

Rabbi Bogomilky is a well know Rov both in the CH community as well as amount other Rabbonim in the larger Yisddsh community, he is a well respected Dayin and Rov. We know that he has worked with both current Rabbonim for the past few years and they have both said very respectful things about him as well as both current Rabbonim endorsed Rabbi Bogomilky. Based on the above, we can say that he has the best chance in brining the 2 current Rabbonim together, creating a whole functional Bais Dan and restoring the proper Koved to the CH Bias… Read more »

Life time position
September 1, 2010 10:55 pm

The Writer of this op-ed is only asking for a trial period so that there can be more politics. to even ask Rabbi Bogomilsky is an insult to him and the community. The truth is that a Rov is not a political position In todays day and age where everyone and their grandmothers read some seforim and believe they know the halacha and then will argue with a lifetime rov!! How can you please such people?? A true rov cannot pasken based on what the voters will think. If your position was elect a rov for four years etc I… Read more »

We need space
September 1, 2010 10:46 pm

The elections are the work of the workers around the rabbonim , they stink on both sides with agendas of hate and slander , the community needs a rest , give us some time to heal ! NO BRAUN , NO BOGOMILSKY , NO CHAVIV I am living here almost 60 yrs , why are we being tortured by unenployed failures of society Get out of our life , including the failing Kollel boys , Tznius is on their heads , stop looking at other women , you supposed to be Dugmah Chai of the Rebbes kollel yungerleit , cant… Read more »

Inda Know
September 1, 2010 10:44 pm

Cry babies. You think you’re going to lose (and probably are) so throw over the board. Steal all the checkers. Sorry. Not this time. We’re tired of your lies (which aren’t working). Go to Gaza, with your “rabbonim”!

Nice picture. Tell somebody to wake Rabbi Osdoba up!

SIGN! SIGN! SIGN!
September 1, 2010 10:36 pm

Sign the petition! Its our only hope

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ch-rov/

to # 8
September 1, 2010 10:36 pm

as someone who never thought the siruv years ago against the beth din was valid. I would not criticize rabbi Bogomilsky or Rabbi Yoel Kahn for going to rabanim about a seemingly outrageous psak of badatz. Because that is a legitimate thing to do al pi torah. However i would condemn many people in rabbi Shwei’s camp for waging a personal vicious war against Rabbi Osdoba

A life time position
September 1, 2010 10:34 pm

The fact is that in recent years Rabbi Bogomilky worked very well with both Rabbi Osdoba and Rabbi Schwei. Both current Rabbonim say that they have worked with Rabbi Bogomilky very well and they have both endorsed Rabbi Bogomilky. I think that should speck volumes to us all. That should also tell us that Rabbi Bogomilky has that best chance in bringing both Rabonim together and have a full functional Bais Din. We should not elect for a life time position young people who we don’t know, and have no good evidence based on experience, how it will work out… Read more »

To #8
September 1, 2010 10:21 pm

Unless you can realy state pure proof of what you are insinuating then please dont continue to spread a lie which you probably dont even know the truth about any of what you are saying. Being in disagreement with a beis din that is defunct becausre of thewir fighting and lack of rabonim does not mean fighting with them. Additionally Rabbi Bogomilsky was and is allowed to disagree with anything especially if its a question in Halacha. After all he is a toien and a Dayan. Lastly We want a Rov who will be his own man. The fact that… Read more »

Very well said
September 1, 2010 10:15 pm

The same was done with the Merkos case. The rabbonim gave them a trial period to prove themselves

I feel like rabbi rosenberg and the other rabbonim from israel who set the rules are not familier enough with c.h. Life and politics

I hope they rethink their position

#5 You missed the Point
September 1, 2010 10:08 pm

#5: We were and are very excited about the change happening. Long Overdue

But how were we meant to know that the Rabbonim running would be outside of the community. Young people which have been below our radar until two weeks ago.

The author is zooming onto a focal point: Why rush? Either have a trial period or get Rabbonim which we all know who and what they are.

To think that we should have forseen all the possible outcomes is ludicrous. Stop running around the bush. If you think the author is wrong: speak straight to the point

Rabbonim
September 1, 2010 10:07 pm

To elect Rabbi Braun would be an insult for the Rabbonim 30 years older, would be bad for him as salary would not be stable and would be bad for community as he would not be able to function as full time Rov of a large community with large family that needs attention. Rabbi Bogominsky is not dependant on a salary, has vast experience including from Rav Dvorken and has the time to deal with issues in this community. Rabbi Bogominsky is the person to put an end to the civil war in Crown Heights. A. Gilman

Aaron
September 1, 2010 10:07 pm

BS:D Rabbi Braun is a good guy, the only thing wrong with him is that his banner appears on Hendels web cite which gives the worrisome inference that he is controlled by the Hendel / Sandhouse / Herzog troiqa .No one else is allowed on that web cite. look at the Vaad elections

Rabbi Bogomilsky
September 1, 2010 9:54 pm

commentros keep on stating that we know Rabbi Bogomilky, well then if you truly know his history with THIS beis din, you would know that exactly this history is what makes him unsiutable for the posstion.

according to the by-laws of the comunity, Rabbi Bogomilsky wouldnt qualify to run for Vaad Hakohol (it clearly states that one who faght against the bais din is unqualified – and for good reason.)

That is exactly the point
September 1, 2010 9:45 pm

That is exactly the point – You most elect a Rov based on true and hard knowledge of a person’s record, without rumors and hearing from third person. I think between the 3 candidates most of us know Rabbi Moshe Bogomilsky based on him being a part of the CH community for years. His expertise and experience are well known; therefore you can know what his direction would be once in the Bais Din. The other 2 candidates are younger without much experience, (like Barack Obama as you write), all information we are getting about them is rumors and third… Read more »

I don't get you
September 1, 2010 9:41 pm

Rabbi Rosenberg issues his psak months ago. It was clear and resolute. Everyone from all sides ran through the streets gushing over how brilliant it was. It took care of the issues, set a proper course for CH, and was accepted by all as the road to resolution. Now comes the regret. Well, actually it started in dribs and drabs with the Vaad Hakohol elections. But here come the complaints. I don’t understand you people. Were you not smart enough to foresee the circumstances of this election? Did you not think to petition Rabbi Rosenberg then about this obvious “problem”… Read more »

couldn't of said better myself
September 1, 2010 9:35 pm

said it all in the caption nothing more to say

Sign the Petition
September 1, 2010 9:28 pm

I just signed it but we need everyone to make it count

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ch-rov/signatures

Trial period?
September 1, 2010 9:25 pm

Maybe a trial period would be a great idea in marriage! I can see that – the first six months (or first six years) is a trial, then each spouse would try hard to please the other. But for a Rov to be on trial means that he must try to please the shchuna, at least the rabble rousers in the community. Rather than doing what is right and emes, it becomes a popularity contest. It means that instead of leading, the Rov is a puppet for the community. Sometimes a Rov needs to take an unpopular position! That is… Read more »

I Vote for This!
September 1, 2010 9:18 pm

Thanks COL. What a great viewpoint.

Whoever says no to this plan clearly has their own agenda. Whoever heard of blindly voting anyone without due diligence.

This isnt a political election. This is our Rov. And we need to do this right.

Spot on!
September 1, 2010 9:18 pm

I agree 100%.

Fair and very sensible, with absolutely no downside.

Rabbi Rosenberg, take note!

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