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Appointing A Rav Is No Game

Op-Ed: Appointing rabbonim for a community with little – or no – appreciation of what they stand for, is only placing a cat by the oven. Full Story

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to #10
July 22, 2010 10:44 pm

if what you are saying is such a good idea, why didn’t the Rebbe come up with this idea before the forst election? so we must say that you need a offical Body that have the autharity do administer shulchon oruch to all.

were missing kavod hatora
July 22, 2010 10:18 pm

einstein whas respected despite his chesronos.

if greatnes in torah was importent to us our rabonim would be respectid despite thayr chesronos.

unfortonetly torah is not what counts in our comunity.

and thats the problem…………l

A tempest in a teacup.
July 22, 2010 5:04 pm

But there are no tea leaves.
That leaves us without any tea – except for anonymiTY.
BTW: Wasn’t this Eliyahu HaNavi’s brocha to the community who treated him poorly? “You should grow and have many leaders.”

Ka’an tzivah Hashem ess HaBroch(a).

RonnieRendel.com
July 22, 2010 12:21 pm

B”H I think that the “challenge” in Crown Heights is not lack of leadership but quite the opposite – the Rebbe created a generation of ultra-capable leaders. The conflict becomes a result of everyone having an opinion and THE ABILITY to lead our community, and hence clashes with the next guy, all very well intended of course. So this is the challenge, in my opinion. The solution seems to be hinted in the last horaah we received so far from the Rebbe – Machatzis HaShekel. Each one of us needs to realize and live with the concept that we have… Read more »

North of the Border
July 22, 2010 11:53 am

Why do you need an official rav? Learn from Montreal.

Candidates
July 22, 2010 10:48 am

The idea is the Rabbonim should approve the candidacy in other words to establish that the candidates are suitable to be Rabbonim then the people will choose from those candidates that were approved by Rabbonim.

why dont you sign name??
July 22, 2010 10:40 am
Voyomer eisav, "yesh li Rav"
July 22, 2010 10:20 am

Sadly to say, people are not looking at the rav’s qualifications but are interested in only issue. Is the third rav an Osdaba man or is a supporter of Harav Schvei. An Osdaba supporter will never vote for Harav Schvei’s supporter no matter what qualifications he has. As you can see Osdaba is pushing Segal to run, as his will always decide 100% in his favor, and does not consider both sides of the dispute, and come to his own conclusion.

opinionless
July 22, 2010 9:54 am

sorry i’m a bala bos- no opinion coming from me 🙂

puzzled
July 22, 2010 9:45 am

you are funny no. 7. You don’t read it cuz there is no name yet why should anyone read your comment. What’s your name?

To 7 8 9
July 22, 2010 8:42 am

U didn’t put ur name!! 🙂

“Kol haposel bemumo posel” 🙂

Yasher Koach
July 22, 2010 7:53 am

Thanks for pointing the obvious. The first prerequisite of a Rov is simply that he knows shulchan aruch and knows torah she baal peh to be able to understand the shulchan Aruch. A Rov is not an entertainer. Even a Mashpia is not enough to be qualified as a rov. He has to a posseik benigleh detorah. And for a chassidisheh rov he has to be also a possek in pnimiyos hatorah. Cheshbonoh shel oilom is notgoing to substituted by anything else that is not a represenative of Halacha and a person who embodies halacha!

Great Farbraingin
July 22, 2010 2:54 am

It really opened my mind – Thank you Rabbi/Mr. D.

very well said!
July 22, 2010 1:45 am

7, 8, 9- the point is there, who cares if wrote name or not? beneath ur dignity to read if no name? ur missing the point! any op-ed does not need a name- it has nothing to do with the individual writing it that he needs to publicize his name and b harassed by the simpletons- its a reflection of what ppl believe in and this whole nonsense of demanding to know the author is quite silly.

What's your point?
July 22, 2010 12:56 am

Based on what you have wrote that Balabatim should not get involved, why can they vote in the elections?
Are you suggesting that only Talmidai Chachomim should be able to vote?

Our True Leaders???
July 22, 2010 12:20 am

Rightfully so, you write that the choice of the candidates not be left to some Yungatchik who touches his beard…
But like most op-eds, you are very good at letting us know what “needs to be done” with no suggestion as to how to go about it!
Who are these “True Leaders” you talk about that will choose the proper people to run?

Very instructive and CONSTRUCTIVE!
July 22, 2010 12:17 am

Thank you to the author for this. it is appreciated.

p.s. to #7 et al: why does he have to put his actual name?? This isn’t personally critical, nasty or attacking any individual!! It’s quite contructive and decent.

Thank you Collive.

Well said
July 21, 2010 11:20 pm

yashr cheylach

In the shadows.
July 21, 2010 11:14 pm

As children we learned very quickly that you don’t plant the vegetables in the shadow side of the house. Nothing grows well there.

Crown Heights lives in the shadow of the Rebbe. Did he want to hinder the growth?

Of course not. But the nay-sayers will always cast his shadow where they want to stifle growth.

Oy Rebbe.

Laaniyas Dayti
July 21, 2010 10:51 pm

A refreshing piece. The problem remains. How many qualified people are there in Crown Heights; who would agree to stand for an election and be subjected (by “factions”) to thorough searches in their garbage-cans, medical records and former teachers opinions… A vaad of Rabbonim cannot manufacture a Rov – the last time that was tried it ended up with a golem. IMHO, laaniyas dayti, the only way leadership can/will evolve in Lubavitch SheBeLubavitch -Crown Heights- is if serious chassidim choose themselves a Rov in earnest, a mashpiya to be cherished, without preconditions. A few may emerge, Even create some “factionalism… Read more »

Thank you! So well said!
July 21, 2010 10:51 pm
Finally Someone get's it right!
July 21, 2010 10:46 pm

To 7 8, 9 There is a name read it again! This is a great very well written article to the point. The one’s who are complaining are probably part of the problem.The Rebbe’s words are clear Don’t like it? move out of Ch & appoint yourself as the new leader of wherever you land!

esther
July 21, 2010 10:33 pm

exactly! so many seem to think they know better then everyone else.this yeshus and corresponding lack of kabalos ohl seems to me to be the root of our problems. what to do about it?

Who said this?
July 21, 2010 10:27 pm

“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”

“The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.”

May we add: What difference does it make in which vehicle the truth is conveyed?

To #7
July 21, 2010 10:22 pm

You have reinforced my feeling that any curriculum should be teaching critical thinking.
Then it matters not who says, what says. The logical steps of critical thinking will distill whatever is positive in whoever whatever said.
LeChayim. Go grow. Do not be afraid to listen – even to the wind and the waves. (Mikolos mayim rabim adirim… Adir bamarom Hashem…)

Simple Question
July 21, 2010 10:20 pm

Why do we need to have elected Rabonim, why can’t everybody have their own ‘Asay Lecho Rav’ and whenever two people have an issue they can make a ‘Zabla’.
And the community can pay for Rabonim to answer Shaylos, don’t you think that would save us a lot of unnecessary fighting?

TO #7
July 21, 2010 10:12 pm

Me too

No name is gossip
July 21, 2010 10:01 pm

Crown heights number one problem hiding behind ur name!! If u want to be heared don’t hide!

will not read without a name
July 21, 2010 9:28 pm

I scrolled to the end of the article and did not see a name – I will not be reading it

THESE WORDS SHOULD BE READED BY ALL OF US
July 21, 2010 9:16 pm

Thank you for expressing sincere, thoughtful, and true words.
I personally will take them to heart and will share them with my friends.

I hope everyone who reads this piece will do likewise.

Dr. Levi A. Reiter

Two points
July 21, 2010 9:16 pm

wonderful article! you gave us something to think about

president st
July 21, 2010 9:13 pm

I happened to like the photo more than the oped

WELL SAID
July 21, 2010 9:02 pm

U hit the hammer on the nail ! straight to the point!

well put!
July 21, 2010 8:47 pm
Food for Thought
July 21, 2010 8:38 pm

Thanks for posting

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